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Tomatidine (potent natural anabolic?)

I'm wondering if my response to the AL products is due to the combo of both Titan AND HH6. The couple of responses on these boards after a month of Titan only seems not positive.

As many noted, the dosage of tomatidine in Titan is really really low. The ursolic acid content in daily serving of HH6 is roughly what studies have indicated is the "right amount" and the addition of the tomatidine to that might be something synergistic. I really messed this experiment up....I should have only done one product at a time and then the combo. It really might just be the HH6 that is giving me this kick and the Titan isn't really doing anything.

Impressively, I am still enjoying some continued positive effects from the combo though. However, either I am getting used to it (and desensitized to the initial hardness, strength response) or I'm plateauing with the current dosages. As Mixelflix noted, I'm using the bottle recommendations and no more. As indicated, I won't increase the dosage until I've done my 3 month run. This is month 2.

This stuff is expensive though, so if (when) I go on the "next phase" experiment, I will be doubling the dosage only. And since I started on the combo, I will continue to use the Titan + HH6 combo (doubling both dosages) for another 3 months. After that, I think my bank account will need a much needed rest.
 
I'm wondering if my response to the AL products is due to the combo of both Titan AND HH6. The couple of responses on these boards after a month of Titan only seems not positive.

As many noted, the dosage of tomatidine in Titan is really really low. The ursolic acid content in daily serving of HH6 is roughly what studies have indicated is the "right amount" and the addition of the tomatidine to that might be something synergistic. I really messed this experiment up....I should have only done one product at a time and then the combo. It really might just be the HH6 that is giving me this kick and the Titan isn't really doing anything.

Impressively, I am still enjoying some continued positive effects from the combo though. However, either I am getting used to it (and desensitized to the initial hardness, strength response) or I'm plateauing with the current dosages. As Mixelflix noted, I'm using the bottle recommendations and no more. As indicated, I won't increase the dosage until I've done my 3 month run. This is month 2.

This stuff is expensive though, so if (when) I go on the "next phase" experiment, I will be doubling the dosage only. And since I started on the combo, I will continue to use the Titan + HH6 combo (doubling both dosages) for another 3 months. After that, I think my bank account will need a much needed rest.

im sure you mentioned it, but bro its late and im too dam tired to flip threw these posts-

how long have you been on this?

i sometimes have the same issue with some supps- hit a peak and done. I know for a fact (this is my body I am referring too) that if a supplement starts working pretty good, better than average within the first few weeks; like comes on strong, i know the run will be short lived because my body just adapts.

Nos ether by get diesel - worked great for a month and even taking breaks its not the same anymore. I am not a stim junkie by any means and no idea why. I never double dosed, never took it twice a day. PES high volume, same thing. Oddly enough, mono pump and OL hydro, i can take those 4-5 times a week and get the same pump every time.

i know i derailed this thread and apologize but if thats the case with your run, which i hope it isnt, hang in there
 
I'm wondering if my response to the AL products is due to the combo of both Titan AND HH6. The couple of responses on these boards after a month of Titan only seems not positive.

According to (yes, I know, but it's all we have, LOL) a log on here for PA's 'Ur Spray' - the guy truthornothin saw effects within 1-2 weeks, as did BigGame84. Now that's TD Ursolic Acid, so could be Apples (get it? :D) to Socket Wrenches (or tomatoes... I slay me) comparing to Tomatidine for all I know. The HH6 has Ursolic Acid in a Cyclodextrin at 500mg for a daily recommended dose (no idea if the 125mg is just UA, or includes the CD?) The Ur Spray supplies 249mg per 50 sprays x2 recommended - so ~500mg as well. So it's possible that the Tomatidine was confounded by the co-ingestion of the HH6, and it was the HH6 that did the heavy lifting.
 
According to (yes, I know, but it's all we have, LOL) a log on here for PA's 'Ur Spray' - the guy truthornothin saw effects within 1-2 weeks, as did BigGame84. Now that's TD Ursolic Acid, so could be Apples (get it? :D) to Socket Wrenches (or tomatoes... I slay me) comparing to Tomatidine for all I know. The HH6 has Ursolic Acid in a Cyclodextrin at 500mg for a daily recommended dose (no idea if the 125mg is just UA, or includes the CD?) The Ur Spray supplies 249mg per 50 sprays x2 recommended - so ~500mg as well. So it's possible that the Tomatidine was confounded by the co-ingestion of the HH6, and it was the HH6 that did the heavy lifting.

