Topical DHEA Question

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i' m gonna start selling transdermal cholesterol as a otc replacement for test base. there should be good conversion but it must be applied to the scrotum. it's called PLACEBODROL made from 100% non-organic animal fat. please contact me if u need any. bulk orders available
 
well, i got a bottle of ntbm transaderm, and i'll be giving it a go soon.

on another note, im using 7-spray in my pct, and am freaking loving it! :thumbsup:
 
jbryand101b said:
well, i got a bottle of ntbm transaderm, and i'll be giving it a go soon.

on another note, im using 7-spray in my pct, and am freaking loving it! :thumbsup:

7 spray sounds like some good stuff... I think im going to give it a go before my next cycle.
 
Sourdough said:
7 spray sounds like some good stuff... I think im going to give it a go before my next cycle.

I should look into that 7spray. Currently my pct is looking like some stoked and testopro ...
 
I should look into that 7spray. Currently my pct is looking like some stoked and testopro ...

pct for what???

no estrogen control???
 
pct for what???

no estrogen control???

Well stoked is my estrogen balance supp. Testopro is my natty test. I have some other stuff laying around. I will see how I feel after the 4 weeks on the DHEA. Site says no need PCT, but I dont trust that obviously. And after reading this thread I dont even know that I trust this product lol.
 
I should look into that 7spray. Currently my pct is looking like some stoked and testopro ...
tack on some Testforce2 you won't be disappointed.
 
mattrag said:
Well stoked is my estrogen balance supp. Testopro is my natty test. I have some other stuff laying around. I will see how I feel after the 4 weeks on the DHEA. Site says no need PCT, but I dont trust that obviously. And after reading this thread I dont even know that I trust this product lol.

Oh yeah... I would def run a pct.... I'd look into erase as well like we were talking about ;)

Interested in stoked myself... Ask I'd AI's products actually... I just realized the other day that I hadn't tried anything since they first released cycle support
 
Sourdough said:
Oh yeah... I would def run a pct.... I'd look into erase as well like we were talking about ;)

Interested in stoked myself... Ask I'd AI's products actually... I just realized the other day that I hadn't tried anything since they first released cycle support

I'm wondering if I should see if I can run this for four weeks the stack it with ah and epi till its gone... Lol. I'm looking to increase my strength this winter. Weight doesn't matter much.
 
mattrag said:
I'm wondering if I should see if I can run this for four weeks the stack it with ah and epi till its gone... Lol. I'm looking to increase my strength this winter. Weight doesn't matter much.

That sounds tasty.... AH and epi both should help mitigate estrogenic side effects.
 
7,8 Benzoflavone (36mg), Resveratrol (36mg), Pregnenolone (18mg), and Chrysin (9mg) are also included. Would these ingredients counter any negative effects of DHEA?

the dose of res is too low in my opinion to be of much use. i dunno what dose of the benzoflav would be effective at and chrysin is neithered dosed remotely effectively nor soluble enough to get through the skin.

everyone has diffreent sensitivities so if you can handle dhea and like it then fine
 
ha this has been my sentiments exactly regarding all these DHEA products...

4-DHEA, 1-DHEA, those are different... but come on.... whos out there really buying up DHEA at 50-60 bucks a bottle when you can get grams of the stuff in powder for a few dollars and it will still be just as pointless unless your in a severely deficient hormonal state.... in that case you should be on TRT anyways.


BTW we have a ton of dhea capsules at 200mg here that we dont sell and if everyone wants to scoop them up just lemme know
 
this is a very interesting topic. Sourdough you ask "who's really out there buying up DHEA anyway" and the answer is tons of ppl swear buy such DHEA products.

I know ppl who train and ran dermacrine who definitely achieved tighter/denser muscle mass (albeit not drastic but seemingly real effects) and reported hightened sense of well being. I know without bloodwork such a experience is hard to quantify, but still... Makes one wonder where this suggested increase of male hormone came from if DHEA really isn't for guys as is suggested.


