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VECTOR pre release leaks and info

bigsmall said:
brundel - you mentioned that Vector was going to be a little 'wet' compared to Folidrone 2. Did your testers find their joints felt better, maybe less inflammation, any other related effects?
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My joints feel fine. Note: I have a lot of wear and tear from 35+ years.
Now that I think about it I would say it is easy on your joints. Wouldn't say it was a drastic improvement but definitely easy on the joints. and I continue to push more weight.
As far as "WET" I would say it's a little wet. This could be confused with how it affects my hunger. I was craving calories quite a bit. I have done better the last week trying to eat under maintenance. and actually dropped 1.5 lbs. Not much but only averaged 115 cals under over the last 6 days.
 
max silver said:
You have mentioned that there are androgenic effects to Vector, how about androgenic side effects? For those concerned about their hairline, do you suspect this will lead to shedding? And how about negative effects on the prostate for users over 40 such as myself?
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Im 54 and I have had no prostate issues or shedding of hair. No I have always been Natty, drink a lot of water and piss like a fire hose.
Note I'm not prone to hair loss except what has naturally happened over the years. No male pattern baldness just a slow receding hairline.
 
brundel said:
Gonna try to get this out tonight. Got Food poisoning or the stomach flu or something and its slowed progress.
Trying to settle enough to finish writing.
Ingredient 1 writeup is basically done I just need to proof read and release.
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That sucks! hope you get to feeling better.
 
If BLR released a stack would you call it the Brundel Bundle?
You could also release a smaller sized stack and call it the Humble Brundel Bundle.
Imo it's really a jumble.
 
brundel just finished 4 months of fd2 (great results), taking feb off (no fd2) but will be doing a bottle of viron this month, then was planning to start fd2 again in march...the news about vector changes things (just heard about it today)...do you recommend that I stick to my plan and just add the vector in once I start fd2 again in march? (The goal is to add size - lean bulk)
 
Perceus said:
brundel just finished 4 months of fd2 (great results), taking feb off (no fd2) but will be doing a bottle of viron this month, then was planning to start fd2 again in march...the news about vector changes things (just heard about it today)...do you recommend that I stick to my plan and just add the vector in once I start fd2 again in march? (The goal is to add size - lean bulk)
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Honestly being that you have 4 months of FD2.0 under your belt I think you would notice differences in adding Vector. For me the idea of adding Virgin would be CRAZY unless my girl was right with me as I can’t figure out how you could have the willpower to not chase everything that has a heartbeat lol.

All three would make a lean bulk amazing if you can remain disciplined and add the consistency of training.
 
DEVANS89 said:
I know you got a lot on your plate

But it would be cool if you did like Instagram live/stories about the products/ingredients etc

Live Q&A’s etc
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This is a great idea.
We do plan on some things like this. Im going to put out some videos talking about the ingredients and a launch Video.
This launch is going to be huge and we are going to try to get everyone involved. Will be some cool stuff coming.
Maybe we can do a live Q&A, ingredient profile video. Going to shoot some footage with an IFBB pro buddy of mine this week as well. Training stuff.
We are doing 3 types of these.
1. is actual training footage with IFBB pros.
2. Is Training tips with a master trainer.
3. is Supplementation videos.

I think a Q&A would be a great addition.
 
cbr1000rr said:
nice intro, really looking forward to starting vector. can you share with us the release date so I can stop checking this thread every few hours? : )
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I just dont know. We are waiting on the Raws to land.
For now head to our website and sign up for the newsletter. This way youll get an email telling you when Launch is, when the sale is and also when we have new stuff, tester trials, coupon codes etc. 2018 is going to be a great year for those signed up as we are doing some great loyalty bonuses.
 
Perceus said:
brundel just finished 4 months of fd2 (great results), taking feb off (no fd2) but will be doing a bottle of viron this month, then was planning to start fd2 again in march...the news about vector changes things (just heard about it today)...do you recommend that I stick to my plan and just add the vector in once I start fd2 again in march? (The goal is to add size - lean bulk)
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I think the FD2, Vector, Viron stack is really solid. As far as a natural cycle goes I cant think of anything that would be this effective.
I think stick to the plan and add in Vector. Interested to see what happens ;)
 
brundel said:
I think the FD2, Vector, Viron stack is really solid. As far as a natural cycle goes I cant think of anything that would be this effective.
I think stick to the plan and add in Vector. Interested to see what happens ;)
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Hey brundel would adding Letrone to the stack also be beneficial?
 
jgntyce said:
Hey brundel would adding Letrone to the stack also be beneficial?
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I'm not brundle but I would think that would work very well together. thought about a VECTOR / VIRON / and LETHRONE stack this summer.
I was going to call it the VVL stack of love!

