Trumac’s Test/EQ cycle

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So I have decided on test eq and proviron. I don’t detail my workouts and can’t post pics bc if work so this is more for accountability and to get input from everyone along the way. I am on TRT so no PCT will follow.

Here’s the layout
Week 1-end - test cyp @ 300mg/wk edit 400
Week 1-2 - EQ @ 1200mg/wk front load edit week 1 only
Week 2-end - EQ @ 600mg/wk - up if needed to 750 edit
Week 1- when I run out - proviron @50mg/day

hcg @350iu twice a week
Anastrozole or aromasin edit - on hand if needed
Nolva edit - on hand if needed

I’m leaving the end open ended but it will be a longer run so long as no issues arise. So think 16-20 weeks. I’d like to avoid too much ai and serm usage so I’m hoping the proviron helps with that at least for the start. I do have some orals sitting around if I feel the need to spice it up. I also have deca if I need it for low dose joint support.
Any input is always appreciated. Thanks guys.

Edit to add I pinned the EQ last night. 1.5ml which is 600mg. Never pinned EQ before. Felt thick. Did my VG and it feels kinda shitty today. Not sure if it’s bc I’m newish to VG, the concentration of the EQ, the volume, or the carrier oil, but it sucks. Also looking for some input on the test dose. 300 was recommended by someone here but can’t recall who.
 
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Ok, so first thing i will say that as of recently i am more open to the idea of running a test base with higher anabolics, while previously i was "just run test steroids are used to build/preserve muecle" type of guy.

Also, the idea of using short esters alongside the baseline of enanthate (basically a trt dose, anywhere from 100-250 a week, depending on the person) is much more appealing to me then running something that will take weeks to kick in, but then again, i am a "cyclist" 😀 and you being on trt might want to use a different approach, as you dont have to worry about recovery and also i want to try different compounds and as i am only doing one cycle a year so short esters make more sense.

Secondly, and you are not going to like this. I personally never considered EQ because of the rbc raising effect. I have enough issues on test only (500mg per week) as it raises my hematocrit from my baseline which is roughly 47% to 53-54% in 6-7 weeks.

But i DIDN'T use EQ so dont take this as a gospel.

I heard it is a good lean bulker, but i would personally prefer primo instead, at the similar dosages (600mg per week seems like a good starting point, and if i decide to run it, it is going to be in the 400-600mg per week ballpark), and maybe add Var towards the end, if the goal is more of a recomp.

Or if the goal is an all-out bulk, i think you cant go wrong with something like test/npp, didnt run npp but most people seem to like it.
Around here where i train, people call npp "muscle on top of the muscle".

But i hope that you do understand that both test/npp and test/primo/var will be just as much of a "lean" bulker provided that the diet is clean and surplus is small...just that you are going to look better on the latter stack...but the muscle gained from the former wont be "dirty" in any way lol...you just may hold more water while using the drugs.

The main question is, what is your goal with this cycle? An all-out bulk or a recomp?

But i understand that if you have already bought everything that it may be kinda fuked up to be going for something entirely different.

I am in the same boat with tren ace 😆😆...but i simply cannot comment or recommend such a beast until i have tried and experienced it myself, for moral reasons.
 
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I am flattered... ☺

Ok, so first thing i will say that as of recently i am more open to the idea of running a test base with higher anabolics, while previously i was "just run test steroids are used to build/preserve muecle" type of guy.

Secondly, and you are not going to like this. I personally never considered EQ because of the rbc raising effect. I have enough issues on test only (500mg per week) as it raises my hematocrit from my baseline which is roughly 47% to 53-54% in 6-7 weeks.

But i DIDN'T use EQ so dont take this as a gospel.

I heard it is a good lean bulker, but i would personally prefer primo instead, at the similar dosages (600mg per week seems like a good starting point, and if i decide to run it, it is going to be in the 400-600mg per week ballpark), and maybe add Var towards the end, if the goal is more of a recomp.

