To Infinity.... and Beyond!

DB Bench
3 x 15 x 50s
10 x 70s, 80s, 90s
12 x 70s

SS with DB curls
3 sets

Incline bench
3 x 10

Tri cable pull downs
3 x 10-15

SS with lateral shoulder raises
3 x 10-12
+ dropset x 12reps

Ez bar curls
3 x 10-13

SS with forward raises
3 x 10

LISS
20 min






Notes
We've had some medical issues pop up in the family that are demanding some time and energy, so I'm embracing this changing of gears right now in the gym with a more "maintain" while cutting type approach for now. Definitely won't be holding my strength, but holding onto mass just fine and working a little on mobility and conditioning.

I did bring dermacrine back in one or two weeks ago at a half dose to see what happens in a slight caloric deficit. Results were predicable but at least now I know. Massive water retention, immediately bloated 3-5lbs and both nipples started itching lol. Two days with no dermacrine and only alpha gel, itch is gone and weight this morning is back down to 196.

(Spiked to 201 after dropping to about 192-193 the week prior)
 
Good plan but sucks about the Dermacrine.
 
DB Bench
3 x 15 x 50s
10 x 70s, 80s, 90s
12 x 70s

SS with DB curls
3 sets

Incline bench
3 x 10

Tri cable pull downs
3 x 10-15

SS with lateral shoulder raises
3 x 10-12
+ dropset x 12reps

Ez bar curls
3 x 10-13

SS with forward raises
3 x 10

LISS
20 min






Notes
We've had some medical issues pop up in the family that are demanding some time and energy, so I'm embracing this changing of gears right now in the gym with a more "maintain" while cutting type approach for now. Definitely won't be holding my strength, but holding onto mass just fine and working a little on mobility and conditioning.

I did bring dermacrine back in one or two weeks ago at a half dose to see what happens in a slight caloric deficit. Results were predicable but at least now I know. Massive water retention, immediately bloated 3-5lbs and both nipples started itching lol. Two days with no dermacrine and only alpha gel, itch is gone and weight this morning is back down to 196.

(Spiked to 201 after dropping to about 192-193 the week prior)
What was the rir on your db press?
 
Good plan but sucks about the Dermacrine.

yeah it's good to know. I always had thought I'd reintroduce it when I felt like I was starting to lean back out and in a deficit to see if I responded differently to it. but nope, lol. I am going to give the epi another try maybe later this month as well because as far as I can tell aside from some hair shedding, that one was pretty dynamite for me. I want to give the xpg TD a try though vs caps.

What was the rir on your db press?

I don't track RIR but probably 2 ish. Maybe more. I went in early and without PreWO to get a session in that was intended to be heavier than a deload but also I was prepared for it to not be ground breaking, ended up being a pretty decent session with a good pump.
 
For sure, I will be curious to hear your impression of the XPG version.
 
For sure, I will be curious to hear your impression of the XPG version.

For sure. now that I am thinking back, my BP had increased in June and I am thinking that is something I will watch with an EPI run. I may try to keep it shorter but more intense vs what I did this spring, where I started with half doses, worked my way up, but also stayed on it for about twice as long as I had intended. Might be better just to run a full dose for a shorter period of time...
 
For sure. now that I am thinking back, my BP had increased in June and I am thinking that is something I will watch with an EPI run. I may try to keep it shorter but more intense vs what I did this spring, where I started with half doses, worked my way up, but also stayed on it for about twice as long as I had intended. Might be better just to run a full dose for a shorter period of time...
I think if you are going to test it you should run the full dose daily. Sure it can be used pre-workout with great success but with your issue with your nipples you might find that the oscillation of having high DHT then normal, then high, then normal might be a part of why you are getting issues. That more stable levels might correct the issue. Also for BP just buy some carditone for the month you are using it. It will drop BP pretty decently so it won't be much of an issue at all.
 
I think if you are going to test it you should run the full dose daily. Sure it can be used pre-workout with great success but with your issue with your nipples you might find that the oscillation of having high DHT then normal, then high, then normal might be a part of why you are getting issues. That more stable levels might correct the issue. Also for BP just buy some carditone for the month you are using it. It will drop BP pretty decently so it won't be much of an issue at all.
That being said the best way would be to run 8 weeks of this.
 
