vAliant Anabolic Androgenic Archive: TD Superdrol and DMZ

And to onlookers. If you are not on TRT, invest in a better PCT than your cycle. If you have a great cycle, then lose your gains, and then lose beyond that, the money you spent to "be on" just hurt you and set you back.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
And to onlookers. If you are not on TRT, invest in a better PCT than your cycle. If you have a great cycle, then lose your gains, and then lose beyond that, the money you spent to "be on" just hurt you and set you back.
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Well said
 
ValiantThor08 said:
So the guys that I purchased the transdermal SD from reached out to me thanks to @TheVenom and decided to take care of me. I am being sent a peptide combo product called Viking 1, which has 20mg GHRP2, 15MG sermorelin, and 6mg GHRP6. The GHRP2 promotes the large GH pulse, GHRP6 promotes strong hunger signalling, and the sermorelin is a GHRH, which when combined with a GHRP multiplies the amplified growth hormone pulse. I will be running it and logging in PCT which is about 5 weeks out. To retain gains, you will want something more than a SERM to restart your test production. You will want a pro Anabolic environment, and having high GH and IGF levels in PCT promotes just that.
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How do I get in on this deal!?
 
Day 3 (Ultra Hard; Yesterday)

A couple things were unmistakable yesterday, and I'm certain it is the Ultra Hard. Well being, including some aggression was heightened yesterday. Libido, and spontaneous erections have a marked improvement. Transdermal epiandro and androsterone really kicks in ASAP. Yesterday was a rest day, and I'm presently doing push day.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Day 3 (Ultra Hard; Yesterday)

A couple things were unmistakable yesterday, and I'm certain it is the Ultra Hard. Well being, including some aggression was heightened yesterday. Libido, and spontaneous erections have a marked improvement. Transdermal epiandro and androsterone really kicks in ASAP. Yesterday was a rest day, and I'm presently doing push day.
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i truly believe epi/androsterone compliment each other, great combo, imo.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Day 3 (Ultra Hard; Yesterday)

A couple things were unmistakable yesterday, and I'm certain it is the Ultra Hard. Well being, including some aggression was heightened yesterday. Libido, and spontaneous erections have a marked improvement. Transdermal epiandro and androsterone really kicks in ASAP. Yesterday was a rest day, and I'm presently doing push day.
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You are definitely correct; that’s exactly how I would describe them. How is blood pressure?

DMZ, you should be noticing the increases in performance by now (which will continue).
 
Hyde said:
You are definitely correct; that’s exactly how I would describe them. How is blood pressure?

DMZ, you should be noticing the increases in performance by now (which will continue).
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Tested just now.

122 over 69.

I do believe the DMZ is now beginning to kick in performance wise.
 
Day 4 Ultra Hard (Present)

Will continue to do 4 pumps. That dose seems to be more than sufficient. Which causes the product to last 5 weeks. I confirm that Ultra Hard drives libido up very fast, and today it's even higher than the previous day's. Post dosing my nipples are getting less tender, and it really reveals that it is providing support against the negative estrogenic sides. I am dryer today than the three previous day's of using Ultra Hard, and the three weeks I've been on cycle in total. Aggression and well being is also up today.
 
Push Day
Day 4 Ultra Hard
Day 10 DMZ 40MG

Incline DB press
4 warm up sets
85x9x9x9x9x8

Dips
BWx10x10
45 + BWx10x10x10x9

Supersetted with DB lateral raises.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
And to onlookers. If you are not on TRT, invest in a better PCT than your cycle. If you have a great cycle, then lose your gains, and then lose beyond that, the money you spent to "be on" just hurt you and set you back.
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There is simply no way that i can maintain what i got on cycle. Maybe a tiny bit. But there is simply no way, not a chance in hell.

How the hell am i aboe to maintain what i got when my T levels were 1500 ng/dl and now they are 330 ng/dl?

Sorry no, i can prolong the time it takes for those gains to disappear but they are disappearing anyway.

And i am fine with that. Steroid gains are borrowed gains.

I mean i could maintain the majority if i kept using peptide,s maybe added in sth like ostarine etc but then what is the meaning of an off period?

Gotta give the body the time to recuperate and if body operates best at a level with less lean mass then so be it.

I can always regain in the next cycle, hence i time my cycles when i want to perform and look my best.


If people were able to maintain their gains off cycle, then they wpuldnt be blasting and cruising. And notice how everyone who is competitive just b&c, even thpugh coming off is pbviously healthier than constantly having your levels over or on the border of suprqphysiologic.

Because at that point its risk management and harm reduction, and i dont think its possible to get anywhere in this sport with cycling nowadays.
 
