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Weights up, scales down…

Dustin07 said:
I'm intrigued by the trenavar and M1a.

Last year I stacked ultra epi with epiandrolean to reach like 1,100mg / day and loved it. only downfall was the ultra epi was a little hard on the skin, but I just moved application sight around. Ultra Hard is probably still my preference over ultra epi because I enjoy the androsterone, but ultra epi packs a kick.
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I was less intrigued after reading old logs of both products and seeing the sides vs rewards lol.
 
akboom87 said:
I was less intrigued after reading old logs of both products and seeing the sides vs rewards lol.
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do go on, tell me more. With a review like this how could anyone turn it down? lol

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Trenavar is a direct oral prohormone to trenbolone. It will act incredibly similarly to taking a shot of Tren No Ester/Base. In and out surge of aggression, libido, over about 4 hours or so. You need to take it over about 3-4 doses per day to use as an anabolic cycle, and you need 90-180mg generally. 150 is the sweet spot for me, but I’ve gone up to 210/day.

If you wouldn’t pin Tren, don’t take those. Same sides, same pluses, same very significant shutdown. Hardest PCT I ever had in 10 years of cycling off; Test E injection for 12 weeks was much easier PCT even.

M1A is a very hard hitter oral. I did my first comp squat over 600 on that stuff. Like DHB turned into an oral - dry, hard lean mass gains and big strength boost. This is a serious designer oral steroid comparable to Dbol, Anadrol, Superdrol type effects & sides.

The rest are probably better ideas for you for how.
 
Hyde said:
Trenavar is a direct oral prohormone to trenbolone. It will act incredibly similarly to taking a shot of Tren No Ester/Base. In and out surge of aggression, libido, over about 4 hours or so. You need to take it over about 3-4 doses per day to use as an anabolic cycle, and you need 90-180mg generally. 150 is the sweet spot for me, but I’ve gone up to 210/day.

If you wouldn’t pin Tren, don’t take those. Same sides, same pluses, same very significant shutdown. Hardest PCT I ever had in 10 years of cycling off; Test E injection for 12 weeks was much easier PCT even.

M1A is a very hard hitter oral. I did my first comp squat over 600 on that stuff. Like DHB turned into an oral - dry, hard lean mass gains and big strength boost. This is a serious designer oral steroid comparable to Dbol, Anadrol, Superdrol type effects & sides.

The rest are probably better ideas for you for how.
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Yeah that’s what I kinda came to the conclusion about those 2.

What’s the consensus on icon one, kinda looks like should be run with ultra hard or alpha 4? Any thoughts on that combo?
 
akboom87 said:
Yeah that’s what I kinda came to the conclusion about those 2.

What’s the consensus on icon one, kinda looks like should be run with ultra hard or alpha 4? Any thoughts on that combo?
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As a first step, would always recommend andros first before any of the others. So I'd say if you can get some alpha four or similar to stack with Icon One you'd be golden. Oral epi would be the cherry on top, and 1/4/epi is a standard stack, but is my least favorite of the 3.
 
Little bit of a rough night some reason the little guy woke up at midnight and was ready to start the day I guess. Got up with him and got him back to bed around 2 ish. So this morning was a struggle

Wake up time 4:45 am
1 cup coffee
1/2 scoop souls for sale

Gym time 5:15 - 6:15 am

Warm up treadmill 15 minutes
Warm ups stretching

BB good morning
95# x10 x10 x8 x8

BB squat
135#x5 x5
185#x5 x5

Leg press
4plates per side x10 x10 x10

Leg extension machine
120# x10
140# x8 x8 x7

BB stiff legged deadlifts
145# x8 x8 x8

Lost even more momentum my ear buds decided to quit working first song in.

Some days she goes, some days she don’t.
 
akboom87 said:
Little bit of a rough night some reason the little guy woke up at midnight and was ready to start the day I guess. Got up with him and got him back to bed around 2 ish. So this morning was a struggle

Wake up time 4:45 am
1 cup coffee
1/2 scoop souls for sale

Gym time 5:15 - 6:15 am

Warm up treadmill 15 minutes
Warm ups stretching

BB good morning
95# x10 x10 x8 x8

BB squat
135#x5 x5
185#x5 x5

Leg press
4plates per side x10 x10 x10

Leg extension machine
120# x10
140# x8 x8 x7

BB stiff legged deadlifts
145# x8 x8 x8

Lost even more momentum my ear buds decided to quit working first song in.

