What if I dont PCT..?

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I have been completely off stack for about 2 weeks (i kept taking the s roid alone) and off the rest of the stuff for about 4-6 weeks. However, for about three months I stacked
Hardcore Formulations:
Epidrol 30 mg per day
S Roid 20 mg per day
Competitive Edge:
H Drol 20 mg per day
Elipse:
HMB

I gained alot in terms of strength and real muscle. I started to use black china labs superdex xtreme pct but never completely finished it, I have like 10pills left.

I know that one should pct when doing using artificial hormone related supps, but if I dont because the stuff is "natural" or at least thats how it was explained to me and not real injectable gear, will I be ok just being off it for a while and letting it filter out my system naturally?

Im not new to training but I am new to prohormones. How long would you guys recommend before I start to use another stack and any suggestions on a new stack to try?

in terms of side effects they have not really been any, Ive always had acne on my shoulders, no real aggression besides in the gym, but my nipples are puffier than normal but they dont have tenderness in them...

i need help thanks
 
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Problem is- after 4-6 weeks of using these compounds (which are, by the way anabolic,androgenic, steroids) your natty testosterone production is at a halt. Without proper PCT, you will lose all that muscle you gained, risk developing gynecomastia from the estrogen build up in your body, and possibly destroy your endocrine system and never produce testosterone again.

You really need a SERM:Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator... and really needed one before you started the cycle
 
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wow.... you were on a lot of **** for a long time... not so good for the body, you'll def want some form of hardcore pct and maybe a trip to the doctor to get yourself checked out
 
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And this may be the wrong section/subforum for your question, but don't bother moving it (not sure if that's possible), as you will most likely be flamed for not cycling properly, but yea those are definetely potent products and deserve proper PCT so I'd get a serm, quick
 
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i would say you need clomid and nolva cuz your **** is gonna be SHUT DOWN, and dependin on whether or not you use support supps your liver profiles and blood pressure will be f'd
 
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And this may be the wrong section/subforum for your question, but don't bother moving it (not sure if that's possible), as you will most likely be flamed for not cycling properly,
Yeah people that would of did the same thing you did if they didn't find these forums will call you names to feel intelligent or big about themselves.

I did a cycle of Dbol in 97 with no PCT and lost gains but kept some and had no regrets. Then a few years later did a Sustanon cycle with no PCT and when I went off cycle I had horrible panic attacks and unbearable anxiety. I am sure it is to my hormones being out of wack. It was so bad I was put on medication and it lasted for about 5 months. Definitely was not fun.

YOU ARE NOT TAKING "NATURAL SUBSTANCES". That is why people get in to these situations. They assume because it is legal it is safe. Most supplement companies don't put real warnings on their products probably due to fear of loss sales or fear of the FDA at the risk of the consumer for the sake of their profits. These are real steroids.
 
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I have been completely off stack for about 2 weeks (i kept taking the s roid alone) and off the rest of the stuff for about 4-6 weeks. However, for about three months I stacked
Hardcore Formulations:
Epidrol 30 mg per day
S Roid 20 mg per day
Competitive Edge:
H Drol 20 mg per day
Elipse:
HMB

I gained alot in terms of strength and real muscle. I started to use black china labs superdex xtreme pct but never completely finished it, I have like 10pills left.

I know that one should pct when doing using artificial hormone related supps, but if I dont because the stuff is "natural" or at least thats how it was explained to me and not real injectable gear, will I be ok just being off it for a while and letting it filter out my system naturally?

Im not new to training but I am new to prohormones. How long would you guys recommend before I start to use another stack and any suggestions on a new stack to try?

in terms of side effects they have not really been any, Ive always had acne on my shoulders, no real aggression besides in the gym, but my nipples are puffier than normal but they dont have tenderness in them...

i need help thanks
Holy crap dude, do you poop white? that is a ton of stress on the liver, too many orals at once bro. Did you really stack all that stuff for 12 weeks? I couldn't imagine the lethargy you must feel, it would have started around week 7 or 8, and now you would need to sleep probably 16 hours a day.
 
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I speed read it the first time and just reread it. Damn dude. You got gyno, you're shut down, after 12 weeks your lipids are probably that of someone about to have a stroke or heart attack. I would beat the living **** out of whoever guided you through this "cycle". He pretty much ****ed you up for the time being and gave you advice that could potentially **** you up for life.
 
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you really need to go to a doctor man... you did some serious stuff for a long time...
 
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OH S***! He did say three months! I missed that ... hey man are you still alive?
 
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lol I was really hoping that this was a joke..... :/ you should go to the doc and get some tests ran.
 