Or if the goal is an all-out bulk, i think you cant go wrong with something like test/npp, didnt run npp but most people seem to like it.
Around here where i train, people call npp "muscle on top of the muscle".

But i hope that you do understand that both test/npp and test/primo/var will be just as much of a "lean" bulker provided that the diet is clean and surplus is small...just that you are going to look better on the latter stack...but the muscle gained from the former wont be "dirty" in any way lol...you just may hold more water while using the drugs.

The main question is, what is your goal with this cycle? An all-out bulk or a recomp?

But i understand that if you have already bought everything that it may be kinda fuked up to be going for something entirely different.

I am in the same boat with tren ace 😆😆...but i simply cannot comment or recommend such a beast until i have tried and experienced it myself, for moral reasons.
Yeah I recall the issue you had with rbc and all that. I actually meant to ask if anyone had any recommendations about ancillaries with this cycle.
I am going to avoid 19nors for a bit since my trest run. I have caber ready for when I venture back into that realm.
I had the same idea about finishing with var and I still may do that. I like to leave things a little open ended and tend to play a little fast and loose.
Goal is always a recomp. I don’t compete so I don’t personally feel the need to all out bulk. Just wanna look better naked and lift things up and put them down.
 
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Just a quick Q: how do you do your injections as far as dose of each compound and frequency of shots?

Side note: The EQ is 400mg/ml which is why its so thick. It is possible since EQ is already in a liquid state at room temperature, but, personally, I don't like such high concentrations; especially the 400-500mg/ml Tests I see floating around.
 

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Yeah I recall the issue you had with rbc and all that. I actually meant to ask if anyone had any recommendations about ancillaries with this cycle.
I am going to avoid 19nors for a bit since my trest run. I have caber ready for when I venture back into that realm.
I had the same idea about finishing with var and I still may do that. I like to leave things a little open ended and tend to play a little fast and loose.
Goal is always a recomp. I don’t compete so I don’t personally feel the need to all out bulk. Just wanna look better naked and lift things up and put them down.
I dont think there is anything you can do for the high rbc other than donate blood, which obviously you dont want to overdo. One donation per cycle is more than plenty.

I would definitely consider adding a cosmetic if you want to look good for say the beach etc. Var looks very tempting to me, but i kinda have a problem with orals as they devastate cholesterol.

Anyway, since we have very similar goals (recomp, lean bulk, get stronger and look good at the beach lol) i am going to quickly lay out my plans so maybe you can get some ideas of what you could do.

Option a:
Week 1-7 test e 125mg test prop 300mg
Week 8-12 test e 125mg tren ace 140mg Var 40-50mg/day

Option b:
Week 1-12 test e 125-200 mg primo e 400-600mg
Week 8-12 tren ace 140mg

Oh and mk677 25mg per day throughout

I would be looking at something like that for the goals you and i have in mind, but once more, i didnt run eq, so cant really say how effective it is.
And as you can see, my dosages are pretty modest but i do respond to gear fairly well, and still think that the training has the room for the improvement.

Did you already run the EQ?
 
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Just a quick Q: how do you do your injections as far as dose of each compound and frequency of shots?

Side note: The EQ is 400mg/ml which is why its so thick. It is possible since EQ is already in a liquid state at room temperature, but, personally, I don't like such high concentrations; especially the 400-500mg/ml Tests I see floating around.
I’ve done 2x a week and 3x a week. I was hoping to do 2x a week since it’s all longer esters but I may do 3x and I may mix the test and eq to thin it a bit. My test is 250mg/ml so it’s not a high concentration one.
 

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I dont think there is anything you can do for the high rbc other than donate blood, which obviously you dont want to overdo. One donation per cycle is more than plenty.

I would definitely consider adding a cosmetic if you want to look for say the beach etc. Var looks very tempting to me, but i kinda have a problem with orals as they devastate cholesterol.

Anyway, since we have very similar goals (recomp, lean bulk, get stronger and look good at the beach lol) i am going to quickly lay out my plans so maybe you can get some ideas of what you could do.

