VECTOR pre release leaks and info

DemntedCowboy said:
Ok so bloodwork got pushed out to October, and I go on Vacation in December so my next big run wont be till January. So what did I do I picked up Vector, and FD2.0 to keep me going. Is there any issues running these with Radiate?
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I dont know of any reason they cant be used together.
 
brundel said:
I dont blame you. I remember when I started using supplements and I bought all the products that claimed to deliver results.
For the most part I was disappointed. I dont think I can remember one product that actually worked as described. Creatine was ok.
But this is why I made it our primary goal to make innovative products that work. This way when someone buys a BLR product they are not disappointed.
If any product is gonna make you a believer.....Vector will be the one.
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Again, real talk right here by brundel. He does extensive research and testing for each ingredient and every product. His dedication to his craft is mind boggling. This dude is the truth! I have used his products since 2014, and all of his products deliver as promised!
 
resrch3d said:
brundel , vector good to run with cardarine? I see no reason it wouldn't be but possible hypo issues maybe?
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I realize you asked Brundel about this, but with my results being increased endurance and power output, I wouldn't see the benefit to add in Cardarine, at least in the beginning 4-6 weeks. One should see how they respond to a new supplement first and realize how it is being effective instead of stacking it with another (non-natural) product like GW501516 which is a PPAR agonist. It's known to increase performance, and has fat oxidizing capabilities.

I'd love to see you try Vector solo.

-M
 
DA_MOSS said:
I think i've got to see this for myself.. Looks like i'll be grabbing a few bottles.. Im a skeptic when it comes to claims like the one's made here, but i sure hope that Vector makes me a believer!
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Definitely agree with you here brother. Some big shoes for fill with those bold claims. Not saying it's bullshìt at all just from being in the supp game so long whenever I hear marketing claims so bold it tends to disappoint. Truthfully for a seasoned lifter and gym enthusiast just gaining 3 beneficial lbs off of a natty run would be a damn good cycle. Let alone 10 on average or whatever is being reported from vector. I will have to give it a test.
 
I want to run this so bad, but have to see it’s impact on hemoglobin/RBCs/hematocrit first. Hopefully someone does some labs soon.
 
I've been on Vector (and FD2) for about 10 days, maybe it's in my head but I believe I'm seeing slight recomp/body effects. Which is my goal. I am not some hardcore caliper/measuring scale guy, I go by photos and mirror changes, and I definitely see some in both. I am excited to see what 30 days gets me, I'm about 95% sure I'll be doing a 2 bottle run of both Vector/FD2 at least. I'll probably add Letrone as well.
 
resrch3d said:
brundel , vector good to run with cardarine? I see no reason it wouldn't be but possible hypo issues maybe?
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Cardarine can modulate insulin output and glucose uptake.
Just be aware. Make sure to dose products with some carbs, keep some fast carbs handy (I keep glucose tabs in my gym bag) and increase overall calories. Keep an eye out for any hypo effects. If you feel lethargic or dizzy or nauseated etc then slam down some sugary food. Fruit or even skittles etc.
Im not suggesting you eat candy all day but instead that you have it just incase. Emergency only.
 
LiveToLift said:
Definitely agree with you here brother. Some big shoes for fill with those bold claims. Not saying it's bullshìt at all just from being in the supp game so long whenever I hear marketing claims so bold it tends to disappoint. Truthfully for a seasoned lifter and gym enthusiast just gaining 3 beneficial lbs off of a natty run would be a damn good cycle. Let alone 10 on average or whatever is being reported from vector. I will have to give it a test.
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This one (Vector) is different. Plus just in this thread alone there are probably 50 solid reports from users experiencing the same results. This anecdotal evidence alone should help to make the decision to give it a test drive. Once you have been using it a couple weeks youll see. Its hard to imagine it works as well as it does. You will be pleasantly surprised.
 
