What do YOU want to see next from EBF

EBF Inc said:
Still testing it.

Debating on using 1 bulk ingredient which has been treating me amazing or multiple ingredients.

Took 3 pics from after the gym. Up a few lbs n just as lean if not Leaner. Autokal was sent the pic I took he saw the changes.
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I have seen the pix
and I can confirm boys, the results are impressive, up in weight and size and leaner, and in a very short time frame
 
EBF Inc said:
High dosed osthole :).

Will report with studies when I confirm what I want to use.
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The ability to reduce triglyceride levels in the liver, possesses anti-inflammatory effects, and potential as an anti-breast cancer agent: Seems pretty good!

However, i do have a question regarding Osthole's ability to glucose uptake through AMPk in skeletal muscles and it being used as a muscle-building product.

So, AMPk activation inhibits glycogen storage and increases glucose uptake. Therefore, it seems to help improve insulin sensitivity and in skeletal muscles AMPk activation increases fatty acid oxidation.

AMPk is "turned on" when the cellular energy state of the cells drops. From what I have read, AMPk turns off energetically costly processes like protein synthesis and turns on energy producing processes like glucose and fat oxidation.

Now here lies my question.

Can leucine's activation of mTOR override AMPk's suppression of mTOR during exercise and continue to let growth occur?

This isn't my field, so if I am amiss please correct me.
 
AutoKal47 said:
I have seen the pix
and I can confirm boys, the results are impressive, up in weight and size and leaner, and in a very short time frame
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Nice! This might be the answer for which I have been looking. I don't need help in the testosterone/libido department, but I would like to take advantage of a product that promotes muscle growth.
 
Did some more research. It seems likely that you are going to need extremely large doses of Osthole due to it being a hydrophobic/poorly soluble compound with limited bio-availability.
 
domore said:
Did some more research. It seems likely that you are going to need extremely large doses of Osthole due to it being a hydrophobic/poorly soluble compound with limited bio-availability.
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What do you consider extreme.

There will be an ingredient to aid availability
 
EBF Inc said:
What do you consider extreme.

There will be an ingredient to aid availability
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Good to hear! I'm not sure of what the upper bounds of an extreme dose would be. I came to that conclusion through the studies I have read. I just found some information and other people saying that it in order for it to have any AR-transcriptional activity the doses would need to be high.
 
Read that too, but is AR stimulation the only mechanism it works through?

EBF, you said you had been taking this. I've read multiple times that osthole is A PDE-5 inhibitor. Any effect in the erection department?

Also read about stomach issues and feeling sick. Anything here?
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Read that too, but is AR stimulation the only mechanism it works through?

EBF, you said you had been taking this. I've read multiple times that osthole is A PDE-5 inhibitor. Any effect in the erection department?

Also read about stomach issues and feeling sick. Anything here?
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At 400 mg per day it's good

I'm using 1800-2000 mg osthole per day. That's erections fine if stimulation is there otherwise I am always busy do don't notice much. Strength n leanest is pronounced at the dose I'm using
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Read that too, but is AR stimulation the only mechanism it works through?

EBF, you said you had been taking this. I've read multiple times that osthole is A PDE-5 inhibitor. Any effect in the erection department?

Also read about stomach issues and feeling sick. Anything here?
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As far as stomach issues. None what so ever
 
EBF Inc said:
At 400 mg per day it's good

I'm using 1800-2000 mg osthole per day. That's erections fine if stimulation is there otherwise I am always busy do don't notice much. Strength n leanest is pronounced at the dose I'm using
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wow not stomach cramps or killing headaches? and BTW did you read my pm Sir.
 
MAxximal said:
wow not stomach cramps or killing headaches? and BTW did you read my pm Sir.
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Yes. I haven't gotten a chance to get back to you as of yet

No cramps or headaches. When increasing dose to 600mg the first 2x I did get light headed. Subsided after that though
 
Muscle builder sounds interesting. Can't wait to see what you come up with!
 
EBF Inc said:
At 400 mg per day it's good

I'm using 1800-2000 mg osthole per day. That's erections fine if stimulation is there otherwise I am always busy do don't notice much. Strength n leanest is pronounced at the dose I'm using
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Nice hefty dose!
 
