USPowders No more???
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JudgementDay
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princevince
Active member
lets keep "HOPE" alive
JudgementDay
Legend
I want Vat Attack and bulk P-slin more then anything! :yup:......Vat Attack and Shift stack would be so bomb for non-stim fat burning :|
carpee
Well-known member
this wouldn't even be fair.
my body responds so well to both of these, I could cut on mcdonalds and taco bell...not that I would haha
oufinny
Well-known member
Yeah I really want to run VAT Attack for 6-8 weeks with something like Shift or AT-2; I think that would be a diabolical combo!
JudgementDay
Legend
Yup these are both the best fat burning combos I've ever used, would love to put them together.....I can see it now as Im on the lean gains diet...Vat Attack with Shift....Bulk P-slin for my post-workout meal :O
Please bring them all back!!!
USPlabsRep
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Yes, Sam and I are nailing down details and a forum will be up shortly.
USPlabsRep
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Contact USPlabs customer service.
bdcc
Legend
Done, thank you.
anabolicRyan1
Active member
Excellent.
I'm glad we pushed a little.
I think I speak for a lot of people when I say, you have gained even more respect as both USPlabs and USPowders.
And this will be a great move for your company in general... such a small segment of the market are the "bulk audience" but we're an important and influential part!
It will not be forgotten.
MAxximal
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T-Bone
Banned
anabolicRyan1
Active member
Solid as a rock?
Or rock solid?
Or rock solid?
purebred
Guest
A company opposite to the above profile still exists? :blink:
USPlabsRep
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I can't speak for USPlabs but I can speak to them. USPowders would not exist without USPLabs.
MAxximal
Well-known member
Bring it!!!!!
yoshi5674
Member
I was thinking maybe... the other way around...
natas9
New member
Agree.
The growing conception in this thread is that USPLabs has abandoned their loyal, core base. If this had not come to a fruitful conclusion (so far, so good anyway) for the customer then USP would have affirmed that sentiment. That type of groundswell, however small in the beginning, can be very bad for a company in the long run. Let's hope USPLabs has the good judgement to see this through.
bigrobbierob
Active member
Not me. It took so long and they had been so wishy washy it annoyed me.
I agree. I don't mind the bulk products (good and cheap are two of my favorite things!), I will have nothing to do with usplabs otherwise. This fiasco damaged their rep with me even more.
DCbuilder
Member
Exactly - they traded a rabid loyal fanbase for the GNC market with the in-your-face obnoxious marketing tactics. As one of their old school fans, it ticked me off and I'm not going back and I know many of my friends feel the same.
oufinny
Well-known member
I am going to reserve final judgment until something actually happens here in the next few weeks. As for USP Labs, there are products I will still use though I don't go out of my way to support the brand anymore. After being so let down on Pink Magic from the beta to the released version, I have just chosen to be a silent customer from now on.
anabolicRyan1
Active member
Ditto.
DBdude
Member
It's ironic that I found myself buying both USPlabs and USPowders before, but nether ever since... USPowders was nice because of plane labeling on the container and no crazy advertising, USPLabs annoys me with ridiculous claims. All I'll say is things will change when they cant slap a disclaimer on the bottle ~ *These statements have not been evaluated by the food and drug administration
It's already begun, most supplement companies aren't compliant with submitting proof that their product is safe. (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's been required since thalidomide back in the 60's) They are seeing so many companies getting away with promising unrealistic results. (Dat tere Muscletech is notorious for it) And sucking people in with their glamorous ads featuring steroid users modeling for it, giving the impression to the supplement-ignorant consumer that they got their results from that product. (face it, you don't see those same huge guys shopping around GNC, a friend of mine works for GNC and he can vouch for that) Thats just pissing the government off and they already put their foot in the door with their new prescription alteration of fishoil *lovaza* Slowly blurring the line between supplement and drug.
Watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" and you'll realize *most* supplements are bull crap. Considering how many I've tried in my time, I can tell you not to expect much from most of them. You won't lose 10%BF and gain 20lbs of muscle in 3 months from anabolic pump like the pamphlet inside the box claimed. And you won't pack on 14lbs of muscle in 14 days like muscletech likes to say. Last I checked, the steroid superdrol is the only thing capable of that.. And thats just water and glycogen! Not even muscle! On the nicer side of things, Suppercissus RX did help my shoulder and some supplements do deserve merit. But with all the false advertising, one can only take it with a grain of salt. Regardless, I've lost my interest in the supplement industry. I buy protein powder, Multi-V, Fishoil, caffeine, creatine mono and Sodium D-Aspartic Acid. All things that have scientific studies backing it up. And I've been growing at the same rate compared to when I wasted money on "proprietary blends" that promise steroid-level gains.
Watching how this thread blew up since I started it, my opinions have greatly changed. Some may disagree, and I say more power to them.
That's my $0.02 on the issue
It's already begun, most supplement companies aren't compliant with submitting proof that their product is safe. (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's been required since thalidomide back in the 60's) They are seeing so many companies getting away with promising unrealistic results. (Dat tere Muscletech is notorious for it) And sucking people in with their glamorous ads featuring steroid users modeling for it, giving the impression to the supplement-ignorant consumer that they got their results from that product. (face it, you don't see those same huge guys shopping around GNC, a friend of mine works for GNC and he can vouch for that) Thats just pissing the government off and they already put their foot in the door with their new prescription alteration of fishoil *lovaza* Slowly blurring the line between supplement and drug.
Watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" and you'll realize *most* supplements are bull crap. Considering how many I've tried in my time, I can tell you not to expect much from most of them. You won't lose 10%BF and gain 20lbs of muscle in 3 months from anabolic pump like the pamphlet inside the box claimed. And you won't pack on 14lbs of muscle in 14 days like muscletech likes to say. Last I checked, the steroid superdrol is the only thing capable of that.. And thats just water and glycogen! Not even muscle! On the nicer side of things, Suppercissus RX did help my shoulder and some supplements do deserve merit. But with all the false advertising, one can only take it with a grain of salt. Regardless, I've lost my interest in the supplement industry. I buy protein powder, Multi-V, Fishoil, caffeine, creatine mono and Sodium D-Aspartic Acid. All things that have scientific studies backing it up. And I've been growing at the same rate compared to when I wasted money on "proprietary blends" that promise steroid-level gains.
Watching how this thread blew up since I started it, my opinions have greatly changed. Some may disagree, and I say more power to them.
That's my $0.02 on the issue
Drewkowsky
New member
when can we expect to see this back in the store?
anabolicRyan1
Active member
I'm also trying to hold out hope.
USPlabsRep
Board Sponsor
SuperCissus and P-Slin powder shipped..
USPlabsRep
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I'm all for free thinking.
NA-DAA is good because of one study done by those promoting it (ironic that you quote a supplement that has documented side effects that are not advertised) and you've been influenced by bigger faster strong a "movie" made for profit....
I do agree with you....education before supplements.
yoshi5674
Member
Cool, thanks for the update!!!
DBdude
Member
It's ironic you say NA-DAA. I use sodium DAA, as for the studies for it, I was referring to the independent study on pub med. How quickly you assume. As for the movie, I had already known most supplements lie in their ads. if they actually worked that well, we'd all look like juice heads
USPlabsRep
Board Sponsor
Pubmed also has you fooled....
The Irony is you list a supplement that in the magazines are also making big claims...
Look, I agree that if everyone nailed down diet and training with a more logical approach to supplements. The supplement industry would have to be more honest.
I can't speak for USPlabs products but I can for its powders and many of its powders trump NA-DAA in terms of "independent" Pubmed research.
I would argue that the Powder consumer is the most educated supplement consumer, this consumer hangs out at AnabolicMinds, purchases from NP and is asking for USPowders. That in itself is a strong compliment.
Again, I understand the consumer frustration but that would frustration would be limited if the consumer focused on nutrition and exercise education before looking for magic in a capsules or in my care, in a teaspoon.
I'm also a firm believer that some supplement companies make the claims that are assocatied with those that do understand nutrition and exercise...
lukehayd
Legend
Check out the periodic table of elements. Look closely at sodium ------Na.
DBdude
Member
First I want to apologize, I feel like I came off a bit harsh. But I agree in some aspects. Diet and exercise is very important but even with perfect diet and exercise the natural bodybuilder will take a year to get anywhere near 15lbs of muscle without gaining fat. I know correct diet and exercise so thats of no concern to me. What is a concern is when I take a supplement as directed and see nothing. Maybe it's that I'm too far along that supplements can no longer help me gain weight. But as for the DAA, I get it in bulk raw powder and the study came from the Italian pharmaceutical company who developed it.
And take no offence because USPowders is one of the few supplement companies I still believe in. You guys don't make absurd claims. I'm just bitter towards USPLabs for discontinuing USPowders and selling out to GNC. Now USPLabs is just another muscletech to me.
At the time I was writing that up from my phone and thought he was referring to the muscle warfare N-Methyl-D-Aspartate which is a metabolite of DAA.
JudgementDay
Legend
T-Bone
Banned
I really hate the argument of diet and exercise when someone says a supplement doesn't work. It doesn't make much sense. Anything you take should do something. Say a customer/consumer complains that the product doesn't work or doesn't do anything. You ask them about diet and exercise. Turns out this customers diet and exercise plan is all screwed up. Well then you help them out because they are too lazy to read a fu*king book. They come back a month or two into their new plan, still taking the same supplement and all of a sudden you say, "See, now the supplement I gave you works!". Really though, was it the supplement or the diet and exercise?. If the product does absolutely nothing on untrained individuals, chances are it will do absolutely nothing on trained athletes. Some ignorant consumers will think that the supplement actually worked and will continue to buy it. Plus one for the supplement companies!.
USPlabsRep
Board Sponsor
You are missing the point of the arguement.
You have to understand your body before understanding a supplement.
If nutrition/training is not understood, the user has no base to compare any new stimulus too.
He will never be able to pinpoint that "something" or if that "something" is aiding in his goal.
Pretty basic.
Would you rather the company not ask and help the customer? Think about it, even if the majority of the gains come from the better diet/training advice and not the supplement (which is the way it should be). The customer was just educated.
If I was the supplement company, I would ALWAYS ask that question but I would reccomend they STOP all supplements, establish a base and then add to it....
It would be great for the industry, the cream will always rise to the top.
USPlabsRep
Board Sponsor
Carboxy is on the way.
Vat attack in R&D to fix the clumping into a brick that breaks NP's blenders syndrome..
SuperSaponins next on the Radar.
USPlabsRep
Board Sponsor
But be warned that "something" only comes with a good diet with Vat:beerchug:
USPlabsRep
Board Sponsor
How did they sell out to GNC? This is all great market research.
I want to be direct. USPowders gets everything from USPlabs. It's thier research and quality extractions that allow us a business...
T-Bone
Banned
Ha ha!. I'm gonna try it regardless. Been waiting a long time to try it.
JoHNnyNuTZ
Well-known member
Sorry if Im ,like, wicked slow. What is VAT. Just browsing through the old nutra lineup, and didnt see. Or did I??????
JudgementDay
Legend
They used to have it at Nutra, don't see it on the list now.
I believe Recreate contains some Vat attack, but I don't believe a lot compared to the bulk powder. I loved Vat Attack, I really want to stack it with Shift.....couldn't imagine how sick the fat burning would be.