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TommyTuffGuy said:
I've been on Vector (and FD2) for about 10 days, maybe it's in my head but I believe I'm seeing slight recomp/body effects. Which is my goal. I am not some hardcore caliper/measuring scale guy, I go by photos and mirror changes, and I definitely see some in both. I am excited to see what 30 days gets me, I'm about 95% sure I'll be doing a 2 bottle run of both Vector/FD2 at least. I'll probably add Letrone as well.
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And so it begins!
 
brundel said:
This one (Vector) is different. Plus just in this thread alone there are probably 50 solid reports from users experiencing the same results. This anecdotal evidence alone should help to make the decision to give it a test drive. Once you have been using it a couple weeks youll see. Its hard to imagine it works as well as it does. You will be pleasantly surprised.
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For sure brother you've been in the game a while as well so you surely understand where the concern would be legitimate but I have been hearing great feedback so I must say nicely done! :)
 
Starting week 4 of VECTOR and here are my thoughts so far.

First, I'm in PCT after an LGD-4033 cycle, and just ended my Clomid run after 3 weeks (50/50/25mg). I haven't seen any "gains" at all, and no change in pumps or workout endurance. BUT I haven't lost any strength, weight, or fullness at all since the end of the LGD cycle, so that's a HUGE plus. To be able to hold onto these things post-cycle is well worth the cost of the bottle. Now that my HPTA is bouncing back it should be interesting to see how weeks 4-8 go.

It hasn't been all rainbows and unicorns though, folks! I read about guys having issues with histamine and rashes earlier in the thread, and I'm definitely one of them. Unless I take Claritin or Cetirizine/Zyrtec daily my back and scalp get itch flare-ups so bad it feels like they're on fire. I actually have bruising on my shoulder blades from having to rub my back against wall corners just to scratch the itch. This started to hit about a week in. Once I made the connection though I started taking the anti-histamines and could actually sleep.
 
Any one notice any side effects while on vector? Bloating, headaches, stomach issues, etc.?
 
Cjg said:
Any one notice any side effects while on vector? Bloating, headaches, stomach issues, etc.?
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See the post directly above yours. Others have also reported headaches, lethargy, congestion, hypoglycemia. Most of these seem to be solved by drinking more water and eating more carbohydrates.
 
Week one in the books. Started vector at 2 caps 3x per day along with 1x viron and 1x letrone with morning dose. Effects noticed so far: deeper sleep and vivid dreams, but waking up feeling lethargic. This goes away shortly after getting out of bed and getting my first meal/coffee of the day. First few days I had mild GI symptoms, more trips to the bathroom but subsided by day 4. Endurance and focus were higher today in the gym. I was cutting my rest periods between sets, just feeling eager and ready to keep lifting. All weights increased on every lift. Noticed bloating/water retention the last 2 days. Increasing my water intake from 4L to 5L to see if this will fix it.

Currently in a 200 cal deficit with moderate to low carb intake, mostly from oats, rice and greens.
 
justhere4comm said:
I realize you asked Brundel about this, but with my results being increased endurance and power output, I wouldn't see the benefit to add in Cardarine, at least in the beginning 4-6 weeks. One should see how they respond to a new supplement first and realize how it is being effective instead of stacking it with another (non-natural) product like GW501516 which is a PPAR agonist. It's known to increase performance, and has fat oxidizing capabilities.

I'd love to see you try Vector solo.

-M
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You may be right. I saw a one year pic of myself and i have gained a good deal of fat on my stomach and it's driving me nuts. Probably being I'm patient and aggrevated that I made fat loss progress and reversed it big time while adding strength and some mass.

Good advice. I may stick it out a while longer to see what vector can do on its own.
 
resrch3d said:
You may be right. I saw a one year pic of myself and i have gained a good deal of fat on my stomach and it's driving me nuts. Probably being I'm patient and aggrevated that I made fat loss progress and reversed it big time while adding strength and some mass.

Good advice. I may stick it out a while longer to see what vector can do on its own.
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Give it a go alone with Vector, get your diet on like needle point, and rock the gym and keep it creative. Mix it the F up.
I'm doing what you are, and have been out of the gym for a while due to a back injury then again with a fall on my bike. I got some love handles to shed, and a belly to bust. I'm doing it right along with you bro.

Now, drop and give me 50... ok 25..., do what you can, and keep your spirits up.

-M
 
Mike NCR said:
Starting week 4 of VECTOR and here are my thoughts so far.

First, I'm in PCT after an LGD-4033 cycle, and just ended my Clomid run after 3 weeks (50/50/25mg). I haven't seen any "gains" at all, and no change in pumps or workout endurance. BUT I haven't lost any strength, weight, or fullness at all since the end of the LGD cycle, so that's a HUGE plus. To be able to hold onto these things post-cycle is well worth the cost of the bottle. Now that my HPTA is bouncing back it should be interesting to see how weeks 4-8 go.

