The Solution logs Major Gains

Rockzilla said:
This is def what I think. It’s undersized.

I have a question though, are you going to try vector? A lot like it, and tons are on the hype train, I even got 2 bottles at intro.
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No plans. After seeing someone deem Vector almost doubled their test intake we soon figured out they were taking many other things which skews the final outcome.... it raised my eyebrow. Then again there are a lot of people seeing nothing off Vector and some saying they do. I have yet to see pictures of anyone with their before and after. There is a lot of talk on here, but not a whole lot of pictures to put the pieces to the puzzle together. As I have stated earlier, a lot of these people are constantly adjusting their nutrition and training so there is no consistency. So if someone logs vector and increases their calories 100-150 per week (think about how much that is over a 8-12 week run) that is the biggest issue I see.. People take a product, jack up their intake, and then deem the supplement did all the work, when that is not always the case. Same with dieting and then reducing calories and upping cardio. At the end of the log if your doing 1-2 hours more cardio per week and eating less then I hope to god you will lose fat.
 
The Solution said:
No plans. After seeing someone deem Vector almost doubled their test intake we soon figured out they were taking many other things which skews the final outcome.... it raised my eyebrow. Then again there are a lot of people seeing nothing off Vector and some saying they do. I have yet to see pictures of anyone with their before and after. There is a lot of talk on here, but not a whole lot of pictures to put the pieces to the puzzle together. As I have stated earlier, a lot of these people are constantly adjusting their nutrition and training so there is no consistency. So if someone logs vector and increases their calories 100-150 per week (think about how much that is over a 8-12 week run) that is the biggest issue I see.. People take a product, jack up their intake, and then deem the supplement did all the work, when that is not always the case. Same with dieting and then reducing calories and upping cardio. At the end of the log if your doing 1-2 hours more cardio per week and eating less then I hope to god you will lose fat.
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Why did you decise to log major gains? Can you post some links to the before and after pics of major gain users that made you decide to log it?
 
grocker said:
Why did you decise to log major gains? Can you post some links to the before and after pics of major gain users that made you decide to log it?
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Nobody has logged it before myself, Oconns28 and BloodManor we are the first 3 to log it.
The company chose me to log the product. That is why I am , and giving 100% honest feedback to everyone else here on the boards.
 
grocker said:
Why did you decise to log major gains? Can you post some links to the before and after pics of major gain users that made you decide to log it?
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I will be running vector soon to see if it continues to help keep hold of gains after pct. Calories will remain the same. Workout frequency will also be consistent. Variables will be that weight was gained with the help of ph and sarms. Pct will have test boosted by serm plus natty test booster (platinum labs anabolic tryad) but will include all info in my log.

Gonna take some inspiration from this thread with regards to being more consistent with posts. Pics of my food would not be any where near as impressive though.
 
Wobmarvel said:
I will be running vector soon to see if it continues to help keep hold of gains after pct. Calories will remain the same. Workout frequency will also be consistent. Variables will be that weight was gained with the help of ph and sarms. Pct will have test boosted by serm plus natty test booster (platinum labs anabolic tryad) but will include all info in my log.

Gonna take some inspiration from this thread with regards to being more consistent with posts. Pics of my food would not be any where near as impressive though.
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If you really want to log vector 100% do not mess with any of those other Booster's. Just use VECTOR and that way you know 100% how much effect it truly has on your body and everything else you take note of. Glad to see you take that role and not change anything else to give the company what it wants HONEST Feedback. That way I can watch your log and take it with a grain of salt, while a lot of others I really can't because of the skewed variables. I appreciate that man.

Hey. My food sucks
But your more then welcome to come visit and I will cook for you. Anyone who has met me on here knows that I always do that, or make them baked goods and take it to them mkretz bloodnthunder bbartsche Rocket3015 can all attest to that.
 
The Solution said:
If you really want to log vector 100% do not mess with any of those other Booster's. Just use VECTOR and that way you know 100% how much effect it truly has on your body and everything else you take note of.

Hey. My food sucks
But your more then welcome to come visit and I will cook for you.
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I live in Scotland so bit too far away but if I'm ever in the area I'll take you up on that. I was going to run vector as the test booster during pct. I realise clomid would interfere with results. Brundel advised to wait until post pct since vector is not a test booster per say and being heavily suppressed does not give it much to work with. My log would benefit those who run cycles and are looking for natural supps to take whilst taking time off between. Anyone looking to use vector solely to make gains would need to look elsewhere. If I can maintain or even gain/lean out with calories constant then I think that info would be useful for some. I had to raise calories to over 4000 a day whilst on lgd to maintain 190lbs. I know normally without and peds I would start gaining fat on ghat amount so will be interesting if vector maintains the same effects. Also looking to see if it improves sex drive/energy/lethargy.
 