I liked that log.

Probably a powerful stack of Tomatidine (Titan) + HH6 + TD Ursolic Acid for say 12 wks, just to be safe and run it long enough, would be a fun log to follow.. now who can afford to run such a stack ?
 
Any comments to share ? (or did you post someplace else)

I am running HH6/Titan stack (6th week into it) and honestly i am very impressed. My strength and size has increased. I have not changed diet or anything. The funny thing is, 1 month ago my testosterone level was just 7.

I have tried many and I mean MANY supplements in my life (even high dosed) and there are just few products that have helped my size and strength. This stack is definitely one of those few products!
 
I am running HH6/Titan stack (6th week into it) and honestly i am very impressed. My strength and size has increased. I have not changed diet or anything. The funny thing is, 1 month ago my testosterone level was just 7.

I have tried many and I mean MANY supplements in my life (even high dosed) and there are just few products that have helped my size and strength. This stack is definitely one of those few products!

Do you feel like they are working equal or do you feel like the HH6 is doing the majority of the work?
 
Do you feel like they are working equal or do you feel like the HH6 is doing the majority of the work?

Honestly, I dont know which one does the work. But I do believe its the combo for sure.
Does it work so good because my low T levels ? I am not sure. But one thing is for sure, I will definitely buy more of this !!
 
Honestly, I dont know which one does the work. But I do believe its the combo for sure.
Does it work so good because my low T levels ? I am not sure. But one thing is for sure, I will definitely buy more of this !!

Will HH6+titan imrpvoe t lvls? And will you have them checked again after your done running them?;)
Also do you feel this stack is as powerfull as Ara+PA?
 
I am running HH6/Titan stack (6th week into it) and honestly i am very impressed. My strength and size has increased. I have not changed diet or anything. The funny thing is, 1 month ago my testosterone level was just 7.

I have tried many and I mean MANY supplements in my life (even high dosed) and there are just few products that have helped my size and strength. This stack is definitely one of those few products!
Curious: what are the other supps that you really noticed effects?
 
Curious: what are the other supps that you really noticed effects?

ArA (2.5g) daily for 60 days. Amazing pump, musclefullness,size and strength.
PA (3+g) weightgain without changing diet ++.
HMB FA (6g daily). I could train more frequent without feeling "burnt out" and I could train harder / longer. That gave me more gains.
 
Will HH6+titan imrpvoe t lvls? And will you have them checked again after your done running them?;)
Also do you feel this stack is as powerfull as Ara+PA?

Shilajit found in Titan may increase T levels but nothing that much which would lead to more size/strength.
ArA+PA at high dose was definitely good stuff but I feel this is even better
 
Shilajit found in Titan may increase T levels but nothing that much which would lead to more size/strength.
ArA+PA at high dose was definitely good stuff but I feel this is even better
Or you can typical uncle Danes fashion and use hh6/Titan/ArA/PA/HMBFA and ecdys if he feels like it ;)
 
ArA (2.5g) daily for 60 days. Amazing pump, musclefullness,size and strength.
PA (3+g) weightgain without changing diet ++.
HMB FA (6g daily). I could train more frequent without feeling "burnt out" and I could train harder / longer. That gave me more gains.
Nice list!!! But no Ecdy?
 
Nice list!!! But no Ecdy?

Yes, Good source at high dose = I like!
But it is not even worth mentioning due to sick high price

One thing is the changes I see in the mirror but it really does something when I feel clotches are tighter (even my winter jackets. Shoulders,arms,chest) and when my friends and GF say I look bigger and more swolen. I havent changed diet nor workout routine.

Is this stack worth the money?
For me, who have been suffering of Severe obstructive sleep apnea many years (even when I was skinny) and always struggled to be stronger , This is really worth it. I have never had problem building the size. (Even with horrible sleep quality and low Testosterone level) but I cant say same abouth the strength.

I will definitely buy this again and I would like to try 500mg Tomatidine with absorption/bioavailability support.
 