Seriously, I would think It would help with BF reduction while increasing muscle mass with VIRON.
 
Studhorse said:
I'm not brundle but I would think that would work very well together. thought about a VECTOR / VIRON / and LETHRONE stack this summer.
I was going to call it the VVL stack of love!

Seriously, I would think It would help with BF reduction while increasing muscle mass with VIRON.
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Well I am currently on the FVL stack with FD2, viron, and letrone! Great progress and results so far. Adding vector will just give me even better results.
 
brundel I was not planning on stacking all 3 (viron fd2 and vector). I was planning on doing a bottle of viron this month (bc im taking a 1 month break from fd2). Then next month (march) I was just gonna do fd2 again and stack it with vector. Does running just 1 bottle of viron this month not make sense?
 
Perceus said:
brundel I was not planning on stacking all 3 (viron fd2 and vector). I was planning on doing a bottle of viron this month (bc im taking a 1 month break from fd2). Then next month (march) I was just gonna do fd2 again and stack it with vector. Does running just 1 bottle of viron this month not make sense?
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1 month isn’t ideal, but Viron’s effects come on very quickly. You could notice increased libido within first few days, and still will benefit from its use. If money permits it, stacking all 3 would be your best bet, but if you can’t then you should still enjoy the month of Viron...
 
Perceus said:
brundel I was not planning on stacking all 3 (viron fd2 and vector). I was planning on doing a bottle of viron this month (bc im taking a 1 month break from fd2). Then next month (march) I was just gonna do fd2 again and stack it with vector. Does running just 1 bottle of viron this month not make sense?
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I second Todd. Youll see better results with a bit longer use as 4 weeks is really short for anything anabolic. It takes time to build muscle and or burn fat even with supplements.
 
TheMovement said:
Honestly being that you have 4 months of FD2.0 under your belt I think you would notice differences in adding Vector. For me the idea of adding Virgin would be CRAZY unless my girl was right with me as I can’t figure out how you could have the willpower to not chase everything that has a heartbeat lol.

All three would make a lean bulk amazing if you can remain disciplined and add the consistency of training.
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Ehhmm :stupid:
Lucky guy...LOL
 
Personally I find all these negative posts driven at brundel a bit embarrassing from a community I think so highly of. The mans said on numerous occasions that he’s working the best he can to get it all right. He’s sick, and wants it to be right when he releases it. Would u as a business owner or an artist even want to put something out into the world when it wasn’t right. No I guarantee you would not. And he’s explaining their are logistics involved in the release date. So let’s just all have patience and understanding and be thrilled that the answer to our gains is coming soon and just enjoy Studhorse progress with this and visualize the gains we’ll all make. Sorry for the rant but I’m old lol
 
bloodnthunder said:
Personally I find all these negative posts driven at brundel a bit embarrassing from a community I think so highly of. The mans said on numerous occasions that he’s working the best he can to get it all right. He’s sick, and wants it to be right when he releases it. Would u as a business owner or an artist even want to put something out into the world when it wasn’t right. No I guarantee you would not. And he’s explaining their are logistics involved in the release date. So let’s just all have patience and understanding and be thrilled that the answer to our gains is coming soon and just enjoy Studhorse progress with this and visualize the gains we’ll all make. Sorry for the rant but I’m old lol
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Hear hear!!!
Old guy here too.

:afro:
 
bloodnthunder said:
Personally I find all these negative posts driven at brundel a bit embarrassing from a community I think so highly of. The mans said on numerous occasions that he’s working the best he can to get it all right. He’s sick, and wants it to be right when he releases it. Would u as a business owner or an artist even want to put something out into the world when it wasn’t right. No I guarantee you would not. And he’s explaining their are logistics involved in the release date. So let’s just all have patience and understanding and be thrilled that the answer to our gains is coming soon and just enjoy Studhorse progress with this and visualize the gains we’ll all make. Sorry for the rant but I’m old lol
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Dilly Dilly!
 
