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You are supposed to rack the weight and take a 20 - 30 second breather and then unrack and grind out more reps in DC.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Board presses are usually to work on a weak area of your lift.
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:goodpost:

A boardpress is a tool, just like a rack-pull. It's not a real "exercise" persay as a tool to make a small portion (the hardest portion) of your lift stronger.
 
GMG760 said:
:goodpost:

A boardpress is a tool, just like a rack-pull. It's not a real "exercise" persay as a tool to make a small portion (the hardest portion) of your lift stronger.
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When playing football, I had a couple buddies playing linemen who went through various deltoid injuries. That's the one time I remember seeing people do board presses; it was the only way for them to perform a chest routine [bench presses] alongside of their shoulder injuries ..

This sounds more like a method to relieve your shoulder joints from any unwanted stress and work through an injury, than being an actual exercise for power/strength ..


.. anyone?
 
I was under the impression that you rack the weight, catch your breath for say 20 seconds and then grind out as many more reps as you can. 3 sets in one basically.
And G, I thought the boards were there to make that part of the lift(where the board is) a stronger part?
 
AZMIDLYF said:
I was under the impression that you rack the weight, catch your breath for say 20 seconds and then grind out as many more reps as you can. 3 sets in one basically.
And G, I thought the boards were there to make that part of the lift(where the board is) a stronger part?
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Well yea, the idea is to have the board at wherever your sticking point(s) are in the press. It helps people work on their weaker part of the exercise, wherever that may be. Mine is about 5 inches off my chest. Don't know why, but it's nearly the same spot every time. I have been thinking about doing a few weeks of board presses to combat this, but I would have to use the racks since I don't have a workout partner at the moment.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
I was under the impression that you rack the weight, catch your breath for say 20 seconds and then grind out as many more reps as you can. 3 sets in one basically.
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Agreed my man, that is the essence behind the rest-pause, you are correct..

But if I'm doing 1 set to failure, despite the 3 failure points in that scheme, I'm gonna utilize every tool I can before I get to total failure -- which for me includes mini-breathers (very brief) in lockout mode before I get to failure in that portion..

Are we splitting hairs here? :think:
 
vikinginc said:
When playing football, I had a couple buddies playing linemen who went through various deltoid injuries. That's the one time I remember seeing people do board presses; it was the only way for them to perform a chest routine [bench presses] alongside of their shoulder injuries ..

This sounds more like a method to relieve your shoulder joints from any unwanted stress and work through an injury, than being an actual exercise for power/strength ..


.. anyone?
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it has helped my strength tremendously. I also have a left rotator cuff problem from baseball in highschool so it helps keep stress off my deltoids as well
 
snagency said:
Agreed my man, that is the essence behind the rest-pause, you are correct..

But if I'm doing 1 set to failure, despite the 3 failure points in that scheme, I'm gonna utilize every tool I can before I get to total failure -- which for me includes mini-breathers (very brief) in lockout mode before I get to failure in that portion..

Are we splitting hairs here? :think:
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I think you hit the nail on the head Snag. :lol:

I am pretty sure the majority of us (probably all of us in this conversation) know how to properly bench press. I would say the method that gets one the best results is the method that one should utilize.
 
snagency said:
Agreed my man, that is the essence behind the rest-pause, you are correct..

But if I'm doing 1 set to failure, despite the 3 failure points in that scheme, I'm gonna utilize every tool I can before I get to total failure -- which for me includes mini-breathers (very brief) in lockout mode before I get to failure in that portion..

Are we splitting hairs here? :think:
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I used to train with a Polish guy and he always yelled at me when I paused. :lol: - He'd say, "What are you?! Girl?! Go more! Now! No Break!" and then slap me on the head.

I couldn't pronounce his name so I just called him Eric. Hahah. It was spelled funky...Erccizanstoff something weird like that.
 
Board presses are not used to maintain shoulder health. They merely limit the ROM and allow you to use a larger weight in the upper portion of the lift. Read up on Westside BB training for more info.
 
VolcomX311 said:
A little bend is stopping 6 inches above your head on the incline (which I see far too often). If you don't AT LEAST make parallel with your eyes, its questionable :nono:

2 inches off the chest is pretty good. That's well in the legitimate category :thumbsup:
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Well, first of all I want to say....WOW!! While the big vampire (me) was sleeping the day away, you guys have been totally awesome in blowing my thread up with great information and conversation once again. I am indebted to you all. You people are the best on Midgard (Earth).