Option a:
Week 1-7 test e 125mg test prop 300mg
Week 8-12 test e 125mg tren ace 140mg Var 40-50mg/day

Option b:
Week 1-12 test e 200 mg primo e 400-600mg
Week 8-12 tren ace 140mg

Oh and mk677 25mg per day throughout

I would be looking at something like that for the goals you and i have in mind, but once more, i didnt run eq, so cant really say how effective it is.
And as you can see, my dosages are pretty modest but i do respond to gear fairly well, and still think that the training has the room for the improvement.

Did you already run the EQ?
Yes I have started the EQ. My lipids are generally **** even without orals so I was hoping to avoid any harsh ones. I wouldn’t be opposed to adding another oil at the end, primo or mast or something if I’m lean enough.
 

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Yes I have started the EQ. My lipids are generally **** even without orals so I was hoping to avoid any harsh ones. I wouldn’t be opposed to adding another oil at the end, primo or mast or something if I’m lean enough.
I dont think primo at the end for a short time would do anything, afaik it needs to be run at respectable dose for quite some time to see effects.

Mast is good for hardening however i like proviron much better and dont think you will get anything out of mast that you wont out of proviron except some extra aggression (which can be useful in the gym) and an increase in "i hate the world" feeling. In other words, i didnt like masteron at all, found it as a side-ridden proviron with no extra benefits.

Btw gotta take care of those lipids man. Diet and cardio are the main factors that can alter them for the better. I ate pretty low fat and even on 400mg mast which is allegedly harsh on lipids my cholesterol was right there in the center of the reference. Hdl was at the bottom of the range yes, but total was right there at the center.

Hdl will always be affected on gear but you cant have high total and ldl if you are not supplying the material, if you know what i am saying?
 

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Just a quick Q: how do you do your injections as far as dose of each compound and frequency of shots?

Side note: The EQ is 400mg/ml which is why its so thick. It is possible since EQ is already in a liquid state at room temperature, but, personally, I don't like such high concentrations; especially the 400-500mg/ml Tests I see floating around.
Oh ZOO I had used 3AD with a run a little ways back thinking it was a DHT derivative of some sort and I was corrected. I do have a few bottles more. What would your recommendation be for using those in general?
 

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I dont think primo at the end for a short time would do anything, afaik it needs to be run at respectable dose for quite some time to see effects.

Mast is good for hardening however i like proviron much better and dont think you will get anything out of mast that you wont out of proviron except some extra aggression (which can be useful in the gym) and an increase in "i hate the world" feeling. In other words, i didnt like masteron at all, found it as a side-ridden proviron with no extra benefits.

Btw gotta take care of those lipids man. Diet and cardio are the main factors that can alter them for the better. I ate pretty low fat and even on 400mg mast which is allegedly harsh on lipids my cholesterol was right there in the center of the reference. Hdl was at the bottom of the range yes, but total was right there at the center.

Hdl will always be affected on gear but you cant have high total and ldl if you are not supplying the material, if you know what i am saying?
Oh I skipped over the mk comment. I am going to be running either gh or peptides when the funds are available. Didn’t really care if it coincided with the cycle.
And you’re right on the lipids thing man. I gotta just fix it
 
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I’d consider getting bloods every 6 weeks since you don’t know what your hematocrit will do on this. You may need a couple donations to keep things on point.

Obviously, always stay hydrated, and Nattokinase is the safest option I know to help prevent clots. You will certainly want to be taking K2. A couple guys on here notice a couple point reduction in hematocrit by taking Grapefruit Seed Extract, allegedly.

Proviron would be best in the tale end of the cycle to as it will lower SHBG, and estrogen tends to sneak up on eq later on I’ve read as it’s such a slow ester, so that could be niftier later.

RAD140 has PubMed showing it competes with estrogen receptors, and from a firsthand experience I can tell you it definitely helps protect my gyno like a very very mild SERM. Allegedly good for prostate health too as it binds there hard. Like all SARMs and orals, not great for lipids. But could be something fun for the first 6 weeks while EQ builds and use Proviron later. Aggressive Labz has a great 15mg capped product we’ve had success with.