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CroLifter said:
There is simply no way that i can maintain what i got on cycle. Maybe a tiny bit. But there is simply no way, not a chance in hell.

How the hell am i aboe to maintain what i got when my T levels were 1500 ng/dl and now they are 330 ng/dl?

Sorry no, i can prolong the time it takes for those gains to disappear but they are disappearing anyway.

And i am fine with that. Steroid gains are borrowed gains.

I mean i could maintain the majority if i kept using peptide,s maybe added in sth like ostarine etc but then what is the meaning of an off period?

Gotta give the body the time to recuperate and if body operates best at a level with less lean mass then so be it.

I can always regain in the next cycle, hence i time my cycles when i want to perform and look my best.
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For those going beyond genetic potential, it is borrowed. For those that have not gone to or beyond genetic potential, it is possible to keep lean mass.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
For those going beyond genetic potential, it is borrowed. For those that have not gone to or beyond genetic potential, it is possible to keep lean mass.
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Agreed, but that genetic potential is also determined by current natty t levels.

For example i could maintain 225 lean with full 6 pack at 18, yes, read that right, i was most developed at 18 naturally, started training at 15, and in my early 20s i couldnt hit over 215 lean anymore, it just wasnt happening, and pumps were a mere shadow of what they were when i was 18, until i started cycling peds.

I was constantly accused of steroids in my late teens even thpugh i used nothing other than whey protein hahah. So much i created an image of a muscular guy that i was pissed for example when i wpuld visit my relatives later on a summerly basis who would be like wow you went down in weight

Inability to reach my past physique was no.1 reason why i started peds.

Recovery in my early 20s was way down compared to my teens.

And t levels are going to decrease with age anyway plus with cycling for sure they are goin down.
 
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CroLifter said:
Agreed, but that genetic potential is also determined by current natty t levels.

For example i could maintain 225 lean with full 6 pack at 18, yes, read that right, i was most developed at 18 naturally, started training at 15, and in my early 20s i couldnt hit over 215 lean anymore, it just wasnt happening, and pumps were a mere shadow of what they were when i was 18, until i started cycling peds.

Recovery in my early 20s was way down compared to my teens.

And t levels are going to decrease with age anyway plus with cycling for sure they are goin down.
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Hence where high IGF, GH, and improved nitrogen retention comes in, when test is on the lower end. It should compensate to retain gains, for those below genetic potential. I'm being hopeful :)
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Post dosing my nipples are getting less tender, and it really reveals that it is providing support against the negative estrogenic sides.
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So do you think dropping one of the hcg dosing could help with any excess estrogen? Or would that be counter productive?
 
WeakerNU said:
So do you think dropping one of the hcg dosing could help with any excess estrogen? Or would that be counter productive?
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At this point the excess estrogen isn't causing too much of an issue right now. Especially with the Ultra Hard. Actually good to have a decent amount of estrogen while on a cycle, as long as you aren't growing female breast tissue, as it can lubricate joints, strengthen bones, and has its own anabolic qualities.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
At this point the excess estrogen isn't causing too much of an issue right now. Especially with the Ultra Hard. Actually good to have a decent amount of estrogen while on a cycle, as long as you aren't growing female breast tissue, as it can lubricate joints, strengthen bones, and has its own anabolic qualities.
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Also protects the heart, improves hdl
 
ValiantThor08 said:
At this point the excess estrogen isn't causing too much of an issue right now. Especially with the Ultra Hard. Actually good to have a decent amount of estrogen while on a cycle, as long as you aren't growing female breast tissue, as it can lubricate joints, strengthen bones, and has its own anabolic qualities.
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Just want to point out that was not advice I’m always learning for you guys and reading study’s. Have seen in some study’s that the estrogen can really spike with hcg but they were also using very high doses.
 
WeakerNU said:
Just want to point out that was not advice I’m always learning for you guys and reading study’s. Have seen in some study’s that the estrogen can really spike with hcg but they were also using very high doses.
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No worry's, didn't take what you said in any negative way :)
 
Speaking of HDL does cardarine help enough to keep HDL of bottoming out on strong orals? Or just better recovery after thanks
 
3 weeks deep

Body Weight
Start weight: 163.8
Present Weight: 181.2

Skeletal Muscle (take with a grain of salt)
Start lean mass: 77.6
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BP is 134 over 60

Post workout and post pre workout of course. Should reduce a little as the day progresses
 
Decided to start 60mg DMZ today. I thought to myself, I don't cycle much, haven't in a long time, probably won't for a long time, so let's enjoy this one.
 
