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Well Thought Out Cycle - help

buster0371

buster0371

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Hey all, I really really wanna do a cycle of PH or AAS. I'm scared to pin though. I have done some research and have a lot of lifting exp and years under my belt.

Stats:
5'7"
165 lbs (approx)
9%bf

I would like to bulk, gain strength, and harden up. So with these goals in mind i decided to run a cycle looking like:

week 1-6: 4-ad by AMS 160mg ed
week 1-2: Superdrol 10mg/10mg
week 2-6: havoc or epistane (thoughts?) 20/30/30/40

PCT
week 7-10 clomid: 50/50/25/25
week 7-10 Tore: How should i dose?
week 7-12DTH: 6 pills ed
week 9-12 Formestane (transdermal): 50/100/100/100/50

I figured the 4-ad would be like a testosterone base, the superdrol would kickstart me, and the epi would combat any estrogen problems and yield nice hard gains!

What yall think?
 
diet on cycle:
minimum of 3,500 calories a day (ecto/meso)
180 grams of protein minimum per day
as much clean carbs as i can eat

Sups:
omega 3 fish oil
cycle support
protein (pro complex)
taurine
glutamine
waxi maize
bcaa

Training:
day1 - chest, shoulders, abs
day 2 - legs, abs, forearms
day 3 - Back, Traps
day 4- REST
repeat
 
Unfortunately oral 4-ad is supposed to be dosed around 600-800mg a day so... you'll need a lot more.

That than that I think it looks pretty solid

Do 200g of protein minimum at least

pct looks good... toremifene i'd just run a low dose to go alongside the clomid like 60/30/30 or something, 2-3 weeks would be fine IMO. Also i would do clomid 50/50/50/50, you are still going up in natural test levels during week 3 and 4 of PCT.

looks good, the concept behind it is solid just needs more 4-ad.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Unfortunately oral 4-ad is supposed to be dosed around 600-800mg a day so... you'll need a lot more.

That than that I think it looks pretty solid

Do 200g of protein minimum at least

pct looks good... toremifene i'd just run a low dose to go alongside the clomid like 60/30/30 or something, 2-3 weeks would be fine IMO. Also i would do clomid 50/50/50/50, you are still going up in natural test levels during week 3 and 4 of PCT.

looks good, the concept behind it is solid just needs more 4-ad.
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ok great!!!!

yeah the new 4-ad utt says only one serving in the morning and one serving in the evening MAX! i thought about doubleing up those servings but they say dont excede 2 servings a day so whatever... Your talking about the pills. im talking the under the tounge(utt) dosage
 
buster0371 said:
Hey all, I really really wanna do a cycle of PH or AAS. I'm scared to pin though. I have done some research and have a lot of lifting exp and years under my belt.

Stats:
5'7"
165 lbs (approx)
9%bf

I would like to bulk, gain strength, and harden up. So with these goals in mind i decided to run a cycle looking like:

week 1-6: 4-ad by AMS 160mg ed
week 1-2: Superdrol 10mg/10mg
week 2-6: havoc or epistane (thoughts?) 20/30/30/40

PCT
week 7-10 clomid: 50/50/25/25
week 7-10 Tore: How should i dose?
week 7-12DTH: 6 pills ed
week 9-12 Formestane (transdermal): 50/100/100/100/50

I figured the 4-ad would be like a testosterone base, the superdrol would kickstart me, and the epi would combat any estrogen problems and yield nice hard gains!

What yall think?
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Wtf happened to being natty? Like 2 weeks ago you said you were never going to do steroids ever. You have made fun of people for doing steroids. All of a sudden you want to run a stack with 3 hormones?

Give me a freaking break.
 
By the way, you haven't done sh*t for research, and you don't have YEARS under your belt. Stop lying through your teeth.
 
Why the change of heart Buster? You trying to become one of those ROID users? I agree with GMG that you have not researched enough. You have been on this board too long to think that 3 hormones is kinda nuts for a first cycle.

I do want to help and for your situation I would recommend sticking with Havoc and run a 20/30/40/40/40/40 cycle if you were determined to do a 6 week cycle. I actually did a cycle of Epistane for 6 weeks and honestly that last week had me excited to start PCT with lethargy and back pumps. I recommend you saving the SD for later because you should get great gains with Havoc alone.