Also for BP just buy some carditone for the month you are using it. It will drop BP pretty decently so it won't be much of an issue at all.
That being said the best way would be to run 8 weeks of this.

You're probably right. I learned a lot this year and more or less dabbled from Feb - June. that's a long run with a little break in the middle. an 8 week consistent would be much more reasonable. We have vacation mid Feb. I could start a cycle then around Dec 15th if I wanted to try to run it straight into vacation.
 
You're probably right. I learned a lot this year and more or less dabbled from Feb - June. that's a long run with a little break in the middle. an 8 week consistent would be much more reasonable. We have vacation mid Feb. I could start a cycle then around Dec 15th if I wanted to try to run it straight into vacation.
Also I know @sns8778 said he had a BP supplement on the way. Not sure of a release date or if it may have already been dropped and I missed it. However I am sure it will be at least as good if not better than carditone.
 
Also I know @sns8778 said he had a BP supplement on the way. Not sure of a release date or if it may have already been dropped and I missed it. However I am sure it will be at least as good if not better than carditone.

We've had a blood pressure supplement for a long time. I think you may be getting it confused with Cholesterol Support XT, which is the one that will be coming up. But we had Blood Pressure Support XT out before Cardiovascular Support XT.

The formula is much better and much more clinically sound than Carditone, and doesn't contain any proprietary blends.

Blood Pressure Support XT is a great and comprehensive blood pressure support product that contains multiple ingredients that have great clinical studies on them, and the real world feedback has been great on it.

Here's a link to the product write up:

https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/blood-pressure-support-xt-120-veg-caps/
 
We've had a blood pressure supplement for a long time. I think you may be getting it confused with Cholesterol Support XT, which is the one that will be coming up. But we had Blood Pressure Support XT out before Cardiovascular Support XT.

The formula is much better and much more clinically sound than Carditone, and doesn't contain any proprietary blends.

Blood Pressure Support XT is a great and comprehensive blood pressure support product that contains multiple ingredients that have great clinical studies on them, and the real world feedback has been great on it.

Here's a link to the product write up:

https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/blood-pressure-support-xt-120-veg-caps/
That's right, it was the Cholesterol Support XT I was thinking about that was soon to be released. I remember us talking about them both at the same time and must have gotten them confused. I am currently using Telmisartan @40mg a day so I haven't bought any more BP supps while this is doing the trick. However, if your BP stuff is better than Carditone which wouldn't surprise me then it is a damn good product because I was impressed with Carditone when I used it.

About how many points are you seeing BP drop with the BP Support XT?
 
That's right, it was the Cholesterol Support XT I was thinking about that was soon to be released. I remember us talking about them both at the same time and must have gotten them confused. I am currently using Telmisartan @40mg a day so I haven't bought any more BP supps while this is doing the trick. However, if your BP stuff is better than Carditone which wouldn't surprise me then it is a damn good product because I was impressed with Carditone when I used it.

About how many points are you seeing BP drop with the BP Support XT?

That is going to vary by the individual, but I will say that when formulating it, my concern wasn't it not working, my concern was on it being too strong for some people. It's potent enough that some people find that they only need to use half the daily dose.

When you look at the drop in bp with anything, its important to not just look at how quickly numbers drop, but to also look at if they stay down. And also many ingredients have a cumulative effect in where best results will be seen over the course of weeks to months of use.

Blood Pressure Support XT is designed to help support healthy blood pressure levels and most people see results very quickly and also see a cumulative effect and results continue to get better.

It's helped my blood pressure pretty dramatically on my end. My levels are the best and most consistent they've been in over 20 years.
 
That is going to vary by the individual, but I will say that when formulating it, my concern wasn't it not working, my concern was on it being too strong for some people. It's potent enough that some people find that they only need to use half the daily dose.

When you look at the drop in bp with anything, its important to not just look at how quickly numbers drop, but to also look at if they stay down. And also many ingredients have a cumulative effect in where best results will be seen over the course of weeks to months of use.