CroLifter said:
Dont want to start a new thread for such a small question and since we talked about pct over here i wouod lioe to hear your opinion, also @Jinsun @Alchemist11 can chime in since as far as i am aware those are the last fighters that still pct, beside you and me.

Last wednesday was my last 60mg injection of test for this cycle, today was last hcg shot and around sunday i should be starting clomid.

now i know clomid competes with estrogen for hypothalamus receptors.

Right now i am estrogen dominant as fuk can 100% feel it, didnt take any ai throughout the cycle as i didnt need one and gains were great.

Should i take some asin just before starting clomid to make the job for the serm easier and recovery easier or is that not necessary at all and i should only take some asin after coming off from clomid which i usually do to prevent rebound shut down?

I would honestly like to take as little ai as possible, i feel how my pumps and fullness are way better when i steer the fuk away from aromasin.

my pumps are still better than when off and i feel like i am hanging by the estrogen thread as far as anabolism goes.
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Yes, begin aromasin now, you can go low, and even it during the beginning of running. Good to start your PCT with low estrogen.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Yes, begin aromasin now, you can go low, and even it during the beginning of running. Good to start your PCT with low estrogen.
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Thanks man deleted the post as i didnt want to derail the thread when thinking again, but thansk.

yeah i hate aromasin but i felt like it could be beneficial to do this.


Effin hate pct, such an unhealthy period. Ai's, serms... if only i could just take some hcg and be done with it.
 
CroLifter said:
Thanks man deleted the post as i didnt want to derail the thread when thinking again, but thansk.

yeah i hate aromasin but i felt like it could be beneficial to do this.


Effin hate pct, such an unhealthy period. Ai's, serms... if only i could just take some hcg and be done with it.
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Right, but instead we become a medicine cabinet xD
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Right, but instead we become a medicine cabinet xD
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Man horrible, i already know i aint taking this pos clomid for more than 2 weeks. Brr i hate seeing colorful spots and increasing triglycerides scare the f out of me.

I honestly rather underrecover a bit and let myself take longer ot get up to those almighty 330 ng/dl of total test 😆 than give my self a thrombosis or permanent eye damage.
 
CroLifter said:
Man horrible, i already know i aint taking this pos clomid for more than 2 weeks. Brr i hate seeing colorful spots and increasing triglycerides scare the f out of me.

I honestly rather underrecover a bit and let myself take longer ot get up to those almighty 330 ng/dl of total test than give my self a thrombosis or permanent eye damage.
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Hey, I believe you can get higher that the 300s. I tested myself a year ago, was at the lower 400s, and tested myself this year and was in the mid 700s.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Hey, I believe you can get higher that the 300s. I tested myself a year ago, was at the lower 400s, and tested myself this year and was in the mid 700s.
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i was at 370 before i even touched gear and it was 330 this spring after having done the test cycle last year, so at least i know i didnt fuk up too much.

highest i got up was 509 and that was right after stopping clomid, so it was elevated above what it would naturally be.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Definitely something going on in the background causing low test.
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I honestly dunno, i believe its genetic. I have some friends who are almost completely hairless in their early 20s, my best mate doesnt have any facial hair at all. I always ate very clean and healthy, exercised, slept fairly well etc

I never had libido like what most guys have, only when i was around 16,17 years old.

Also i am taller by good 5-6 inches than anyone in my family. Maybe correlated, as test-estro causes growth plste closure.


I think the mother nature is fighting back, as there is too god damn many of us on this planet 😀
 
Pull Day

Day 5 Ultra Hard 4 Pumps

Libido high. Spontaneous erections. Well being and aggression heightened. Would say just as dry as yesterday. I am expecting strength, dryness, and muscle hardness to improve progressively.

Start of 60mg DMZ

Wide grip pull ups
BWx10x10
BW + 10lb x10
BW + 15lb x10x10x10x9x9

DB rows supersetted with seated machine curls

4 sets

seated cable rows supersetted with hammer curls

3 sets
 
Day 6 Ultra Hard

I can say with confidence that Ultra Hard is sufficient to hold the negative estrogenic effects of HCG use at bay. Towards the end of the evening, and first thing in the morning, nipples are pretty sensitive. I apply 4 pumps of Ultra Hard, and the sensitivity decreases. Aggression is higher today than the previous day's, but not a bad "I want to unrelentlessly hurt everyone" aggression, but a nice aggression to get things done in the gym. And today was a great leg day, in fact the strongest I have had in a while. Due to some pretty crazy events that transpired last night/early morning, libido today isn't amazing as it has been, but that has more to do with my mental space today.
 
DMZ must be really kicking in, especially at 60mg now.