Also, after you pop your cycle cherry (although you have used Formestane) lets see how long you wait before jumping on that train again. I have a feeling you will be eating your words and regretting some of the things you were saying about guys that have run multiple cycles.
 
I thought you were so anti sauce buster? WTF your so full of sh1t. Quit talking **** to people about using and then open a thread about your first cycle using multiples. What a joke. You are the meaning of tool you should play in traffic in the near future i hear it gets you huge if you make it out alive. Try that out! Seriously though pick a story and stick to it. I hate two faced b1tches. Oh and feel free to sign in as your girlfriend and start talking about how huge your d1ck is bahahahahahaha F@G
 
buster0371 said:
Hey all, I really really wanna do a cycle of PH or AAS. I'm scared to pin though. I have done some research and have a lot of lifting exp and years under my belt.

Stats:
5'7"
165 lbs (approx)
9%bf

I would like to bulk, gain strength, and harden up. So with these goals in mind i decided to run a cycle looking like:

week 1-6: 4-ad by AMS 160mg ed
week 1-2: Superdrol 10mg/10mg
week 2-6: havoc or epistane (thoughts?) 20/30/30/40

PCT
week 7-10 clomid: 50/50/25/25
week 7-10 Tore: How should i dose?
week 7-12DTH: 6 pills ed
week 9-12 Formestane (transdermal): 50/100/100/100/50

I figured the 4-ad would be like a testosterone base, the superdrol would kickstart me, and the epi would combat any estrogen problems and yield nice hard gains!

What yall think?
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Cycle looks great. Up the superdrol and epi dosage those are way to low. 50 mg on sd and 75mg on epi. I would throw some form in there too. The cycle legnth is way to short, I would run it minimum 10 weeks. All these guys are p#ssies here and run sh#t way to short. Youre gonna get HYUUGE. FTW.
 
BTW buster, weeks 2-6 for epi would be 5 weeks. Math obviously wasn't your subject in school.
 
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But you neva pop nothin
You said you a wanksta
And you need to stop frontin
You go to to the dealership
But you neva cop nothin
You been hustling a long time and you aint got nothin

Me Im no mobster
Me Im no ganster
Me Im no hitman,me Im just me,me
Me Im no actor
But its me you see on your t.v
Cause I hustle baby
This spanish **** is so easy
Im getting what you get for a brick to talk greasy
By any means, partner, I got to eat on these streets
 
bigmoe65 said:
Cycle looks great. Up the superdrol and epi dosage those are way to low. 50 mg on sd and 75mg on epi. I would throw some form in there too. The cycle legnth is way to short, I would run it minimum 10 weeks. All these guys are p#ssies here and run sh#t way to short. Youre gonna get HYUUGE. FTW.
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Is this for real lol
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
I actually did a cycle of Epistane for 6 weeks and honestly that last week had me excited to start PCT with lethargy and back pumps. I recommend you saving the SD for later because you should get great gains with Havoc alone.
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YUP. It's real exciting at the begining - then near the end I can't wait to feel "normal" again. Kind of like an acid trip...so I've heard.
 
I want to see what the Mdrol does to his pre-existing tren gyno. Oh yea, he never took tren... he just gained 40 pounds in 3 months natty... hahahaha.
 
Buster....oh buster...*shakes head*

Anyways, you aren't ready. You've said it yourself you weren't going to do anything...down to business though.

You need to run a single compound in order to gauge sides and such. A stack like this for your first is a recipe for disaster.

Your PCT is crap. You are estrogen levels are going to be so low the rebound is going to be sick. That PCT needs to be longer if you don't want rebound...Epi is dry. Combine that with the Formestane and you are asking for problems.

You only need the Clomid if you go that route as far as natty test going back up and such. Test booster isn't needed.

Lastly, just make up your mind. If you want to use a PH stack and have kick start, test base....blah blah blah, just PIN. Man up. I bet you can't source some good AAS...you are probably getting your SERMs research too.
 
MrBigPR said:
Buster....oh buster...*shakes head*

Anyways, you aren't ready. You've said it yourself you weren't going to do anything...down to business though.

You need to run a single compound in order to gauge sides and such. A stack like this for your first is a recipe for disaster.

