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madds87

madds87

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Ok Reps. Got a question for yah. I have bought all of yalls ph's i will have m. p. e. and h. Im so pumped about running these cycles through out this year (of coarse correctly). But while im waiting for the awsome package of goodies to arrive at my doorstep, I am trying to get diet plans and supplementation ready. Sooooo. I know i might be running ph's one at a time. But what about running hdrol near the end of each cycle. For example after running (m. p. or e.) for 3 weeks and for the last week run hdrol. Since hdrol doesnt aromatize into estrogen and works quickly. Im no chemist, but was just woundering if that would help with the post cycle therapy along with your (6-oxo, etc.). I know it has been recommended to just take one ph during the 4 week period. But my brains just a going. Plus i would like to run a log with these products and on some others. So what you all think?
 
i'm not a rep, but i'll chime in anyway, if you don't mind. any PH/PS experience before? Hdrol at the end of a cycle is a novice idea, it takes anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks just to kick in, and if you run it after something like, SD or PP it just won't have a prominent effect, because it's much more milder that the other two. it would be like eating top serloin for dinner, then having regular ground beef for desert
 
lennoxchi said:
i'm not a rep, but i'll chime in anyway, if you don't mind. any PH/PS experience before? Hdrol at the end of a cycle is a novice idea, it takes anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks just to kick in, and if you run it after something like, SD or PP it just won't have a prominent effect, because it's much more milder that the other two. it would be like eating top serloin for dinner, then having regular ground beef for desert
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Ok. Well i have ran quite a few ph's. Including methyl masterdrol, Holodrol 50, Mass cycle, Tren, Then some undergrade products. Novice huh? I guess i better watch out with the novice thinking. Dont wanna look like an idiot. Even if it is milder. The point of this idea is to get off of the cycle. To regulate hormone levels. But from what your saying i guess is that it wouldnt work?
Thank you for your opinion.

Well what i would like to do, Is to run a cycle that would benefit everyone. Not to just run a log on something that somone has already done. So any ideas would be fantastic.
 
lennoxchi said:
i'm not a rep, but i'll chime in anyway, if you don't mind. any PH/PS experience before? Hdrol at the end of a cycle is a novice idea, it takes anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks just to kick in, and if you run it after something like, SD or PP it just won't have a prominent effect, because it's much more milder that the other two. it would be like eating top serloin for dinner, then having regular ground beef for desert
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Thanks lenno, these are my thoughts exactly but I will reiterate for the OP. I like the analogy... lol :)

There is no sense adding in H-Drol for one week at the end of a cycle because H-Drol typically takes 2.5 to 3 weeks to fully kick in. As such, adding the H-Drol will only serve to increase stress on your liver and not result in additional gains. More does not always equal better. If you've ran Halodrol-50 you should know this... although dependant on which batch you ran it could've been a different animal all together.

Additionally, running a harsh PH like P-Plex or an even harsher PH like M-Drol you're going to want to start PCT immediately after cessation of the cycle. If you plan to run P-Plex or M-Drol I strongly urge you to take a second thought about your supporting supplements. Check out our Cycle Assist as it has the key supporting supplements.

Hope this helps.

What kind of PCT do you have planned for these cycles?
 
i like the idea of a pplex halo brdge for recomp only because im running PPlex now and dont feel any hard shut down at all, not really even a tiny bit,.

if i did a pplex hdrol bridge i would do
PPlex 45/45/30/30/15
Hdrol _____50/50/75/75/75

I honestly feel that these 2 are mild and you can literally stop the Pplex as soon as the Hdrol kicks in and youll start when u ended off strength wise.

i kknow how people feel about the methyls and runnign them concurrently, but there are worse compounds to run together.

im not a rep , but i think this may be my recomp at some later point.
 
I took holodrol50 from gaspari when it was 'legal'...... But i only took one a day. I was just following what it said on your website. How it works quickly and doesnt aromatize. I guess the question i should of asked is how quick does it work..... lol

I havent even got to what my whole cycle will look like, but off the top of my head, it would look like this.
PCT: Inhibit e starting the last week, till done with bottle.
Tribulous- 1000mg 2x
Milk thistle- 1000mg 2x
Coq10 - 60mg 2x
Might throw in a little bit of ejaculoid for the hell of it. got some left over.
Animal pak daily

While taking ph:
Milk thistle- 1000mg 2x
Cranberry concentrate 1000mg 2x
Heart health combo vitamin 1x daily (multiple herbs in one)
Digestive health 1x (acidophilous, digestive enzymes etc.)
Animal pak 1 pak daily.
Vitamin B complex.