And in response to how I bench. I stop only 1 inch short of touching my pecs and push to just short of lockout. Maybe 1 or 2 inches shy of total lockout. My elbows don't like it and I'm not trying to work triceps! ;) I'm keeping tension on the working chest muscles. And my strength on benching has went up since adopting this method. In my powerlifting experimentation days, I would both touch the pecs, pause, and then push to full lockuot. That's the way it had to be. But there's a huge difference between powerlifting and bodybuilding.

I know where you're coming from here Volcom. I've watched enough "professionals" on youtube using less than half-reps and it looks ridiculous to me. I remember watching Jeremy Freeman in that youtube video "contest" cheating his fucking ass off and getting the win! WTF??!! :eek: They should have culled all of his reps!
 
vikinginc said:
When playing football, I had a couple buddies playing linemen who went through various deltoid injuries. That's the one time I remember seeing people do board presses; it was the only way for them to perform a chest routine [bench presses] alongside of their shoulder injuries ..

This sounds more like a method to relieve your shoulder joints from any unwanted stress and work through an injury, than being an actual exercise for power/strength ..


.. anyone?
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I had a major brain fart here .. Board press = ~ Floor press .. I utilize them on the Smith Machine from time to time; a totally different feel like this. I'm a big fan!
 
vikinginc said:
Ya'll gotta get with the rest of the world ..

I'm 102.3 kilograms, b!tch! :thumbsup:
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Yeah I remember when I was in grade school, they made all this fuss about teaching us the metric scale, saying by the year 2000 the U.S. would be converted over.. what ever happened to that?
 
thundergod said:
I know where you're coming from here Volcom. I've watched enough "professionals" on youtube using less than half-reps and it looks ridiculous to me. I remember watching Jeremy Freeman in that youtube video "contest" cheating his fucking ass off and getting the win! WTF??!! :eek: They should have culled all of his reps!
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I notice this as well. 1/4 reps on Flat DB Chest Press and such. Sometimes I wonder how these guys are as big as they are if that's how they train.
 
vikinginc said:
Ya'll gotta get with the rest of the world ..

I'm 102.3 kilograms, b!tch! :thumbsup:
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Hel Yeah!! Now you're talking. I'm at 108.762 kilograms!! :head:
 
Irish Cannon said:
I notice this as well. 1/4 reps on Flat DB Chest Press and such. Sometimes I wonder how these guys are as big as they are if that's how they train.
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I've thought the same thing. Either the rest of us are wrong about needing to do full reps or it's the drugs these guys are on. I wonder....:think:
 
snagency said:
Yeah I remember when I was in grade school, they made all this fuss about teaching us the metric scale, saying by the year 2000 the U.S. would be converted over.. what ever happened to that?
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And I remember in grade school (1970!!) they told us that by the year 2000 we would all be flying around in G.E.M.'s (ground elevating machines) or "flying cars"!! What happened? I want my flying saucer bitches!! :lol:
 
thundergod said:
I've thought the same thing. Either the rest of us are wrong about needing to do full reps or it's the drugs these guys are on. I wonder....:think:
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Yes, there is something to this, it's the constant tension/constant explosion principle. I've heard a few pros talk about this. What I don't know tho is like you said TG - if it only works if you're juiced to the gills, or for us regular folks as well.. never tried it.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
I was under the impression that you rack the weight, catch your breath for say 20 seconds and then grind out as many more reps as you can. 3 sets in one basically.
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This is the way I do my DC rest-pauses. Why would anyone want to hold a heavy ass weight at full lockout for that long?! That wouldn't be much of a "rest" to me!!

The only difference being those damn widowmaker squats!! You have to keep that shit on your shoulders! And it fucking hurts!! :lol:

But on all other DC movements, I re-rack the weights and do my deep-breathing. How could you do the relaxing deep breaths while holding heavy weights at lockout? That one is beyond me.
 
thundergod said:
I've thought the same thing. Either the rest of us are wrong about needing to do full reps or it's the drugs these guys are on. I wonder....:think:
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It's the drugs, there are so many pro's that don't know how to train. If they were natural there is no way that kind of training would wash. You see it in the gym all the time... guys that train like that never getting anywhere.

I am a technician and I tell you I can make better gains using much less weight and doing the exercise correctly. Techniquie... Technique... Technique....
 
vikinginc said:
In my opinion, unless you're @ 6'5'' or taller and/or just have really long arms, you should have the bar touching the chest at the bottom of every rep on Incline and Flat Barbell Presses. You adjust the grip width to find your comfort spot where you can bring it down all the way - although it's possible with any of the grip widths - so there's really no excuse for not going all the way down. [Like I said, this is my opinion..]

