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VECTOR pre release leaks and info

Rockzilla said:
Any light shedding on your guises preworkout?
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Yes.
So we have been in testing for the pre for nearly 2 years.
This is because
1. Im not following the herd. Im not at all starting with a stim and adding whatever stuff is in everyone else's product.
2. We are aiming to use a bunch of novel ingredients. As such this means, generally speaking=
-Finding attractive ingredient targets
-finding the right source
-Figuring out extraction processes etc
-extensive testing both chemical and in vivo. etc etc etc etc etc.
Many times we find something that looks very attractive in studies but once we give is a run in human testers its less than exciting. So we can it.
This is a very lengthy and costly process but ultimately it is what allows me to continue to deliver novel ingredients to you guys.

Currently we have a rough formula and we are still testing.
The goal is this summer.
I can tell you that this is going to dominate anything available currently.
VECTOR2
https://blacklionresearch.com/collections/our-products/products/vector
 
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brundel said:
Yes.
So we have been in testing for the pre for nearly 2 years.
This is because
1. Im not following the herd. Im not at all starting with a stim and adding whatever stuff is in everyone else's product.
2. We are aiming to use a bunch of novel ingredients. As such this means, generally speaking=
-Finding attractive ingredient targets
-finding the right source
-Figuring out extraction processes etc
-extensive testing both chemical and in vivo. etc etc etc etc etc.
Many times we find something that looks very attractive in studies but once we give is a run in human testers its less than exciting. So we can it.
This is a very lengthy and costly process but ultimately it is what allows me to continue to deliver novel ingredients to you guys.

Currently we have a rough formula and we are still testing.
The goal is this summer.
I can tell you that this is going to dominate anything available currently.
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This sounds exciting, I have already seen a post where you aren’t really going to add stuff like beta alanine, or creatine, which is good, a lot of us have this in bulk or another ergotype sup.
 
Starting a mini bulk (3000 - 3500 calories/day) this week and will be supplementing with Vector. What do you recommend for dosing? I will be doing two caps a day, three times a day:

Option 1) 7am (pre meal), 12-1pm (pre meal), 6-7 pm (pre meal)

OR

Option 2) 7am (pre meal), 12-1pm (pre meal), 4-5 pm (pre workout)

Does Vector provide any performance benefits when taken pre workout or should I stick to only before meals?
 
Rockzilla said:
This sounds exciting, I have already seen a post where you aren’t really going to add stuff like beta alanine, or creatine, which is good, a lot of us have this in bulk or another ergotype sup.
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We need to see more innovation in this industry. Stagnation is killing us.
 
soxbsbll05 said:
Starting a mini bulk (3000 - 3500 calories/day) this week and will be supplementing with Vector. What do you recommend for dosing? I will be doing two caps a day, three times a day:

Option 1) 7am (pre meal), 12-1pm (pre meal), 6-7 pm (pre meal)

OR

Option 2) 7am (pre meal), 12-1pm (pre meal), 4-5 pm (pre workout)

Does Vector provide any performance benefits when taken pre workout or should I stick to only before meals?
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I think Id stick with pre meal. The pre workout might make you hypoglycemic
 
DemntedCowboy said:
No other td's at this time
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Lather up right after a shower. I like 2 pumps at a time. If you take 2 showers a day Try 2 pumps after each shower. on non-workout days I usually only shower once a day and still just use 2 pumps. I like to keep it simple. I usually consume less calories and more protein shakes on off days.
 
brundel said:
I think Id stick with pre meal. The pre workout might make you hypoglycemic
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I love the pre workout dose and have tried it both ways. For me it definitely has acute effects on my strength during workouts. I don't go hypo from it so give it a shot one day, no harm in experimenting for just one day.
 
ttortman78 said:
I love the pre workout dose and have tried it both ways. For me it definitely has acute effects on my strength during workouts. I don't go hypo from it so give it a shot one day, no harm in experimenting for just one day.
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I like it pre workout as well (Nice Strength push). of course I work out in the evening after eating 4 of my 6 meals throughout the day.
 
ttortman78 said:
I love the pre workout dose and have tried it both ways. For me it definitely has acute effects on my strength during workouts. I don't go hypo from it so give it a shot one day, no harm in experimenting for just one day.
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Yah if you can do it and you feel good while training I would use it pre workout. There are a number of ingredients with acute effects.
 
The Exotherm did?
How broken? Your in EU right? So it didnt come directly from us. You can always contact the distributor.
Or if its not like completely destroyed it might work fine.
 
brundel said:
The Exotherm did?
How broken? Your in EU right? So it didnt come directly from us. You can always contact the distributor.
Or if its not like completely destroyed it might work fine.
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Yes, bought in EU. Power ... etc etc ...
It works ... thanks!
 
I'm really loving adding in VIRON and LETRONE into my daily affair to supplement parallel to my TRT. This is changing everything for the better. Energy and leaning out. Bonus: Dreams are vivid and plentiful. Two of the best supplements ever.

Viron - Lower SHBG and free up test while that Longifolia helps in other areas such as lowering cortisol; increased libido and well being. Letron - Increased IGF-1 and lowering Estrogen

Could not be happier with this addition, and for me it's just one capsule of each daily for now. 1 week in, and it's made a positive difference.
 
So I just want to put this out there.
I think Ive discovered a new natural anabolic.

Anabolic #3 is in the works and we will likely be alpha testing within 15 days.

And We will be final phase testing our pre over the next 45 days.

I think within the next few months we will have another anabolic and a pre. ;)


And this pre is FIRE. Like no other.
The anabolic needs testing before I can make any statements regarding efficacy.
 
brundel said:
So I just want to put this out there.
I think Ive discovered a new natural anabolic.

