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@sns8778 I just want to thank you for being so active and providing lots of great info. Asking this group what they would like to see is something you dont often see and I think I can speak for all of us, we appreciate it. I for one will be buying plenty of SNS products as a result.
Thank you. I appreciate that. I enjoy interacting and I love hearing and throwing around thoughts and ideas. And I appreciate kind posts like this, they mean a lot to me.
 

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Paradoxine question - A few people were talking about the dosage that they would like to see but I'm curious the type of standardization - there is of course the non standardized which we aren't interested in but there versions I've seen with 12.5% Paradols and then a version with 10% aframols (which generally contains 7-9% Paradols, 2%+ Shogaols, and other aframols.

Any preferances?
There are a couple different standardizations available even within branded Paradoxine. And no disrespect meant to any companies using AfraLean, but as someone who has tried dealing with that supplier before - I encourage them to independently test what they get for active content; not going to say anymore past that out of respect for others using it.
I would love a well-dosed solo product with any standardization. Last solo one that came out recently had a ~30 mg dose and $30 price. Would love to be able to run 150-250 mg at a reasonable price. I see this dose as part of some extreme formulas- OG Olympus Ignite and WG Thermo 7, but I don’t always want their full formulas.
 

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Paradoxine question - A few people were talking about the dosage that they would like to see but I'm curious the type of standardization - there is of course the non standardized which we aren't interested in but there versions I've seen with 12.5% Paradols and then a version with 10% aframols (which generally contains 7-9% Paradols, 2%+ Shogaols, and other aframols.

Any preferances?
There are a couple different standardizations available even within branded Paradoxine. And no disrespect meant to any companies using AfraLean, but as someone who has tried dealing with that supplier before - I encourage them to independently test what they get for active content; not going to say anymore past that out of respect for others using it.
I would love a well-dosed solo product with any standardization. Last solo one that came out recently had a ~30 mg dose and $30 price. Would love to be able to run 150-250 mg at a reasonable price. I see this dose as part of some extreme formulas- OG Olympus Ignite and WG Thermo 7, but I don’t always want their full formulas.
 

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Unrelated to paradoxine, have you considered offering a Kanna product? It’s generally growing in popularity, both with the fitness crowd, and part of the CBD/ Kratom crowd.

I see it in various products but it’s not always standardized! Or if so, it’s not disclosed for what! I see extracts available too, but with the same problem. No way to even begin to assess the contents of your dose.

Feel like you could get a quality source that rivals KannaEase or Zembrin
 

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Unrelated to paradoxine, have you considered offering a Kanna product? It’s generally growing in popularity, both with the fitness crowd, and part of the CBD/ Kratom crowd.

I see it in various products but it’s not always standardized! Or if so, it’s not disclosed for what! I see extracts available too, but with the same problem. No way to even begin to assess the contents of your dose.

Feel like you could get a quality source that rivals KannaEase or Zembrin
 
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Unrelated to paradoxine, have you considered offering a Kanna product? It’s generally growing in popularity, both with the fitness crowd, and part of the CBD/ Kratom crowd.

I see it in various products but it’s not always standardized! Or if so, it’s not disclosed for what! I see extracts available too, but with the same problem. No way to even begin to assess the contents of your dose.

Feel like you could get a quality source that rivals KannaEase or Zembrin
Pretty sure SNS hinted at this as a possibility (maybe it was in this thread?).

“It will not have Kanna in it because some people on the general public have a negative perception of Kanna. Don't worry though, if you want to add Kanna to it or a good source to use Kanna on its own, you might just happen to have one soon ;)

From stress supplement thread..
 
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Unrelated to paradoxine, have you considered offering a Kanna product? It’s generally growing in popularity, both with the fitness crowd, and part of the CBD/ Kratom crowd.

I see it in various products but it’s not always standardized! Or if so, it’s not disclosed for what! I see extracts available too, but with the same problem. No way to even begin to assess the contents of your dose.

Feel like you could get a quality source that rivals KannaEase or Zembrin
I like KannaEase and Zembrin both and hinted around earlier in the thread (or it may have been another thread) that we may be making one :)

I appreciate the suggestion. On the Paradoxine part - what would be your ideal dosage per mg in your opinion?
 