Blood Pressure Support XT is designed to help support healthy blood pressure levels and most people see results very quickly and also see a cumulative effect and results continue to get better.

It's helped my blood pressure pretty dramatically on my end. My levels are the best and most consistent they've been in over 20 years.
Awesome, so do you still use meds and supplement them or are you only using the BP Support XT now?
 
Awesome, so do you still use meds and supplement them or are you only using the BP Support XT now?

You've probably seen me mention over the years that I have a genetic heart condition; there is a medicine that I have to use for that that does help with BP somewhat. I have to use it though bc part of the condition I have is that my body struggles to properly put oxygen into the bloodstream.

In addition to that, I was on a BP medication at one time that I'm not longer on. My blood pressure runs consistently better on Blood Pressure Support XT.

That's just my personal experience. I never would tell anyone to come off of a medication without discussing it with their doctor because most bp meds need to be weened down, not just stopped.
 
Yep, that all sounds promising! @Dustin07 now you know which way to go for your BP support!
 
Deads
10 x 135
2 x 5 x 225
5 x 275, 325

RDLs
3 x 6 x 225

BB rows
3 x 10 x 135

Incline seated DB curls
4 x 12-15

Hammer curls
3 x 10 x 40s

T-bar rows
4 x 10-12

SS with EZ bar curls
4 x 10-12

LISS
15 Min




Notes
Didn't have my belt today so kept it light.
Testing IF 8pm till noon / preWO.
 
yeah it's good to know. I always had thought I'd reintroduce it when I felt like I was starting to lean back out and in a deficit to see if I responded differently to it. but nope, lol. I am going to give the epi another try maybe later this month as well because as far as I can tell aside from some hair shedding, that one was pretty dynamite for me. I want to give the xpg TD a try though vs caps.



I don't track RIR but probably 2 ish. Maybe more. I went in early and without PreWO to get a session in that was intended to be heavier than a deload but also I was prepared for it to not be ground breaking, ended up being a pretty decent session with a good pump.
Man I feel like we're really neck and neck and some things... other things you got me beat by a mile though lol
 
Bench
2 x 10 x 135
2 x 175, 205, 225

Slingshot
1 x 255, 275, 295, 305, 315

Raw
8 x 225
20 x 135 (wider grip, suicide)

CGBP
3 x 8 x 185

Tricep rope extensions
3 x 15

Hammer strength flies
3 sets to failure




Notes

Shocked I came back to 315 after a month of damage.

Had a nice chat with my wife last night. She brought out this little model barbell with a carefully hand picked 500lbs that she had bought me when I hit my 500lb rack pull but she was waiting until I pulled it from the ground to give me.

Since we have been dealing with some health issues in the family, plus my caloric deficits, added cardio etc things have been hard and I confessed to her I was feeling lost in my "fitness" journey after a solid year of laser beam focus.

Long story short, the diet is off. I'm back to my strength focus.

500lb pull still the goal
315 is the new 300 on bench.
210 is the new 200 on my personal weight cap.


Ironically got changed in the gym today pre workout and my abs were popping beautifully at 194 so long fellas.


Ordered two bottles of XPG epiandro from Steve and a bottle of PXT to kick it off right ..



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Bench
2 x 10 x 135
2 x 175, 205, 225

Slingshot
1 x 255, 275, 295, 305, 315

Raw
8 x 225
20 x 135 (wider grip, suicide)

CGBP
3 x 8 x 185

Tricep rope extensions
3 x 15

Hammer strength flies
3 sets to failure




Notes

Shocked I came back to 315 after a month of damage.

Had a nice chat with my wife last night. She brought out this little model barbell with a carefully hand picked 500lbs that she had bought me when I hit my 500lb rack pull but she was waiting until I pulled it from the ground to give me.

Since we have been dealing with some health issues in the family, plus my caloric deficits, added cardio etc things have been hard and I confessed to her I was feeling lost in my "fitness" journey after a solid year of laser beam focus.

Long story short, the diet is off. I'm back to my strength focus.

500lb pull still the goal
315 is the new 300 on bench.
210 is the new 200 on my personal weight cap.


