nightside1234
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What causes people to being very vasculare? Is it just high lean mass with very low bf%. or is there more factors then this?
what inpacts becoming visible Vascular
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Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Generally the leaner one is the more vascular they are. Genetics also plays a role in vascularity; some people have good veins regardless of leanness and others do not. High carbohydrate intake can also cause good vascularity, especially following meals. Heat and humidty can also increase vascularity. A few different factors are involved, but leanness (i.e. a low BF%) is the most common, and generally in all circumstances mentioned a leaner individual is likely to have better vascularity than one who is not as lean.
~Rosie
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boxrocker
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Very Good points Rosanne! one more thing is Milk. A lot of weightlifters use milk as it bumbs up your protein intake rather well. If you use whole, try going to 1% or skim milk. if you drink skim try replacing milk with water for a while. I have tried all of these and I noticed the difference.
nightside1234
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thank you for the feedback, Yes im on a very strict HIGH protein diet and very low carbs (10g MAX)
I now too mix my shakes with water instead of skim milk.
One other question that Ive been meaning to ask is water. Is city water bad for you.. Cause im taking in around a gallon or more a day.
I now too mix my shakes with water instead of skim milk.
One other question that Ive been meaning to ask is water. Is city water bad for you.. Cause im taking in around a gallon or more a day.
TravisG
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how dense the muscle is. this way the vein sits up on the dense muscle tissue protruding out of the skin. and leaness. the list goes. bone. muscle. fat. vein. skin. if you have no fat it goes vein, skin. the last thing is water retention. if you are holdnig alot of subcanteous water. than veins are hard to see.
and first off. 10g of carbs hurts your metabolism and leaves you with no energy. sencond. these is no way youre only eating 10 grams of carbs. only if you have PURE meat all day. 1 tbs of miracle whip has three. and a slice of bread has 16g. I GUARANTEE. you arnt eating ten grams of carbs a day. id bet money on that. the only way you could do this is if you ate NOTHING but lean cut meat for every meal. and thats meat only. no sauce, seasoning ect.
and first off. 10g of carbs hurts your metabolism and leaves you with no energy. sencond. these is no way youre only eating 10 grams of carbs. only if you have PURE meat all day. 1 tbs of miracle whip has three. and a slice of bread has 16g. I GUARANTEE. you arnt eating ten grams of carbs a day. id bet money on that. the only way you could do this is if you ate NOTHING but lean cut meat for every meal. and thats meat only. no sauce, seasoning ect.
nightside1234
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Diet is ONLY:
sliced turkey, ham, tuna out of can w/ NO bread no mayo/ protein shakes with water/
special days is: samon, Steak.
My energy is still high. but then again I am on.
SX
Lean fx
animal pak
Fish oil
nightside1234
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Diet is ONLY:
sliced turkey, hame, tuna out of can w/ NO bread no mayo/ protein shakes with water/
special days is: samon, Steak.
only carbs i get is from green veggie (green beans)
My energy is still high. but then again I am on.
SX
Lean fx
animal pak
Fish oil
RSR36
New member
I'm extremely vascular and have been for years. Deffinately more so as BF dips below 8%. Some people make rude comments about it and assume my BP is off the charts (it's not!). I think it is more genetic than anything. Look at Jay Cutler... Even in Olympia shape, he has little overall vascularity. Obviously going ketogenic can impair vascularity over time, so carbs play a big role as well as blood volume. But genetics rule the day!!!
TravisG
Active member
why are you eating so little carbs? your body needs carbs to gain muscle. and definatly post workout to restore glycogen stores. you are probably gaining very low amounts with no carbs to support muscle gains. and your fat looks low too. you need a diet rework bro..i hope to god youre taking a multi too cause you are getting no nutrients out of that
nightside1234
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My body gets out of ketosis if I go over 22 carbs. As for multivietmins i do take animal pak (11 tablets per day) that close nutritional gaps.
7:30 am - I coach // Swim
10:00am
Meal 1: 2 eggs + 1 can of tuna in water without mayo or bread.