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I like KannaEase and Zembrin both and hinted around earlier in the thread (or it may have been another thread) that we may be making one :)

I appreciate the suggestion. On the Paradoxine part - what would be your ideal dosage per mg in your opinion?
Have you tried the TriStill extract? The reviews on various forums seem to be very good and most like it more than zembrin for depression/anxiety. Hint, hint... :)
 
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Have you tried the TriStill extract? The reviews on various forums seem to be very good and most like it more than zembrin for depression/anxiety. Hint, hint... :)
I have not tried that one. I've read about it but I haven't seen it offered by any companies I'm familiar with and wasn't sure if there's anything to it as far as it being an actual branded version versus just someone putting a TM on it.

I've tried both Zembrin and KannaEase.
 

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I have not tried that one. I've read about it but I haven't seen it offered by any companies I'm familiar with and wasn't sure if there's anything to it as far as it being an actual branded version versus just someone putting a TM on it.

I've tried both Zembrin and KannaEase.
I've never tried KannaEase but did find that Zembrin was way too stimulating for me. Reviews indicate TriStill is more calming than Zembrin, which is why I'd love to see a more reliable source (you) for the product. Definitely going to keep an eye out for your future kanna product though.
 
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I've never tried KannaEase but did find that Zembrin was way too stimulating for me. Reviews indicate TriStill is more calming than Zembrin, which is why I'd love to see a more reliable source (you) for the product. Definitely going to keep an eye out for your future kanna product though.
From quick reading up, it looks like TriStill is more of a brand with just a tm, like if you named a Kanna extract JarrerlKannaPlex(TM). That's just at a glance though. I will try to look more into it over the weekend. If you've seen more on it, pm me please. I'm open to looking into it.

Zembrin wasn't stimulating for me at all; I found it relaxing but found I needed a higher dose that the the company will allow for as part of their licensing agreement. They suggest 25 mg. and it took 50 mg. for me to really get the full effect.
 
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a quality high stim product...choices for high stims are getting fewer and fewer, looks like OL is eliminating the black magic series.
 
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You are in luck they have one coming out, Thermagize XT.

No idea if it’ll be up to your standards but at least it’s something to look forward to. 🤷‍♂️
always open to try new stims. hopefully it will have some novel [potent] ingredients.
 
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So I finally got around to trying Robuvit and think it could be a cool addition to a formula.

I suddenly felt lkke I had more regular energy and didn’t need as much caffeine lately and think on top of the endurance it’s boosted that it’s the Robuvit (only major change last 4-6 weeks supplement wise).

I know you already have Primavie in M-Test (another single ingredient that I’d like), but I’ve thought a Shilajit/Robuvit combo would be a cool “energy booster” maybe some PQQ if you want to make it more expensive and fancy haha. 100mg/100mg/5mg ratio of each would be cool.
 

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Cocoalbuterol was brought up in another thread. I used a cocoalbuterol stand alone a few months ago and really liked it. Very clean , light stim feeling with some thermogenic heat. Almost like a combo of teacrine with a Thermo and nootropic feel. I would be totally down for this as a stand alone. 20-40 mg caps.
 

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I like KannaEase and Zembrin both and hinted around earlier in the thread (or it may have been another thread) that we may be making one :)

I appreciate the suggestion. On the Paradoxine part - what would be your ideal dosage per mg in your opinion?

100 mg caps would stand out, 40mg solo is also available on Amazon, but again, overpriced. If they were 100 mg I would take 1-3 depending on how it feels. Old school Olympus Ignite had a 240 mg dose and 3 caps or above (160 mg) gets noticeable heat feeling. RXS Radiate has about 80 mg per 2 caps also.
 
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KNO3 caps. Since iForce stopped making it, would be nice to have a standalone again.

Edit: I take it back, looks like they make it again.
 

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Would SNS consider using AstraGin as a potential absorption enhancer.. Better yet if you decide to use ActiGin as an ingredient perhaps combine it with AstraGin together.
 
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So I finally got around to trying Robuvit and think it could be a cool addition to a formula.

I suddenly felt lkke I had more regular energy and didn’t need as much caffeine lately and think on top of the endurance it’s boosted that it’s the Robuvit (only major change last 4-6 weeks supplement wise).

I know you already have Primavie in M-Test (another single ingredient that I’d like), but I’ve thought a Shilajit/Robuvit combo would be a cool “energy booster” maybe some PQQ if you want to make it more expensive and fancy haha. 100mg/100mg/5mg ratio of each would be cool.
Thanks for sharing the information on Robuvit. I will look into it and get pricing on it. It may be interesting as a single ingredient product or it may fit into one or more of our upcoming formulas.