Wobmarvel said:
I live in Scotland so bit too far away but if I'm ever in the area I'll take you up on that. I was going to run vector as the test booster during pct. I realise clomid would interfere with results. Brundel advised to wait until post pct since vector is not a test booster per say and being heavily suppressed does not give it much to work with. My log would benefit those who run cycles and are looking for natural supps to take whilst taking time off between. Anyone looking to use vector solely to make gains would need to look elsewhere. If I can maintain or even gain/lean out with calories constant then I think that info would be useful for some. I had to raise calories to over 4000 a day whilst on lgd to maintain 190lbs. I know normally without and peds I would start gaining fat on ghat amount so will be interesting if vector maintains the same effects. Also looking to see if it improves sex drive/energy/lethargy.
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Ahhhh
Now that makes sense.
I would love to see people who don't mess with hormonal things run vector to see its TRUE results.
Like I said we saw bloodwork from someone who was running Clomid and 2-3 other Natty anabolics, so its very hard to know how much was truly vector.
 
The Solution said:
Ahhhh
Now that makes sense.
I would love to see people who don't mess with hormonal things run vector to see its TRUE results.
Like I said we saw bloodwork from someone who was running Clomid and 2-3 other Natty anabolics, so its very hard to know how much was truly vector.
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Yeah I saw that. All I will say is there will be no overlap so I will not be touching vector until pct is done. I realise due to half life etc. That isn't the same as starting vector completely natural but plan to be off for at least 12 weeks before considering my next cycle so may even run 3 tubs back to back so would still be a good indicator of things happening or not.

Incidentally ordered vector from strong supps over two weeks ago and still no sign of it yet so couldn't add it even if I wanted to.
 
The Solution said:
Nobody has logged it before myself, Oconns28 and BloodManor we are the first 3 to log it.
The company chose me to log the product. That is why I am , and giving 100% honest feedback to everyone else here on the boards.
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So what you're saying is that you only try products that are given to you for free. If so, that's a shame because I would have loved to see how Vector treats you. Have you ever used any BLR products?
 
Wobmarvel said:
I will be running vector soon to see if it continues to help keep hold of gains after pct. Calories will remain the same. Workout frequency will also be consistent. Variables will be that weight was gained with the help of ph and sarms. Pct will have test boosted by serm plus natty test booster (platinum labs anabolic tryad) but will include all info in my log.

Gonna take some inspiration from this thread with regards to being more consistent with posts. Pics of my food would not be any where near as impressive though.
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I look forward to following your log.
 
grocker said:
So what you're saying is that you only try products that are given to you for free. If so, that's a shame because I would have loved to see how Vector treats you. Have you ever used any BLR products?
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I have reviewed over 50+ products on here
I have logged over 2 dozen products and have spent the money out of my own pocket to run and review some of them. I don’t know where you got your story twisted but I have been doing this for almost 10 years reviewing and logging products.

Unless you know me better then myself I find it funny you will draw a conclusion since this is the first log you ever followed from me and
Posted in. I purchased an entire PES Fatloss Stack when alpha t2 came out and spend over several hundred dollars to review it and you can go through my post history to see all my previous logs and my contribution to these forums. Some paid and some covered by the company through the company promo section.

I have never used any BLR products. Again my supp intake year round is very basic and minimal outside of my essentials and health products intake (vitamin D, gut health, Ergonine, enzymes, whey, multi, fishoil) besides that I try to dial in my nutrition and training as much as possible.

This is why when I log products the only thing I add is that variable (supplement) and take any notes I see changes as I keep everything
Else consistent (diet , training, cardio and all other supps) this way I can give the company a non biased and honest feedback in the end.

It just so happens there was an opportunity to try this and I was chosen, and here I am giving my feedback to everyone who wants to follow along
 
grocker said:
So what you're saying is that you only try products that are given to you for free. If so, that's a shame because I would have loved to see how Vector treats you. Have you ever used any BLR products?
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Dude really? How long have you been on these boards? The Solution is one of the most respected members on this forums. People take his reviews to heart. He would never lie about a product or take anything that is bs.