.. and Mullet, if it's a controlled movement, there is no bouncing on the bottom if you go that low. Having the barbell touch the top of your pecs, however, isn't a bad thing ..
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I disagree, based both on [my] personal experience and research displaying that bringing the bar approximately 4cm [2"] away from the Pectoralis maximally activates the entire muscle. These studies were done via EMG, and displayed that higher activation was occurring with constant tension, but less work was done over the same AUC - translation: more reps would need be done to equalize the intensity level in regards to full v., partial repetition.

Obviously contingent upon arm length, grip and so forth, bringing the bar to the chest actually deactivates the muscle at a crucial period; you actually bring the bar past the point of maximum tension.

datBtrue had a great discussion regarding this issue.
 
DreamWeaver said:
It's the drugs, there are so many pro's that don't know how to train. If they were natural there is no way that kind of training would wash. You see it in the gym all the time... guys that train like that never getting anywhere.

I am a technician and I tell you I can make better gains using much less weight and doing the exercise correctly. Techniquie... Technique... Technique....
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We need more coaches like you around DW!! :clap2:
 
DreamWeaver said:
It's the drugs, there are so many pro's that don't know how to train. If they were natural there is no way that kind of training would wash. You see it in the gym all the time... guys that train like that never getting anywhere.

I am a technician and I tell you I can make better gains using much less weight and doing the exercise correctly. Techniquie... Technique... Technique....
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That struck my funny bone DW! :lol:

Technique for sure.
 
snagency said:
Yes, there is something to this, it's the constant tension/constant explosion principle. I've heard a few pros talk about this. What I don't know tho is like you said TG - if it only works if you're juiced to the gills, or for us regular folks as well.. never tried it.
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Yes, this is more or less what I was alluding to previously! Bringing the repetition to a completion brings the muscle past its point of peak contraction. With a BB Bench, the tension is released momentarily as the bar comes past that PPC [point of peak contraction] and does not reach it again until the proceeding repetition; in finishing the rep at the PPC, maximum tension remains throughout.

This is not to suggest poor form: These types of repetitions are completed with the same attention to form as complete repetitions! I should find the thread where datBtrue threw up the data. In most of the recent research I have seen partial > complete.

EDIT: It is like a rubber band: The band can only be stretched so far before tension is released [the band snaps]; you want to bring your muscle to the point just prior to tension being released!

This is not the most effective approach for strength though, I must say.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I disagree, based both on [my] personal experience and research displaying that bringing the bar approximately 4cm [2"] away from the Pectoralis maximally activates the entire muscle. These studies were done via EMG, and displayed that higher activation was occurring with constant tension, but less work was done over the same AUC - translation: more reps would need be done to equalize the intensity level in regards to full v., partial repetition.

Obviously contingent upon arm length, grip and so forth, bringing the bar to the chest actually deactivates the muscle at a crucial period; you actually bring the bar past the point of maximum tension.

datBtrue had a great discussion regarding this issue.
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It depends on the person I think, but there can't be any bounce off the chest whatsoever and that's hard to do sometimes when going down all the way so for me if I just let it graze my shirt that is optimal for me. If I was to do 2 inches it's much easier for me as I have long arms but I don't get all I need from the exercise.
 
DreamWeaver said:
It depends on the person I think, but there can't be any bounce off the chest whatsoever and that's hard to do sometimes when going down all the way so for me if I just let it graze my shirt that is optimal for me. If I was to do 2 inches it's much easier for me as I have long arms but I don't get all I need from the exercise.
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Yes, with long-armed people it is particularly beneficial to complete the repetition. However, a point can always be found to maintain maximum tension.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Yes, with long-armed people it is particularly beneficial to complete the repetition. However, a point can always be found to maintain maximum tension.
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Yah I agree... makes sense that point it about .002 cm above the pecs for me but I don't know where it is for those with shorter arms could be 2 inches...
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I disagree, based both on [my] personal experience and research displaying that bringing the bar approximately 4cm [2"] away from the Pectoralis maximally activates the entire muscle. These studies were done via EMG, and displayed that higher activation was occurring with constant tension, but less work was done over the same AUC - translation: more reps would need be done to equalize the intensity level in regards to full v., partial repetition.
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I can conceptualize this. Hmm.. I likes me some experimentation, maybe I'll give it a go!
 