PQQ I have looked into using in an upcoming formula but hadn't made a final decision on it yet.

Pycnogenol at 150mg/cap.

30-60 cap bottle.

Would be pricey, though
Do you really think the branded version is worth it on this one?

Cocoalbuterol was brought up in another thread. I used a cocoalbuterol stand alone a few months ago and really liked it. Very clean , light stim feeling with some thermogenic heat. Almost like a combo of teacrine with a Thermo and nootropic feel. I would be totally down for this as a stand alone. 20-40 mg caps.
I have never tried it as a single ingredient I don't think. I can look into pricing on it and see if it may make a good addition in some things. What dosage have you tried that you liked?

100 mg caps would stand out, 40mg solo is also available on Amazon, but again, overpriced. If they were 100 mg I would take 1-3 depending on how it feels. Old school Olympus Ignite had a 240 mg dose and 3 caps or above (160 mg) gets noticeable heat feeling. RXS Radiate has about 80 mg per 2 caps also.
With Paradoxine the feel comes down to the actives in my opinion. I'm thinking 80 mg. or 100 mg. capsules? Would like to get everyone's opinions. I really think that 80 mg. would be the better choice but that 100 mg. may be better from a visual appeal marketing standpoint.

Would SNS consider using AstraGin as a potential absorption enhancer.. Better yet if you decide to use ActiGin as an ingredient perhaps combine it with AstraGin together.
We will be using AstraGin in several upcoming SNS products. You may see ActiGin in an upcoming SNS product as well.
 
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KNO3 caps. Since iForce stopped making it, would be nice to have a standalone again.

Edit: I take it back, looks like they make it again.
Anything nitrate related, we would be totally respectful of the nitrate patents and I'm not sure that they would license them to us. Normally from what I've seen, the nitrates are typically licensed to companies with larger advertising budgets than we have. I would love to be able to offer them if we could.
 
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From quick reading up, it looks like TriStill is more of a brand with just a tm, like if you named a Kanna extract JarrerlKannaPlex(TM). That's just at a glance though. I will try to look more into it over the weekend. If you've seen more on it, pm me please. I'm open to looking into it.

Zembrin wasn't stimulating for me at all; I found it relaxing but found I needed a higher dose that the the company will allow for as part of their licensing agreement. They suggest 25 mg. and it took 50 mg. for me to really get the full effect.
big fan of kanna!!! I guess kannaease is trademarked, eh?
 

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The cocoalbuterol single ingredient product I tried was 20 mg a cap. I tried both 20mg and 40mg daily. I really liked it at 40. I think 20-30 would be a good place for a product start and could always go up higher depending on individual tolerance and what it’s stacked with etc. The product I tried is available at one of the major online retailers and is the only stand alone I’m aware of.

I would have tried 60 but the product I was using wasn’t cheap. I want to say I’ve seen it higher in some blends.
 
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big fan of kanna!!! I guess kannaease is trademarked, eh?
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The cocoalbuterol single ingredient product I tried was 20 mg a cap. I tried both 20mg and 40mg daily. I really liked it at 40. I think 20-30 would be a good place for a product start and could always go up higher depending on individual tolerance and what it’s stacked with etc. The product I tried is available at one of the major online retailers and is the only stand alone I’m aware of.

I would have tried 60 but the product I was using wasn’t cheap. I want to say I’ve seen it higher in some blends.
I've seen it higher as well. I've also seen it labeled different ways which is a bit confusing. I've seen it labeled as Theobromine, in which case 20 or 30 mg. is not a high dose. But then I've seen it labeled as the 20% N-Coumaroyldopamine (which I believe is the one you're referring to that you tried).

Would you consider putting out a multi strain probiotic? Maybe probiotics + digestive enzymes
If we had some input on exactly what people wanted. There are so many options for things like this.
 

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I've seen it higher as well. I've also seen it labeled different ways which is a bit confusing. I've seen it labeled as Theobromine, in which case 20 or 30 mg. is not a high dose. But then I've seen it labeled as the 20% N-Coumaroyldopamine (which I believe is the one you're referring to that you tried).



