Volcom's Androlean & Androhard Log

VolcomX311 said:
I agree, its like beating a dead horse when you take high doses of caffeine of an extended period.

I'll look into the adpaptogens, Rhodiola isn't cheap from what I remember, but Ashwaganda isn't too bad I think.
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Jarrow formulas has a good ashwaganda and it is not that expensive and I found rhodiola is not bad either, check out Swanson, they have some great prices if NP does not carry the NOW brand.
 
Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but isn't DHEA used to combat adrenal fatigue. If you where suffering from that then the Andro would help. I'll have to see if i can find what i was reading and post it.

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NADDANME said:
Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but isn't DHEA used to combat adrenal fatigue. If you where suffering from that then the Andro would help. I'll have to see if i can find what i was reading and post it.

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Adrenal fatigue occurs when the adrenal glands are no longer able to adequately control the stress response with the result that cotrisol, DHEA, and other hormones are produced in abnormal amounts (either high or low)
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That could be it as well, but high production associtated fatigue. I feel okay so far today. Historically speaking, if its supp related lethargy, it'll come on around 9-10am, or a couple hours after I wake up. It's 12:51pm and I feel relatively normal. None of the fatigue (and headache) I had yesterday, but I also skipped lifting last night, so the rest had a pretty dramatic effect on today's energy/mood vs yesterday. The next couple of days may reveal more.
 
AndrewNico said:
3 slin sane's holy crap lol.

Id say push through it or just deload this week(if it works with your schedule). I had quite a ****ty day myself in the gym today. Feelsbadman
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I know. Being that my daily carb intake is pretty low, when I know I'm about to eat 120 or so grams of carbs (in a foot long), I get the mental paranoia of eating that many carbs in one sitting, so I attempt to overcompensate with a mouthful of nutrient partitioners.
 
AntonG42O said:
rhodiola is like $9 at NP, will last a long time since a recommended amount to take is no more than 2-3 a day.
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Damn, that's dirt cheap, but I'd have to go buy it from a store or something. NP's shipping takes an average of 7-8 days to get to me or something turtle like, so I'll probably look for it at a vitamin store.
 
NADDANME said:
Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but isn't DHEA used to combat adrenal fatigue. If you where suffering from that then the Andro would help. I'll have to see if i can find what i was reading and post it.

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These are variations of DHEA, MOA's are not the same.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Damn, that's dirt cheap, but I'd have to go buy it from a store or something. NP's shipping takes an average of 7-8 days to get to me or something turtle like, so I'll probably look for it at a vitamin store.
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yea get the NOW foods one. if you get a different brand make sure its got 3% total rosavins and min. 1% salidrosides.
 
Strong workout today. I think my recent lethargy had more to due with adrenal fatigue then supp related lethargy. I'll just lay off the caffeine for as long as I can.

Pre-Lift Cardio: Stairclimber 25 min

One Arm, Smith-Barbell Rows
135lbs x 10 reps, each arm
155lbs x 8 reps, each arm
185lbs x 6 reps, each arm
185lbs x 6 reps, each arm

One Arm, T-Bar Rows
135lbs x 10 reps, each arm
165lbs x 8 reps, each arm
195lbs x 6 reps, each arm

Behind The Neck Pull Ups
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps

Wide Grip Chins
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps

Close, Underhand Grip Pull Ups
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps
BW x 8 reps

I'm switching over to Db's next week on chest, I think my body is through with barbells for now.
 
Rodja said:
I'm the opposite: I prefer the DB over the BB.
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Same here, I use BB for exercises that I really can't get away with a DB for like close grip bench or incline press as I can move more weight as I don't need a spotter. Each has its place, I tend to use one more than the other for a while than transition back, helps me maintain gains and keep the accessory muscles keeping up with my strength increases.
 
I always thought BB was better for muscle growth since you can move more weight. Everything I've read has indicated that...
 
Milas said:
I always thought BB was better for muscle growth since you can move more weight. Everything I've read has indicated that...
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A lot of people use more front delt than chest when using barbells. Perhaps if the form is really strict and specific to chest growth then it would be better. It's much easier to isolate the chest using db's though...
 
Milas said:
I always thought BB was better for muscle growth since you can move more weight. Everything I've read has indicated that...
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Overload is just one of the factors when it comes to muscle stimulation. There isn't a "one is better" when it comes to DB and BB because each person is built differently.

Plus, most people have god-awful technique when it comes to lifting.
 
Milas said:
I always thought BB was better for muscle growth since you can move more weight. Everything I've read has indicated that...
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If this were the case then machines would be better. There is much more muscle being activated with free weights. The harder it is, the better it is. Of course, free weights demand more emphasis on form though.
 
