What to do for Knee Pain from Heavy Weight

schwellington

schwellington

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Okay so my strength shot way up

went from squatting 385x6 to 450x6 in a matter of about 40 days

i know STUPID


now im paying for it i was on dianabol/deca/test and no pain (due to wet compounds and deca)

now im on tren ace, turinabol and test


but my knees hurt- just sitting here they ache, they didnt start hurting like this till i started doing HIIT cardio 5-6x a week on a treadmill- so i stopped doing that and went to eliptical


but they hurt so bad i couldnt squat- i HAD to listen to my body

what do i do? Time? just dont squat or do treadmill?

15 g of fishoil a day
 
Maybe check into additional joint support, or go light for a couple weeks with legs. Or if you insist on going heavy still and want to still get a gpod workout you can take some tylenol arthritis pre workout, thats what I do when I am in pain. Honestly you should just go light until they feel better and check into more joint support, you dont want to mess up your knees.
 
^ thats what i was thinking
i think im going to cut out squats and dead lifts till my knees heal up and look into some cissus
 
"One side effect that noobs never consider is that there very limited training experiences leaves them with limited tendon strength. The desire to lift heavier and heavier weight that steroid induced strength gains produce make them very susceptible to tendon tears and ruptures. This really is the foremost reason IMHO why guys with less than 3-5 years of very extensive training experience should not use steroids.

Just some food for thought for the starved."

Posted by David Dunn on page 7 of your log. You see, all the advice to train natty for a few years and forget the cycle way back then was coming from people far more experienced. You reap what you sow.
 
Dragon13 said:
"One side effect that noobs never consider is that there very limited training experiences leaves them with limited tendon strength. The desire to lift heavier and heavier weight that steroid induced strength gains produce make them very susceptible to tendon tears and ruptures. This really is the foremost reason IMHO why guys with less than 3-5 years of very extensive training experience should not use steroids.

Just some food for thought for the starved."

Posted by David Dunn on page 7 of your log. You see, all the advice to train natty for a few years and forget the cycle way back then was coming from people far more experienced. You reap what you sow.
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no no no, my tendons arent destroyed they are strained, and ready to go after resting them, in fact they feel great. I think had i kept going, this would have happend
 
Schwell, I have chronic problems with my knees. Patellar Tendonitis, which is an irritation of the tendons in front of the knee. After a hard quads workout, I can guarantee that they will be ripping painful.

So what works for me? NSAIDs like Ibuprofen or Naproxen Sodium (Aleve). I don't like to take a lot of these, as they are systemic, and have other side effects (i.e. liver)

I have had sucess using that Joint Force Spray, and wrapping the knees with Saran Wrap. I also tried a (considerably cheaper) spray from the pharamacy, which contained Menthol, and also worked OK, but maybe not as good as the Joint Force. But I like this kind of solution cuz its not systemic.

I have heard that Deca helps with collagen synthesis, not sure if it helps with tendons. Your DEca run is over, right? Wonder if not having Deca in there allowed the knees to get hammered more than they were.

Big fan of your log, by the way!
 
lol thanks- yes deca is over i still got 9mls just sitting around though

and i will have 20mls of tren when this cycle is done left ove
and a bottle of phera

and some test

got me the building of a new cycle :o


but my knee pain has subsided my tendon was inflamed, it is fine now, all i did was lay off squats and deads for 2 weeks and its g2g, im going to ease back into it though
 
Maybe your form is awful. Squats are primarily a hip extension lift and shouldn't have that much impact on the knees unless you have bad technique or the wrong shows.
 
Rodja said:
Maybe your form is awful. Squats are primarily a hip extension lift and shouldn't have that much impact on the knees unless you have bad technique or the wrong shows.
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form actually is not that bad, i had scott bjork show my some tips, my knee was out further than my foot, he showed me how to even this out, im going to perfect my form while not worrying so much about weight


i wouldnt call it awful, but i would say it needs tweaking
 
Knee wraps nuff said. And don't listen to morons that tell you they weaken your knee joint.
 
schwellington said:
no no no, my tendons arent destroyed they are strained, and ready to go after resting them, in fact they feel great. I think had i kept going, this would have happend
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No I wasn't saying your tendons are destroyed yet; I'm pointing out the fact that DD warned you that large increses in working weight in relatively untrained individuals can result in joint problems. And there ya go.
 
Yeah ... Patellar Tendonitis ... hopefully you don't have it Schwell ... takes forever to go away and no amount of Cissus will touch it.

I fell in love with squats 25 years ago and as a young lad full of piss and vinegar - I didn't really care about form so I put a lot of stress on the tendon attachment points to my kneecap. My tendons are fine - it's just that small point where they attach to the knee that will hurt like bloody hell.

I squat now - but with correct form and I have no problem moving the weight because I've shifted the movement away from the knees.

But, it still hurts like hell after a workout - and all week ... hell, I can't even ride on an airplane without a lot of pain in my knees - I gotta get up and walk.

For the young men out there - learn to squat the right way - and work up slowly on the weight.
 
1) you need to rest
2) you need to stretch at least 2 X per day
3) take an anti-inflamatory med that's not contra-indicated to any other meds you are taking
4) start back slowly
 
Try using a foam roller on the lower part of your quads down by your knees, but obviously not on the knee joint itself. Find the spots that hurt and keep rolling them out.
 
Squats should not be a quad dominant lift. They should be a hip lift that encompasses the entire thigh and hip complex. If your knees are hurting, you're not sitting back far enough and using hip drive to move the weight. Instead, you're muscling it up and paying for it.
 
Rodja said:
Squats should not be a quad dominant lift. They should be a hip lift that encompasses the entire thigh and hip complex. If your knees are hurting, you're not sitting back far enough and using hip drive to move the weight. Instead, you're muscling it up and paying for it.
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^^^Spot on advice here, think of sitting back on your heels.
 
my knees no longer hurt since i cut running out on the treadmill, i was able to squat just fine 385 for 8 reps the other day- watching form closely and staying away from treadmill
 
i do sit back on my knees- my knee does not extend out past my foot whilst squatting
 
schwellington said:
my knees no longer hurt since i cut running out on the treadmill, i was able to squat just fine 385 for 8 reps the other day- watching form closely and staying away from treadmill
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I hate treadmills for many reasons and that is one of them
 
Dragon13 said:
^^^^ Good post. Might be helpful to describe what changes you made in your form.
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I spread my stance out first. Most form experts say shoulder width or a bit wider ... then I looked in the mirror one day and found my shoulders were much wider than I imagined while lifting - LOL. My shoulders are "freakish" and high school kids will come up to me in the gym and comment on them.

So first thing is I widened the stance.

Then - you gotta shift all the load, or most of it - off the quads and back to the hip and the ass.

I looked at lot of Ripkin YouTube videos to learn.

Also - my knees still hurt and they prolly always will. They only stop hurting when I stop lifting.

I AINT stopping lifting.
 
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