Ditch the Cordyceps and put in LCLT at 1.5 grams, that pretty much is about as good as it gets. And some B12, like 5-10K % of the daily like the dose in Ultima.Would anyone else like something like this? Add? Take out? Replace?
Ditch the Cordyceps and put in LCLT at 1.5 grams, that pretty much is about as good as it gets. And some B12, like 5-10K % of the daily like the dose in Ultima.Would anyone else like something like this? Add? Take out? Replace?
I love the endurance boost I get from cordyceps and I get my LCLT/B12 daily from my multi. Maybe some creatinol-o-phosphate,Icariin,and naringin.:yup:Ditch the Cordyceps and put in LCLT at 1.5 grams, that pretty much is about as good as it gets. And some B12, like 5-10K % of the daily like the dose in Ultima.
I don't think that's what he was saying....but would like some clarification nonetheless.So it is true that Agmatine negates the use of DAA?
But I don't know what any of that actually SAYS. lol.Results
Differentiated RGC-5 cells were pretreated with 100
μM agmatine for 2 h, and then exposed to 1.0 mM H2O2
for 16 h for induction of oxidative stress. After agmatine
pretreatment, the cytotoxicity of H2O2 declined from above
50 to approximately 30% (Figure 1A,B).
Neither yohimbine nor NMDA, at any concentration,
had any significant effect on oxidative stress-induced cell
death (data not shown); 10 nM yohimbine and 100 μM
NMDA were used for further experiments. While yohimbine
almost completely blocked the protective effects of agmatine
pretreatment (Figure 1A), NMDA did not (Figure 1B).
To evaluate the contribution of NMDA receptor signaling,
the protective effect of agmatine was compared to that
of MK-801. MK-801 did not significantly affect the H2O2-
induced cytotoxicity of RGC-5 cells (Figure 1C).
So if you are using one then the other will not provide anything more as far as results. Thanks..They work through similar pathways in some respects so there is so overlap that's all .
You will still get some increased effect as there are a lot of places these things work that we know nothing about and there is no research on but they are not completely additive effects. Meaning 1+1 does not equal 2 in this case it may just equal 1.2 or 1.4 or something.So if you are using one then the other will not provide anything more as far as results. Thanks..
Make it stim-free and I'm interestedWould anyone else like something like this? Add? Take out? Replace?
mmm Stims :footinmouth:Make it stim-free and I'm interested
Given the name and track record, an endurance line would be cool. Have Pre and Post workout formulas.
Pre:
Citrulline Malate 3g
Beta Alanine 3g
LCLT 1.5g
Vinpcoetine or Sulbutiamine 10mg or 350mg
AAKG 2-4g
Taurine 2g
CEE 3g or some other form of creatine. Maybe something similar to Trinitine?
Glutamine 5g
1,3 10-20mg This could be omitted.
Rasberry Ketones 250-500mg Could work synergisticly with LCLT to help lean out.
NAT 400mg
Post:
Beta Alanine 2g
LCLT 1g
Glutamine 5g
CEE 1-2g or CM 5g
L-Leucine or a BCAA blend. A good, cost efficient amount.
ALA 300mg
Protein 15-20g depending on cost
Carbs 15-20g Again depending on cost and serving size. i.e. 2 scoops compared to 7.
Bullseye! I want thisI'm pretty much feeling the same way as you, I'd love to see many of the ingredients you mentioned, something like this?
Citruline Malate- 5 grams
Beta-Alanine- 4g
MCC-3g
Taurine-2g
Acetyl-L-tyrosine- 400mg
CordyCeps
Caffeine- 150mg
Theophylline
Sulbutiamine
I personally never saw much of a difference using Cordygen Max or whatever the latest incarnation was called. I just got Adamantium and Rasberry Ketones and I'm waiting on funds to get XFA and for a 'come back' stack if you will. What I listed is similar to what I'll be doing after using mostly bulk powders. Have you guys thought of adding creatine to Adamantium? Could make it more attractive without adding too much cost. Or even AAKG?I like the idea of Endurance products for Athletes, Adamantium is great for pre-workout and contains LCLT + Titanium as LCLT so wouldn't want more LCLT a day then that. Division 1 will be great to add in as well.