Rodja said:
Overload is just one of the factors when it comes to muscle stimulation. There isn't a "one is better" when it comes to DB and BB because each person is built differently.

Plus, most people have god-awful technique when it comes to lifting.
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Yeah, good to mix them up and do both from time to time. But I still like to go heavier on BB, more than I'm able to on DB.

AZMIDLYF said:
If this were the case then machines would be better. There is much more muscle being activated with free weights. The harder it is, the better it is. Of course, free weights demand more emphasis on form though.
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Not what I meant wrt BB presses, I meant heavier compound move with free weights compared to DB. DB can give a better ROM, but can't go as heavy. Both have a place, just my preference to go heavier on BB because you can.

Machines are too isolated to recruit as much muscle fiber IMO. I think stuff like HammerStrength machines do have a good place in there since you can go heavier on them.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I know. Being that my daily carb intake is pretty low, when I know I'm about to eat 120 or so grams of carbs (in a foot long), I get the mental paranoia of eating that many carbs in one sitting, so I attempt to overcompensate with a mouthful of nutrient partitioners.
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I'm the same way, bud.

Rodja said:
Plus, most people have god-awful technique when it comes to lifting.
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:yup: Aint that the truth.
 
I blow up on some isolated routines provided the intensity is there. I use muscle saturation techniquues like Giant sets. I think that initially you are better of with more compound movements but once you've established a certain amount of mass you can sue good form to build further mass.
 
^^^very good advice.....im planning to employ this in my next cycle to take advantage of the increased recovery, alot of volume training wise (i.e. higher rep ranges ect)
 
I prefer the feel, the ROM, how it stimulatates my chest, the general movement of Db's over BB, however, the BB's are just 10x's the convenience factor for me. I'm not trying to sound particularly strong or anything, but my working sets start at 100lbs Db's and above, so the carrying around, the racking, re-racking, even just getting into ready position and then having to kick the Db's back right makes for an overall inconvenient experience when it comes to chest day.

I kid around everytime I've farmers walked the the Db's to my bench, "that's worth at least 3 reps right there..." I'm looking forward to the transition, I always do, until I remember what a pain Db's can be sometims.
 
DreamWeaver said:
I blow up on some isolated routines provided the intensity is there. I use muscle saturation techniquues like Giant sets. I think that initially you are better of with more compound movements but once you've established a certain amount of mass you can sue good form to build further mass.
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I've been particulary vigilent in performing super-sets, compound sets or drop sets since my cut, but for the added calories burn and for some added intensity.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I've been particulary vigilent in performing super-sets, compound sets or drop sets since my cut, but for the added calories burn and for some added intensity.
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Yes they add back some of the intensity you miss from going isolated... muscle saturation I am calling it..
 
VolcomX311 said:
How's your diet coming along? No mental fatigue from it yet? Or have you long since established an iron will?
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I never have problems sticking to my diet when I am in this situation. Yah there is lots of fatigue and I have bronchitis now but not enought to knock me off the track. I have to admit if I had to train weights today I proabably wouldn't, hopefully I'll feel a bit better tomorrow...
 
Today was my first day transitioning from barbell press to Db presses and it was about as bad as I thought it would be. The ROM felt awkward, stability was an issue and it ended up being an ego check. The last time I did Db's I was a good 220lbs and I would start with 100lbs Db's for 12-15 and move up from there. I started at 100lbs Db's today and had no choice but to stay there if I wanted quality reps. Also, it felt unusually taxing on the stamina, but I should adapt by the next chest session or the session after that.

Flat Db Press
100lbs Db's x 10 reps
100lbs Db's x 9 reps
100lbs Db's x 8 reps
100lbs Db's x 8 reps

Incline Db Press
80lbs Db's x 10 reps
80lbs Db's x 8 reps
80lbs Db's x 8 reps

Hammer Triceps Presses - Facing away/Leaning forward to emphasize lower/outer pecs.
180lbs x 10 reps
230lbs x 8 reps
250lbs x 8 reps

Incline Flies; Compound-Set to Decline Flies
100lbs x 10 reps/x 10 reps
110lbs x 8 reps/x 8 reps
120lbs x 8 reps/x 8 reps


Still, the most prevalent supp with the most palpable effects is the mean thermo effect from the ANDROLean. I don't know how to pinpoint the ANDROHard effects. My strength was right at the edge of diminishing (as a result of my cut) just, just before I started the ANDROSeries, so it's hard to say. My strength could be lower were I not on ANDROHard, but I can only speculate on that.
 