DHEA has been proposed to be an antagonist at the GABA(A) receptor so its possible some people feel a stimulatory effect from it
 
this study seems to show that dhea itself binds to the androgen receptor

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i would bet you a million bucks that its ability to regulate AR mediated gene transcription is a teeny fraction of of a fraction compared to the classical physiological androgens like test and dht. So its hard for me to imagine that in eugonadal males its contribution to the androgen pool is even significant

now if you are a woman, a castrate, or a child that may be different
 
Def good convo in here...PA, ATD being pretty potent (which If I'm not mistaken, binds to the site of the aromatase enzyme & renders it inactive)...would you think 25mg/day would be the next best thing to a SERM....or not so much?

it may block the conversion of DHEA into classical estrogens but it wouldnt do anything to stop the estrogenic actions of the metabolite 5-adiol and DHEA itself
 
I would doubt so... Its still not blocking anything at the ER itself. That's what is absolutely essential to block dhea's estrogenic effects since dhea and a few of its metabolites have direct interactions with the ER and no amount of aromatase blocking will stop those interactions.

In fact in a study I just read....

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It shows that males administered 50mg for DHEA 6 days in a TD gel showed no significant increased in either estrogen OR testosterone, just dhea and its metabolite dheas.... Until they did the follow up blood draws 5 weeks after ceasing the dose.

This showed a 50% increase in testosterone had occurred from the downstream cascade of enzymatic conversions from dhea built up in the body.... One could only assume this number would increase if dose was increased and prolonged beyond 6 days just like in a typical cycle.

This would all be good and fine, except for one thing. Estrogen also had an increase in those 5 weeks after only 6 days of dhea administration.... 300% over baseline values..... Imagine what a 4-8 week cycle would yield?

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My guess is that the DHEA was somehow upregulating enzymes which shuttle DHEA and other sex hormone precursors to active androgens and estrogens. The bad part of that equation of course is the compensatory downregulation of LH/FSH

So not a good thing to take post cycle, at least transdermally
 
plant based Ai's are probably worthless in the real world. they require fairly large doses to have any effect and i seriously doubt a transdermal carrier could carry the amount necessary to achieve an effect in the body. resveratrol is good for u but taking it to keep from gettin gyno is comical. .

you cant make such dismissive statements. not enough research has been done on these things. much of what has been published is suggestive of the possibility of benefit but we just dont know yet

just because something was chemically synthesized and something is natural doesnt mean one works and the other one has to suck

(chrysin probably does suck though, as a couple of studies have not come out well at all)
 
Estrogen conversion is largely a function of the androgen in question, and enzymes conversion rates. Individual differences are present, but in my experience and in every bit of feedback I've seen on finished products/homebrews (including my own bloodwork) - there's little issue in the case of TOPICAL DHEA. Orally, it's a WHOLE 'nother story.

In any case, getting enough of it into circulation is job #1. In this respect, you'll see the term "flux" showing up over, in the trandermal literature. This simply refers to the amount of surface area the product is spread across/over. Yes, some areas of the body have thinner/thicker skin covering such, but PE's (penetration enhancers) should be included to address. The gold standard is DMSO, but prude that the FDA is - they take a dim view of such. You might spill an oz. or two by accident, into your topical. It's unfortunate but happens. The world is frought with hazard, given all the multi-tasking that goes on today.

ONE CAVEAT: DMSO (with the exception of the incredibly rare "odorless" variety PA once sold), stinks to high heaven. Accordingly, I spill at least 2-3 oz. of D-Limonene (constituent of orange/citrus peel) into the diabolical mix. It's an excellent PE enhancer, and has a pleasant citrus likesmell.