Yes, Good source at high dose = I like!
But it is not even worth mentioning due to sick high price

One thing is the changes I see in the mirror but it really does something when I feel clotches are tighter (even my winter jackets. Shoulders,arms,chest) and when my friends and GF say I look bigger and more swolen. I havent changed diet nor workout routine.

Is this stack worth the money?
For me, who have been suffering of Severe obstructive sleep apnea many years (even when I was skinny) and always struggled to be stronger , This is really worth it. I have never had problem building the size. (Even with horrible sleep quality and low Testosterone level) but I cant say same abouth the strength.

I will definitely buy this again and I would like to try 500mg Tomatidine with absorption/bioavailability support.

beast approval right there-

struggled to be stronger my azz- please your big enough, no more gains for you
 
I am running HH6/Titan stack (6th week into it) and honestly i am very impressed. My strength and size has increased. I have not changed diet or anything. The funny thing is, 1 month ago my testosterone level was just 7.

I have tried many and I mean MANY supplements in my life (even high dosed) and there are just few products that have helped my size and strength. This stack is definitely one of those few products!

what are the others that have helped with size and strength?
 
what are the others that have helped with size and strength?

ArA (2.5g) daily for 60 days. Amazing pump, musclefullness,size and strength.
PA (3+g) weightgain without changing diet ++.
HMB FA (6g daily). I could train more frequent without feeling "burnt out" and I could train harder / longer. That gave me more gains.

Solid dose of ecdysteroids from a good source was also potent but it was very expencive. To expencive!
 
ArA (2.5g) daily for 60 days. Amazing pump, musclefullness,size and strength.
PA (3+g) weightgain without changing diet ++.
HMB FA (6g daily). I could train more frequent without feeling "burnt out" and I could train harder / longer. That gave me more gains.

Solid dose of ecdysteroids from a good source was also potent but it was very expencive. To expencive!

I think there are several company's that are experimenting with ecdy's, but that is no guarantee it will lower cost....PA is probably the 'best bang for the buck as it is relatively inexpensive, imo. I've never gave HMB a serious go, so I don't know how the cost lines up with the gains.
 
ArA (2.5g) daily for 60 days. Amazing pump, musclefullness,size and strength.
PA (3+g) weightgain without changing diet ++.
HMB FA (6g daily). I could train more frequent without feeling "burnt out" and I could train harder / longer. That gave me more gains.

Solid dose of ecdysteroids from a good source was also potent but it was very expencive. To expencive!

d- hmb FA- i currently use 6 g of hmb with 15 g of l leucine - i split it into 3 during the day- some days i dont take the bcaa's and i know some of this is a waste but this is working for me- 2 g of hmb and 5 of l 3 times a day
hmb FA compared to HMB- using MST hmb currently, school me please
 

i once believed in this product but after using it again and reading more reports, its not worth it. doesnt work- imho just an overrated product and i promoted this before, but before reading more into it
 
i once believed in this product but after using it again and reading more reports, its not worth it. doesnt work- imho just an overrated product and i promoted this before, but before reading more into it
Thanks for the heads up
 
I think there are several company's that are experimenting with ecdy's, but that is no guarantee it will lower cost....PA is probably the 'best bang for the buck as it is relatively inexpensive, imo. I've never gave HMB a serious go, so I don't know how the cost lines up with the gains.

For me, HMB FA is worth the money. There is no chance I can train so frequent and so much volume without it !
 
d- hmb FA- i currently use 6 g of hmb with 15 g of l leucine - i split it into 3 during the day- some days i dont take the bcaa's and i know some of this is a waste but this is working for me- 2 g of hmb and 5 of l 3 times a day
hmb FA compared to HMB- using MST hmb currently, school me please

HMB / HMB FA is definitely worth using !
 
HMB / HMB FA is definitely worth using !

hmm,

wondering about switching to the free acid of HMB- correct me if I am wrong as I haven't gone back to this in some time, but hmb is structure in calcium which will cause a delay in the breakdown or harder for the body to break it down.

might try something like using the FA pre and during/or after and use hmb at night before going to bed. again, I know the body can only absorb as much and will not store this, but your thoughts on this?
 
hmm,

wondering about switching to the free acid of HMB- correct me if I am wrong as I haven't gone back to this in some time, but hmb is structure in calcium which will cause a delay in the breakdown or harder for the body to break it down.

might try something like using the FA pre and during/or after and use hmb at night before going to bed. again, I know the body can only absorb as much and will not store this, but your thoughts on this?