volcom whats your opinion on cardio on cycle and strength gains? I am starting P-mag and Furza-a and looking to lean out, gain lean mass and strength. I want to get cut for summer as well so has cardio affected you or iis it more diet?
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
volcom whats your opinion on cardio on cycle and strength gains? I am starting P-mag and Furza-a and looking to lean out, gain lean mass and strength. I want to get cut for summer as well so has cardio affected you or iis it more diet?
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I think in my case, it's the diminishing caloric intake and simply overall cutting effects related. When I was hitting double cardio days my strength wasn't budging. However, I was doing double cardio from 220lbs down to 210lbs, so the strength maintainence could have been from my general bodyweight/size. I actually had strength increases in certain exercises, because I think my cutting diet, being that I was eating 6 times a day, was a generally more anabolic environment then how I was eating before (at first).

It wasn't until I hit 205 and below that I started to notice old weights getting heavier and at this point, I'm only doing cardio once a day and not as frequently throughout the week, so given those facts, it's hard to really say for 100% certain.
 
Yah I'm starting to fold a bit in the power department, just keep your intensity high, all you can do really....
 
Rodja said:
Speaking of, who are your picks for Saturday?
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-Nick Diaz vs. Paul Daley - I have no idea but I hate Daley but id have to say TKO Round 3 or UD Diaz (Hope Diaz Wins hes top 5 fav for me)
-Gilbert Melendez vs. Tatsuya Kawajiri - Melendez UD
-Gegard Mousasi vs. Keith Jardine - Mousasi Win by TKO Round 2
-Shinya Aoki vs. Lyle Beerbohm - Aoki submission Round 3
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
-Nick Diaz vs. Paul Daley - I have no idea but I hate Daley but id have to say TKO Round 3 or UD Diaz (Hope Diaz Wins hes top 5 fav for me)
-Gilbert Melendez vs. Tatsuya Kawajiri - Melendez UD
-Gegard Mousasi vs. Keith Jardine - Mousasi Win by TKO Round 2
-Shinya Aoki vs. Lyle Beerbohm - Aoki submission Round 3
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I hope nick takes daley down and chokes him out. i hate one dimensional fighters
 
Rodja said:
Speaking of, who are your picks for Saturday?
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I'm pulling for Nick Diaz, granted Daley has the flash KO threat and Nick (& Nate) have bad habits of proving something and will stand & trade when they shouldn't, but I don't see Nick getting caught that flush, the Diaz brothers have good stand up defense. As stubborn as Nick may be, I think if he's getting dominated on the feet for long enough, he may take it to the ground, where Nick has a high propability of grinding Daley into a sub situation.


I've got Gilbert Melendez

Mousasi has better win against Jardine. Jardine is a stand up guy, so Mousasi won't need to worry about getting out wrestled, therefore, Mousasi ought to be the superior stand up guy, or at least he really should be, considering Jardine's unofficial stamp of irrelevance on his brand. I have high expectations of Mousasi, being that he was a Fedor Padawan.


Shinya Aoki, but I'm not uber confident about that. In general, I don't think the Japananese fighters are as strong as the western fighters and I think that strength margin is super detrimental to Shinya's jits, either way, I'm pulling for Aoki.
 
AntonG42O said:
I hope nick takes daley down and chokes him out. i hate one dimensional fighters
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I don't like Daley, but I have mixed feelings about one dimensional fighters, I'm probably just biased on the fighter, as oppose to the style. There are pure wreslters on my favorites list and pure wrestlers on my least liked list.
 
I had a surprisingly good workout last night. Also, my appetite has become ravenous and it's becoming really, really hard to keep my portions small.

Odd note, coitus with the wife seems to feel more stimulating. The buddy downstairs seems to have increased in sensitivity.

The potent thermogenic effect from the ANROLean doesnt stop to impress me. I sweat so easily and so much in reaction to cardio.

DELTS.

Hang Clean and Press [effing exhausting]
135lbs x 5 reps/x 5 reps
155lbs x 5 reps/x 5 reps
175lbs x 3 reps/x 3 reps
185lbs x 2 reps/x 2 reps
185lbs x 2 reps/x 2 reps

Hammer Shoulder Press
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 10 reps
220lbs x 10 reps
240lbs x 6 reps

Seated, One Arm, Db Lat Raises; Compound-Set to One Arm (same arm), Machine Front Raises
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps, each arm
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps, each arm
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 repss, each arm

Seated Db Upright Rows; Compound-Set to Machine Lat Raises; Compound-Set to Bent Over Db Reverse Flies
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps

I'm stuck at 203.5lbs. I had a carb up day last night so I woke up at 206lbs again, but after today it should be back down to 203.5 or 204.