1:15 Protein Shake w/ water
1:30 PM
Workout 1: Lifting
after workout protein shake w/ water
4:00 pm
Meal 2: 4 slices of turkey/ham + 1 can of tuna
5:00 Swimming hitt
6:30 PM
Meal 3: Chicken breast or hamburger or steak/ large portion of green beans or broccoli
Workout 3: lifting
9:30 PM
Meal 4: protein shake w/ water
10:30-11:30 Bedtime
2 tablespoon's of natural peanut butter right before going to bed
Water intake is around 1 gallon to 1.5 gallons a day
Current supplements:
Lean FX ( 4 times daily has been working much better then the recommended 3)
100% WHEY protein (glutamine +BCAA's mixed w/ mixer) : started at 2 times weekly, up to 3 to 4 times depending on my soreness
animal pak 11 tabs Could tell a Huge different in how I feel throughout the day
Omega 3: fish oil : 6 daily
Alpha lipoic acid(APA): ALA prevents carbs from being stored as fat. It mimics insulin and helps maintain blood sugar levels without the body having to release insulin. This is very important in fat loss
Slim Xtreme: once in early morning
Since I'm cutting I'm lifting heavy with low reps to try to keep my strength up to lose fat, and maintain(enhance) lean muscle.. So far on this diet my strength has actually increase a lot.
2 Rotations 2X8
2 Rotations 2X6
Back to first rotation
Day 1:
Chest
4X8 - DB Bench
4X8 - DB butterflies
4X8 - DB Pullover
4X8 - DB Incline
4X8 - Front Lat pull downs
Day 2:
Back/ shoulders
4X8 DB military press
4X8 Dead lift
4X8 Rows w/ machine
4X8 Standing Single DB lateral and frontal raises
4X8 Shrugs
Day 3:
Biceps / triceps
4X8 Close grip bench press
4X8 Bar curls (with the short curly bar)
4x8 Triceps pull down w/ machine
2X8 DB curls 2 X8 DB lateral chest curls..- when you curl with DB but you bring the DB towards your opposite pec.
4X8 DB triceps
4X8 Lawnmowers
Day 4:
Legs
4X8 Squat - light weight usually for my warm-up, don't like heavy squats- very bad knee problems
4X8 power clean
4X8 leg press
4X8 step ups w/ weight
4X8 Stationary Box DB Lunges
4X8 Side Abs w/ DB weight (50-60 lbs)
Day 5:
is either back to day 1, or an off day for lifting. But i continue the cardio and HITT training.
After I lift I do jump rope for 3 minutes 45 seconds normal , 15 second HARD AND FAST AS POSSIBLE
Then I do 10 minutes of HITT biking. (50 seconds normal/ 10 seconds full out sprint + Increased resistance.)
nightside1234
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You are correct about the protein shake, only 2 grams a serving. Everyones body is completely different. I have tested my ketosis stage and carb intake, Carbs obviously dont like me, I know some people like to carb up one or two times a week, but for me It totally ruins me.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
I know that there will be some that disagree, but low carbohydrates like that is NOT good for your body; and anything less than 50-100g of carbohydrates on a prolonged basis is not IMO that great either, and completely UNnecesary (you can get and STAY lean, etc. on high carbohydrates; trust me; I have at least 3-4 times my body mass in pounds daily and I stay less than 10% BF all year round).
As for the water question, in the US the water can be an issue (and I understand now why those preparing for competition use distilled water; in NZ this is not an issue and we can use tap water regardless) since it has chlorine and lots of other chemicals in it.
PS. Note to boxrocker; please do not EVER call me Rosanne; it is ROSIE!
~Rosie
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UnrealMachine
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Speak for yourselves.
Some of us are carb sensitive, i've been around 325p/150c/100f for the last couple months, and lower carbs on non-lifting days, seems to WORK for me, high carbs = fat gains
And you guys missed the point completely. He's trying to cut. Low carbs works better for a cut, scientifically proven, no arguments please. The level of success varies but this guy has already tried and KNOWS what's best.
Why you're telling someone on a cut to run higher carbs is beyond me.... read his post more thoroughly...
