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Toxic Avenger or Best Cutting Cycle Ever?

CoachG

CoachG

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Thought about putting this post in the "weight loss" forum, but I think it has more applicability here. Apologies if this is not the case.

So, for the last 20 or so days of my cutting cycle, I've decided to do the following:

SD @ 40mg/day
PP @ 40mg/day
Tren Ace @ 100mg/EOD
DNP @ 200mg/day/4days, 400mg/day, adjusting as required
albuterol @ 6mg 5xday, running throughout PCT
T3 starting at 40mcg/day, going up to 100mcg/day, adjusting as required
ephedrine/caffeine/yohimibine stack 20mg/200mg/8mg 3xday, running throughout PCT
ketotifen @ 1mg/night, running throughout PCT
l-tyrosine @ 10g/day, running throughout PCT
hCG@500IUs every 4th day for the last two weeks, running it one week into PCT
toremifene @ 120mg EOD, switching over to a normal run of tamoxifen during PCT (60/40/40/20)
exemestane @ 15mg/day throughout and into the first three weeks of PCT
taurine @ 10g/daily
1.5-2gallons water/daily
5-6 tablespoons glycerol/daily

Now, I'll spare you the full laundry list of supplements I take, except to mention that I'm using and will continue to use 2g of NAC, 9 caps of fish oil, 1g of ALA, 1g of milk thistle extract, 400mcg selenium, 4g of Vit C, 800 IU Vit E, 600mg potassium, 1000mg magnesium, 2000mg calcium, 20mg melatonin,10g ALC, 300mg quercetin, 200g of whey protein, and 30g of Udo's EFAs daily.

I know, I know, I wanted to include sustanon, but it fell thru. Also, I realize clen is considered a better fat-burner than albuterol, but I don't like the whole "necrotic to cardiac cells" thing (even though I have used it). I realize there is overlap between the ECY stack and the albuterol, but I find the former keeps my energy levels high and from what I understand, you get better beta-3 stimulation from EC than from clen/alb, which provides more beta-2 stimulation. I realize that T3 is not necessary for effective use of DNP, but I'm not taking it b/c I think it's necessary.

While I've been using a CKD, I'm not trying to stay super-low carb on DNP. My plan was to eat at about 500 cal below maintenence, going for an even three-way split: 1/3 cal from fat, 1/3 cal from protein, 1/3 cal from carbs, using mainly fruit for my carbs.

The use of the torem and exemestane on-cycle is b/c my understanding is that one will burn fat more easily in the pesence of less estrogen. The switch from torem to tomax is simpy b/c I have a bottle of each.

OK, it's a lot, I know. Not the healthiest cycle in the world. I know this too. I won't ask not to get flamed for it, but I'm more interested in useful feedback on how to tweak this to get the most (or, lose the most) out of it.

Also, are guggolsterones worth a damn?

Thank you in advance.
Peace.
 
i dont like the use of a serm every other day when u have zero signs of gyno.. also your sd dose is kind of high.. how is your bp.. im thinking its gonna be through through during this cycle.. hopefully youll have some other support for bp and lipids
 
You can't just take stupid amounts of chemicals and let them do the work for you. I don't like it one bit. Unless you're a pro and this is how you make your bills then i'd say it's pretty arrogant to put that much stress on your body for the sake of cutting faster.

The high dosed serm everyday is unnecessary. The ECY stack is fine. But also having albuterol, T3 and DNP is ridiculous. The high dosed methylated orals are also a very bad idea, you'll be getting painful pumps and cramps even with the support supps. 40mg of Superdrol is unnecessary. I have run 10-30 and 20 is the best, 30 is a good dose for bigger people towards the end of the cycle, but 40 just on a cut, is to me a big WTF.