If not, I would add Boron ~10mg on the back half of the cycle to lower SHBG some.
 
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I should preface this is entirely based on my opinion, preferences, experience, and what I have been reading/listening into as far as PED usage... You'll do very well with a moderate cycle as you had planned. My personal modification would be 400mg Test Cyp and 600mg EQ (750 if you want to push it harder). I used to be a fan of higher dose EQ but usually would end up getting bad anxiety and **** from it after a period of 900mg or more. 600mg will provide more than adequate anabolism when combined with Test.

Also, I would skip the preload phase. I've not found much benefit to hyper-dosing injectables at the beginning of a cycle and usually just get sore or sick (ask me about when I shot 1500mg of Test in one go hahaha). The body can only uptake so much at one time and, in reality, the compound goes into effect immediately. Considering you have a reasonable recomp goal, these conservative doses will perform exceptionally well when nutrition and recovery factors are emphasized. I thought I'd find myself going backwards after dropping my doses low to where they are now, but am still progressing despite this and injury.

While I completely understand the appeal of doing the least amount of shots possible, using smaller doses with more frequent injections is a far superior approach - particularly with faster acting compounds, which I consider more ideal albeit less convenient for most. If possible I'd do eod injections or no less than 3 times per week. This will increase compound utilization efficiency as well as allow the body to process, metabolize, and/or eliminate estradiol with greater ease (ie less or no need for AI). I'd tentatively remove the use of AI and Nolva unless you actually find yourself needing it. At most, only use the AI if estrogen problems begin to present themselves - Exemstane, being a suicide inhibitor, is preferable.

If an oral is wanted I would run something like Anavar at 25mg or even Turinabol. This is only if you feel the need or strong desire to incorporate it as you mentioned poor lipid profiles, which may be remedied by diet to a certain extent depending on the genetic predisposition.

For other options, I think MK can be a good add-on like CroLifter was saying. T2 or a low dose of T3 can be helpful as well.

I think I hit about everything I wanted to say but may have overlooked something. lol
 

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I’d consider getting bloods every 6 weeks since you don’t know what your hematocrit will do on this. You may need a couple donations to keep things on point.

Obviously, always stay hydrated, and Nattokinase is the safest option I know to help prevent clots. You will certainly want to be taking K2. A couple guys on here notice a couple point reduction in hematocrit by taking Grapefruit Seed Extract, allegedly.

Proviron would be best in the tale end of the cycle to as it will lower SHBG, and estrogen tends to sneak up on eq later on I’ve read as it’s such a slow ester, so that could be niftier later.

RAD140 has PubMed showing it competes with estrogen receptors, and from a firsthand experience I can tell you it definitely helps protect my gyno like a very very mild SERM. Allegedly good for prostate health too as it binds there hard. Like all SARMs and orals, not great for lipids. But could be something fun for the first 6 weeks while EQ builds and use Proviron later. Aggressive Labz has a great 15mg capped product we’ve had success with.

If not, I would add Boron ~10mg on the back half of the cycle to lower SHBG some.
Unfortunately in my state you cannot get private bloodwork done. So I can only get it as my doctor orders it.
Thank you for the other suggestions in regards to clots and supplementation, I remember you mentioning boron in another thread, among other things. I will probably donate mid cycle just to be on the safe side. My bloods taken very recently we’re good as far as hematocrit and rbc etc.
I hadn’t even thought of sarms. That is worth taking a look, and I obviously have plenty of time to make that decision.
 

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I should preface this is entirely based on my opinion, preferences, experience, and what I have been reading/listening into as far as PED usage... You'll do very well with a moderate cycle as you had planned. My personal modification would be 400mg Test Cyp and 600mg EQ (750 if you want to push it harder). I used to be a fan of higher dose EQ but usually would end up getting bad anxiety and **** from it after a period of 900mg or more. 600mg will provide more than adequate anabolism when combined with Test.