Ok so lets start getting some juicy data out for you guys.
Im going to talk about each ingredient solo. Part of this is so people understand that while this is a blend of 3 ingredients these could easily have been used alone. Each one tested really well by itself. Nonetheless, I wanted Vector to be an impressive product so there are all 3 in 1. There will be 6 caps.
3000mg daily dose.

These days we dont have really many anabolic options. You can go the AAS route of course and you can use whats left of the prohormones like the DHEA derivatives but honestly these are expensive to use at the doses required and most products dont contain enough for them to be viable. In addition they are just as suppressive as running a steroid cycle in most cases so why even bother with them.

With regards to "natural anabolics"...... we have seen some people give valiant efforts but it seems like they keep falling short.
Follidrone 2.0 is good but its a very lean gainer.
We need a solution. VECTOR is that solution.

-You want to grow some legit muscle tissue? Vector can get you there. Even larger guys 240lbs + and Older guys at 54yrs+ have grown upwards of 10+lbs in testing.

-You want to burn fat? Vector is a great anabolic fat burner. 100% of the testers mentioned looking leaner while gaining muscle. There are numerous ways in which Vector helps keep the fat burning off.

-You want performance enhancement? Vector can give you this as well. Studies indicate and our tests indicate that this stuff is a real performance powerhouse increasing endurance, strength and power output.

Ok.... this is alot to claim. I get it.
Lets talk about how this is possible.---------------
 
ERIOBOTRYA JAPONICA -1000mg/100:1 extract.
Eriobotrya Japonica (EJ) or Loquat is a fruiting plant commonly used for food, added to alcholic beverages and sometimes used for health and longevity. EJ contains a host of interesting chemicals with a number of effects that are beneficial to those looking to build muscle, burn fat or increase athletic performance. Loquat for bodybuilders? On the surface EJ doesnt seem to be super exciting but nothing could be further from the truth. There have been a number of studies indicating that the proper extract at a high enough dose can lead to gains in muscle mass, strength and fat loss. Studies indicate EJ Increases the expression of myogenic genes MyoD, Myogenin and MyHC. This increased expression corresponds with an increase in the activity of Creatine Kinase a myogenic differentiation marker. Finally EJ activates the AKT/mTOR pathway and subsequently promotes muscle protein synthesis and a gain in lean muscle mass. In studies EJ was shown to prevent muscle atrophy and increase muscle hypertrophy so its great if your cutting and want to preserve muscle and its great if you want to bulk.
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AKT/Mtor
Akt is known as effector of insulin/IGF-1 signalling and it can induce muscle hypertrophy through a pathway involving rapamycin-sensitive mTOR.
mTOR regulates PGC-1a expression, which is a key regulator of mitochondria biogenesis, and the expression of PGC-1a has been implicated in the control of skeletal muscle mass. The activation of the Akt/mTOR pathway and its downstream targets, p70S6K and PHAS-1/4E-BP1, is requisitely involved in regulating skeletal muscle fiber size. Acute AKT activation also leads to a decrease in adipose tissue (fat loss)

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The pathways that are sufficient to induce hypertrophy in skeletal muscle have been the subject of some controversy. We describe here the use of a novel method to produce a transgenic mouse in which a constitutively active form of Akt can be inducibly expressed in adult skeletal muscle and thereby demonstrate that acute activation of Akt is sufficient to induce rapid and significant skeletal muscle hypertrophy in vivo, accompanied by activation of the downstream Akt/p70S6 kinase protein synthesis pathway. Upon induction of Akt in skeletal muscle, there was also a significant decrease in adipose tissue. These findings suggest that pharmacologic approaches directed toward activating Akt will be useful in inducing skeletal muscle hypertrophy and that an increase in lean muscle mass is sufficient to decrease fat storage."

MyHC
Myosin heavy-chain synthesis rate is correlated with measures of muscle strength, circulating insulin-like growth factor 1 and
dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate in men and women and free testosterone levels in men.

MyoD
both MyoD and myogenin genes are necessary in the regenerative process for the proliferation of satellite cells (myoblasts) and for the development of early regenerating fibers (myotubes). The expression of Myod is sufficient to convert a fibroblast to a skeletal muscle cell,
 
Lower doses or the incorrect extraction process has been shown to be ineffective so the extraction process is very important with EJ. So lets dig into whats inside the plant itself.
Just a short list of the chemical constituents of EJ-

Epicatechin
Ursolic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Corosolic acid
Oleanolic acid
Caffeic acid
Procyanidin B2
Protocatechuic acid
Ferulic acid
Tormentic acid
Naringenin
Ellagic acid
EGCG
Quercetin

This is a pretty impressive list of actives. Lets take a look at what some of these do.

