kBrown said:Over training has a lot of factors:
Supplements
"supplements"
Your experience
Your body.
Me personally I can "feel" when I have over trained. I ache, in a not pleasant way, weight that should feel a bit lighter begins to seem a bit heavier. Etc.
Personally every 4-5 weeks I try to take a good week off. Trust me, it won't kill you.
Some people do 4 weeks of heavy and then a week "off" but during that week they still stay active (1-3 sets, light weight). However all these numbers are meaningless. There is no magic number--hence why everyone does things differently.
Just listen to your body and see what it tells you to do. If still unsure train hard for 4 weeks and then take a week off. Won't kill you...
also, IMO doing chest 3 times a week is ridiculous.
Yea I agree with this. You just have to listen to your body. I know I have overtrained when I feel really fatigued, and don't want to work out.
Over training has a lot of factors:
Supplements
"supplements"
Your experience
Your body.
Me personally I can "feel" when I have over trained. I ache, in a not pleasant way, weight that should feel a bit lighter begins to seem a bit heavier. Etc.
Personally every 4-5 weeks I try to take a good week off. Trust me, it won't kill you.
Some people do 4 weeks of heavy and then a week "off" but during that week they still stay active (1-3 sets, light weight). However all these numbers are meaningless. There is no magic number--hence why everyone does things differently.
Just listen to your body and see what it tells you to do. If still unsure train hard for 4 weeks and then take a week off. Won't kill you...
also, IMO doing chest 3 times a week is ridiculous.
Whoever coined the term overtraining needs to be shot. Overtraining is primarily a CNS issue; overuse is a completely different issue. 99% of people that think they are overtraining are not. Unless you're consistently training >90% of your 1RM 2-3x/week, you're not going to overtrain and there are ways in which you can do that and still not overtrain.
When your body aches, it aches and needs time off plain and simple.
You can go through a particularly brutal week long routine and be out of commission for a solid 3-4 days easily if your body is not used to that routine--matter of fact I am going through such an episode right now.
You are right though:
Many of us when utilizing the term "over training" do not distinguish between giving the muscles sufficient time to recover and the CNS.
You are also correct in saying (well you implied) that your CNS becomes increasingly stressed when training around 90% of your 1RM, when training at these levels you do require time to de-load (some use a bit of volume training for a week to give the body a rest).
Curious how your post, other than to detract from what was said above helps the individual (willc86) in any way?
So, it is impossible to overtrain if I do chest once a week and fatiguing all the time?
So, it is impossible to overtrain if I do chest once a week and fatiguing all the time?
So, it is impossible to overtrain if I do chest once a week and fatiguing all the time?
Whoever coined the term overtraining needs to be shot. Overtraining is primarily a CNS issue; overuse is a completely different issue. 99% of people that think they are overtraining are not. Unless you're consistently training >90% of your 1RM 2-3x/week, you're not going to overtrain and there are ways in which you can do that and still not overtrain.
kBrown said:IMO
You will be fine performing chest once a week. You could also hit it twice a week, though the second time I would suggest hitting the chest in a different manner (e.g. weighted dips).
Overall this is my advice take it or leave it I am not here to argue
Train hard for 4 weeks rest a week. (you will not have any strength decreases from a week off, just stay active...springs, jogging, etc)
Or train 4 weeks heavy and then do a week of deload (e.g. 4 weeks heavy, 1 week light--more reps, less sets)
As you become more experienced you will know what protocols to follow for your body.
Also, everyone is going to have a different opinion, or "expert opinion" or "educated opinion" or however they want to bill it on this matter.
Ultimately train for years and figure out what works for you, in the process educate yourself as much as possible
Completely agree. Frankly the vast majority of people don't train hard enough consistently to overtrain. The idea that you shouldn't train while a little sore or anything of the nature is funny. The body adapts so quickly and I'm a huge proponent of active recovery anyways. I remember I used to be "afraid" of overtraining as it was all you'd read about for a while. Soon I was almost scared to truly work in the gym cause heaven forbid I overtrain and turn into a 4th grade girl!
When your body aches, it aches and needs time off plain and simple.