Also, I would skip the preload phase. I've not found much benefit to hyper-dosing injectables at the beginning of a cycle and usually just get sore or sick (ask me about when I shot 1500mg of Test in one go hahaha). The body can only uptake so much at one time and, in reality, the compound goes into effect immediately. Considering you have a reasonable recomp goal, these conservative doses will perform exceptionally well when nutrition and recovery factors are emphasized. I thought I'd find myself going backwards after dropping my doses low to where they are now, but am still progressing despite this and injury.

While I completely understand the appeal of doing the least amount of shots possible, using smaller doses with more frequent injections is a far superior approach - particularly with faster acting compounds, which I consider more ideal albeit less convenient for most. If possible I'd do eod injections or no less than 3 times per week. This will increase compound utilization efficiency as well as allow the body to process, metabolize, and/or eliminate estradiol with greater ease (ie less or no need for AI). I'd tentatively remove the use of AI and Nolva unless you actually find yourself needing it. At most, only use the AI if estrogen problems begin to present themselves - Exemstane, being a suicide inhibitor, is preferable.

If an oral is wanted I would run something like Anavar at 25mg or even Turinabol. This is only if you feel the need or strong desire to incorporate it as you mentioned poor lipid profiles, which may be remedied by diet to a certain extent depending on the genetic predisposition.

For other options, I think MK can be a good add-on like CroLifter was saying. T2 or a low dose of T3 can be helpful as well.

I think I hit about everything I wanted to say but may have overlooked something. lol
Ok I’m gonna try not to miss anything here, as always you have a ton of knowledge to drop.
I also like the idea of using the lowest amount of a compound possible that still produces results. If upping the test slightly would assist in not having to up the EQ then I’d rather do that. I will add I don’t plan to up the EQ unless it was necessary anyway.
I will do 3x a week. Everything about the AI and nolva heard and I will adjust. I do have aromasin I just have an actual script for the anastrozole so I try to use it when I can.
I do have some Var if I feel the need later on. My source also just posted about Injectible mk. It’s funny that you both mention it. I saw the post after these. Maybe I’ll look further into that. I was using t3/4 from the doc but recently discontinued use on their recommendation. When you release your new t2 id love to give it a try.
 
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EQ is a hell of a Drug, I won’t touch it because it’s singlehandedly caused more people a **** ton of trouble, moreso than any other AAS. Probably EPO is worse but I couldn’t tell you for sure You gotta stay on top of bloods, take everything you can to keep RBC count down as well. It shoots up fast, almost as bad as EPO
 
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I could be totally off base, but I feel like the whole "turn everything injectable" is more trend than truth. I don't believe MK, which has solid oral bioavailability by design, can be more advantageous when injected. At the very least, not substantial enough to warrant an additional shot... unless you just like poking yourself haha

Pretty sure I have finalized the Virus formula so once I get it the manufacturing part moving I'll post up the stats! It's gonna be sweeeeeeet.
 
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I could be totally off base, but I feel like the whole "turn everything injectable" is more trend than truth. I don't believe MK, which has solid oral bioavailability by design, can be more advantageous when injected. At the very least, not substantial enough to warrant an additional shot... unless you just like poking yourself haha

Pretty sure I have finalized the Virus formula so once I get it the manufacturing part moving I'll post up the stats! It's gonna be sweeeeeeet.
Yeah I wasn’t sure there would be any advantage. From what I’ve been hearing people are getting less sides injecting harsh orals such as SD but I don’t know what injecting MK would help.
Looking forward to trying the new formula.
Did you have any input on the use of 3AD? I think that was the only thing that got overlooked
 
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I could be totally off base, but I feel like the whole "turn everything injectable" is more trend than truth. I don't believe MK, which has solid oral bioavailability by design, can be more advantageous when injected. At the very least, not substantial enough to warrant an additional shot... unless you just like poking yourself haha

Pretty sure I have finalized the Virus formula so once I get it the manufacturing part moving I'll post up the stats! It's gonna be sweeeeeeet.
Yes, I have been thinking the same thing. Mike Arnold just released oil-based LGD & S23 strictly because there was enough demand from people who want to see if there’s any noticeable difference. But it’s already orally sound, so it seems like a waste. I’d even rather eat an extra 10mg daily at no extra effort vs pinning 7 more shots per wk - time IS money too.