It hasn't been all rainbows and unicorns though, folks! I read about guys having issues with histamine and rashes earlier in the thread, and I'm definitely one of them. Unless I take Claritin or Cetirizine/Zyrtec daily my back and scalp get itch flare-ups so bad it feels like they're on fire. I actually have bruising on my shoulder blades from having to rub my back against wall corners just to scratch the itch. This started to hit about a week in. Once I made the connection though I started taking the anti-histamines and could actually sleep.
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I think I remember there being a drug interaction with clomid and antihistamines. Might want to take a quick look into it.
 
omega_spartan said:
Week one in the books. Started vector at 2 caps 3x per day along with 1x viron and 1x letrone with morning dose. Effects noticed so far: deeper sleep and vivid dreams, but waking up feeling lethargic. This goes away shortly after getting out of bed and getting my first meal/coffee of the day. First few days I had mild GI symptoms, more trips to the bathroom but subsided by day 4. Endurance and focus were higher today in the gym. I was cutting my rest periods between sets, just feeling eager and ready to keep lifting. All weights increased on every lift. Noticed bloating/water retention the last 2 days. Increasing my water intake from 4L to 5L to see if this will fix it.

Currently in a 200 cal deficit with moderate to low carb intake, mostly from oats, rice and greens.
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The morning lethargy is low blood sugar. Try some fats before bed. Like peanut butter or trail mix. Helps me a ton.
 
Strength gains keep climbing for me! I am currently stronger in the gym then I have been in years. Still loving this stuff (on the 3rd tub).
 
ELROCK said:
Strength gains keep climbing for me! I am currently stronger in the gym then I have been in years. Still loving this stuff (on the 3 tub).
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That is pretty awesome.

I just got off of a 9 day de-condition, when I hit the gym yesterday I was hitting my ending weight / Reps on 2 of the same lifts. (only have 2 to go by since I change up every 8 weeks). This has never happened before that I can remember.
Note: I continued to take Vector on my 9 days off.
 
I almost want to forgo my cut just to give this a go (I’m pretty sure vector and clen won’t go together)......

I’ll definitely be trying it this year, might be nearer the end after my next cycle though.
 
Whisky said:
I almost want to forgo my cut just to give this a go (I’m pretty sure vector and clen won’t go together)......

I’ll definitely be trying it this year, might be nearer the end after my next cycle though.
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Why? I'm using it on a cut as the foundational muscle retainer in a deficit.
 
justhere4comm said:
Why? I'm using it on a cut as the foundational muscle retainer in a deficit.
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Primarily because I cut fairly low carb (heck even my bulks are pretty low carb by most people’s standards).......

Seems better suited to a lean bulk just from what I’ve read but I could easily be wrong
 
Whisky said:
Primarily because I cut fairly low carb (heck even my bulks are pretty low carb by most people’s standards).......

Seems better suited to a lean bulk just from what I’ve read but I could easily be wrong
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You raise a valid concern. I'm going low carb and energy is up, and I feel great. Going to up my activity levels this coming week to see how it goes. You know yourself better than anyone. Go with how you feel. Nothing wrong with that.

BR!
M
 
justhere4comm said:
You raise a valid concern. I'm going low carb and energy is up, and I feel great. Going to up my activity levels this coming week to see how it goes. You know yourself better than anyone. Go with how you feel. Nothing wrong with that.

BR!
M
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To be honest I have both clen and ecay stack in ready for a cut so may as well use them as I normally tolerate stims well.

But vector seems great for lean bulks between cycles for me. I’m 36 and previously fat AF do the gda properties alone have benefits to me. The fact older members are making gains is a good sign.

I’ll definitely be running it some point this year, that’s for sure
 
Whisky said:
To be honest I have both clen and ecay stack in ready for a cut so may as well use them as I normally tolerate stims well.

But vector seems great for lean bulks between cycles for me. I’m 36 and previously fat AF do the gda properties alone have benefits to me. The fact older members are making gains is a good sign.