Leg Day

I had been babying myself on leg day due to a weird feeling in the groin and abdomen area, and haven't focused on squatting. Today, my brother in law and friend came up to KY from Texas, and we did leg day.

5 sets of DB ham curls (warm-up)

Back Squat
135x10
185x10
225x10x10x9x8

The Squat really surprised me because I have not focused on squatting for a while. Had no funny pain, or any issue with it really. Felt stronger on legs than I have in a long time.

Sumo Dead lifts
135x10
225x10
275x8

Leg Extensions
150 AMRAP X3 and then a drop set.
 
For PCT

Viking 1
20mg GHRP2 (large GH pulse)
6mg GHRP6 (increases hunger)
15mg Sermorelin (magnifies the GH pulse significantly)

Thank you @TheVenom
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And really, those pictures honestly don't do justice; vascularity, dryness, hardness, fullness, striations all look better than the pictures convey.
 
Hyde said:
Lol I ain’t taking any credit. I have just used Epiandro/Andro cream and used DMZ, and I know which one is bringing all the size! The transdermal is more to add balance and aesthetics. It’s icing on the anabolic cake
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I agree. The Ultra Hard is not very Anabolic. The DMZ is highly Anabolic. Really excited to see if I can get to 190 or higher by the end get everything.
 
Rest Day today.

Push Day yesterday.

DB flat bench
4 warm-ups
100x7x7x7x7
Definite improvement, and no spotter

DB shoulder press supersetted with lateral raises

Rope push down, rope pulls, and push-up
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Day 3 (Ultra Hard; Yesterday)

A couple things were unmistakable yesterday, and I'm certain it is the Ultra Hard. Well being, including some aggression was heightened yesterday. Libido, and spontaneous erections have a marked improvement. Transdermal epiandro and androsterone really kicks in ASAP. Yesterday was a rest day, and I'm presently doing push day.
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Do you reckon this could help a person who usually suffers from anorgasmia and inability to be aroused? How would it compare to standard aas like test, tren, masteron becaude none of those have effect on my libido



I had a chance of hooking up with this girl this summer and she was amazing but i was afraid she would want sex immediately and then i would of course let her down and logically i would lose any chance of further hook ups with her, as i heard from another person how she was talking how hot i am (lol, i dont consider myself hot so dont think i am bragging haha just saying what someone else said)


But then again... it must be hell on the hair! And i am already on ketoconazole shampoo basically eod.
 
CroLifter said:
Do you reckon this could help a person who usually suffers from anorgasmia and inability to be aroused? How would it compare to standard aas like test, tren, masteron becaude none of those have effect on my libido



I had a chance of hooking up with this girl this summer and she was amazing but i was afraid she would want sex immediately and then i would of course let her down and logically i would lose any chance of further hook ups with her, as i heard from another person how she was talking how hot i am (lol, i dont consider myself hot so dont think i am bragging haha just saying what someone else said)


But then again... it must be hell on the hair! And i am already on ketoconazole shampoo basically eod.
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Test and Tren, those two can give some great libido, if they are not estrogen and prolactin sensitive. If they are, the high estrogen and prolactin can really tank libido and erections. I would say if your e2 and prolactin are in check, the Ultra Hard will only provide pro libido and erection benefits because the two prohormones convert to DHT, which is the primary pro libido hormone.
 
I did pull day today.

Weather has been cloudy, looking like it wants to rain all day, and I believe it really is effecting me. I have been real tired all day. Even with some pre workout, was tired in the gym this morning. Did not have the energy to attempt any heavy pulls, so I did a lot of volume.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I did pull day today.

Weather has been cloudy, looking like it wants to rain all day, and I believe it really is effecting me. I have been real tired all day. Even with some pre workout, was tired in the gym this morning. Did not have the energy to attempt any heavy pulls, so I did a lot of volume.
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I cant train in the morning. I mean, i am at least 15% weaker on all major lifts.

Around noon already i am good to go. A large cup of green tea gets me going.
 
CroLifter said:
I cant train in the morning. I mean, i am at least 15% weaker on all major lifts.

Around noon already i am good to go. A large cup of green tea gets me going.
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You are weaker in the morning. They don’t know why exactly, but science has proven this. Whatever you can do training very early, after sleep, you will be a tad stronger late afternoon, all other conditions being optimal & equal. The thought is that likely the nervous system gets more efficient after it has time to warm up, so to speak.

But if you train the same time routinely, it doesn’t matter since you will be consistent. Muscles don’t know lbs on the bar, only perceived effort. And most strength competitions are earlier in the day, so you might as well get used to strength training early if that’s your thing.
 
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