Epicatechin.
EJ doesnt have as much epicatechin as something like cocoa or green tea but there is still a decent amount. Its estimated that there is about 150mg per 100g in cocoa and there is about 60mg in EJ so a little less than half. None the less there is enough that epicatechin will be active especially with Narinigenin, EGCG and quercetin in the mix as these all increase the absorption of epicatechin. Lets think of epicatechin as sort of a bonus.

Ursolic acid.
There is a decent dose in here at upwards of 150mg estimated per daily dose of our EJ extract but Ursolic acid is also a major constituent of another of Vectors ingredents giving us approx 300mg + of Ursolic acid per dose. Ursolic acid orally has been show in studies to increase muscle mass, Increase strength, Increase brown fat, Increase glucose utilization and increase exercise capacity. Its been stated that UA is not viable orally but I think I disagree and it seems as though studies also indicate that it is orally active although it has a very poor absorption rate. High doses are required and studies indicate 300+ should be enough orally to produce the desired results.

Corosolic acid.
Corosolic acid is a GDA generally extracted from Banaba (lagerstroemia speciosa) but a significant amount is present in Eribotrya J. Corosolic acid works orally at relatively low doses and has some interesting effects. Even doses of 10mg are viable to display its impressive effects. Most people have heard of Corosolic acid for its glucose effects as it is a major GDA. Corosolic acid can help to keep glucose down with multiple mechanisms of action. Glut4 translocation, reduced insulin resistance as well as all kinds of enzymatic suppression and or expression.
-Corosolic acid has been shown to reduce cholesterol levels and enhance lipid metabolism.
-Corosolic acid is also a great fat burner not only through antidiabetic effects but also by retarding absorption of fatty acids.
-Corosolic acid is a potent and selective inhibitor of the enzyme (11-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1) that converts inactive cortisone to active cortisol. Therefore, corosolic acid may prevent excessive cortisol production.
Overall Corosolic acid is one of Vectors great components. Increased Glucose uptake into muscles, decreased blood sugar, increased insulin sensitivity, increased fat utilization and decreased fat diposition plus decreased cortisol make Corosolic a powerhouse.

Oleanolic acid
Oleanolic acid (OA) is a constituent of Olea Europea, Viscum Album and Eriobotrya japonica as well as others.
Its long been used in Chinese medicine for treatment of liver disorders and other ailments. OA increases glucose utilization, is a solid vasodilator and increases expression of the AKT pathway.

Protocatechuic acid
Insulin like activity by activating PPAPy.
Decreases ROS
Antiageing
Anti inflammatory
Antiseptic
analgesic
GLUT4 upregulation
Antioxidant
Protects the testes from damage and stress
Cardio protective

Caffeic acid
Increased exercise capacity
Reduced Blood Lactate
Increased fat loss
Endurance

Ferulic acid, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxycinnamic acid, is one of the most ubiquitous phenolic acids, found in the
bran of grasses such as wheat, rice, and oats. It belongs to the family of plant hydroxycinnamic acids, which
include caffeic acid, sinapic acid, and p-coumaric acid. Recent studies have provided evidence that ferulic acid reduces the risk of disease, including
Alzheimer’s disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and colon cancer. Currently, ferulic acid is used to enhance athletic
performance, both in humans and racehorses. Supplementation by it has been found to increase muscle strength in weight lifters.

In one animal study a single acute administration of Ferulic acid increased swimming time by 170%.
Ferulic acid prevented the decrease in catalase, superoxide dismutase and protected against the depletion of GST activity induced by exhaustive
exercise.
Exercise can be associated with oxidative stress. Thus exercise can act as a powerful source of Reactive Oxygen Species, depending on duration and intensity. During exhaustive exercise, fat is typically used as the primary energy source, thus sparing glycogen stores, which in turn retards fatigue. However, during strenuous exercise substantial production of ROS occurs via beta oxidation during the utilization of fat.
In addition, a dramatic increase in oxygen consumption in the body creates an imbalance between ROS and the antioxidant defense system resulting in fatigue.
Acute adminstration of Ferulic acid prevents fatigue, increases endurance and protects the body during exhaustive exercise.

