Trumac’s Test/EQ cycle

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The plan for now is going to be to drop the tren until the nausea subsides. If it does then I’ll start it again at a much lower dose and adjust accordingly. If nausea comes back I’ll just set it aside for now and finish out the cycle without it. I’m not going to adjust the test or eq right now.
 

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Hmm nausea from tren?

I dont know how could it be causing it. It is not liver toxic c17 aa.

bte weird but i have been noticing some nausea when i was running my masteron that i homebrewed.

i think i really need to get me a roid test kit.
 

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Hmm nausea from tren?

I dont know how could it be causing it. It is not liver toxic c17 aa.

bte weird but i have been noticing some nausea when i was running my masteron that i homebrewed.

i think i really need to get me a roid test kit.
Yeah I have been having dark urine in the morning too. Not saying any of it is liver related but whatever is causing me to feel like this id prefer it to stop. So step one will be stopping tren and assessing
 

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Yeah I have been having dark urine in the morning too. Not saying any of it is liver related but whatever is causing me to feel like this id prefer it to stop. So step one will be stopping tren and assessing
Dark urine is i believe tren's metabolite, not uncommon from what i heard.
Afaik tren is toxic to the kidneys, but i have always believed it was due to high blood pressure which physically damages the filters in the kidneys.

Why dont you get your liver and kidney values tested, then you will know what is going on? If anything is significantly out of range i would stop.


I would get nauseous usually in the mornings.
 

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Dark urine is i believe tren's metabolite, not uncommon from what i heard.
Afaik tren is toxic to the kidneys, but i have always believed it was due to high blood pressure which physically damages the filters in the kidneys.

Why dont you get your liver and kidney values tested, then you will know what is going on? If anything is significantly out of range i would stop.


I would get nauseous usually in the mornings.
I can’t get bloodwork without script from a doc here. The nausea for me comes much worse at night
 

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I can’t get bloodwork without script from a doc here. The nausea for me comes much worse at night
That being said i have seen some people's bloodwork who were on tren and had mildly elevated enzymes.

It shouldnt be liver toxic. There is a gazillion of things that can elevate enzymes though,


Ah so you cant get bloodwork without a script because you are risking losing insurance?
 

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That being said i have seen some people's bloodwork who were on tren and had mildly elevated enzymes.

It shouldnt be liver toxic. There is a gazillion of things that can elevate enzymes though,


Ah so you cant get bloodwork without a script because you are risking losing insurance?
No bc the state doesn’t allow you to just go get bloodwork on your own. They simply won’t take it without a script
 
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I get dark urine sometimes to but whenever I’m on Tren my water consumption is almost triple. Anything I do on tren I sweat like a mother fucker and it doesn’t help when it’s paired with EQ. I profusely sweat after eating a **** load of carbs.
 

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Feeling a bit better already. I have a feeling the tren was upsetting my stomach slightly. Combined with shitty holiday diet and being a little sick just was the perfect storm.
Made an appointment to donate blood right after work tomorrow.
 
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Feeling a bit better already. I have a feeling the tren was upsetting my stomach slightly. Combined with shitty holiday diet and being a little sick just was the perfect storm.
Made an appointment to donate blood right after work tomorrow.
I’ve luckily never had that problem with tren but I have heard a few guys say the same thing.
 

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It seems to be really harsh stuff. We'll see how it goes for me.
 

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Sides went away within a couple days of discontinuing tren. Not sure if I’m going to try to add it in again or not at this point. Diet has been doing better lately as well so I’m getting leaner as is.
 

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Sides went away within a couple days of discontinuing tren. Not sure if I’m going to try to add it in again or not at this point. Diet has been doing better lately as well so I’m getting leaner as is.
Well it doesnt agree with your body no need to torture yourself. From what i read it doesnt seem to be anything special when it comes to tissue accrual. Where it shines is glucocorticoid inhibition and nutrient partitioning.

Also there is some debate that it stimulates prostaglandin release, which help destroy fat cells, but also cause prothrombotic activity AND vasoconstriction (remember, tren increases blood pressure, how could it do that if it doesnt cause water retention, well it causes vasoconstriction).

My THEORY is that you could try to replicate its effects by combining nandrolone and 11 ketotestosterone, although 11 kt is pretty androgenic in itself, but it might be worth giving a try (i ran it).

Nandrolone for anabolism and 11 kt for glucocorticoid inhibition. Maybe you could even try 11 oxo if 11 kt is impossible to get (prices of raws skyrocketed).
 

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I forgot to mention I had to reschedule my blood donation so I’ll be doing it this coming week. I’m thinking I’m going to leave the tren for another time and try it low dose with low test so I can really pay attention to dialing that into a usable dose for myself.
I’m going to up my test back to 400ish a week since I’m dropping the tren for the remainder. After my donation I think I’m going to up the EQ a bit to 750-800 and see how that feels. Also bc of the dropping of the tren I’m now more interested in adding an oral like Var the last six weeks as a finisher.
 

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Finished the mk677 last night so started 3 iu gh this morning. Test is .4 ml (300mg/ml) eod. EQ will be 1ml (400mg/ml) Monday/Thursday. Proviron is 25 mg day and aromasin is 12.5 mg eod.
 

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Feeling pretty good with the tren out of the mix now?
For sure. I am still going to try it in the future but with only low test so I can really dial in a dose I can both tolerate and that is effective
 

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I was thinking today about this stuff and came up with this, nothing new ofc but this cycle design might be interesting to those who cant take high androgens but still want to reap the benefits of cns stimulation and strength. I am one of those people and see this commonly with high androgen compound.

What if we were to run high anabolic/low androgen cycle, say trt test with say moderate doses of npp and primo, and then throw in a high androgen preworkout only? Something like tren suspension, or maybe an oral like anadrol or even a little bit of halo.

There is a guy on youtube who made short movies about his journey to over 400lbs, he was huge and his approach was to use basically test and deca and then add a very androgenic substance pre workout only.

We could keep our sides down most of the time and then get a kick when we need it, pre workout, instead of being constantly jacked up, anxious, unable to sleep with heart beating through the chest hahaha
 
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