And people claim less sides with suspended SD & winny, but then are bitching about crippling PIP daily that messes with training - that’s the worst side there is! All of this is for the training gains.
 

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So rather than doing the two 1.5 ml shots of EQ this week (I had done the first and it was less than pleasant at the high concentration although nothing crippling) I decided to split that second dose. So today I combined my test dose I would have been taking anyway with .75 ml of EQ. It seemed to thin it slightly. I pinned my other VG today so we will see how it feels in the next day or two.
 
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Yeah I wasn’t sure there would be any advantage. From what I’ve been hearing people are getting less sides injecting harsh orals such as SD but I don’t know what injecting MK would help.
Looking forward to trying the new formula.
Did you have any input on the use of 3AD? I think that was the only thing that got overlooked
Most people seem to like it as a preworkout. That's how I used it and seems like most people who use my Swole Patrol follow that route. I opted for this approach since I have ample oils in my system keeping me anabolic throughout the day. I reckoned I'd experiment to see if the androgenic properties would enhance my training capacity by taking 3AD preworkout. Having taken 3-4 caps preworkout (roughly 45-60 minutes before training iirc) I noticed stronger contractions, bigger pumps, and greater muscular endurance; I did not test cardiovascular endurance though so I can't comment there.
 

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Most people seem to like it as a preworkout. That's how I used it and seems like most people who use my Swole Patrol follow that route. I opted for this approach since I have ample oils in my system keeping me anabolic throughout the day. I reckoned I'd experiment to see if the androgenic properties would enhance my training capacity by taking 3AD preworkout. Having taken 3-4 caps preworkout (roughly 45-60 minutes before training iirc) I noticed stronger contractions, bigger pumps, and greater muscular endurance; I did not test cardiovascular endurance though so I can't comment there.
I like that idea. I’m gonna try that at some point during this cycle
 

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EQ is a hell of a Drug, I won’t touch it because it’s singlehandedly caused more people a **** ton of trouble, moreso than any other AAS. Probably EPO is worse but I couldn’t tell you for sure You gotta stay on top of bloods, take everything you can to keep RBC count down as well. It shoots up fast, almost as bad as EPO
I actually never heard of anyone having serious conplication due to just increased rbc.

I for one dont feel comfortable with hct out of range, but myself am not sure how dangerous it actually is.
 
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I actually never heard of anyone having serious conplication due to just increased rbc.

I for one dont feel comfortable with hct out of range, but myself am not sure how dangerous it actually is.
Well RBCs primarily make up hematocrit, which is quite dangerous when it gets high. Causes BP issues, sometimes clots etc. the biggest worry is clotting or throwing an already formed clot because of the increased arterial shear force*.

That’s why EPO killed so many athletes. It’s not because it’s directly dangerous, you won’t drop dead if you inject wrong, it’s because of the Bp issues that cause a cascading effect that leads to heart failure or stroke.

No bueno

*High Arterial shear force is the primary cause of arterial stiffening in otherwise healthy individuals. Causes damage to the walls of the artery that are then replaced not by endothelial cells, but instead by scar tissue which plaque LOVES to stick too.
 

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Ah so basically blood pressure and blood viscosity play a role in arterial shear force. Makes sense.

i remember seeing a diagram somewhere stating that individuals with highest hematocrit were the most likely to develop heart failure...not sure whether that is due to the blood pressure elevation or due to the thick blood itself.
 