Cordyceps would def make a great addition in a pre-endurance product. Would love to see Athletix come up with a post-workout, there isn't too many good ones out right now.
Cordyceps do work great pre-workout. Glad you liked my idea.Bullseye! I want this
I'm in late into this discussion, but I really like the idea of having cordyceps in products. Really helps with high intensity workouts. 4g BA is crucial - anything less sucks. I had forgotten about taurine, but I think it would definitely have a place. Throw in the B vitamins there, too, and you're set.
AAKG doesn't work very good unless it's through an IV. Adamantium works great on it's on but def like your idea on maybe adding something in.I personally never saw much of a difference using Cordygen Max or whatever the latest incarnation was called. I just got Adamantium and Rasberry Ketones and I'm waiting on funds to get XFA and for a 'come back' stack if you will. What I listed is similar to what I'll be doing after using mostly bulk powders. Have you guys thought of adding creatine to Adamantium? Could make it more attractive without adding too much cost. Or even AAKG?
Agreed, that would be amazing if you could get some BCAA's with the Taste that Adamantium has, that would be sick!How about a straight performance product that can be taken every day consisting around some BCAAs?
With the pink lemonade flavor
Yah, It's good.:banana:Agreed, that would be amazing if you could get some BCAA's with the Taste that Adamantium has, that would be sick!
It's too bad that the Adamantium already has LCLT. I've been adding LCLT to my (bulk unflavored) BCAA drinks between meals and it totally masks the flavor to the point of almost being good. And believe me, that's at least half of what makes the Adamantium taste so good. Maybe they could still add it in - not everyone wants to take DAA, after all, but everyone likes BCAAs.How about a straight performance product that can be taken every day consisting around some BCAAs?
With the pink lemonade flavor
I am curious why people still think CEE is worth a darn. MCC, mono or creatine nitrate are really all that I would consider. MCC is great, cheap, give no water bloat and did I mention you only need about 3 grams to be effective as opposed to 5 with mono? Either way, swap out the CEE and those formulas have promise less the AAKG which is a waste.Given the name and track record, an endurance line would be cool. Have Pre and Post workout formulas.
Pre:
Citrulline Malate 3g
Beta Alanine 3g
LCLT 1.5g
Vinpcoetine or Sulbutiamine 10mg or 350mg
AAKG 2-4g
Taurine 2g
CEE 3g or some other form of creatine. Maybe something similar to Trinitine?
Glutamine 5g
1,3 10-20mg This could be omitted.
Rasberry Ketones 250-500mg Could work synergisticly with LCLT to help lean out.
NAT 400mg
Post:
Beta Alanine 2g
LCLT 1g
Glutamine 5g
CEE 1-2g or CM 5g
L-Leucine or a BCAA blend. A good, cost efficient amount.
ALA 300mg
Protein 15-20g depending on cost
Carbs 15-20g Again depending on cost and serving size. i.e. 2 scoops compared to 7.
Your choice to do so though I got better results from MCC, Trinitine and Creatine Nitrate than I EVER did from mono and I took less. I don't need a study to tell me what my body will show me in the mirror and the gym. How can you say a creatine that is based off of mono that has an electrolyte on it is not just as good and will help with keeping your electrolyte balance in check. This whole mono is the only creatine argument is old, ignorant and frankly tiring. Believe what you want I just really get sick of the bro logic when comparing mono to anything. You speak of studies, how many have you read and can post about how it is superior? I don't have time for that, I would much rather train, eat, sleep and screw my girlfriend . :far2t:I wonder why everyone thinks there are better creatines then mono out there? MCC has yet to be proven better since it was not ever compared to mono in the study done on it. I will not spend extra cash unless I know it is infact, better.