Anabolic #3 is in the works and we will likely be alpha testing within 15 days.

And We will be final phase testing our pre over the next 45 days.

I think within the next few months we will have another anabolic and a pre. ;)


And this pre is FIRE. Like no other.
The anabolic needs testing before I can make any statements regarding efficacy.
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Brundel.. not cool.. I haven't gotten around to trying the first 2 natty anabolics yet you can't just find a new one like this.. although if I have the money I can add it to my natty stack I'm planning later this year during off time..
 
brundel said:
So I just want to put this out there.
I think Ive discovered a new natural anabolic.

Anabolic #3 is in the works and we will likely be alpha testing within 15 days.

And We will be final phase testing our pre over the next 45 days.

I think within the next few months we will have another anabolic and a pre. ;)


And this pre is FIRE. Like no other.
The anabolic needs testing before I can make any statements regarding efficacy.
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Awesome News! always looking to see what is new from BLR.
 
brundel said:
So I just want to put this out there.
I think Ive discovered a new natural anabolic.

Anabolic #3 is in the works and we will likely be alpha testing within 15 days.

And We will be final phase testing our pre over the next 45 days.

I think within the next few months we will have another anabolic and a pre. ;)


And this pre is FIRE. Like no other.
The anabolic needs testing before I can make any statements regarding efficacy.
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Will be interesting to see what you guys do with a pre.
 
brundel said:
Exactly. Sure, it might raise test. Sure you might also see a rise in DHT but I dont know of any test boosters than raise test above normal range and therefore will also not raise DHT out of normal ranges.

Some people are just going to go Bald.
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apparently it doesInvalid Link Removed
 
About to start a second run haven’t taken vector since early June, I ended up maintaining the 12 lbs I gained on vector. To be honest all gains were made in the first six weeks hits hard and early. A buddy of mine wants to try it so I told him I would run it with him, just place a order today and have all ready got tracking from blr.
 
cgreid3 said:
apparently it doesInvalid Link Removed
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We get it, you’re finding every way possible to not take Vector. No need to continually post the same thing in multiple threads.

By the way, this statement was false after it was discovered that the guy was on TRT.

I’m not sure how anyone can possible believe that a natty anabolic will raise test. Oh well!
 
soxbsbll05 said:
We get it, you’re finding every way possible to not take Vector. No need to continually post the same thing in multiple threads.

By the way, this statement was false after it was discovered that the guy was on TRT.

I’m not sure how anyone can possible believe that a natty anabolic will raise test. Oh well!
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It was clomid, not TRT but you're right. I was under the impression he'd stopped the Clomid months ago, but I could be wrong. In any case, you're right. people will post anything and in multiple threads. It's like swinging a hammer around in hopes of hitting a nail.
 
justhere4comm said:
It was clomid, not TRT but you're right. I was under the impression he'd stopped the Clomid months ago, but I could be wrong. In any case, you're right. people will post anything and in multiple threads. It's like swinging a hammer around in hopes of hitting a nail.
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Idk I'm not sure he's making much impact.. he's obviously butthurt about something and blames blr for what ever it is.. kinda unrelated.. there are too many logs about vector showing consistent results for people who are experienced and have considerable size already.. not untrained new lifters who can gain 20lbs in 6 weeks by eating and lifting consistently alone.. after like 6 logs I just started skimming through them.. pretty sure the only negative side was that one dude who felt it gave him an intolerably level of gaseousness..
 
D3x said:
Idk I'm not sure he's making much impact.. he's obviously butthurt about something and blames blr for what ever it is.. kinda unrelated.. there are too many logs about vector showing consistent results for people who are experienced and have considerable size already.. not untrained new lifters who can gain 20lbs in 6 weeks by eating and lifting consistently alone.. after like 6 logs I just started skimming through them.. pretty sure the only negative side was that one dude who felt it gave him an intolerably level of gaseousness..
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You must harness the gas for more power in the squats. Gas is a bonus. :)
Two said they had the poops, and another had constipation, but that means more diet adjustment to me as I became constipated but oddly just started my ketogenic.. too many nuts will bind you up and not enough fiber.
 
Just get yourself some evomuse Brite and use it as needed for that issue.. I promise you'll no longer be bound up..
 
D3x said:
Just get yourself some evomuse Brite and use it as needed for that issue.. I promise you'll no longer be bound up..
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Oh, it was just one time where the train wouldn't leave the station, but now the train leaves like clockwork every morning. Haha.. TMI?

I've moved into carb cycling and things are far more elegant. :D
 
D3x said:
Brundel.. not cool.. I haven't gotten around to trying the first 2 natty anabolics yet you can't just find a new one like this.. although if I have the money I can add it to my natty stack I'm planning later this year during off time..
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Its all good bro, BLR isnt going anywhere. Im gonna keep cranking these out but Vector isnt going to be discontinued or anything.
We will just have more options. This stuff looks exceptional.
 
brundel said:
I was unaware there was an interaction with forskolin and Berberine.
I dont know of any.
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Berberine seems too interact with some supplements according too Examine.

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Theoretically possible that Berberine can reduce the fat burning effects of PDE inhibitors (luteolin,*resveratrol) and forskolin (active ingredient in*coleus forskohlii)
 
xo0ox said:
Berberine seems too interact with some supplements according too Examine.

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Theoretically possible that Berberine can reduce the fat burning effects of PDE inhibitors (luteolin,*resveratrol) and forskolin (active ingredient in*coleus forskohlii)
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PDE inhibition isnt the primary MOA of either Vector or Foll so I think there are no worries bro.
 
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