You can crotique if you want. Im really trying to decide how my ph cycle will be running first.
 
crazyfool405 said:
i like the idea of a pplex halo brdge for recomp only because im running PPlex now and dont feel any hard shut down at all, not really even a tiny bit,.

if i did a pplex hdrol bridge i would do
PPlex 45/45/30/30/15
Hdrol _____50/50/75/75/75

I honestly feel that these 2 are mild and you can literally stop the Pplex as soon as the Hdrol kicks in and youll start when u ended off strength wise.

i kknow how people feel about the methyls and runnign them concurrently, but there are worse compounds to run together.

im not a rep , but i think this may be my recomp at some later point.
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I dont know about the hdrol running higher than 50..... but i will look it up.... And why start pplex at such a high dose and decrease?
 
madds87 said:
I dont know about the hdrol running higher than 50..... but i will look it up.... And why start pplex at such a high dose and decrease?
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well im on it now, and i like the effects im having, so thats why i would start there,

id lower it because im bridging it into something else. no need to keep them both super high. and 25mg of halo is a waste
 
madds87 said:
Ok. Well i have ran quite a few ph's. Including methyl masterdrol, Holodrol 50, Mass cycle, Tren, Then some undergrade products. Novice huh? I guess i better watch out with the novice thinking. Dont wanna look like an idiot. Even if it is milder. The point of this idea is to get off of the cycle. To regulate hormone levels. But from what your saying i guess is that it wouldnt work?
Thank you for your opinion.

Well what i would like to do, Is to run a cycle that would benefit everyone. Not to just run a log on something that somone has already done. So any ideas would be fantastic.
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my hope was not to offend or insult, if i did i apoligize, i try not to play that S***. i do not know everything, and knowing that, i have to opertunity to keep learning. my thoughts are kind of like crazys here. if i was going to run what you have, personally, i would start the HDrol at 25mgs.ED, and start the PP at the same time, (i'll sure someone will chimne back at this advise, but i stand my ground)start the PP at 30mgs, while the Hdrol is still at 25, then i would (in the last week of PP) bump the Hdrl to 50, and then beyond, if needed, after that.
 
lennoxchi said:
my hope was not to offend or insult, if i did i apoligize, i try not to play that S***. i do not know everything, and knowing that, i have to opertunity to keep learning. my thoughts are kind of like crazys here. if i was going to run what you have, personally, i would start the HDrol at 25mgs.ED, and start the PP at the same time, (i'll sure someone will chimne back at this advise, but i stand my ground)start the PP at 30mgs, while the Hdrol is still at 25, then i would (in the last week of PP) bump the Hdrl to 50, and then beyond, if needed, after that.
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Brother, its fine. I understand we always need to make sure that the person that is getting advice should be doing everything right. Plus we are all just a bunch of testosterone, voices are bound to be raised!:lol:

So what your suggesting is, Running all of them!? Well i guess that would be extreme. If i was going to do that i will be doing some bloodwork everyweek! :lol: I dunno.... But if i were to run this on a four week cycle i would assume it would look like this.

(Oh and i measured this by pill sorry its just easier i think)
M-drol:1/1/1/1
P-Plex: 1/2/3/2
E-stane: 2/3/3/3
H-drol: 1/1/1/2
 
madds87 said:
Brother, its fine. I understand we always need to make sure that the person that is getting advice should be doing everything right. Plus we are all just a bunch of testosterone, voices are bound to be raised!:lol:

So what your suggesting is, Running all of them!? Well i guess that would be extreme. If i was going to do that i will be doing some bloodwork everyweek! :lol: I dunno.... But if i were to run this on a four week cycle i would assume it would look like this.

(Oh and i measured this by pill sorry its just easier i think)
M-drol:1/1/1/1
P-Plex: 1/2/3/2
E-stane: 2/3/3/3
H-drol: 1/1/1/2
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NO MAN, not all of them, just the pp and hdrol. hdrol 1/1/2/2/3/3.....PP 2/2/2
 
madds87 said:
I took holodrol50 from gaspari when it was 'legal'...... But i only took one a day. I was just following what it said on your website. How it works quickly and doesnt aromatize. I guess the question i should of asked is how quick does it work..... lol

I havent even got to what my whole cycle will look like, but off the top of my head, it would look like this.
PCT: Inhibit e starting the last week, till done with bottle.
Tribulous- 1000mg 2x
Milk thistle- 1000mg 2x
Coq10 - 60mg 2x
Might throw in a little bit of ejaculoid for the hell of it. got some left over.
Animal pak daily

While taking ph:
Milk thistle- 1000mg 2x
Cranberry concentrate 1000mg 2x
Heart health combo vitamin 1x daily (multiple herbs in one)
Digestive health 1x (acidophilous, digestive enzymes etc.)
Animal pak 1 pak daily.
Vitamin B complex.

You can crotique if you want. Im really trying to decide how my ph cycle will be running first.
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This PCT is for just H-Drol? I am confused.

BTW, Halodrol-50 and H-Drol are different. The original Halodrol-50 was spiked with DMT.
 
madds87 said:
I dont know about the hdrol running higher than 50..... but i will look it up.... And why start pplex at such a high dose and decrease?
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Common for folks to go to 75, even 100 mgs/day. I don't recommend that much on a stack though... possibly on a bridge.

I simply dont like the idea of H-Drol and P-Plex bridged. I prefer a fast acting PH in the mix.
 
madds87 said:
So what your suggesting is, Running all of them!? Well i guess that would be extreme. If i was going to do that i will be doing some bloodwork everyweek! :lol: I dunno.... But if i were to run this on a four week cycle i would assume it would look like this.M-drol:1/1/1/1
P-Plex: 1/2/3/2
E-stane: 2/3/3/3
H-drol: 1/1/1/2
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More does not equal better gains. All this would do is give you jaundice.. lol

Pick one compound and dedicate yourself to diet and training.
 