snagency said:
I can conceptualize this. Hmm.. I likes me some experimentation, maybe I'll give it a go!
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I would suggest getting the best of both worlds. Full reps on lighter sets. And 3/4 reps on the heaviest sets. :thumbsup:
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
I just read throught the "fudging numbers thread" in the anonymous section. I love the fact nobody ever calls out ThunderGod. You push some crazy weights and I don't believe that there is an ounce of imbelishment at all. You are a hell of an inspiration to all of us and glad you are feeling better!
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I appreciate those kind remarks big Silver!
But about that anon thread or that whole damn section... I could care less about what they think. Like I've said before, do people think I'm this big by benching 185 X 10??!! Shit, give me some credit. I was benching 225 X 10 in my first year of training at the age of 19. Road Warrior Animal was Incline Benching 315 X 18 when he was 19!! Strength comes easier for some of us. Good genetics. Good breeding. LOL
 
I thought that when you take a muscle thru it's full range of motion, it in effect involves using more muscle to complete the rep. I could see if the bar rests on your chest, but the muscle is still holding the weight off of your chest. How can it be disconnected?
 
thundergod said:
I appreciate those kind remarks big Silver!
But about that anon thread or that whole damn section... I could care less about what they think. Like I've said before, do people think I'm this big by benching 185 X 10??!! Shit, give me some credit. I was benching 225 X 10 in my first year of training at the age of 19. Road Warrior Animal was Incline Benching 315 X 18 when he was 19!! Strength comes easier for some of us. Good genetics. Good breeding. LOL
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psh back before I switched to barbell I could hit that easily. I agree though strength comes easy for me too. As well as size and transformations. I don't put too much effort except for routine and dieting.
 
TG - since you found the Wigger Adventure so funny, here's another one from the same guy... Try not to laugh. ;)

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Mulletsoldier said:
I disagree, based both on [my] personal experience and research displaying that bringing the bar approximately 4cm [2"] away from the Pectoralis maximally activates the entire muscle. These studies were done via EMG, and displayed that higher activation was occurring with constant tension, but less work was done over the same AUC - translation: more reps would need be done to equalize the intensity level in regards to full v., partial repetition.

Obviously contingent upon arm length, grip and so forth, bringing the bar to the chest actually deactivates the muscle at a crucial period; you actually bring the bar past the point of maximum tension.

datBtrue had a great discussion regarding this issue.
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Of course you'd disagree .. if Mullet found a study that says one thing, it's the only correct thing, isn't it ?!

.. I don't care if it's recorded by an EMG, I don't care what study said this and that .. You're bound to find numerous studies suggesting a full ROM is the only correct form/way to perform an exercise, and on the polar opposite, you're bound to find quite a few studies suggesting it's better to stop short of touching your chest.



.. to end any further discussion, it's based on individual preference, and you just gotta find what work for you. PERIOD.
 
vikinginc said:
Of course you'd disagree .. if Mullet found a study that says one thing, it's the only correct thing, isn't it ?!

.. I don't care if it's recorded by an EMG, I don't care what study said this and that .. You're bound to find numerous studies suggesting a full ROM is the only correct form/way to perform an exercise, and on the polar opposite, you're bound to find quite a few studies suggesting it's better to stop short of touching your chest.



.. to end any further discussion, it's based on individual preference, and you just gotta find what work for you. PERIOD.
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i agree to disagree!lol
 
TG - can't remember where I saw it, but I think it was you yesterday who said you couldn't stand oats & protein in a shaker? Ahh man, that sux, that's one of my fav combos..
Maybe try this (if you're trying to get that particular combo in your diet): oat bran instead of like Quaker oats. It's a finer ground bran texture and goes down smoother, I prefer this myself. Scottish Oatmeal works well too, Bob's Red Mill brand is what I use here..
Just can't beat the ease of that meal sometimes, great for on the go!
 
thundergod said:
I appreciate those kind remarks big Silver!
But about that anon thread or that whole damn section... I could care less about what they think. Like I've said before, do people think I'm this big by benching 185 X 10??!! Shit, give me some credit. I was benching 225 X 10 in my first year of training at the age of 19. Road Warrior Animal was Incline Benching 315 X 18 when he was 19!! Strength comes easier for some of us. Good genetics. Good breeding. LOL
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classic!
 
Motivation Time!!!

Oh, for that blessed day when my Father's shield-maidens (valkyries) hie my spirit away to that sacred Hall of warriors. To fight side by side with my brothers, the Einherjar.

Lo, there do I see my father
Lo, there do I see my mother
And my sisters and my brothers
Lo, there do I see the line of my people
Back to the beginning
Lo, they do call to me
And bid me to take my place among them
In the Halls of Valhalla
Where the brave may live...forever!!

All-Father, give thy son strength this day to overcome my iron enemies!! Amen. :box:

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