And the sust fell through, well i think this cycle woudl be much better if you replaced the orals with other injectables. Like say make it into a test prop and tren ace cycle with ECY. That's a cutting cycle. You don't need to take something that's going to work and triple the amount of chems. It won't make it 3x as effective... the effectiveness won't stack linearly... but it will place 3x more stress on your body.
 
wow im no expert or anything but im pretty sure that is way to much stuff to be putting in your body i would not do it anyway!
 
Zero V said:
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That was a good smiliey for this thread...

Can you post a picture so we can see how advanced you are before you do this cycle?

How long have you been on sd and pp or how long do you plan to be?

First thing I'd suggest is taking out the DNP (glycerol and T3 as well) you won't need it and if you mess up on it with all the other crap your on you might not make it. Your SD and PP dosages are way to high for your weight try tapering up through out the cycle (IMHO take out the sd.) With what you have left a good diet and training routine can get you where you want to go.

We arn't really here to flame you but rather look out for your health as well as the PH's we know and love from being banned if you die on cycle. Please take some of our advice and make a log so if everything doesn't go well we can show the next person that thinks to use everything they can find.
 
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Thank you guys for the feedback. I am definitely keeping a log, and will have before and after pics to post.
I've been running the SD and PP at the stated dosages for two weeks so far and did experience very unpleasant calf and spinal erector pumps. I went ketogenic and incorporated 10g of taurine/day at almost the same time, so I'm not sure which alleviated those symptoms. My thinking is that it was probably both, but it has been suggested elsewhere that it was probably the taurine.
I haven't been experiencing any estrogenic effects, so I may take the advice and not use the SERM until PCT. The plan was to use it every other day, though, not every day. My thinking was to keep estrogen as low as possible to facilitate fat loss. What are your thoughts on the AI?
I have beta-blockers on hand in case my BP gets really out of hand, though I certainly don't plan on using them unless I have to.

We could have a long discussion about the pros and cons of doing extreme things, but in the end, it's gotta come down to what a person is comfortable risking. I don't pretend to suggest what I'm attempting is even close to safe, but it is, I believe, fairly well thought-out. I've got about 14 years of training under my belt, but was unable to lift for about two years. I retain muslce well but tend towards fat. I've been hitting it hard and consistently for about 3 months now and I've basically gotten most of my strength and muscle back, but I'm at a much higher bf% level than I like.
I don't contest the fact that consistent diet and exercise would take me to the same place, though more slowly.
This is how I prefer to do things. I don't reccomend it or defend it. I just thought you guys might like to see how it goes.
 
CoachG said:
Thank you guys for the feedback. I am definitely keeping a log, and will have before and after pics to post.
I've been running the SD and PP at the stated dosages for two weeks so far and did experience very unpleasant calf and spinal erector pumps. I went ketogenic and incorporated 10g of taurine/day at almost the same time, so I'm not sure which alleviated those symptoms. My thinking is that it was probably both, but it has been suggested elsewhere that it was probably the taurine.
I haven't been experiencing any estrogenic effects, so I may take the advice and not use the SERM until PCT. The plan was to use it every other day, though, not every day. My thinking was to keep estrogen as low as possible to facilitate fat loss. What are your thoughts on the AI?
I have beta-blockers on hand in case my BP gets really out of hand, though I certainly don't plan on using them unless I have to.

We could have a long discussion about the pros and cons of doing extreme things, but in the end, it's gotta come down to what a person is comfortable risking. I don't pretend to suggest what I'm attempting is even close to safe, but it is, I believe, fairly well thought-out. I've got about 14 years of training under my belt, but was unable to lift for about two years. I retain muslce well but tend towards fat. I've been hitting it hard and consistently for about 3 months now and I've basically gotten most of my strength and muscle back, but I'm at a much higher bf% level than I like.
I don't contest the fact that consistent diet and exercise would take me to the same place, though more slowly.
This is how I prefer to do things. I don't reccomend it or defend it. I just thought you guys might like to see how it goes.
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Good post there, well we will all follow along with your log
Also your pretty new to AM so welcome to the board. :wave2:
 
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