Your PCT is crap. You are estrogen levels are going to be so low the rebound is going to be sick. That PCT needs to be longer if you don't want rebound...Epi is dry. Combine that with the Formestane and you are asking for problems.

You only need the Clomid if you go that route as far as natty test going back up and such. Test booster isn't needed.

Lastly, just make up your mind. If you want to use a PH stack and have kick start, test base....blah blah blah, just PIN. Man up. I bet you can't source some good AAS...you are probably getting your SERMs research too.
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nah your right, if im gonna do it i might as well do aas. What you think of test E 8wks jumpstart by epi 4 wks? i do have a legit source for aas but i did get my serms research.

i dont plan on running a cycle for at least 6 more months. but your probably right, im probably not close enough to my genetic potential to be messing around with hormones yet
 
buster0371 said:
nah your right, if im gonna do it i might as well do aas. What you think of test E 8wks jumpstart by epi 4 wks? i do have a legit source for aas but i did get my serms research.

i dont plan on running a cycle for at least 6 more months. but your probably right, im probably not close enough to my genetic potential to be messing around with hormones yet
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Once again your not ready. If you are using test for the first time why jumpstart? Test how you respon on just test. Also that is too short of a cycle for test e.
 
buster0371 said:
nah your right, if im gonna do it i might as well do aas. What you think of test E 8wks jumpstart by epi 4 wks? i do have a legit source for aas but i did get my serms research.

i dont plan on running a cycle for at least 6 more months. but your probably right, im probably not close enough to my genetic potential to be messing around with hormones yet
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Trust me youre ready, otherwise you wouldnt be thinking about it. Also run that test for 16 weeks.
 
buster0371 said:
nah your right, if im gonna do it i might as well do aas. What you think of test E 8wks jumpstart by epi 4 wks? i do have a legit source for aas but i did get my serms research.

i dont plan on running a cycle for at least 6 more months. but your probably right, im probably not close enough to my genetic potential to be messing around with hormones yet
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If you were going to use illegal AAS, why the f*ck would you jumpstart with epi? You are really showing how little research you have done.

Hman is right. If you are going to pop your cherry with a needle, you should just run Test-E or Test Cyp for 8-10 weeks at a very moderate dose.

If you gotta be a tough-guy and run a stack though here is what I suggest:

16 weeks test prop 100mg EOD
week 1-6 50mg anadrol
week 6-12 500mg Masteron
week 13-16 50mg Winstrol ED











... *just for safety's sake That last stack was a joke*
 
GMG760 said:
If you were going to use illegal AAS, why the f*ck would you jumpstart with epi? You are really showing how little research you have done.

Hman is right. If you are going to pop your cherry with a needle, you should just run Test-E or Test Cyp for 8-10 weeks at a very moderate dose.

If you gotta be a tough-guy and run a stack though here is what I suggest:

16 weeks test prop 100mg EOD
week 1-6 50mg anadrol
week 6-12 500mg Masteron
week 13-16 50mg Winstrol ED











... *just for safety's sake That last stack was a joke*
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With M1t and cheque drops ran through out.(at high doses with no pct)









joke #2
 
test e should be ran for 12 weeks minimum...i see nothing wrong with stacking otc steroids with your illegal aas...as many otc orals are very effective an dmuch cheaper than illegal orals. Personally i like to kickstart with a wet compound like phera and then end with something like epi. The illegal equivelant to this would be starting with a-bombs or dbol and ending with winny. this will not get you any better results and be much more expensive. I think you should change your name too.
 
mooch2321 said:
test e should be ran for 12 weeks minimum...i see nothing wrong with stacking otc steroids with your illegal aas...as many otc orals are very effective an dmuch cheaper than illegal orals. Personally i like to kickstart with a wet compound like phera and then end with something like epi. The illegal equivelant to this would be starting with a-bombs or dbol and ending with winny. this will not get you any better results and be much more expensive. I think you should change your name too.
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But do you agree on using one compound for anyones first cycle?
 