Some days she goes, some days she don’t.
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It never fails, when it’s a day that you’re really not with it and you’re trying so hard to push through, the ear buds go!
 
akboom87 said:
Right in the beginning too!
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I had that happen recently. I got to the gym and realized I forgot my Intraworkout drink, forgot to take my supplements I was taking preworkout and then realized when I got to the gym that my AirPods were dead. I was so pissed. Nothing went right that day. Just gotta focus the best you can and muscle through it!
 
Annoyed this morning carried over from yesterday. My company had there Christmas party last night I told them weeks ago I would not be attending. Then yesterday was like a shock to my manager that I was not going. He was like just have your wife watch the kids and come. I said no.

We don’t have anybody here that can watch are kids for us, we decided on are first child that my wife would stay home and raise her and now both kids. We are in a spot that it works for us and financially we can.

So at the end of the day she is ready for me to be home and help with them. Usually I take over so she can get things done or if she wants to go to the store or whatever it maybe. That’s how we do it.

So it really highly annoyed me that it was like some big deal that I wasn’t going to a stupid Christmas party. That is nothing more than a company paid excuse to drink.

End rant
PS **** em
 
akboom87 said:
Annoyed this morning carried over from yesterday. My company had there Christmas party last night I told them weeks ago I would not be attending. Then yesterday was like a shock to my manager that I was not going. He was like just have your wife watch the kids and come. I said no.

We don’t have anybody here that can watch are kids for us, we decided on are first child that my wife would stay home and raise her and now both kids. We are in a spot that it works for us and financially we can.

So at the end of the day she is ready for me to be home and help with them. Usually I take over so she can get things done or if she wants to go to the store or whatever it maybe. That’s how we do it.

So it really highly annoyed me that it was like some big deal that I wasn’t going to a stupid Christmas party. That is nothing more than a company paid excuse to drink.

End rant
PS **** em
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Sorry man, hoomans can be quite annoying at times. Good on ya for standing your ground and drawing boundaries. Crumble once and they steamroll you.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Sorry man, hoomans can be quite annoying at times. Good on ya for standing your ground and drawing boundaries. Crumble once and they steamroll you.
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Yeah it just really rubbed me in the wrong way.

All good though I stand and believe in what I feel are the right choices.
 
Wake up time 4:30 am
1/2 scoop souls for sale
1 cup coffee
1 pre workout shake

Gym time 5:15 am -6:30 am

Warm ups stretching

Seated DB front raise
Warm ups
WS- 20# x10 RPE 9-10

Seated anterior delt press DB
Warm ups
WS- 35# x10 x8 x8 RPE 7-10

Standing single arm cable lateral raise
Warm ups
WS- 10# x10 x10 x10 RPE 7-10

Standing overhead cable tricep extension
Warm ups
WS- 40# x14 x11 x10 RPE 10

Prone rear db delt fly
Warmups
WS- 26# x18 RPE 10

Prone rear delt row cable
Warm ups
WS- 70# x11 x10 x10 RPE 7-10

Standing bicep cable curl ez bar
Warm ups
WS- 50# x14 x10 x10 RPE 10

1 minute rest between all sets maximum.

Treadmill 1 mile run. 8:48 seconds
This might not sound like much but this is a PR for me! My next goal will be to do a 8 minute mile.
 
akboom87 said:
Annoyed this morning carried over from yesterday. My company had there Christmas party last night I told them weeks ago I would not be attending. Then yesterday was like a shock to my manager that I was not going. He was like just have your wife watch the kids and come. I said no.

We don’t have anybody here that can watch are kids for us, we decided on are first child that my wife would stay home and raise her and now both kids. We are in a spot that it works for us and financially we can.

So at the end of the day she is ready for me to be home and help with them. Usually I take over so she can get things done or if she wants to go to the store or whatever it maybe. That’s how we do it.