If you want to be vascular, keep dieting to sub 10% bodyfat. When you reintroduce carbs in a moderate amount, your muscles will swole up a bit and some veins will pop. Other than that, get a pump... Juice? lol.... It's mostly a function of genetics and bodyfat, and just being generally warm/pumped.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
I am. And I AM "carb sensitive". And yes, I KNOW that what works for one person does not always work for another.However, one CAN successfully cut without having to go to extremes with carbohydrate intake. Even 50-100g of carbohydrates daily (which is far from being HIGH, but is definitely higher than what he is on) is better than what he is having, and will help him lose fat faster.
~Rosie
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droppinplates
Banned
Mostly genetics and bodyfat levels.
The skinnier I get, the more vascular I get.
Might be just me, though.
The skinnier I get, the more vascular I get.
Might be just me, though.
strategicmove
Legend
EasyEJL
Never enough
i've for the past 6 months been able to watch vascularity improve basically daily, or every couple of days. I've not become hugely leaner, or all that much larger in that time, but have been doing a little of both, plus seeing strength increases. As travis mentioned, muscle density (hardness) also plays a part as the muscle will have some tendency to push the veins out. today I noticed a new vein peeking out on upper chest between collarbone + sternum, and my shin veins were pretty noticeable too, a wacky zig zag down the front on one leg
TravisG
Active member
Low carbs do equal lean gains for most individuals and everyone does respond differently, but even on a cut 10g of carbs is not good for your body or even holding onto muscle gains. at 100g daily it completely depletes your glycogen stores so I see no need to go below that even for sensitive individuals.
nosnmiveins
Well-known member
thats cause u got "old man" veins Easy :laugh2:
EasyEJL
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jbryand101b
Banned
reading this from an exercise science majors point of view is interesting. not a whole lot of data based facts going on here, just bro science.....
on the bro science point, what works for you as an idividual works for you, but not for the next guy.
carb intake can be simple, what most people in here are saying is simply the easy way, and if you want it easy and simple, it's the right way. if you are eating carbs, exercising on a regular basis, watching other things you eat, you will probably be okay.
the sticky part of this is that different levels of activity use different fuel sources. for example, walking, your body will use mostly fat stores to burn. and very little carbs. running a marathon, you body will use mostly carbs. and long story short, there is an inbetween that uses fat the best.
also, when you run out of glycogen stores, you body will start to get it's calories to make energy else where. and this is where what level of intensity the exercise you are doing matters.
one can take in very low carbs, but he better be making up the calories else where, hopefully protien, as the body will go for protien first and then fat last.
in the end, it isn't just how many carbs you take in, but what level you are exercising at, and how many calories you are getting, and what of.
one can go low carb, as long as they make up for it with enough protien. how much, well, thats a subject with a little more time needed and varies person to person. first step is to find out your e.d.e.e. (estimated daily energy expenditure i.e. how many calories you burn each day)
me personally, without adding in cardio, on a normal day, I burn through almost 3,000kcals each day. so if I want to gain weight, I go from there, and increase cals, or if I want to drop it, i decrease.
on the bro science point, what works for you as an idividual works for you, but not for the next guy.
carb intake can be simple, what most people in here are saying is simply the easy way, and if you want it easy and simple, it's the right way. if you are eating carbs, exercising on a regular basis, watching other things you eat, you will probably be okay.
the sticky part of this is that different levels of activity use different fuel sources. for example, walking, your body will use mostly fat stores to burn. and very little carbs. running a marathon, you body will use mostly carbs. and long story short, there is an inbetween that uses fat the best.
also, when you run out of glycogen stores, you body will start to get it's calories to make energy else where. and this is where what level of intensity the exercise you are doing matters.
one can take in very low carbs, but he better be making up the calories else where, hopefully protien, as the body will go for protien first and then fat last.
in the end, it isn't just how many carbs you take in, but what level you are exercising at, and how many calories you are getting, and what of.
one can go low carb, as long as they make up for it with enough protien. how much, well, thats a subject with a little more time needed and varies person to person. first step is to find out your e.d.e.e. (estimated daily energy expenditure i.e. how many calories you burn each day)
me personally, without adding in cardio, on a normal day, I burn through almost 3,000kcals each day. so if I want to gain weight, I go from there, and increase cals, or if I want to drop it, i decrease.