He legit cares about people on the boards. I have talked to him about what he has used and most of it he paid for it. He wants people to get what they want out of a product.

I have no clue who you are, but you really need to read up on here and not throw things around that aren't true at all. Saying he only takes free stuff? Come on man
 
grocker said:
So what you're saying is that you only try products that are given to you for free. If so, that's a shame because I would have loved to see how Vector treats you. Have you ever used any BLR products?
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Making some wild assumptions here, my man...
 
The Solution said:
I have reviewed over 50+ products on here
I have logged over 2 dozen products and have spent the money out of my own pocket to run and review some of them. I don’t know where you got your story twisted but I have been doing this for almost 10 years reviewing and logging products.

Unless you know me better then myself I find it funny you will draw a conclusion since this is the first log you ever followed from me and
Posted in. I purchased an entire PES Fatloss Stack when alpha t2 came out and spend over several hundred dollars to review it and you can go through my post history to see all my previous logs and my contribution to these forums. Some paid and some covered by the company through the company promo section.

I have never used any BLR products. Again my supp intake year round is very basic and minimal outside of my essentials and health products intake (vitamin D, gut health, Ergonine, enzymes, whey, multi, fishoil) besides that I try to dial in my nutrition and training as much as possible.

This is why when I log products the only thing I add is that variable (supplement) and take any notes I see changes as I keep everything
Else consistent (diet , training, cardio and all other supps) this way I can give the company a non biased and honest feedback in the end.

It just so happens there was an opportunity to try this and I was chosen, and here I am giving my feedback to everyone who wants to follow along
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First off, let me start by apologizing. I'm sorry if I offended you, Bob. I'm just curious why you never logged or even tried any BLR products or have any interest in trying any. I just think it would be awesome to see log it.

Eventhough this is the first log of yours that I follow, that doesn't mean I have not been reading your logs or reviews over the years. I have purchased many products that you have highly recommended. Some of them worked and some didn't do anything.

Anyways, again apologize.
 
bbartsche said:
Dude really? How long have you been on these boards? The Solution is one of the most respected members on this forums. People take his reviews to heart. He would never lie about a product or take anything that is bs.

He legit cares about people on the boards. I have talked to him about what he has used and most of it he paid for it. He wants people to get what they want out of a product.

I have no clue who you are, but you really need to read up on here and not throw things around that aren't true at all. Saying he only takes free stuff? Come on man
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Calm down there bro. No need to get upset. Fyi, I've been here since 2007 and I'm well aware of his reputation here. I'm remember when he first came to the board. Like I previous mentioned I have read countless reviews and logs of his. I'm even subscribed to his Youtube channel.

Anyways, I have already apologized to him so there is no need to continue this conversation anymore and clutter up his log.

For anyone looking to respond to my previous post, don't bother because I'll be unsubbing and won't repond out of respect for Bob.
 
The Solution said:
If you really want to log vector 100% do not mess with any of those other Booster's. Just use VECTOR and that way you know 100% how much effect it truly has on your body and everything else you take note of. Glad to see you take that role and not change anything else to give the company what it wants HONEST Feedback. That way I can watch your log and take it with a grain of salt, while a lot of others I really can't because of the skewed variables. I appreciate that man.

Hey. My food sucks
But your more then welcome to come visit and I will cook for you. Anyone who has met me on here knows that I always do that, or make them baked goods and take it to them mkretz bloodnthunder bbartsche Rocket3015 can all attest to that.
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I have had a few of his baked goods and all I can say is YUM !!!!!
 
Don’t want to clutter the log but bob has always been a stand up guy. Knew him when he had under 1k posts on the site and think he left there with over 130k posts. Dude is as standup as it gets. And what’s your obsession with BLR？ answer me through pm if you want not this log

On this log -
Any special cinco de mayo food? About to get ahi tuna soft tacos - Seared ahi tuna, mixed greens, bacon, plum tomato, wakame seaweed salad, cucumber wasabi drizzle. Served in a pair of flour tortillas.
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 3 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds


**: HS Machine Chest Press:
3 Plates/Side x 8

A2: Cable Crossover
27.5 Each Hand x 8

A3: Flat DB Fly
45's x 8 (3 Sets)

Rack Pull's
225 x 5
315 x 5
405 x 5
500 x 3 (PR)

Single Arm Pulldown with Isotension:
35 (Each Hand) x 10 +10 Second Iso-Tension

Seated Face Pull: (Pull to Sternum for Rhomboids/Traps)
67.5 x 15 (3 Sets)

**: Dumbbell Rear Delt Raise
A2: HS Machine Side Laterals
3 Rounds of 15 Reps on each exercise (6 total Sets)


Post-Workout:
Protein Donuts
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Mass Gains
Pass the 3 week mark now, still not much to report. Program called for 5's on Rack Pulls and fell a few reps short going for a new PR, First time ever pulling 500 and did so with 3 second negatives and a pause after each rep.
 