So it really highly annoyed me that it was like some big deal that I wasn’t going to a stupid Christmas party. That is nothing more than a company paid excuse to drink.

End rant
PS **** em
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24ish years ago before we started our company we had a Christmas party at my former employer. They rented the banquet hall at a local hotel and hosted a free casino night. you got x amount of chips and afterwards could use your chips to bid on/buy/auction some cool prices/xmas gifts. I spent years trying to get folks at our company to buy into that idea and nobody wanted to. Then, in the past few years suddenly there has been an uptick and they have really gone crazy decorating the office/warehouse like the North Pole, doing pictures with Santa, and hosting an Xmas party even on the weekend (gasp, a day where they don't HAVE to be at work lol).

I'm sorta over it myself, not super interested in being at the office any more than I have to, but I think it's interesting to see people who work toether who do want to go do a party together, I figure more power to them. if that's a good morale activity for them then 🤘 🔥

You're at a very specific point in life though with a very specific and important priority though and that should be respected. with our youngest of 4 being almost 16, my wife and I are damn near empty nesters already (perk of marrying an older chick) and tbh honest, even without toddlers at home, I still crave my time away from the office to just chill at home.
 
Wake up time 4:30 am

1 cup coffee
1/2 scoop souls for sale
1 pre workout shake

Gym time 5:15 -6:15 am
Warmups stretching

BB glute bridge
Warm ups
WS- 135# x10 x10 x10

Romanian BB deadlifts
Warm ups
WS- 165# x6 x6 RPE 7-10

Leg press with feet as high as possible
Warmup
WS- 3 plates per side x8 x8 RPE 7-10

Seated leg curl machine
Warmup
WS- 130# x8 x8 rPE 10

Seated calf machine
Warmup
WS- 110# x10 x10 with 3 second pause at full stretch RPE 7-10

BB good morning
Bar weight x20 x20

Hypertension
Warmup
65# db x8 x8 x8 RPE 7-10

Forgot to say yesterday, trying out an Albert Nunez upper/lower program.

Post workout shake

Weight check in 207# on the dot.
 
Dustin07 said:
you're wasting away! before long we're gonna go bikini shopping together
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Well I was at 205 but crept up over November. Want to hit 200 and then decide if I want to cut some more or basically run maintenance and get some strength back 😂

Got to fill out my bikini 😂😂
 
akboom87 said:
Well I was at 205 but crept up over November. Want to hit 200 and then decide if I want to cut some more or basically run maintenance and get some strength back 😂

Got to fill out my bikini 😂😂
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205 vs 207 is the difference in taking a leak lol. I have been chilling around 192/193 lately but was 189 a month ago and 198 on thanksgiving 😂 😂

Right now my goal is to stay under 195 by NYE, as close to 190 as possible without sacrificing bench progress. After my 6 week cube predator ends, I'll cut for January then shift back to the 2025 bench PR goals.
 
Wake up time 4:30 am

1 cup coffee
1/4 scoop souls for sale
1 pre workout shake

Gym time 5:15 - 6:30 am

15 minutes treadmill
Warm ups stretching

DB flat bench
Warmups
WS - 70# x6 RPE 10
WS- 60# x8 RPE 8-10

Seated cable lat row neutral grip
Warmups
WS- 100# x8 x8 RPE 7-10

Incline DB bench
Warmups
WS- 50# x9 x9 RPE 8-10

Lat pull down neutral grip
Warmups
WS- 145# x8 x8 RPE 8-10

Tricep cable overhead extension-knees on floor
Warmups
WS- 40# x15 x15 RPE 8-10

Cable hammer curl - thru legs
Warmups
WS- 40# x15 x15 RPE 8-10

Pretty decent session, this week has been great dialed back in on nutrition. So far with lower volume but high intensity I’m recovering for next sessions. Where as before when I was pushing higher volume and high intensity I was getting zapped and not recovering in time.

Post workout shake

Supplements have been just vitamin D 10-15k iu a day

2 fish oil caps one morning one night.

Will do a weight check in Friday and a couple update pictures.