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Ah so basjcally blood pressure and blood visxosity play a role in arterial shear force. Makes sense.

i remember seeing a diagram somewhere stating that individuals with highest hematocrit were the most likely to develop heart failure...not sure whether that is due to the blood pressure elevation or due to the thick blood itself.
Both. Both will cause LV thickening, and decreased chamber size. This means the heart has to work harder to pump blood, BP increases to do so, heart now has to deal with higher BP so only thing it can do it start to stretch out. LV begins to weaken as it becomes stretched out, causing lower and lower ejection fraction till you die
 

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I did end up ordering somatazine (mk677) and some gw from MA. Once that comes in I’ll be starting both. I do need to address these lipids so the GW will hopefully help with that both directly and indirectly through increased cardio. The MK I’ll be doing for a bit, waiting on some sales for gh and starting that after a while.
 
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And elevated bp over an extended period is what will kill your kidneys and have you on dialysis to survive. If you have known anyone personally that relied on dialysis you know it’s no way to live. You are in a constant cycle of accumulating toxins and feeling progressively worse until you go for dialysis, where they strain you over the course of hours, and now despite being clean you’re exhausted from the treatment.

Dante Trudel is huge on bloods to keep tabs on your EGFR. But the primary way to keep that from getting worse is to keep bp and hematocrit under control, however you have to.
 
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And elevated bp over an extended period is what will kill your kidneys and have you on dialysis to survive. If you have known anyone personally that relied on dialysis you know it’s no way to live. You are in a constant cycle of accumulating toxins and feeling progressively worse until you go for dialysis, where they strain you over the course of hours, and now despite being clean you’re exhausted from the treatment.

Dante Trudel is huge on bloods to keep tabs on your EGFR. But the primary way to keep that from getting worse is to keep bp and hematocrit under control, however you have to.
 
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And elevated bp over an extended period is what will kill your kidneys and have you on dialysis to survive. If you have known anyone personally that relied on dialysis you know it’s no way to live. You are in a constant cycle of accumulating toxins and feeling progressively worse until you go for dialysis, where they strain you over the course of hours, and now despite being clean you’re exhausted from the treatment.

Dante Trudel is huge on bloods to keep tabs on your EGFR. But the primary way to keep that from getting worse is to keep bp and hematocrit under control, however you have to.
Yup that’s why I’m going on BP meds at 22. Even though I’m only around 130, it’s bad long term. Rather be 100/60 with meds than 130/60 without them
 
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And elevated bp over an extended period is what will kill your kidneys and have you on dialysis to survive. If you have known anyone personally that relied on dialysis you know it’s no way to live. You are in a constant cycle of accumulating toxins and feeling progressively worse until you go for dialysis, where they strain you over the course of hours, and now despite being clean you’re exhausted from the treatment.

Dante Trudel is huge on bloods to keep tabs on your EGFR. But the primary way to keep that from getting worse is to keep bp and hematocrit under control, however you have to.
Yup that’s why I’m going on BP meds at 22. Even though I’m only around 130, it’s bad long term. Rather be 100/60 with meds than 130/60 without them
 

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And elevated bp over an extended period is what will kill your kidneys and have you on dialysis to survive. If you have known anyone personally that relied on dialysis you know it’s no way to live. You are in a constant cycle of accumulating toxins and feeling progressively worse until you go for dialysis, where they strain you over the course of hours, and now despite being clean you’re exhausted from the treatment.

Dante Trudel is huge on bloods to keep tabs on your EGFR. But the primary way to keep that from getting worse is to keep bp and hematocrit under control, however you have to.
BP is always good and hematocrit has never been out of range. I will keep an eye on both.
 

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I can already tell that splitting the EQ dose and mixing it to thin it out is working out waaaaayyy better than a bunch of straight EQ.
 
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I can already tell that splitting the EQ dose and mixing it to thin it out is working out waaaaayyy better than a bunch of straight EQ.
Hell yeah it help, **** if I pinned my SD straight at 40mg a ml I’d probably curl up in a ball and die. I mix mine with my prop and sometimes test C. Helps thin it out a lot
 

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Hell yeah it help, **** if I pinned my SD straight at 40mg a ml I’d probably curl up in a ball and die. I mix mine with my prop and sometimes test C. Helps thin it out a lot
Yeah the first pin that was just the 400mg/ml of EQ I thought it was clogged or something was wrong. Probably half the reason it ended up hurting was the amount the needle moved as I struggled to inject peanut butter into my hip
 

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Black Friday happened so I might have a few other goodies on the way so maybe at some point I’ll end up throwing something else in there during this cycle
 

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So mixing the test and the eq worked well again. I will be continuing to do so throughout the cycle.
 