Chlorogenic acid
CA often reffered to as green coffee extract is widely known for its antiobesity effects via PPARa agonism and by preventing proliferation of new fat cells. CA can increase muscular glucose uptake both by stimulating Non insulin dependent AMPK as well as stimulating pAKt. Great for keeping bodyfat off while promoting muscle growth.

Tormentic acid
Anti diabetic
Glut4
AMPK





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1.Loquat leaf extract enhances myogenic differentiation, improves muscle function and attenuates muscle loss in aged rats.
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2.Loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) extract prevents dexamethasone-induced muscle atrophy by inhibiting the muscle degradation pathway in Sprague Dawley rats.
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3.Effect of Loquat Leaf Extract on Muscle Strength, Muscle Mass, and Muscle Function in Healthy Adults: A Randomized, Double-Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Trial
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4.Ethanol Extract of Eriobotrya japonica Leaves Enhanced Swimming Capacity in Mice
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5.Cell Suspension Culture of Eriobotrya japonica Regulates the Diabetic and Hyperlipidemic Signs of High-Fat-Fed Mice
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6.Tormentic Acid, a Major Component of Suspension Cells of Eriobotrya japonica, Suppresses High-Fat Diet-Induced Diabetes and Hyperlipidemia by Glucose Transporter 4 and AMP-Activated Protein Kinase Phosphorylation
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That's a lot of reading but looks very promising judging by those studies, however I found another study from 2016 stating that loquat leaf extract does not increase muscle strength, muscle mass or fat loss.
I guess I'll believe what I want after I've taken this, roll on release day
 
jt75 said:
That's a lot of reading but looks very promising judging by those studies, however I found another study from 2016 stating that loquat leaf extract does not increase muscle strength, muscle mass or fat loss.
I guess I'll believe what I want after I've taken this, roll on release day
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Effect of Loquat Leaf Extract on Muscle Strength, Muscle Mass, and Muscle Function in Healthy Adults: A Randomized, Double-Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Trial
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"In the present study, unfortunately, we were unable to show the positive effects of LLE on muscle strength, muscle mass, and muscle function in healthy adults"

"To our knowledge, the present study is the first randomized, double-blind, and placebo-controlled trial to investigate the efficacy and the safety of LLE supplementation for improving muscle strength, muscle mass, and muscle function. This study also showed that an LLE supplementation dose of 500 mg/day over 12 weeks had no favorable effects on muscle mass and function in healthy adults."
 
Your right!
But you have to do more than read an abstract and you have to look at the whole picture.
Here is where the difference lies.
1. type of extract.
2. dose/strength of extract.

We tested at least 4 if I recall different types of extracts and ran testing on each to determine the levels of certain constituents.
We eventually landed on one specific type of extract as it has 10x the levels in some cases of the others and 200% min of all.
Im not going to say more than that, regarding the type of extract used but therein lies the differences.

we also gave nearly 30 people the final extract and it was pretty impressive.
Ultimately you cant just look at a study. Whats important is how it works in the real world. The extract we are using is exceptional. Youll see ;)
 
Danes said:
Effect of Loquat Leaf Extract on Muscle Strength, Muscle Mass, and Muscle Function in Healthy Adults: A Randomized, Double-Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Trial
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"In the present study, unfortunately, we were unable to show the positive effects of LLE on muscle strength, muscle mass, and muscle function in healthy adults"

"To our knowledge, the present study is the first randomized, double-blind, and placebo-controlled trial to investigate the efficacy and the safety of LLE supplementation for improving muscle strength, muscle mass, and muscle function. This study also showed that an LLE supplementation dose of 500 mg/day over 12 weeks had no favorable effects on muscle mass and function in healthy adults."
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This is 500mg of a 10:1 extract.
We are using 1000mg of a 100:1. Or 20x stronger. Im not surprised they didnt find anything.
 
I realize its a bit to read but take a moment to look over just the list of constituents. The top 10 are present in high enough amounts.
Its not hard to see why this one works so well to increase lean muscle. This one was my favorite by itself. Really got lean testing this stuff.