If we had some input on exactly what people wanted. There are so many options for things like this.
That is the one at tried. Didn’t realize they were different. I was very impressed with that product
 
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That is the one at tried. Didn’t realize they were different. I was very impressed with that product
Technically it shouldn't be different bc in theory Cocoabuterol is a branded ingredient. That's why I found it interesting that one company chose to label it that way when the others label it as either cocoa extract or as a form of Theobromine.
 

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Prostate health product may do well.

Saw Palmetto, Pygeum, Boron, Lycopene, more innovative ingredients, etc
 
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Prostate health product may do well.

Saw Palmetto, Pygeum, Boron, Lycopene, more innovative ingredients, etc
I'd been considering doing one of those. I would love to hear your or other peoples ingredient suggestions.

I was also considering a blood pressure support product.
 
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I'd been considering doing one of those. I would love to hear your or other peoples ingredient suggestions.

I was also considering a blood pressure support product.

I really like the idea of the prostate supplement. I’ve been wanting to add one in my daily routine.
 

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I'd been considering doing one of those. I would love to hear your or other peoples ingredient suggestions.

I was also considering a blood pressure support product.
Bp support would be a great idea. Only natural product I’ve ever had luck with is Carditone... but it kills my mood.

I’m assuming a product like this- would do very well.
 
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Bp support would be a great idea. Only natural product I’ve ever had luck with is Carditone... but it kills my mood.

I’m assuming a product like this- would do very well.
I had never heard of that one. I looked it up and no disrespect to the company intended, but I don't see how that product does anything.

In efforts of trying to get a conversation going on this, I'll throw out some ingredients that seem to be popular or well researched for blood pressure control:

Mega Natural BP
Amealpeptide
Hawthorn
Celery Seed
Magnesium

^^^ are just a few that I can think of right off the bat.
 

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I had never heard of that one. I looked it up and no disrespect to the company intended, but I don't see how that product does anything.

In efforts of trying to get a conversation going on this, I'll throw out some ingredients that seem to be popular or well researched for blood pressure control:

Mega Natural BP
Amealpeptide
Hawthorn
Celery Seed
Magnesium

^^^ are just a few that I can think of right off the bat.
Garlic. Cholesterol + BP support.

Pretty solid for cardiovascular health.
 
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Garlic. Cholesterol + BP support.

Pretty solid for cardiovascular health.
Good ingredient but many people won't take it because they don't want to taste or smell like garlic.
 

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I'd been considering doing one of those. I would love to hear your or other peoples ingredient suggestions.

I was also considering a blood pressure support product.
Graminex is another one worth looking into
 
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Graminex is another one worth looking into
Emailed them to inquire about pricing. Thanks for the info. I hadn't seen that one yet.
 
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I had never heard of that one. I looked it up and no disrespect to the company intended, but I don't see how that product does anything.

In efforts of trying to get a conversation going on this, I'll throw out some ingredients that seem to be popular or well researched for blood pressure control:

Mega Natural BP
Amealpeptide
Hawthorn
Celery Seed
Magnesium

^^^ are just a few that I can think of right off the bat.
I like...I refuse to take prescription meds for prostate, stuff like Flomax is poison and doesn't even do anything to reduce size of prostate.

i'm an older guy on trt, if you ever need a guinea pig for testing out prostate ingredients i'm your huckleberry.
 
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been trying to follow case of navy seal accused of killing isis prisoner...geez, the more I read the more confused I become.
 
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been trying to follow case of navy seal accused of killing isis prisoner...geez, the more I read the more confused I become.
That was totally random for this thread haha. But yes, that case is very confusing.
 
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sorry, I thought I posted this in a different thread. my apologies!!!
Ha. No problem. My brains been all over the place today anyway lol
 
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On top of asking for Prostate Health and Blood Pressure support product suggestions, another idea I'd like to throw out - would anyone be interested in a product for libido and improved performance? (non-spiked of course). I'm not talking about something like the spiked sex pills, I'm thinking more of something that could be used daily to help with libido and erection quality.
 
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Safed Musli aka Chlorophytum Borivilianum 50% saponins is amazing for libido
Thank you for the suggestion. We use a great dose of that in our Growth Factor XT product. Would be open to including it in something like that.

A few ingredients that come to mind:
Fadogia (libido)
VASO6 (erection quality)
Cnidium (w/ high osthole content) (Libido/Erection quality)
Tribulus (libido)
Maca (libido)
Horny Goat weed (libido)
Panax Ginseng (libido)
Eurycoma Longifolia (libido)
DHEA (Libido)
Enostim (Erection quality)
 

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