I still need to pick up some Rhodiola, cause I'm starting to get more and more fatigued. Maybe one more week caffeine free and I'll get back to some pre-workouts.
 
Yah gets to be a bit of a bitch when you start to get really lean cuz you're not used to being that low. I think I am at my alhletic peak when I am round 15%, any lower and I feel it, it's different for everybody depending on body type.
 
VolcomX311 said:
I had a surprisingly good workout last night. Also, my appetite has become ravenous and it's becoming really, really hard to keep my portions small.

Odd note, coitus with the wife seems to feel more stimulating. The buddy downstairs seems to have increased in sensitivity.

The potent thermogenic effect from the ANROLean doesnt stop to impress me. I sweat so easily and so much in reaction to cardio.

DELTS.

Hang Clean and Press [effing exhausting]
135lbs x 5 reps/x 5 reps
155lbs x 5 reps/x 5 reps
175lbs x 3 reps/x 3 reps
185lbs x 2 reps/x 2 reps
185lbs x 2 reps/x 2 reps

Hammer Shoulder Press
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 10 reps
220lbs x 10 reps
240lbs x 6 reps

Seated, One Arm, Db Lat Raises; Compound-Set to One Arm (same arm), Machine Front Raises
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps, each arm
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps, each arm
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 repss, each arm

Seated Db Upright Rows; Compound-Set to Machine Lat Raises; Compound-Set to Bent Over Db Reverse Flies
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps

I'm stuck at 203.5lbs. I had a carb up day last night so I woke up at 206lbs again, but after today it should be back down to 203.5 or 204.

I still need to pick up some Rhodiola, cause I'm starting to get more and more fatigued. Maybe one more week caffeine free and I'll get back to some pre-workouts.
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How do you look in the mirror? Fuller, leaner?
 
VolcomX311 said:
I haven't really assessed myself in the mirror lately. Being that my weight hasn't moved, I haven't been expecting any aesthetic changes, but I'll give it a look-down tonight.
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Yah the mirror counts the scale doesn't....:yup: Plus you're on anabolics don't be surprised to see major differences without change on the scales...
 
VolcomX311 said:
I had a surprisingly good workout last night. Also, my appetite has become ravenous and it's becoming really, really hard to keep my portions small.

Odd note, coitus with the wife seems to feel more stimulating. The buddy downstairs seems to have increased in sensitivity.

The potent thermogenic effect from the ANROLean doesnt stop to impress me. I sweat so easily and so much in reaction to cardio.

DELTS.

Hang Clean and Press [effing exhausting]
135lbs x 5 reps/x 5 reps
155lbs x 5 reps/x 5 reps
175lbs x 3 reps/x 3 reps
185lbs x 2 reps/x 2 reps
185lbs x 2 reps/x 2 reps

Hammer Shoulder Press
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 10 reps
220lbs x 10 reps
240lbs x 6 reps

Seated, One Arm, Db Lat Raises; Compound-Set to One Arm (same arm), Machine Front Raises
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps, each arm
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps, each arm
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 repss, each arm

Seated Db Upright Rows; Compound-Set to Machine Lat Raises; Compound-Set to Bent Over Db Reverse Flies
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps
35lbs Db's x 10 reps/95lbs x 10 reps/35lbs Db's x 10 reps

I'm stuck at 203.5lbs. I had a carb up day last night so I woke up at 206lbs again, but after today it should be back down to 203.5 or 204.

I still need to pick up some Rhodiola, cause I'm starting to get more and more fatigued. Maybe one more week caffeine free and I'll get back to some pre-workouts.
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Impressing feedback and nothing short of an amazing workout :D
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

//CC
 
Rodja said:
What kind of deficit are you in right now?
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The last few days I've brought my calories back up, but I aim for 200kcal deficit from the diet a day, as a general practice, not counting the deficit created by cardio.

However, the last 2-3 days I've gone surplus, due to fatigue and a new insatiable appetitie that's arised, but I've clamped it down. Started my morning with two Tilapias and I don't intend to have any carbs today, short of the very base amount of carbs that exist peanuts.
 
Ronnie Rockel Gets a Bit Overly Aggressive With Branch Warren On Pose Downs

I'm surprised Branch didn't pop Ronnie Rockel right on stage. We've seen these pose downs get a bit pushy, but Rockel goes a bit overboard.

 
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