I’ll definitely be running it some point this year, that’s for sure
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Just ordered mine Whiskey I'll let you know when it comes in. I'm running it on a cut
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Just ordered mine Whiskey I'll let you know when it comes in. I'm running it on a cut
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Haha, to be honest I’ve already planned to follow how you get on through your thread bro (seen you were running it), on one of my earlier posts in this thread I said it was certain members results that were interesting to me, you get results that’s all the recommendation I need....
 
Cjg said:
Any one notice any side effects while on vector? Bloating, headaches, stomach issues, etc.?
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None of those for me. I am VERY sensitive to stomach issues, etc. I cannot take forskoliin whatsoever and if Vector did anything like that to me I'd drop it immediately.
 
My workout yesterday was really good. 830 pm when I'm wore out from the day. I was blasting through my chest and back workout. Pumps were great! I was definitely pushing myself harder, was getting close to puking feeling, then hit the row machine. Usually I save cardio for lighter lift days but with the addition of vector, I was pushing my limits. It will be nice to see what the coming days weeks will be like.
 
brundel said:
The morning lethargy is low blood sugar. Try some fats before bed. Like peanut butter or trail mix. Helps me a ton.
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Started eating a handful of almonds and some Greek yogurt before bed. Day 2 of this, no change in morning lethargy yet. Going to up the amount of food before bed and see if any changes occur.
 
omega_spartan said:
Started eating a handful of almonds and some Greek yogurt before bed. Day 2 of this, no change in morning lethargy yet. Going to up the amount of food before bed and see if any changes occur.
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Has training volume increased?
Getting enough water? At least 1 gal.

Your goal is cut?
 
ELROCK said:
I am in the 9th week and yes strength still climbing. Very impressed with it.
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Insane bro.
Alot of the guys who started testing the full product are still going and still making progress and we are maybe 4 months in.
 
Re-subbed (not sure why my notifications stopped again)

Even though I stopped my own Vector run prematurely, I still want to follow along!
 
ELROCK said:
Why did you stop your run?
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It was actually just about a month ago that I stopped.

Mostly because I was not able to do much due to my elbow tendonitis. I subsequently went on a prohormone cycle in hopes it would go away and it worked! Well, first I went on Ostarine which did not work out so well and I also did the BPC and Laxogenin. Once I started some prohormones though it has been a different story!

There is also the unfortunate possibility that Vector does not agree with my GI system...much like Danes.

Now that I am on a prohormone run...I will be saving my Vector to explore again at a later time..
 
Ricky10 said:
It was actually just about a month ago that I stopped.

Mostly because I was not able to do much due to my elbow tendonitis. I subsequently went on a prohormone cycle in hopes it would go away and it worked! Well, first I went on Ostarine which did not work out so well and I also did the BPC and Laxogenin. Once I started some prohormones though it has been a different story!

There is also the unfortunate possibility that Vector does not agree with my GI system...much like Danes.

Now that I am on a prohormone run...I will be saving my Vector to explore again at a later time..
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Fair enough. Let me know if you want to work a trade for your tub.

Also I think changing up the dosing scheme and using about a week or two worth of trial and error and you will find away to get around the GI issues you were having with it. Just a thought. I only dose 1 cap at a time except on the biggest meal of the day I will take 2 caps.
 
ELROCK said:
Fair enough. Let me know if you want to work a trade for your tub.

Also I think changing up the dosing scheme and using about a week or two worth of trial and error and you will find away to get around the GI issues you were having with it. Just a thought. I only dose 1 cap at a time except on the biggest meal of the day I will take 2 caps.
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You dose 1 cap 4 times a day and 2 caps with large meal?
 
I decided to take my wife to Potillo's about an hour from our home today as a treat, as well take Vector out for a test drive...

I ate:
- 1 Beef and Cheddar Croissant
- 1 Italian Beef
- 1 Hot dog
- 1 Tamale
- 1 Chocolate Eclair Cake
- 1 Chocolate Shake
- 3 Bottles of water

Holy bottomless pit. I let my hair down for a moment and hell if I couldn't just pound the food. I don't feel bloated either.
This could be dangerous, but it was nice to get that over with. Tomorrow my body is in for a shock... back to low carbs. Ha.
 
Tomorrow last day of the first jar.
Ready the second!

a fact that I add very happy:
significantly increased strength.

we see in the second jar.

;)

edti:

I am in hypocaloric ��
 
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