Mistakes happen, so be on the lookout for them. Hope that helps... :)


we still have many gallons of the odor free dmso here. i dunno how odor free it still is though
 
i' m gonna start selling transdermal cholesterol as a otc replacement for test base. there should be good conversion but it must be applied to the scrotum. it's called PLACEBODROL made from 100% non-organic animal fat. please contact me if u need any. bulk orders available

just wrap your nuts in bacon.
 
we still have many gallons of the odor free dmso here. i dunno how odor free it still is though
in for some of that, That was from Skulpt right? I had good results from that whatever happened to it?
 
we still have many gallons of the odor free dmso here. i dunno how odor free it still is though

Yeah, you sold me some! It's not QUITE what I'd call odor free - but it's one HELL of a lot better, than the other stuff that's out there. I'd imagine a fresh batch, would be darn close...
 
lol-only result i got from skulpt was stained clothes. skulpt was a dud, imho.
yeah I got the yellow clothes too only if you didn't let it dry enough. It was good for getting rid of the last vestiges of my love handles it was a tuner not a make over, you had to be eating under maintenance, it just targeted the stubborn hard spots
 
yeah I got the yellow clothes too only if you didn't let it dry enough. It was good for getting rid of the last vestiges of my love handles it was a tuner not a make over, you had to be eating under maintenance, it just targeted the stubborn hard spots


6oxo and 6oxo extreme were big favorites of mine, and having used 6oxo bulk in a topical solution i was very disappointed in skulpt. only thing i can think of is the 6oxo was very underdosed?
 
truthornothin said:
I'm thinkin' in Japan, Probably not

None in japan? Sigh..
6oxo I hear was some good stuff. Donno the correct or effective dose though.

6bromo was good. But I mistakenly used that in pct....
 
None in japan? Sigh..
6oxo I hear was some good stuff. Donno the correct or effective dose though.

6bromo was good. But I mistakenly used that in pct....
Yeah 6 oxo was outstanding. Back when I was running PH's it was always in the stack and I even used it as a stand alone test booster, it was a little hard on the hairline.....of course now that is of no concern to me. lol
 
truthornothin said:
Yeah 6 oxo was outstanding. Back when I was running PH's it was always in the stack and I even used it as a stand alone test booster, it was a little hard on the hairline.....of course now that is of no concern to me. lol

Bald is beautiful. :)
 
Bald is beautiful. :)
Actually once I did it, I liked it so much I couldn't figure why I hung on to my hair for so long. Bald is beautiful..... if you have the noggin for it, I saw this dude the other day..... He should have kept his hair.... big divot oof :)
 
truthornothin said:
Actually once I did it, I liked it so much I couldn't figure why I hung on to my hair for so long. Bald is beautiful..... if you have the noggin for it, I saw this dude the other day..... He should have kept his hair.... big divot oof :)

Hahaha.
My wife told me I couldn't shave my head. But then I told her I'd save money cause I wouldnt need to go get my hair cut she said fine. Then when I did it she said I should've done it sooner... Lol.
Plus in judo everyone says I look meaner and stronger. Haha.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
we still have many gallons of the odor free dmso here. i dunno how odor free it still is though

Holy cow.... I just read about your odor free dmso last week....

If its still good lmk... I'd like to pick some up from you if possible!
 
hey pa, what do you think of adding a little rogaine to topical solutions? i was told this will enhance absorbtion?
 
From Rogaine:
[h=2]About VersaFoam Technology[/h] As a leader in novel topical delivery systems, Connetics owns worldwide rights to a number of unique topical delivery systems and has branded its proprietary foam drug delivery vehicle, VersaFoam. This unique, versatile topical drug delivery vehicle quickly absorbs into the skin when applied and has versatility for application on multiple body sites.
The formulation is thermolabile, which melts at skin temperature and evaporates quickly. In addition, it is easy to apply, non-dripping, stain-free and leaves minimal to no residue. It is also preservative-free. The VersaFoam system has important cosmetic and functional benefits compared with conventional delivery vehicles including creams, ointments, gels and lotions. Connetics' VersaFoam-based products are OLUX for scalp dermatoses and non-scalp psoriasis, Luxiq Foam for scalp dermatoses and Evoclin Foam for the treatment of acne.
These formulations have earned wide acceptance by physicians and patients due to their clinical effectiveness, high quality and cosmetic elegance.
 