i definately agree with caution. I appreciate the fact that many on this board go overboard with caution, this is a much better scenario than whats on the other end of the spectrum. That being said, i see no reason a first time user couldnt kickstart a test cycle with an oral, especially with a long esther. The idea here would be to choose the right compounds, study the hell out of em, read other peoples logs who have ran similar cycles and know what to expect. I wouldnt hesitate to put the right person on an extremely in-depth and comprehensive first cycle. Take a guy like zero-v, he has been hanging out in the steroid forum for years. He has more knowledge and could probably give better advice than 80% of the guys who have ran a few cycles. I would love to put together and monitor a multi injectable cycle with an oral kickstart and ending for him. Rules are meant to be broken in the right situation. Now to end this ramble, i would like to say that Zero is one of the few guys i know that i think could try something like this.
 
mooch2321 said:
i definately agree with caution. I appreciate the fact that many on this board go overboard with caution, this is a much better scenario than whats on the other end of the spectrum. That being said, i see no reason a first time user couldnt kickstart a test cycle with an oral, especially with a long esther. The idea here would be to choose the right compounds, study the hell out of em, read other peoples logs who have ran similar cycles and know what to expect. I wouldnt hesitate to put the right person on an extremely in-depth and comprehensive first cycle. Take a guy like zero-v, he has been hanging out in the steroid forum for years. He has more knowledge and could probably give better advice than 80% of the guys who have ran a few cycles. I would love to put together and monitor a multi injectable cycle with an oral kickstart and ending for him. Rules are meant to be broken in the right situation. Now to end this ramble, i would like to say that Zero is one of the few guys i know that i think could try something like this.
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whats your take on anivar and stacking test e or test p with it?
 
Well, the first rule of taking steroids is to spell them correctly....ha! Anavar is a great compound for strength and fat burning, your not going to get huge on it. Its very harsh on your lipids, so this is something you must prepare for if you run it. Its also very expensive right now and IMO the cost does not justify the results. I would look at a longer esther like enanthate or cypionate as well, the propionate would involve too much pinning for a first cycle...IMO.
 
mooch2321 said:
i definately agree with caution. I appreciate the fact that many on this board go overboard with caution, this is a much better scenario than whats on the other end of the spectrum. That being said, i see no reason a first time user couldnt kickstart a test cycle with an oral, especially with a long esther. The idea here would be to choose the right compounds, study the hell out of em, read other peoples logs who have ran similar cycles and know what to expect. I wouldnt hesitate to put the right person on an extremely in-depth and comprehensive first cycle. Take a guy like zero-v, he has been hanging out in the steroid forum for years. He has more knowledge and could probably give better advice than 80% of the guys who have ran a few cycles. I would love to put together and monitor a multi injectable cycle with an oral kickstart and ending for him. Rules are meant to be broken in the right situation. Now to end this ramble, i would like to say that Zero is one of the few guys i know that i think could try something like this.
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While I agree with you, I think we are all giving Buster the wrong idea.

For the record, Buster, you are not one of these people Mooch is talking about, so don't get any weird ideas about "Mooch said it was cool for me to run some uber-cycle my first time."

Listen Buster - in all f*cking seriousness... Either run a straight, long esther test cycle with a simple PCT, or a SINGLE DS like with a straightforward PCT.

I will quote you from two weeks ago. You said this DIRECTLY to me on Teg's thread:

"I don't need to research hormones because I am never going to use them."

That being said, you need to go do your research if you are going to use them... and for your body's sake, don't jump the gun.
 
I think anyone doing a test cycle should run an oral for the first 4 weeks, the test isn't even working yet so it's not even really a stack, it's one compound and then you drop it as the second compound hits. So you know exactly what's coming from each. Any noob can handle that... Plus it's nice to start a test cycle when you're already up 10-15 pounds and have some gains to work off of.

This thread is funny though, Buster you sound like a very confused man
 
I agree with Unreal/Mooch, nothing wrong with running multiple compounds.. I am more a believer in lower/moderate doses, vs less compounds.

My first cycle was Dbol/Sust/Deca, and it was awesome.

Either way, do your research, and come to your own conclusions. First cycles are awesome, don't waste it, on some bull**** cycle. JMO.
 
ALRIGHT I GOT IT

after doing some research, talking to people, and from the feedback i've gotten here I've decided that I'm going to run Test E 500mg/week for 10 weeks. I cant decide if i want to run epistane in the first 4 though... PCT I'll have clomid AND tore. I'll have adex for on cycle. Oh, and cycle support.

I plan to run this cycle later in the fall or early winter.