great post!!!Your choice to do so though I got better results from MCC, Trinitine and Creatine Nitrate than I EVER did from mono and I took less. I don't need a study to tell me what my body will show me in the mirror and the gym. How can you say a creatine that is based off of mono that has an electrolyte on it is not just as good and will help with keeping your electrolyte balance in check. This whole mono is the only creatine argument is old, ignorant and frankly tiring. Believe what you want I just really get sick of the bro logic when comparing mono to anything. You speak of studies, how many have you read and can post about how it is superior? I don't have time for that, I would much rather train, eat, sleep and screw my girlfriend . :far2t:
I went from using CEE to Green Magnitude by Controlled Labs and LOST strength. CEE and Mono are the only creatines that make a difference with me. I wish MCC worked for me because as you said it's cheap, but it doesn't. AAKG increases bloodflow enough to help with endurance but not enough to give you an annoying 'pump'. That's why I said the formula would be geared toward athletes and not bodybuilders.I am curious why people still think CEE is worth a darn. MCC, mono or creatine nitrate are really all that I would consider. MCC is great, cheap, give no water bloat and did I mention you only need about 3 grams to be effective as opposed to 5 with mono? Either way, swap out the CEE and those formulas have promise less the AAKG which is a waste.
I would like to see something like..
5g Creatine Mono (no other forms)
3g Beta Alanine
6g Citrulline malate
Waxy Maize (however much is economically relevant from company standing)
Very simple but I like this stack. Doesnt over do it and can be marketed fairly cheap i believe.
You are welcome. I did not include a stim becuase I believe some people like to alter there dosages according to many factors; such as time of day, schedule, current energy level.Thanks for your input!
A basic formula could be interesting, some gplc would be nice, just too bad it brings up the price. Non stim could be good, but would still like to see sulbutiamine for some natural energy. Non-Stim is nice because it's cheap to buy caffeine if anyone really wants to add some stim in.You are welcome. I did not include a stim becuase I believe some people like to alter there dosages according to many factors; such as time of day, schedule, current energy level.
Sounds kinda like a custom pre-workout, don't think that would be a possibility.I would like to see some kind of deal where for a few bucks we can get a tub of the product with out an ingredient we ioght not whant for whatever reason.
This coud make for a real please everybody product.
The formula listed that we have talked about a bunch, with sulb as the natural stim in it would be great. I suggest that Athletix makes a CHEAP stim pill that is of the following make up, sell it for under $15 to compliment the pre-workout IF you need a boost that day.A basic formula could be interesting, some gplc would be nice, just too bad it brings up the price. Non stim could be good, but would still like to see sulbutiamine for some natural energy. Non-Stim is nice because it's cheap to buy caffeine if anyone really wants to add some stim in.
Sounds kinda like a custom pre-workout, don't think that would be a possibility.
lol-very nice!!!Beta Alanine (4000 mg)
L-Citruline DL-Malate
Arginine AKG
Icariin
Di-creatine Malate
Creatine Nitrate
L-Taurine
Creatinol-O-Phosphate
Agmatine Sulfate
Glucoronolactone
Thiamizine (Thiamine Disulfide Butyrate Ester)
200mg Caffeine anhydrous
Theoephylline
1,3 dimethylamylamine
DAA?
That would be the perfect preworkout!
Fixed lolBeta Alanine (4000 mg)
GPLC
L-Citruline DL-Malate
Icariin
Di-Creatine Malate
L-Taurine
Glucoronolactone
Thiamizine (Thiamine Disulfide Butyrate Ester)
150mg Caffeine anhydrous
Theoephylline
I really like the pump product idea as well, maybe something that can be taken 2-3 times a day for a non-stop all day vascularity/pump.Not necessarily a pre-workout....
...but I'd love a "pump" product that last ALL day, or at least 12+ hrs.
GPLC, yummy!Fixed lol
Now it looks really good
Does look pretty good, I believe we are coming out with something that contains BCAA's.....hmmmmFocus/energy 2.55G
Sulbutiamine 500mg
Caffeine 150mg
B-PEA 250mg
Acetyl L-Carnitine HCl 1500mg
Hordenine 50mg
Picamillion 100mg
ATP/Pump 7.9 G
Creapure® 4G
Creatine Nitrate 1G
Creatinol-o-phosphate 1.5G or 3 G beta alanine
Arginine Nitrate 1G
Norvaline 400 mg
BCAA 4:1:1 6G
Lecuine 4G
ISoleucine 1g
Valine 1g
after adding flavoring system and anti caking agents only looking at around 20G per serving and i think the changes i made from my first formula would lower the cost and your getting a BCAA plus preWO
I'd also like to see something like that, maybe mixed with vitamins.Sort of off the path here but an Anti-Oxidant supplement would be cool. Not very exciting but very useful.