EBF Inc said:
No cramps or headaches. When increasing dose to 600mg the first 2x I did get light headed. Subsided after that though
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Yeah, but your supperhuman. How much capsicium do you take a day?
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Yeah, but your supperhuman. How much capsicium do you take a day?
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I have stopped aav2 to test the osthole.

I would take about 14mg capsaicinoids a day. When I was using it.
 
EBF Inc said:
I have stopped aav2 to test the osthole.

I would take about 14mg capsaicinoids a day. When I was using it.
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Fat just meltin off ;)
 
domore said:
How are we doing EBF?
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Not to bad. I think the dose of osthole I'm using is way to high. Throat issues since like 2 days after dosing at 1800-2000 mg. I had same effects and no sides at 800-1200mg.

Libido is there. Wood seems to not w as strong at these doses however not seeing anyone and been stressed lately so well see if that changes
 
EBF Inc said:
Not to bad. I think the dose of osthole I'm using is way to high. Throat issues since like 2 days after dosing at 1800-2000 mg. I had same effects and no sides at 800-1200mg.

Libido is there. Wood seems to not w as strong at these doses however not seeing anyone and been stressed lately so well see if that changes
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Being your own guinea pig? I'll help out :)
 
Not sure if you're still taking ideas but, I've got a few a natural Androstenedione, booster could increase test and doesn't seem anyone making one.
A full spectrum alpha adrenergic receptor 2 supplement a lot of fat loss pathways with it and libido boost.
A insulin booster and sensitiser , since insulin has a lot of anabolic/fat loss properties could be a hit.
And Myristoleic Acid could have anabolic effects although not too researched.
 
smaxie said:
Not sure if you're still taking ideas but, I've got a few a natural Androstenedione, booster could increase test and doesn't seem anyone making one.
A full spectrum alpha adrenergic receptor 2 supplement a lot of fat loss pathways with it and libido boost.
A insulin booster and sensitiser , since insulin has a lot of anabolic/fat loss properties could be a hit.
And Myristoleic Acid could have anabolic effects although not too researched.
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The idea of an AI is potential but what we need to accomplish is some DIFFERENT to all the others. It's easy to chuck in some dhea metabolite with some herbs but we are looking for innovation.
Thanks for the ideas man...glad you dropped in...any more, please let us know.
 
runner_79 said:
The idea of an AI is potential but what we need to accomplish is some DIFFERENT to all the others. It's easy to chuck in some dhea metabolite with some herbs but we are looking for innovation.
Thanks for the ideas man...glad you dropped in...any more, please let us know.
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Differentiation by using innovative, yet effective, ingredients in their supplements; EBF is doing it right.
 
I'm loving the muscle booster so far.

The stack options for the main ingredient is unlimited.

I like the idea or ArA with the osthole

I need to experiment with that next.
 
I tend to keep up with what there is demand for. Lots of companies put out redundant products. Two things I know are heavily requested by the Supp community are:

A transdermal Epiandrosterone(stanodrol). I'd like to see this with some DHEA. Maybe 75mg.

A natural PDE-5 inhibitor. I know you have Natty-V, but a product with a 50+% Icariin extract would be nice. Icariin has some body building properties too.

These would easily put EBF on the map.

Just look at what BPS did with Dermacrine.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
I tend to keep up with what there is demand for. Lots of companies put out redundant products. Two things I know are heavily requested by the Supp community are:

A transdermal Epiandrosterone(stanodrol). I'd like to see this with some DHEA. Maybe 75mg.

A natural PDE-5 inhibitor. I know you have Natty-V, but a product with a 50+% Icariin extract would be nice. Icariin has some body building properties too.

These would easily put EBF on the map.

Just look at what BPS did with Dermacrine.
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I want to stay away from ropicals for now

Icariin with osthole aids thyroid function.

As far as bodybuilding properties I haven't noticed much aside from a little pump.

Maybe I need to dose higher
 
Ape McGrapes said:
I tend to keep up with what there is demand for. Lots of companies put out redundant products. Two things I know are heavily requested by the Supp community are:

A transdermal Epiandrosterone(stanodrol). I'd like to see this with some DHEA. Maybe 75mg.

A natural PDE-5 inhibitor. I know you have Natty-V, but a product with a 50+% Icariin extract would be nice. Icariin has some body building properties too.