From Rogaine:
About VersaFoam Technology

As a leader in novel topical delivery systems, Connetics owns worldwide rights to a number of unique topical delivery systems and has branded its proprietary foam drug delivery vehicle, VersaFoam. This unique, versatile topical drug delivery vehicle quickly absorbs into the skin when applied and has versatility for application on multiple body sites.
The formulation is thermolabile, which melts at skin temperature and evaporates quickly. In addition, it is easy to apply, non-dripping, stain-free and leaves minimal to no residue. It is also preservative-free. The VersaFoam system has important cosmetic and functional benefits compared with conventional delivery vehicles including creams, ointments, gels and lotions. Connetics' VersaFoam-based products are OLUX for scalp dermatoses and non-scalp psoriasis, Luxiq Foam for scalp dermatoses and Evoclin Foam for the treatment of acne.
These formulations have earned wide acceptance by physicians and patients due to their clinical effectiveness, high quality and cosmetic elegance.

nice post....
 
From Rogaine:
About VersaFoam Technology

As a leader in novel topical delivery systems, Connetics owns worldwide rights to a number of unique topical delivery systems and has branded its proprietary foam drug delivery vehicle, VersaFoam. This unique, versatile topical drug delivery vehicle quickly absorbs into the skin when applied and has versatility for application on multiple body sites.
The formulation is thermolabile, which melts at skin temperature and evaporates quickly. In addition, it is easy to apply, non-dripping, stain-free and leaves minimal to no residue. It is also preservative-free. The VersaFoam system has important cosmetic and functional benefits compared with conventional delivery vehicles including creams, ointments, gels and lotions. Connetics' VersaFoam-based products are OLUX for scalp dermatoses and non-scalp psoriasis, Luxiq Foam for scalp dermatoses and Evoclin Foam for the treatment of acne.
These formulations have earned wide acceptance by physicians and patients due to their clinical effectiveness, high quality and cosmetic elegance.

sounds like a nifty and convenient topical base but I am not so sure how convenient it would be for a topical that you want to get over as much skin as possible. that would be alot of rubbing. Spraying would be quicker
 
sounds like a nifty and convenient topical base but I am not so sure how convenient it would be for a topical that you want to get over as much skin as possible. that would be alot of rubbing. Spraying would be quicker


a capful added to a systematic td solution should be enough to enhance absorbtion by a considerable margin.....not really that large of an area needs to be covered. even if you were adding to a local solution, you wouldn't be increasing the amount of rubbibg by adding the rogaine.


but if you were to create a spray incorporating some rogaine who knows, lol.
 
From Rogaine:
About VersaFoam Technology

As a leader in novel topical delivery systems, Connetics owns worldwide rights to a number of unique topical delivery systems and has branded its proprietary foam drug delivery vehicle, VersaFoam. This unique, versatile topical drug delivery vehicle quickly absorbs into the skin when applied and has versatility for application on multiple body sites.
The formulation is thermolabile, which melts at skin temperature and evaporates quickly. In addition, it is easy to apply, non-dripping, stain-free and leaves minimal to no residue. It is also preservative-free. The VersaFoam system has important cosmetic and functional benefits compared with conventional delivery vehicles including creams, ointments, gels and lotions. Connetics' VersaFoam-based products are OLUX for scalp dermatoses and non-scalp psoriasis, Luxiq Foam for scalp dermatoses and Evoclin Foam for the treatment of acne.
These formulations have earned wide acceptance by physicians and patients due to their clinical effectiveness, high quality and cosmetic elegance.

Great info :goodpost:
 
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