Ironically got changed in the gym today pre workout and my abs were popping beautifully at 194 so long fellas.


Ordered two bottles of XPG epiandro from Steve and a bottle of PXT to kick it off right ..



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Building is definitely more fun then cutting!
 
Building is definitely more fun then cutting!

It is. My size must be showing because I had a couple more comments the past few days and finally my wife even said it. We were at an appt and someone asked who I was, I said I'm her husband. she said oh I figured you were the bodyguard 😅
after a dozen comments about that stuff, my wife started making the same comments and made it clear that she likes the extra 12lbs I'm currently carrying. I really wanted to get leaned up for our beach trip next Feb but if she likes what she sees then, to the moon. She's generally the only one who "has" to see me with my shirt off 😅😅
 
Yeah Man 194 with abs is nothing to sneeze at. I always enjoy the little odd compliments or comments like that from people. Sometimes they are so cheezy about it too but I just see it as them trying to compliment me without directly doing it.
 
However whatever compliments the wife followed it up with was 1000X more valuable to you if you are anything like me!
 
Yeah Man 194 with abs is nothing to sneeze at. I always enjoy the little odd compliments or comments like that from people. Sometimes they are so cheezy about it too but I just see it as them trying to compliment me without directly doing it.

haha yeah, we take the puppy to a dog trainer every friday (he trains us as much as the dog) and he is always saying something about being barrel chested etc. last week he was talking about someone and he goes "oh man this guy was huge, he was built like an ox, like you actually!" lol I about died 😅😅

However whatever compliments the wife followed it up with was 1000X more valuable to you if you are anything like me!

See then my wife started mentioning the things all these other people were saying this week, I just about lost it knowing she saw me like that. lit a fire in my belly. when everyone else says it I am nearly embarrassed half the time, but when she says it, it's like I won the lotto.

it really got me in the feels hearing my wife say those things
 
haha yeah, we take the puppy to a dog trainer every friday (he trains us as much as the dog) and he is always saying something about being barrel chested etc. last week he was talking about someone and he goes "oh man this guy was huge, he was built like an ox, like you actually!" lol I about died 😅😅



See then my wife started mentioning the things all these other people were saying this week, I just about lost it knowing she saw me like that. lit a fire in my belly. when everyone else says it I am nearly embarrassed half the time, but when she says it, it's like I won the lotto.

it really got me in the feels hearing my wife say those things
She is probably a very smart woman and saw that you enjoyed that feedback immensely and it would be an easy way for her to let you know how sexy she thinks you are and it have a great effect on you.

However a compliment from my wife is definitely a million times more important to me than one from a stranger or even friend.
 
Sort of glad for you that your changing course and going back to heavy lifting. You were so close to those goals and took so long to get there after long break would almost be like starting the climb all over again. Hit the goals then you can worry about the other stuff.
 
Sort of glad for you that your changing course and going back to heavy lifting. You were so close to those goals and took so long to get there after long break would almost be like starting the climb all over again. Hit the goals then you can worry about the other stuff.

Thank you, me too. It feels a little like a suicide mission after staying lean for so long, to both allow some extra fat and age at the same time lol but it sure is a lot more fun having high energy and being strong.

Maybe I'll work on trying to find a little more balance with occasional cardio and 30hr fasts to keep things in check.
 
Had a nice chat with my wife last night. She brought out this little model barbell with a carefully hand picked 500lbs that she had bought me when I hit my 500lb rack pull but she was waiting until I pulled it from the ground to give me.

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This is the coolest gift ever!

She's generally the only one who "has" to see me with my shirt off

Well, her and all of us of course. We're only here for teh nudez. 
 
This is the coolest gift ever!



Well, her and all of us of course. We're only here for teh nudez. 
And we are still waiting! You know this guy's rule, no publicly posted pics above 8%. ;)
 
Deads
2 x 10 x 135
3 x 225, 275
1 x 315, 365, 385, 405

Rack pulls
3 x 425
1 x 445

2" deficit
EMOTM
10 x 3 x 225

Barbell rows
4 x 10

SS with lat pull downs
4 x 10-12

That's a spicy superset!