You can go through a particularly brutal week long routine and be out of commission for a solid 3-4 days easily if your body is not used to that routine--matter of fact I am going through such an episode right now.
You are right though:
Many of us when utilizing the term "over training" do not distinguish between giving the muscles sufficient time to recover and the CNS.
You are also correct in saying (well you implied) that your CNS becomes increasingly stressed when training around 90% of your 1RM, when training at these levels you do require time to de-load (some use a bit of volume training for a week to give the body a rest).
Curious how your post, other than to detract from what was said above helps the individual (willc86) in any way?
I agree wholeheartedly.....having recently suffered. I was doing the Layne Norton routine which was pretty intensive training 5 days a week and doing HIT the other two days combined with a massively reduced calorific intake....not a good idea. It first manifested itself as fatigue and lack of motivation, but I stuck to it thinking I was being a girl....and then it hit me at once...it was awful...palpitations, hot flushes, sweats, tremors, insomnia, lack of appetite and gas....its taken me fives to be feel 70 - 80% of normal and start a half decent weights routine.
i have to disagree. if your an ectomorph and you start working out everyday for 1.5 or 2 hours everyday you will be doing yourself a major disservice, and have a much harder time putting mass on than if you are working out 4 or 5 days a week with workouts about 45 minutes long. Lots of people start off working out and are all excitied and overtrain. Rest and recovery is just as important as time in the gym. Do you know how many guys went out and bought arnolds encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding and saw little to no results because they were all overtraining. Overtraining and too much volume is a killerto alot of people, especially ecto's
When you got taxed out how was your sleeping?I ask because some nights i sleep ok,but alot i keep waking to pee,hands keep going numb no matter how i postion them,and an hour before usally wake up i start getting restless.DId you have any of this,or am i just sleeping on a crappy matress(kiddin its new)
i have to disagree. if your an ectomorph and you start working out everyday for 1.5 or 2 hours everyday you will be doing yourself a major disservice, and have a much harder time putting mass on than if you are working out 4 or 5 days a week with workouts about 45 minutes long. Lots of people start off working out and are all excitied and overtrain. Rest and recovery is just as important as time in the gym. Do you know how many guys went out and bought arnolds encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding and saw little to no results because they were all overtraining. Overtraining and too much volume is a killerto alot of people, especially ecto's
I go to the gym now 4 times a week and stay no more then 45 mins at the gym. But everything I lift is always heavy. I am confused...I thought ectos need a lot of volume to grow. I usually aim for 5-7reps heavy weight every set I do
or sometimes I do 2 warm up set of about 12-15 then 6-10 then last 2 sets I go heavy aiming for about 4-6 struggling like hell. so it loosk osmething liek this
Chest/biceps/back/legs
set 1 - 12-15 reps Light
set 2 - 12-15 reps Light
set 3 - 7-10 reps - moderate heavy(fatigued)
set 4 - 4-6 reps - really heavy (faitgued)
Abs
a lot of reps
By the ways, I am an ecto. I am 6ft and currently weight 205lbs. I am trying to get 220 230 at around 7-11% boody fat.
I still get sore at every body part every day. especially chest. My chest stays sore for like 3 days still. Not sure if that is normal after a while of being at the gym.
that is good to know =)
What is 1RM?
that is good to know =)
What is 1RM?
TomGreen said:i have to disagree. if your an ectomorph and you start working out everyday for 1.5 or 2 hours everyday you will be doing yourself a major disservice, and have a much harder time putting mass on than if you are working out 4 or 5 days a week with workouts about 45 minutes long. Lots of people start off working out and are all excitied and overtrain. Rest and recovery is just as important as time in the gym. Do you know how many guys went out and bought arnolds encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding and saw little to no results because they were all overtraining. Overtraining and too much volume is a killerto alot of people, especially ecto's
So, is this a good work out for bulking?
Chest/biceps/back/legs
set 1 - 12-15 reps Light
set 2 - 12-15 reps Light/moderate (almost hits fatigue but can keep going if I wanted too)
set 3 - 7-10 reps - moderate heavy(fatigued)
set 4 - 4-6 reps - really heavy (faitgued)
abs
lots of reps moderate weight to failure each
willc86 said:So, is this a good work out for bulking?