Still not sure on what direction I’m going to go. Still going for original goal of 200lbs I believe I will be there end of the month. Then I’m still back and forth, do I cut more shoot for 190. Or basically stay 200 increase calories and find what I can eat and stay in that zone maybe slightly increase and try to build some strength and put on some muscle.


Open to any ideas from you guys!
 
I'm a fan of mini cuts and mini bulks. I've seen Layne talk about it a lot and I feel like it serves me well because by the time I'm burnt out on cutting, my body really absorbs the extra calories well, and before I've bulked beyond the point of no return, it's time to shave 10lbs. like 4-6 week cycles.
 
You should overcut beyond your goal weight, generally, if it’s not going to require a bunch of muscle loss. Like an extra 5-10lbs, to help compensate for the initial rebound. Remember how low Mr. Kleen got, but he was still jacked.

Leaner you get, better you’ll grow.
 
Hyde said:
You should overcut beyond your goal weight, generally, if it’s not going to require a bunch of muscle loss. Like an extra 5-10lbs, to help compensate for the initial rebound. Remember how low Mr. Kleen got, but he was still jacked.

Leaner you get, better you’ll grow.
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Yeah I remember you saying something about that before hand, so if I shoot for 190-195 allow for some rebound and land in that 200 zone.
 
Hyde said:
You should overcut beyond your goal weight, generally, if it’s not going to require a bunch of muscle loss. Like an extra 5-10lbs, to help compensate for the initial rebound. Remember how low Mr. Kleen got, but he was still jacked.

Leaner you get, better you’ll grow.
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akboom87 said:
Yeah I remember you saying something about that before hand, so if I shoot for 190-195 allow for some rebound and land in that 200 zone.
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not only that but the more I think about it from Hyde's approach, its really setting a really achievable goal and breaking down to just one more small mile marker for you. If you consider how far youve come, if you have the mentality and motivation for it, then that next step down is a piece of cake for you. I was taught goals should be measurable and achievable. this one is both!
 
Wake up time 4:40 am
1 cup of coffee
1/2 scoop souls for sale
1 pre workout shake

Gym time 5:20 - 6:35
Treadmill 15 minutes

Warm ups stretching

Leg press quad emphasis
Warmups
WS- 4 plates per side x8 x8 RPE 8-10 pause in the stretch position

Leg extension machine
Warmups
WS- 150# x8 x8 RPE 10

Smith machine hack squat
Warmups
WS- plate per side x10 x10 RPE 6-8

Db standing lateral raise
Warmups
WS- 20# x10 x10 x10 RPE 10

Leg press calves
Warmups
WS- 4 plates per side x20 x20

Ab machine
Warmups
WS- 150# x10 x10

Quads fried!

Post workout shake
 
Definitely still leaning up, getting visiable shape from lats to mid, there probably actually much more there if you flare them, the biceps and delts continue to develop, show size and definition as well. Great progress!! 🔥 🤘 even with the double bicep I feel like you can see the mass building in the upper pecs here too. good stuff man
 
Arms and delts showing a lot more detail as you have leaned out! I would really encourage you to pursue 190, based on this pic. There’s enough love handle still that it’s only going to make you look more jacked if they come in some more.

You have really changed your ways for the best man, finding a whole new lifestyle that’s going to give you the vitality you need with your little ones. Creating new positive lifelong habits and mindfulness that will help you lead your family by example.
 
Dustin07 said:
Definitely still leaning up, getting visiable shape from lats to mid, there probably actually much more there if you flare them, the biceps and delts continue to develop, show size and definition as well. Great progress!! 🔥 🤘 even with the double bicep I feel like you can see the mass building in the upper pecs here too. good stuff man
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Definitely seeing more definition, I got to figure out how to flare the lats for sure!
 
Hyde said:
Arms and delts showing a lot more detail as you have leaned out! I would really encourage you to pursue 190, based on this pic. There’s enough love handle still that it’s only going to make you look more jacked if they come in some more.

You have really changed your ways for the best man, finding a whole new lifestyle that’s going to give you the vitality you need with your little ones. Creating new positive lifelong habits and mindfulness that will help you lead your family by example.
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Appreciate all the input and help along the journey!!