I would definitely do that way!
I do prefer FA due to faster absorption./uptake.

Its huge difference while on and off HMB FA. :)
 
I would definitely do that way!
I do prefer FA due to faster absorption./uptake.

Its huge difference while on and off HMB FA. :)

Can you calculate what the monthly cost (In US Dollars) is, for your ArA, HH6, Titan, and HMB-FA stack... at the dosages you are using? :D

You ever think about dropping the Titan for a month, and recording the results? Then bring it back but drop the HH6 and record the results?
 
Can you calculate what the monthly cost (In US Dollars) is, for your ArA, HH6, Titan, and HMB-FA stack... at the dosages you are using? :D

You ever think about dropping the Titan for a month, and recording the results? Then bring it back but drop the HH6 and record the results?

Supplement prices in US is heaven!
One clear Muscle bottle here is more than 100$ :)
But I know what you mean..I could buy pharma GH for that price :D

I am finishing this stack about couple of weeks and then run just HH6. After that, I am going to do experiment.
500mg Tomatidine complexed with Shilajit daily. :)
 
Yes, Good source at high dose = I like!
But it is not even worth mentioning due to sick high price

One thing is the changes I see in the mirror but it really does something when I feel clotches are tighter (even my winter jackets. Shoulders,arms,chest) and when my friends and GF say I look bigger and more swolen. I havent changed diet nor workout routine.

Is this stack worth the money?
For me, who have been suffering of Severe obstructive sleep apnea many years (even when I was skinny) and always struggled to be stronger , This is really worth it. I have never had problem building the size. (Even with horrible sleep quality and low Testosterone level) but I cant say same abouth the strength.

I will definitely buy this again and I would like to try 500mg Tomatidine with absorption/bioavailability support.
With such sleep problem, maybe Or1gin could be a good option. I did read that you didn't notice much of it. Me neither... at regular dose. Double dosing was another story. In 8th day a noticed that I could sleep 1h less, even 2, and feel completely refreshed. As you weight much more than I (Im only 85kg), maybe you'd had to triple dose to feel the same.
Dont know if it is worthy, just sharing as my list of really effective supps is basically like yours.
 
With such sleep problem, maybe Or1gin could be a good option. I did read that you didn't notice much of it. Me neither... at regular dose. Double dosing was another story. In 8th day a noticed that I could sleep 1h less, even 2, and feel completely refreshed. As you weight much more than I (Im only 85kg), maybe you'd had to triple dose to feel the same.
Dont know if it is worthy, just sharing as my list of really effective supps is basically like yours.

I have more bottles of Or1gin and it would be worth double dosing it just to see if it works any better:)
 
I just started my second bottle of Titan. Nothing significant to note thus far.

Really sorry to hear that.
I am running them both so I cant say for sure which one is working. But I swear this is very and I mean VERY good stuff. I am amazed of the strength gains. (Even bad sleep quality and low T levels)
 
No worries. Everyone responds differently. I have another bottle of Titan. Might run that concurrently with hh6. That would give me 7 weeks of Titan to run with two bottles hh6.
 
No worries. Everyone responds differently. I have another bottle of Titan. Might run that concurrently with hh6. That would give me 7 weeks of Titan to run with two bottles hh6.

I hope that stack will treat you as good as it treats me. :)

I will do an experiment running 500mg Tomatidine bonded to lower dose of Shilajit just to see if it does work any better.

After that experiment, I will try to run 10 caps of HH6.
 
I hope that stack will treat you as good as it treats me. :)

I will do an experiment running 500mg Tomatidine bonded to lower dose of Shilajit just to see if it does work any better.

After that experiment, I will try to run 10 caps of HH6.
Looking forward to hearing your results. Glad you're having a good run with them so far
 
Has anyone used or heard of Ursolodine? A combo of ursolic acid and tomatodine. Looks to be dosed well but unsure of the delivery process.
 
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