Pretty happy with today's test run to see where I am. Definitely had more pull in me.

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My body is beat to holy hell today.
Saturday was a pretty chill day with the wife, up to the boat show to explore (amazing how much they cleaned up Seattle for the all-star game and taylor swift concerts, lol).

Sunday though I took my ball paintballing again to our favorite little outdoor place. they have like a dozen courses, all of them outdoors in the woods with rocks, creeks, trees, structures etc. we played for hours and by the time I got home my legs were killing me from 3hrs of sprints, lunges, and 20 minute squats sitting crouched as 12yr olds buzz my face with a barrage of paint.

Finished the day with a shitload more shoveling, still wrapping up aspects of that plumbing project.

Notes for the experience? I am throwing away my last pair of Reebok nanos. They are pure dogshit shoes, they always were, I always hated them. they had a cultish following and are completely useless garbage pieces of crap with flat soles that absorb every drop of water from the concrete like a sponge. most of my foot and leg pain today is no doubt from those garbage shoes lol.

Ha! Some friends just recently got back from Seattle and said the same thing lol
 
Well, her and all of us of course. We're only here for teh nudez. 

I keep telling her the same thing

And we are still waiting! You know this guy's rule, no publicly posted pics above 8%. ;)

ha every time I think about it I realize I'm in a locker room and the 80 yr old man next to me is hanging brain past his knees.

Ha! Some friends just recently got back from Seattle and said the same thing lol

lol yeah they moved the drugs and tents up the hill a bit. even China town was very nice in the tourist area, but a couple blocks east you could see the row of fentanyl and meth zombies. the problem didn't leave, they just did a better of hiding it....

Nicely done
thanks broski, felt like a good session, good use of calories, and gives me a guideline for where I'm picking up next week.
 
@MrKleen73 so I finally have a legit doc appt for like oct 24th I believe. it's required to become a long term patient there so even though I don't have much of an agenda, I'm going to ask her for a blood panel (again) finally but I think this time it will work. even though my toys are less severe than you guys. I'm thinking of going pure natty and even dropping my current Alpha Gel for 2-3 weeks until I can get those bloods done, then try to get them 4-8 weeks later into a cycle with xpg epiandro, alpha gel, and maybe one other product I'm thinking of stacking. what do you think?

reason I ask is because Steve has the XPG epi coming to me any day now and I have my alpha gel already in stock. it would just require me sitting on it for a couple weeks to get a natty baseline.
 
@MrKleen73 so I finally have a legit doc appt for like oct 24th I believe. it's required to become a long term patient there so even though I don't have much of an agenda, I'm going to ask her for a blood panel (again) finally but I think this time it will work. even though my toys are less severe than you guys. I'm thinking of going pure natty and even dropping my current Alpha Gel for 2-3 weeks until I can get those bloods done, then try to get them 4-8 weeks later into a cycle with xpg epiandro, alpha gel, and maybe one other product I'm thinking of stacking. what do you think?

reason I ask is because Steve has the XPG epi coming to me any day now and I have my alpha gel already in stock. it would just require me sitting on it for a couple weeks to get a natty baseline.

What’s the end goal with the bloodwork? You can get your test levels or whatever checked anytime you like for like $100 with places like Ulta labs, private md labs, marek health.

I mean it’s great if you can get something covered like a checkup from your doctor, but as far as follow up while experimenting you can do that privately if needed.
 
What’s the end goal with the bloodwork? You can get your test levels or whatever checked anytime you like for like $100 with places like Ulta labs, private md labs, marek health.

I mean it’s great if you can get something covered like a checkup from your doctor, but as far as follow up while experimenting you can do that privately if needed.
I am pretty sure this goes back to his nipples getting sensitive on the UltraHard, and me telling him if he really wants to know what is going on estrogen-wise to get blood work while he was actually experiencing the issue. I agree he might want to do the 2nd bout at a private lab if he wants to keep it away from his Dr or insurance.
 
@Hyde @MrKleen73
I'm 41 next week so I'd like a baseline. I haven't seen my doc since 2019 when I had the heart issues pop up so I'm required to have a basic visit to basically begin my "membership" and stay active in their system as they aren't taking new patients and I really like her.