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I have been completely off stack for about 2 weeks (i kept taking the s roid alone) and off the rest of the stuff for about 4-6 weeks. However, for about three months I stacked
Hardcore Formulations:
Epidrol 30 mg per day
S Roid 20 mg per day
Competitive Edge:
H Drol 20 mg per day
Elipse:
HMB

I gained alot in terms of strength and real muscle. I started to use black china labs superdex xtreme pct but never completely finished it, I have like 10pills left.

I know that one should pct when doing using artificial hormone related supps, but if I dont because the stuff is "natural" or at least thats how it was explained to me and not real injectable gear, will I be ok just being off it for a while and letting it filter out my system naturally?

Im not new to training but I am new to prohormones. How long would you guys recommend before I start to use another stack and any suggestions on a new stack to try?

in terms of side effects they have not really been any, Ive always had acne on my shoulders, no real aggression besides in the gym, but my nipples are puffier than normal but they dont have tenderness in them...

i need help thanks
Why the hell would you stack 5-6 steroids when you are new to the game?
You need to see a doctor FAST and tell them the truth on what you took.

You are the reason stuff gets banned!
 
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key word....WERE lol
 
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I bet his gains were nice. lol
yeah bro - he'll look huge in the coffin.

OP - you need to be asking PCT questions before starting.
 
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These threads pop up a lot I noticed and the original poster never posts again. Think they are BS? I am going to start ignoring them.
 
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It's a sad fact that they are most likely true. Guy realizes he messed up and is probably too ashamed to post again once he learns the truth. Also sad is the fact that guys nowadays don't feel like real men unless they can get pumped up and swole up like Arnold. Sadder even than that is the supplement companies that take advantage of this mentality and allow us to ingest sh!t that ain't fit for a horse. Good lordy, what are we coming to?
 
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These threads pop up a lot I noticed and the original poster never posts again. Think they are BS? I am going to start ignoring them.
on the one hand i can see the OP being too embarrassed to ever log back into AM but on the other hand maybe it is someone testing the forum out - seeing the the advice being given is legit? Here's hoping.
 
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on the one hand i can see the OP being too embarrassed to ever log back into AM but on the other hand maybe it is someone testing the forum out - seeing the the advice being given is legit? Here's hoping.
Yea there was one not long ago where the guy was asking what pct was and had finished his cycle. He said he was taking some "milk thistler" though. lol
 
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I researched probably a full 2 or 3 months before embarking in to steroids (the second time). The first time I took "my guys" advice and took Dbol and blew up and shrunk right back up. I hate when people take a holier than thou attitude when replying to posts.

"You sir are an idiot for doing that", etc. I try to be helpful to even the biggest of idiots. I also hate when everyones answer is "use the search button". We were all newbies at once. I try to be patient as possible. I blame the ease of obtaining these hormones OTC and the supplement companies and stores for not having real warnings. They do to a point. Even Tylenol now warns their product if misused can result in serious injury or death.
 
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you when right after you are like S$$T i should have rubbered up sometimes?? haha well you just did that in a big way.

man you need to NEED TO go see a doc, get blood tests, get nolva, get clomid and do PCT even if it is late. research chems are easy to get.

1) get some Cycle support from nutra planet and dose that twice a day to help your liver
2) DO A PCT even if late
3) get a doctor if you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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It's important that we be tough on noobs that do stupid things that will adversely affect their health, this way when other noobs use the search button doing their research, they'll know the difference between right, wrong and stupid. I know this worked for me when I was researching!:food:
 
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It's important that we be tough on noobs that do stupid things that will adversely affect their health, this way when other noobs use the search button doing their research, they'll know the difference between right, wrong and stupid. I know this worked for me when I was researching!:food:
Well guys like us use our brains. 90% of newbs are idiots. lol. Totally contradicted myself there.
 
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You guys got this guy laying curled up crying in his bathtub with the shower running thinking his nuts are gonna fall off and hes gonna grow boobs, or maybe hes just gonna die.



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Its not like hes the first and certainly isnt going to be the last to do something stupid.

Anybody think of maybe just pointing him right over to this thread:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html#post820505

No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

:bigeyes:
 
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I have been completely off stack for about 2 weeks (i kept taking the s roid alone) and off the rest of the stuff for about 4-6 weeks. However, for about three months I stacked
Hardcore Formulations:
Epidrol 30 mg per day
S Roid 20 mg per day
Competitive Edge:
H Drol 20 mg per day
Elipse:
HMB

I gained alot in terms of strength and real muscle. I started to use black china labs superdex xtreme pct but never completely finished it, I have like 10pills left.

I know that one should pct when doing using artificial hormone related supps, but if I dont because the stuff is "natural" or at least thats how it was explained to me and not real injectable gear, will I be ok just being off it for a while and letting it filter out my system naturally?