I know i misunderstood. Thats why i was making sure thats what you were suggesting. LOL. I was like "all of them?!?" Ok well i guess i will just run all of them seperate. This is getting crazy. Thank yall for the help. Any advice yall would like to give before i start this log on these products im prob going to run my first cycle on m-drol. starting to get my bulk on! I ran a cycle of a tren clone not too long ago. Im going to take it easy for a little while longer. But im thinking in 1 more week im starting.
 
Usf97j4x4 said:
Common for folks to go to 75, even 100 mgs/day. I don't recommend that much on a stack though... possibly on a bridge.

I simply dont like the idea of H-Drol and P-Plex bridged. I prefer a fast acting PH in the mix.
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75 to 100? wow. I dont think i feel comfortable enough to do that. But i would like to see how these will affect me one at a time so i can compare later the difference in all of the prohormone products. That will just take a long time. ha. When i run the h-drol cycle, which would prob be the last cycle. I think i would maybe only up it to 75 and that would be on the last week of the 4 week cycle.
 
madds87 said:
I know i misunderstood. Thats why i was making sure thats what you were suggesting. LOL. I was like "all of them?!?" Ok well i guess i will just run all of them separate. This is getting crazy. Thank yall for the help. Any advice yall would like to give before i start this log on these products I'm prob going to run my first cycle on m-drol. starting to get my bulk on! I ran a cycle of a tren clone not too long ago. I'm going to take it easy for a little while longer. But I'm thinking in 1 more week I'm starting.
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gonna start mdrol, huh? good compound. keep your carbs up, keep your taurine intake up 5 to 10 grams ED should be good to prevent back or calf pumps, they can be painful; from what i hear, I've never had them, but i knew about the taurine before i ever ran it.
 
lennoxchi said:
gonna start mdrol, huh? good compound. keep your carbs up, keep your taurine intake up 5 to 10 grams ED should be good to prevent back or calf pumps, they can be painful; from what i hear, I've never had them, but i knew about the taurine before i ever ran it.
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ive never had back pumps from any of the OTC steroids,

and if i did i wouldnt be to fast to act on the taurine

i think quinine is found in small amounts in tonic water, which is better gor cramping.
 
lennoxchi said:
gonna start mdrol, huh? good compound. keep your carbs up, keep your taurine intake up 5 to 10 grams ED should be good to prevent back or calf pumps, they can be painful; from what i hear, I've never had them, but i knew about the taurine before i ever ran it.
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Yeah i heard of that. But i always heard of keeping my potassium real high with a constant flow of electrolytes. But thats one thing i dont have is l-taurine. So ill get some. Oh and i will be keeping my carbs up real high. Its time for bulking! i love this time of the year! So i know this m-drol will help with the bulking.
 
lennoxchi said:
you'll be fine, keep us informed, will ya?
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Will i!? Buddy im gonna have a log of all logs! :thumbsup::lol: Once i have everything ready. One more week. I hurt my foot not to long ago from doing calve raises. Dont know how i did it but i did..... soooo imma let my whole body chill on a good break for one week well on top of my chill workouts lately... and then balls to the wall holms! Plus its bulking time so even more excitement. Ill be posting it up on supplement log section. ill have everything. The pics though im still trying to figure out.....
 
crazyfool405 said:
hence my pplex hdrol bridge that i suggested!!!:thumbsup:
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i appreciate the suggestion. Im still not sure about the bridge idea. Im really thinking about just running each of the products by themselves. i wanna be able to compare the products after everything is done. Hopefully i can figure this out on what products worked the best with me and buy alot of them before they get banned. Plus all of my products came in today! I was like a kid at christmas!
 
Usf97j4x4 said:
BTW, Halodrol-50 and H-Drol are different. The original Halodrol-50 was spiked with DMT.
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Excuse myignorance but what is dmt?? And how is h-drol and the original halodrol different in more layman terms, ??
What are the advantages and disadvantages of each??
Thanks
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shinivan said:
Excuse myignorance but what is dmt?? And how is h-drol and the original halodrol different in more layman terms, ??
What are the advantages and disadvantages of each??
Thanks
:thumbsup:
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Dimethyltryptamine. Thats the only difference. Honestly, They both worked well for me. Also considering though, everyone reacts diff. CEL i have been very impressed with.
I have so many of there products now, i bought in bulk after the few ph's i took. Im afraid there going to be banned!!!!! grr...
But to explane DMT google it. Much better description than i can give.
 
madds87 said:
Dimethyltryptamine. Thats the only difference. Honestly, They both worked well for me. Also considering though, everyone reacts diff. CEL i have been very impressed with.
I have so many of there products now, i bought in bulk after the few ph's i took. Im afraid there going to be banned!!!!! grr...
But to explane DMT google it. Much better description than i can give.
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DMT is dehydromethyltestosterone no dimethyltryptanine (this is smoked by people for hallycinations)
 
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