Yeah after taking the pic I agree 190 maybe even 185, still got that low belly and love handles hanging on for dear life.
 
we've lost the old pictures from when the forum rebooted so I can't access your early early befores at the beginning of the thread anymore, but it looks like you're still building some mass with the recomp right?
 
Dustin07 said:
we've lost the old pictures from when the forum rebooted so I can't access your early early befores at the beginning of the thread anymore, but it looks like you're still building some mass with the recomp right?
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Omg this is embarrassing 😂 here is may of 2023

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akboom87 said:
Omg this is embarrassing 😂 here is may of 2023

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yeah dude crazy how far you've come! another thought I had about what Hyde said is cutting deeper will give the knowledge and confidence that you can do it again if you reverse into a bulk or strength cycle for a while. I've done these 10-15lb cut and bulk cycles so many times over the past few years that I know I can confidently go to 195-200lbs until new years and get back into the 180s before my next trip. takes practice to get confident with that IMO
 
Afternoon quick session

Gym time 2:30 pm - 3:30 pm

Treadmill warm up 5 minutes
1 mile jog 8:45 minutes
5 minutes cool down

DB pullovers
Warmups
WS-75# x10 x10 x10

Cable face pull
30# x17 x17 x15

BB deadlifts
Warmups
WS- 225# x5 x5 / 245# x3 x3 / 295# x2 / 315# x1 / 265# x1 x1 x1 x1 x1 x1 x1 x1

RPE on the 315 was probably 8-9 felt really good. 265 moving with lots of speed, just went for explosive and fast.

Post workout shake afterwards
 
akboom87 said:
Afternoon quick session

Gym time 2:30 pm - 3:30 pm

Treadmill warm up 5 minutes
1 mile jog 8:45 minutes
5 minutes cool down

DB pullovers
Warmups
WS-75# x10 x10 x10

Cable face pull
30# x17 x17 x15

BB deadlifts
Warmups
WS- 225# x5 x5 / 245# x3 x3 / 295# x2 / 315# x1 / 265# x1 x1 x1 x1 x1 x1 x1 x1

RPE on the 315 was probably 8-9 felt really good. 265 moving with lots of speed, just went for explosive and fast.

Post workout shake afterwards
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Nice pulls man! 315 feeling good, plus those 8 reps at 265 after... some solid work here based on what I remember you doing a few months back.
 
Segansational said:
Nice pulls man! 315 feeling good, plus those 8 reps at 265 after... some solid work here based on what I remember you doing a few months back.
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It felt really good! 335 is my PR so hitting 315 was a good feeling. Definitely excited to get back in the groove with them.
 
Wake up time 4:30 am
1 cup coffee
1/4 scoop souls for sale
1 pre workout shake

Gym time 5:15 - 6:30 am

15 minutes treadmill

Warmups stretching

Incline seated front raise DB
Warmups
WS- 20# x11 RPE 10
12.5# x10 burnout

Seated anterior delt press DB
Warmups
WS- 35# x10 x9 x8 RPE 9-10

Standing lateral cable raise
Warmups
WS- 10#x12 x12 x12 RPE 7-10

Standing overhead cable tricep extension
Warmups
WS- 45# x10 x10 / 40# x10 RPE 9-10

Prone rear delt fly DB
Warmups
WS- 25# x20 RPE 10

Prone rear delt row cable
Warmups
WS- 70# x11 x10 x10 RPE 9-10

Standing bicep curl cable
Warmups
WS- 40# x11 x10 /35# x10 RPE 10
Drop set 25# x failure
Banded curls x failure

Holy smokes I was fried afterwards, sick shoulder pump and bicep.

Was definitely feeling the deads on Sunday just overall pretty sore and fatigued. Hunger was way up as usual after a day of deadlifts. Seemed to be recovered today, nice easy treadmill to get things going and a small sweat. Then go time!