Im not new to training but I am new to prohormones. How long would you guys recommend before I start to use another stack and any suggestions on a new stack to try?

in terms of side effects they have not really been any, Ive always had acne on my shoulders, no real aggression besides in the gym, but my nipples are puffier than normal but they dont have tenderness in them...

i need help thanks
dude, are you serious? if so, come to us before you run anything else in the future. asking after the fact leads me to believe you might be full of it, but maybe not. either way, i would suggest going to the doc, but you probably won't. again come to us before you run anything again.
 
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i would get my liver checked before anything else
 
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agreed
 

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im still here, i havent been on the site for a while because last time i tried to log in the site was down. And after my original post I didnt hear anything so I figured Id have to research and get help on my own.

in response to all of your questions I am still very much alive, im not lethargic and have been in consultation with a endocronogist and gotten several labs and tests ran. My prolactin and hcg levels are all good and normal, my ldl cholestoral was slightly elevated by 5 points and my estrogen levels were elevated but thats normal. In terms of me ****ting white or being ****ed up permanently I dont think Im in that boat either.

The only test that I am waiting on is my testosterone test to come back, other wards im fine. My strength and size have not really depleted. If anything ive only noticed that I wasnt as hard as I was when I was on this stuff, but that dissipated when I started incorporating more cardio into my regimens.

I took milk thistle all the while I took that stuff. My kidney function tests showed no damage but my liver enzymes showed some slight irritation. So all in all I would say Im healthy and blessed to not have "fu**** myself up for life"

It was extremely dumb of me to not consider all the risks associated with taking these things but again my niavety about the subject led me to believe that because I wasnt injecting "real" gear i was safe. I dont like to consider myself a dumbass but I got caught up in the quest to be huge.

Thank you for all the positive and helpful comments, the others just ripping on me while unessecary Im sure I deserved for being a dumbass. But hey live and learn right?
 
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People just get upset because that is how stuff gets banned.

Glad your okay tho dude.
 
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Incredible that you didn't suffer any other type of sides, but everyone's different, years ago people didn't even know what PCT was. I would be interested in how your testosterone levels check out. But like fightback said glad that you are o.k.

Me personally I get shut down fairly quick with any type of PH. Good luck to you in your future mass building endeavors.

People just get upset because that is how stuff gets banned.

Glad your okay tho dude.


Agreed. Let's say that instead of being seemingly okay like you (nbtweenstage is) that someone would have had complete liver shutdown or something terrible like that and died. It only provides more ammunition for our enemies (cough cough the ever so kudzu creeping FDA and other anti supplement cronies).

Just my 2 cents,
WB
 

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I know this isn't really helpful advice for PCT, but the positive and functional responses on this website really have helped a lot of people and its nice to see that people are not simply pushed away as they are with the vast variety of other websites. We all make mistakes, but this board follows with the education and respectable restraint :yumyum:
 
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Incredible that you didn't suffer any other type of sides, but everyone's different, years ago people didn't even know what PCT was. I would be interested in how your testosterone levels check out. But like fightback said glad that you are o.k.

Me personally I get shut down fairly quick with any type of PH. Good luck to you in your future mass building endeavors.

People just get upset because that is how stuff gets banned.

Glad your okay tho dude.


Agreed. Let's say that instead of being seemingly okay like you (nbtweenstage is) that someone would have had complete liver shutdown or something terrible like that and died. It only provides more ammunition for our enemies (cough cough the ever so kudzu creeping FDA and other anti supplement cronies).

Just my 2 cents,
WB
thats because ppl tapperd down and didnt just come off sh1t, also take in account the doseage of the passd were much less... like dbol its 5mg to 10mg
not 20,25,or 30mg commonly run by ppl today
 
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Agreed...the smart ones tapered down and didn't stop cold turkey :)
 

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got my test levels back today. everything was in the normal range. my total test levels were toward the low end of the spectrum for someone my age but still nothing abnormal and my free testosterone was high.

Im a month off from taking anything. So yeah go figure.
 
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glad your'e alright man
 

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so what were your gains like? weight, lifts etc.
 
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he hasnt logged in a while
i think he died
hes chillin with this guy
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jesus man if i was you i would definatly be dead.
i didnt pct after ONE oral cycle and was messed up for months with no libido depression
concentration ect. definatly have to put in the research next time
unfortunatly some ppl like us learn the hard way
its a dangerous game.
 
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a local store from where i live carries hardcore formulations, and advertise it as "natural." I went in there and the dumbass told me yea you can take sroid (dirty superdrol clone) for 3 months at a time no pct needed. Bro you need pct big time, especially with sroid, 8/10 people i know who have taken it have gained alot of size with it, but also all got bitch tits from it. Good to hear test levels are somewhat ok, but dont **** around with this stuff anymore until you research. This stuff is a science in itself if you havent figured it out by now.
 
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stumbled across this thread...I don't believe it's real because there is no way you would be fine after that.
 

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Whatever you do, just make sure to add in either a cycle support or life support. You're body needs some cleansing.
 
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=shriveled testicles.
 

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