These would easily put EBF on the map.

Just look at what BPS did with Dermacrine.
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Looks like Prototype fulfilled your request.
 
Things are great. Added in another ingredient yesterday. Will test for 3 weeks on strength and muscle fullness. The. I'll add a fourth ingredient.

Strength is way up. Libido high. Bodyfat the same or within a percent. Deeper cuts. Mainly from increased muscle mass and fullness.

Pump is there from osthole but it isn't crazy.

I'm looking a full dose pre workout and on non workout half dose morning half dose night.
 
EBF Inc said:
Things are great. Added in another ingredient yesterday. Will test for 3 weeks on strength and muscle fullness. The. I'll add a fourth ingredient.

Strength is way up. Libido high. Bodyfat the same or within a percent. Deeper cuts. Mainly from increased muscle mass and fullness.

Pump is there from osthole but it isn't crazy.

I'm looking a full dose pre workout and on non workout half dose morning half dose night.
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Delish
 
EBF Inc said:
Things are great. Added in another ingredient yesterday. Will test for 3 weeks on strength and muscle fullness. The. I'll add a fourth ingredient.

Strength is way up. Libido high. Bodyfat the same or within a percent. Deeper cuts. Mainly from increased muscle mass and fullness.

Pump is there from osthole but it isn't crazy.

I'm looking a full dose pre workout and on non workout half dose morning half dose night.
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I'm glad to hear it is going well. I'm looking forward to this having a few bottles right on my counter!
 
EBF Inc said:
Things are great. Added in another ingredient yesterday. Will test for 3 weeks on strength and muscle fullness. The. I'll add a fourth ingredient.

Strength is way up. Libido high. Bodyfat the same or within a percent. Deeper cuts. Mainly from increased muscle mass and fullness.

Pump is there from osthole but it isn't crazy.

I'm looking a full dose pre workout and on non workout half dose morning half dose night.
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I just gotta bump for the good people of Anabolic Minds.
 
domore said:
I just gotta bump for the good people of Anabolic Minds.
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Thanks bud.
Zach is a busy man the mad chemist he is ;)

Lookin forward to this new muscle builder
 
runner_79 said:
Thanks bud.
Zach is a busy man the mad chemist he is ;)

Lookin forward to this new muscle builder
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I'm recovering from surgery, and I'm an Olympic lifting. I definitely want to give this a go to get to where I was before.
 
domore said:
I'm recovering from surgery, and I'm an Olympic lifting. I definitely want to give this a go to get to where I was before.
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Definitely man. Get well soon. Still need to add an ingredient
 
domore said:
Hey EBF,

Just my couple week check up. How's it coming?
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Things good

I been playing with l dopa. That one is hard to get a nice dose I like pre workout

I have 2 extracts I been playing with. One drags me down post workout. But gives a better workout

The other not so much. May have to remove it and look into another ingredient

There definitely needs to be an ai

Gotta find one I like that's herbal with some science behind it
 
EBF Inc said:
Things good

I been playing with l dopa. That one is hard to get a nice dose I like pre workout

I have 2 extracts I been playing with. One drags me down post workout. But gives a better workout

The other not so much. May have to remove it and look into another ingredient

There definitely needs to be an ai

Gotta find one I like that's herbal with some science behind it
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Sounds like you have some ideas brewing. I think Natty has experimented with L-Dopa preworkout, and he said that he enjoyed it. With what you just said, I'm assuming you are still trying to have the dosing be preworkout and one other time?
 
Yea I found the one extract I liked but may take too much capsule room. It 15% extract.

Ive been on te osthole a while. Need consistent food intake on that bc if cals drop your dropping weight and getting leaner even at a little surplus

I also found it needs an ai. Nothing too strong tho.

We will see what comes of it
 
domore said:
What is causing the need for an ai?
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From what I experience either the length of time I've been on it or the dose.

But the dose was fine the first couple months. Just added the ai and ha libido and my member up and running crazy
 
EBF Inc said:
From what I experience either the length of time I've been on it or the dose.

But the dose was fine the first couple months. Just added the ai and ha libido and my member up and running crazy
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Of osthole, correct?

High libido...always a good thing.
 
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