Question: If I run epi for the first 4 weeks i wont need .25mg of adex a day while im on epi will i?
 
buster0371 said:
ALRIGHT I GOT IT

after doing some research, talking to people, and from the feedback i've gotten here I've decided that I'm going to run Test E 500mg/week for 10 weeks. I cant decide if i want to run epistane in the first 4 though... PCT I'll have clomid AND tore. I'll have adex for on cycle. Oh, and cycle support.

I plan to run this cycle later in the fall or early winter.

Question: If I run epi for the first 4 weeks i wont need .25mg of adex a day while im on epi will i?
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Honestly up the test to 12 weeks and drop the epi, its to weak for a kick start. Use the mdrol instead. You might as well do it right.
 
buster0371 said:
ALRIGHT I GOT IT

after doing some research, talking to people, and from the feedback i've gotten here I've decided that I'm going to run Test E 500mg/week for 10 weeks. I cant decide if i want to run epistane in the first 4 though... PCT I'll have clomid AND tore. I'll have adex for on cycle. Oh, and cycle support.

I plan to run this cycle later in the fall or early winter.

Question: If I run epi for the first 4 weeks i wont need .25mg of adex a day while im on epi will i?
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What size clown shoes do you wear?
 
Hmmm... Mdrol for the first cycle.

Have fun Buster.
 
buster0371 said:
ALRIGHT I GOT IT

after doing some research, talking to people, and from the feedback i've gotten here I've decided that I'm going to run Test E 500mg/week for 10 weeks. I cant decide if i want to run epistane in the first 4 though... PCT I'll have clomid AND tore. I'll have adex for on cycle. Oh, and cycle support.

I plan to run this cycle later in the fall or early winter.

Question: If I run epi for the first 4 weeks i wont need .25mg of adex a day while im on epi will i?
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I like how you come back 2 days later and say "after doing some research (for 2 days) I decided to do steroids" When will you learn? Research takes a bit more than 2 days.
 
U should never say never Buster. That is y u are catching so my shat. I mean growing up I said I would never take roids but that was to friends and family for obvious reasons. No1 tells their friends and family they plan on doing roids when they are young. But u came on here and basically dissed any1 who used roids saying it was wrong and that u would never do it. Time to eat those words. Good luck with ur cycle and be honest about everything that way u can get the best advice bc like some1 pointed out u dont have years of weight lifting under ur belt.
 
give him a break guys....this sh!ts getting kind of old....at one point in my athletic life i was on a D1 college team (i was a wrestler) and I thought it was completely wrong to use steroids and was very vocal about it....after i started training for size for a few years, the emperor was able to sway me and bring me over to the dark side. We all say things we regret...yada yada yada...i know its fun for you guys to hate buster but jeez...i gotta tell ya its getting old....Or mabye its just me...
 
The contradictory, unintelligent words that he spews all over this board are what's getting old.

EXAMPLE: "Formestane is better than Winstrol for cutting!!!"
EXAMPLE 2: " I am never using steroids so I don't need to research hormones"
EXAMPLE 3: "I have years of experience lifting." (He weighed 130 lbs last year)

I could go on for hours.



It's honestly not fun to hate on him. I have much better things to spend my time on. I just refuse to sit by and let him make a mockery of the advice of people and the site that taught me a good bit of what I know about the subject.

If you go back far enough, there was a point in time where everybody was pretty nice to the guy. We didn't just decide to put the guy on blast for no reason.

But if he wants to actually do his research, if he thinks before he types, and takes good advice to heart; this will be the last time I ever bother the guy.

So in all fairness, Mooch is right. Let's stop bagging on the Buster and see what he ends up doing and how it turns out. Fair warning though, if he slips up on any of those three aforementioned terms of me not bothering him, it's on like donkey kong.
 
mooch2321 said:
lol....donkey kong it is....i need to get back into an abi/doom crew thread!
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Drop by my sponsored Ghenerate thread... it's already getting pretty funny and the show hasn't even started.
 
I will stop my buster badgering after this one comment.I just think buster needs to wait. It's not that he says **** that he now disagrees with but he says this stuff and then disagrees with it the next day. Come onnnnnnnn
 
Buster. I think you should stack my nuts on your eye sockets...

Its called a trojan war helmet.

Then Heartless can eat my bootyhole.
 
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