Post workout shake
 
Wake up time 4:35 am
1 cup coffee
3/4 scoop souls for sale
1 pre workout shake 40g carbs/ 50 grams protein

Gym time 5:15 -6:30 am

15 minutes treadmill

Warmups stretching

BB glute bridge
Warmups
WS- 185# x12 RPE 8-10

Romanian BB deadlifts
Warmups
WS- 185# x6 x6 RPE 9-10

Leg press toes at very top and wider stance, 2 second pause in stretch
Warmups
WS-3 plates per side x12 x12 RPE 7-10

Seated leg curl machine
Warmups
WS- 130# x10 x8 + 4 partials RPE 10

Smith incline press (I don’t know the weight of bar so just plate weight)
Warmups
WS-140# x8 x8 x6 RPE 8-10
Super set
Seated calve raises
Warmups
WS- 135# x10 x10 2 seconds pause at top RPE 9-10

Narrow grip pullups
BWx8


pretty good session!

Post workout shake
 
Doing some nice work in here Brother. I imagine you know I am team 185-190 for you. This is definitely the best I have seen you look, arms are showing a lot of definition, upper waist area is also looking way better. Lots of progress. You have maintained in the same area for about a month with a nice diet break. I would definitely press on if you have the desire and discipline to do so. I know your goals are a mix of health, aesthetics and strength. Cutting down farther will be a big plus for health and aesthetics, making the largest physical improvements, then after you will truly be primed for a solid rebound. As @Hyde mentioned you want to lean up further than where you want to maintain so that you have some room to grow before hitting a bodyfat that requires you to shift gears and lose some fat again. In this instance cutting both hits the short game needs, and the long game goals at the same time.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Doing some nice work in here Brother. I imagine you know I am team 185-190 for you. This is definitely the best I have seen you look, arms are showing a lot of definition, upper waist area is also looking way better. Lots of progress. You have maintained in the same area for about a month with a nice diet break. I would definitely press on if you have the desire and discipline to do so. I know your goals are a mix of health, aesthetics and strength. Cutting down farther will be a big plus for health and aesthetics, making the largest physical improvements, then after you will truly be primed for a solid rebound. As @Hyde mentioned you want to lean up further than where you want to maintain so that you have some room to grow before hitting a bodyfat that requires you to shift gears and lose some fat again. In this instance cutting both hits the short game needs, and the long game goals at the same time.
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Always solid advice and the route I’m going to go!
 
Wake up time 4:30 am
1 cup coffee
3/4 scoop souls for sale
1 pre workout shake

Was a rough night last night. Wife had I don’t know the technical name but tubes removed, tied? Small surgery and went well. Plus the risk of ovarian cancer on her family’s side this helps with that risk and we are finished having little kiddos. So will be doing most things for the next few days, the little guy last night just was not interested in sleeping he would sleep for a hour then be up then repeat until 3am when he finally slept til 7 am 😂

So definitely not full energy this morning


Gym time 5:30 - 6:45
10 minutes light jog treadmill

Warmups stretching

Db flat bench
Warmups
WS- 65# x 8 x8 RPE 8-10

Seated cable lat row
Warmups
WS- 100# x10 x10 RPE 10

Incline db bench
Warmups
WS- 55# x10 x6 RPE 9-10

Lat pull down neutral grip
Warmups
WS- 145# x9 x8 RPE 8-10
Super set leaning DB shurg
35#x15 x15

Tricep pushdown ez bar
Warmups
WS- 60# x10 x10 RPE 10
Super set single arm overhead tricep extension
20# x12 x12

Hammer curl cable
Warmups
WS- 40# x15 x12
Super set db hammer curl
25# x12 15# x15

10 minutes light jogging treadmill

With being off work I might go at nap time and hit deadlifts and some more treadmill.

Pump was really good but was losing power by second set fast.

Really enjoyed the session and so nice not having to rush when done to get off to work 😂
 
Ah man, I empathize with the little kiddo being up every hour on the hour. I still remember (am scarred) by those days! We used to have a bosu ball that I'd have to sit on and bounce my daughter while rocking her, in order for her to fall asleep
 
Dustin07 said:
I hope your wife is feeling OK post surgery and has a fast and smooth recovery. She didn't get a full hysterectomy did she?
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No not a full. So far good just sore and tired. She is to just stay in bed help her to get up when she needs to and keep her fresh with water and ice pack.
 
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