So I was gonna ask for a vasectomy referral, talk about cancer screenings as I'm aging so I understand expectations better and since I finally have a Drs ear I thought a blood panel would be interesting just to see where I am.

It's mostly curiosity but I thought it would be interesting to see also if the mild supplementation I use has any effect.
 
I think my baseline/steady weight right now is 197.
today I have just a hint of doms in the lower back, lats feel flexed and pumpy, but nothing bad, I everything just feels like I had a good session. fantastic week to be back in the saddle. running a 30hr recovery fast today. round of golf, then a pretty low key weekend with my my wife and more fence building for the chicken coop expansion. no lifting until Monday.
 
Sounds like a nice weekend. Enjoy!
 
@Hyde @MrKleen73
I'm 41 next week so I'd like a baseline. I haven't seen my doc since 2019 when I had the heart issues pop up so I'm required to have a basic visit to basically begin my "membership" and stay active in their system as they aren't taking new patients and I really like her.

So I was gonna ask for a vasectomy referral, talk about cancer screenings as I'm aging so I understand expectations better and since I finally have a Drs ear I thought a blood panel would be interesting just to see where I am.

It's mostly curiosity but I thought it would be interesting to see also if the mild supplementation I use has any effect.

All of that makes sense, I just meant as far as follow up bloodwork to do your own testing on how supplements are affecting you, that can always be done privately whenever you need it.
 
Bench
10 x 135

+ redbands
3 x 135, 165, 185
1 x 205, 225

No bands
1 x 255, 265, 275, 285

+ redbands again
EMOTM
3 x 10 x 155
(8 reps on last set)

CGBP
10 x 135, 155
5 x 185, 205

Wide grip
20 x 135

Tri rope pushdowns
3 sets





Notes.
Fridays fast was 36hrs. Weight dropped to 193lbs. This morning 197 holding water so I'm guessing legit weight is between the two.

First true raw heavy day in a while, felt great to hit 285.
 
How did the 285 move?
 
How did the 285 move?

Pretty good, I'm not sure it was worth the risk of a failed rep to try any more than that. I wanted to reach as far as I could today without over reaching. 285 being 95% of my 300lb PR feels like a really good place to kick things off this week.

My plan on bench session 2 this week is to do the opposite. sling shot my way up over 300 again, then a back off 3 x 3 set most likely somewhere in the 260 zone.

then come back at it next week and see if I can make linear progress to 290 and just see what's working and what's not. I'd like to get a little more volume in than I did today, but the 10 x 3 was pretty good.
 
Deads
10 x 135, 185
5 x 235
1 x 285, 335, 365, 395
3 x 415 (2 RIR)
1 x 435

2 x 5 x 315
10 x 315

Lat pull downs
4 sets

Cybex t bar rows, narrow grill
4 sets

Ez bar curls
3 sets

My buddy sorta blew his back out on the 315s so we kinda abbreviated stuff there out.

Awesome pulls tho. I 100% believe deficits are the answer for me
 
Deads
10 x 135, 185
5 x 235
1 x 285, 335, 365, 395
3 x 415 (2 RIR)
1 x 435

2 x 5 x 315
10 x 315

Lat pull downs
4 sets

Cybex t bar rows, narrow grill
4 sets

Ez bar curls
3 sets

My buddy sorta blew his back out on the 315s so we kinda abbreviated stuff there out.

Awesome pulls tho. I 100% believe deficits are the answer for me
What's your best DL now?
 
What's your best DL now?

I believe 475 off the ground this summer, and 500 rack pull from below the knees.
I did go in one day thinking I had 520 in me easy peasy off the rack but forgot my belt so limited myself to like 465 off the rack.

today felt fantastic, just rushed which is a bummer but probably better than overworking.
I HAVE to force myself to do hard deficits regularly. I truly believe they have been the biggest bridge to better deadlifts for me. I felt like I had strong endurance today. I finished with that set of 10 at 315 and it was easier than the first set of 5. so maybe abbreviated sessions, carbs, and deficits are the answer.
 
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