Epicatechin
Ursolic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Corosolic acid
Oleanolic acid
Caffeic acid
Procyanidin B2
Protocatechuic acid
Ferulic acid
Tormentic acid
Naringenin
Ellagic acid
EGCG
Quercetin
 
I can't wait to try this stuff. I'm currently stacking FD2 and Glycoshield. Im able to pound the food and my blood sugar has been essentially a flatline! I will add in Vector once it's available hoping to add a little more mass.
 
Thanks for the update brundel. Looking forward to it all being unveiled and giving it a try. I’ll be sure to get in on the first offer
 
jmero2 said:
I can't wait to try this stuff. I'm currently stacking FD2 and Glycoshield. Im able to pound the food and my blood sugar has been essentially a flatline! I will add in Vector once it's available hoping to add a little more mass.
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Its got some great effects on blood sugar so itll help with the FD2 glycoshield allowing you to put on some mass without worrying about going hyper or having to overdo it with the insulin.
 
ironkill said:
Thanks for the update brundel. Looking forward to it all being unveiled and giving it a try. I’ll be sure to get in on the first offer
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yah itll be worth getting in on the initial sale for sure.
 
brundel said:
Its got some great effects on blood sugar so itll help with the FD2 glycoshield allowing you to put on some mass without worrying about going hyper or having to overdo it with the insulin.
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Nice, I'm also on my second bottle of Fd2 and about halfway through a bottle of glycoshield. While I have not gained any weight, I'm leaning out and I'm looking bigger so I guess I'm recomping. I'd never had success doing this until now so im a firm believer in these products. BLR is going to be my go to from now on, looking forward to trying all your products.
 
GrizzleB said:
Nice, I'm also on my second bottle of Fd2 and about halfway through a bottle of glycoshield. While I have not gained any weight, I'm leaning out and I'm looking bigger so I guess I'm recomping. I'd never had success doing this until now so im a firm believer in these products. BLR is going to be my go to from now on, looking forward to trying all your products.
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Ive always been a fan of the mirror for gauging my progress. Frequently my weight will be down but I look bigger or my weight will be up but I look leaner so I cant go off of bodyweight. Instead its all about what that weight is. Is it muscle, fat, water?
Overall FD2 glyco stack is a really good one for a lean recomp. Gotta watch the blood sugar though. If you think FD2 made people hypo Glycoshield is WAY stronger as a GDA.

I cant wait till people can run vector stacks......
 
GrizzleB said:
Nice, I'm also on my second bottle of Fd2 and about halfway through a bottle of glycoshield. While I have not gained any weight, I'm leaning out and I'm looking bigger so I guess I'm recomping. I'd never had success doing this until now so im a firm believer in these products. BLR is going to be my go to from now on, looking forward to trying all your products.
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I still haven't got back up to 185, I'm pretty light at around 170 but I love the way this combo makes me look and feel even tho I'm eating around 3500 to 3800 calories.
 
I think people underestimate oral Ursolic acid.
Here are some stats from an oral ursolic acid study.
Notice it increased muscle mass, fat loss, strength etc etc etc
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GravyVampire said:
My initial reaction when someone says they’re using x amount of a good thing, is to question if too much of said good thing can be harmful. So I did some digging to see if there are any health ramifications of taking high doses of Eriobotrya japonica. I came across a study that basically says... no (nothing significant yet). I don’t know what extracts they used vs what BLR will use, so I don’t know how useful this’ll be, but for now, it makes me feel a bit at ease. You can glance through the results if you want to see exactly what they looked at (quoted the name of the study bc I don’t have enough posts here to give the URL).
I’m personally looking forward to this. I just skimmed through a ton of studies (made sure to pick ones you didn’t post bc I’m that guy) and there are a ton of promising elements to it... and I’m not typically one to swoon over the new “it” supplement. I tend to rather be the pessimist. But this... this has me intrigued.

“Acute and Subacute Oral Toxicity Evaluation of Eriobotrya japonica Leaf Triterpene Acids in ICR Mice”
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Thanks for posting this. I do take care to make sure nothing we use is harmful. Generally speaking I look for things with many promising health benefits along with the anabolic potential or fat loss potential.
And I know right.....when you really dig into the data it just gets more and more exciting.
Also there are 2 other ingredients coming at 1000mg each ;)
This stuff is gonna be a powerhouse.
 
In4 3 bottles to give it a good run. Thinking another week or so before the presale is launched?
 
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