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In. Great info to read in here already.
 

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So the final break down is .5ml EQ and .53ml test cyp MWF. So 1.5ml or 600mg/wk of EQ and 1.6ml or 400mg/wk of test.

So I did the ~1.03 ml shot in my right VG last night and it is fairly sore today and I could tell it was going to be as soon as I did it. I’m not certain if I just am inconsistent since I just started trying VG shots or if it’s just that the EQ is such high concentration and the test isn’t thinning it enough. I don’t really want to pin every day but I don’t want sore hips every day for like 5 months either. Suggestions?
 
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Why not pin like 2 spots? Glutes and delts or something. Not all in one spot.
 
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I’m pinning 2.75 ml in my vg for about 3 weeks haven’t got any soreness. I don’t know if you tense up at all but once the pins in relax your leg and don’t move the needle around. Push about 20 sec for each ml. I’m not saying your doing this wrong but you could be in fat. I use a 25 1in. Is this your first time pinning VG. A lot of people thing you have to pin the upper outer quadrant which is right but you need to split that in half diagonally and hit on the middle of that line.
 

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I’m pinning 2.75 ml in my vg for about 3 weeks haven’t got any soreness. I don’t know if you tense up at all but once the pins in relax your leg and don’t move the needle around. Push about 20 sec for each ml. I’m not saying your doing this wrong but you could be in fat. I use a 25 1in. Is this your first time pinning VG. A lot of people thing you have to pin the upper outer quadrant which is right but you need to split that in half diagonally and hit on the middle of that line.
This is the first few times I’ve hit it yes. I’ve done it I think four times now and had soreness twice and none twice. I am definitely not as confident I’m hitting the right spot as I am with delts or quads. I don’t think it’s the volume of oil just the fact that the EQ is 400mg/ml so it is thick. That combined with me possibly being inconsistent with the placement of it.
 
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This is the first few times I’ve hit it yes. I’ve done it I think four times now and had soreness twice and none twice. I am definitely not as confident I’m hitting the right spot as I am with delts or quads. I don’t think it’s the volume of oil just the fact that the EQ is 400mg/ml so it is thick. That combined with me possibly being inconsistent with the placement of it.
I’m also using eq with tren and test.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c68pLxbqs_M
 
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I was under the impression the glute and VG were two different sites
They are lol my bad I wasn’t really paying attention really I’d recommend the flute it’s easy and much more forgiving.
 

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They are lol my bad I wasn’t really paying attention really I’d recommend the flute it’s easy and much more forgiving.
I’ll give it a try.

Oh I forgot to mention I did take a .125 mg anastrozole last night. I was looking watery and hadn’t taken it at all in a week or two. I had a great pull workout yesterday and push workout today. Pumps were great. My stamina in the gym is down a little as a took a few weeks off recently and haven’t been on point with the diet.
 

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I did try the glute shots. They aren’t bad. Just had my gf do them. Minor pip but nothing to complain about. Took another anastrozole.125.
I went a little crazy with Black Friday sales and the China ban scare. So I should have dbol, drol, tri tren, mast p, more proviron, primo, gh, etc all arriving shortly. I’m sure with all this sitting here I will be adding something soon
 

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Double post

I wouldn’t mind trying the tren out for a short time during this cycle. How do you guys think that would best be implemented? It’s a blend of tren h, e, a. 60mg of each I believe

The MK and GW from MA I ordered are arriving today so I’ll be adding those into the mix. I am going to try an 8 on 4 off schedule with the MK as MA has been recommending lately. If that doesn’t work for me I’ll just take it every day for the length of the bottle and then switch to gh
 
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The stuff from MA labs arrived. Took 25 mg of MK a few min ago. Will start the GW tomorrow. Going with 8 on 4 off for the MK
 

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