Chest/biceps/back/legs
set 1 - 12-15 reps Light
set 2 - 12-15 reps Light/moderate (almost hits fatigue but can keep going if I wanted too)
set 3 - 7-10 reps - moderate heavy(fatigued)
set 4 - 4-6 reps - really heavy (faitgued)
abs
lots of reps moderate weight to failure each
Yeah, I am eating good now. Finally got my diet packed. I am trying to hit 50ish grams of protein each meal now, but still slowly getting there. But I eat good qualities of food like
10 eggs yogurt bannana
2 cups brown rice 1 chicken 1 scoop protein
full serving weight gainer
ect.... 6 times a day
But I just want to make sure I have my work out packed. I am just a bit confused on whats best for developing size and mass
like I seen people be like 5 set of 4-5 reps fatiguing each set
then people say hit your heavy weight on your last 1 or 2 sets, which is what I have been doing.
I see people saying do 3 min rest, 40 sec rest 1 min rest. so all this information is just like, dam...what do I do.
I do try to switch it up every 2 months.
Rodja said:Rest depends of how heavy it is. Working up to a max double will require more rest between sets than a set of 12. Honestly, it sounds like you need to do the thing that everybody has to do: trial and error and learn what works specifically for you.
As far as changing it up goes, there is no reason to change your routine just for the sake of changing it. If you're still seeing results from it in terms of both size and strength, then there is no reason to change it.
viagra69 said:whats your thoughts on this i train legs once a week and have done for long time but i lift heavy and so after heavy squats 5 heavy sets 3 heavy leg press 3 sets calfs 3 set leg extentions 4 sets of romanian deadlift heavy thats my leg work out takes about an hour i am absalutly broke up for most of the week and only start to feel good by the time its back to legs 1 week later other days im training upper body about 5 days a week
whats your thoughts on this i train legs once a week and have done for long time but i lift heavy and so after heavy squats 5 heavy sets 3 heavy leg press 3 sets calfs 3 set leg extentions 4 sets of romanian deadlift heavy thats my leg work out takes about an hour i am absalutly broke up for most of the week and only start to feel good by the time its back to legs 1 week later other days im training upper body about 5 days a week
If you're body is not conditioned for a particular phase, then the recovery will take longer, but, as the body adapts, your recovery will increase. Just because your body aches does not mean that you need time off. It could be from an overuse injury, but it could also be from inadequate cool-down, lack of mobility, or you could just need a good MFR session.
The point of my post is that people are far too quick to throw out overtraining and think that it's very easy to do when it's not. The body is not that fragile and people need to quit acting as though overtraining is something that happens overnight. It takes months to reach a truly overtrained state.
Rodja said:If you're knocking that out in about an hour, then it must not be that heavy in comparison to your 1RM. Warming up and the squats alone would take about 30 minutes.
viagra69 said:thanks for the thoughts on this one lads so heres generaly what my day looks like in the food department
wake up 8am 6grams of l-glutamine
8.20 27grams of porridge some rasins and some natual honey,i find it hard to eat early in the day hence 27grams porridge
8.45 protein shake 39grams protein 29grams carbs 7grams fat
this fills me until about 1 o clock then its a small dinner whatever is in the fridge big chicken breast with rice or pasta not sure of how much carbs but i put the chicken breast in at about 35grams protein there 200gram breasts before there cooked or else its a piece of fish with rice or pasta about the same in protein normaly have a handfull of mixed nuts after this feed
about 4 its a sandwich chicken cheese and ham on brown bread or whatever is in the fridge along the lines of above
about 5 its 5grams of l-glutamine followed by pre workout drink after about 15mins then its off to the gym
train then about 6.30 gym is done 3 bcaa tablets and go for a swim sauna after about 15 mins its a protein shake same type as morning
normaly home for about 7.30 then its a big dinner meat veg potatoes pasta or stew whatever is for dinner but good ouality food home cooked
before i go to bed then its either protein shake or eggs if eggs its 2 whole eggs plus 5 whites
probably be a bit of fruit bananna apple or orange thrown in during the day not realy a sweets or choclate fan