Protein donut! Can't get much better than that!
 
Nice pull progress for sure. Always feels great to set a new PR. Donut and fajitas look good as well. Hopefully some of the products effects start to kick in for you soon.
 
The Solution said:
No plans. After seeing someone deem Vector almost doubled their test intake we soon figured out they were taking many other things which skews the final outcome.... it raised my eyebrow. Then again there are a lot of people seeing nothing off Vector and some saying they do. I have yet to see pictures of anyone with their before and after. There is a lot of talk on here, but not a whole lot of pictures to put the pieces to the puzzle together. As I have stated earlier, a lot of these people are constantly adjusting their nutrition and training so there is no consistency. So if someone logs vector and increases their calories 100-150 per week (think about how much that is over a 8-12 week run) that is the biggest issue I see.. People take a product, jack up their intake, and then deem the supplement did all the work, when that is not always the case. Same with dieting and then reducing calories and upping cardio. At the end of the log if your doing 1-2 hours more cardio per week and eating less then I hope to god you will lose fat.
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This. I ran vector. It made me extremelyyyy hungry so I ate ~600 more calories per day. Would I tell anyone they should get it as it adds pounds of muscle? No. Because I have no idea how it would have done if I kept diet constant. So in no way am I attributing the weight gains as added muscle from the compounds in vector. Would I recommend it to someone who really struggles with consuming enough calories? Sure. But they’d save money and get likely similar results by just maintaining staples and adding in those 600 calories/day. It’s really tough to trust most logs on here as it does seem that people want the product to work so they alter parameters to make it do so. Then they attribute the results solely to the product. They’re twisting and selecting facts to support a desired outcome. Perhaps people just don’t want to admit and feel foolish for spending their money and time on an ineffective product. Thus they make sure they get the justification for it by altering other factors. Also, the solution is the only person I would go to who will tell me 100% no biased and honest feedback and opinion. A huge thank you to him for helping me out personally and also everyone else here on the forum seeking the truth.
 
Wildcat528 said:
This. I ran vector. It made me extremelyyyy hungry so I ate ~600 more calories per day. Would I tell anyone they should get it as it adds pounds of muscle? No. Because I have no idea how it would have done if I kept diet constant. So in no way am I attributing the weight gains as added muscle from the compounds in vector. Would I recommend it to someone who really struggles with consuming enough calories? Sure. But they’d save money and get likely similar results by just maintaining staples and adding in those 600 calories/day. It’s really tough to trust most logs on here as it does seem that people want the product to work so they alter parameters to make it do so. Then they attribute the results solely to the product. They’re twisting and selecting facts to support a desired outcome. Perhaps people just don’t want to admit and feel foolish for spending their money and time on an ineffective product. Thus they make sure they get the justification for it by altering other factors. Also, the solution is the only person I would go to who will tell me 100% no biased and honest feedback and opinion. A huge thank you to him for helping me out personally and also everyone else here on the forum seeking the truth.
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The man is the GO TO for honest and very detailed reviews!
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 4 Day 1

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Flex (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds


1 Arm Supinated Pulldown:
27.5 x 10
35 x 10
45 x 10 (2 Sets)

1-Arm Barbell Row:
2-25's x 10 (4 Sets)

Deadstop DB Row:
90's x 8 (4 Sets)

Banded Dumbbell Pullover:
40 x 10 + Orange Band (4 Sets)

Hyperextension:
BW x Failure (6 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Chicken Alfredo with Bow-Tie Pasta
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Major Gains
Still not much to note.. Weight is still down from starting the log, besides that not much to note for strength, recovery, mood, libido , body comp looks similar.. my BG has not changed either since starting the log . I was thinking with a small drop in weight it may of improved but it has not.
 
That Chicken Alfredo looks good! I like the Bow-Tie Pasta whenever I make pasta. Hoping Major Gains will kick in for ya!
 
That just made my hungry for some Tuna Noddle Casserole !!
 
The Solution said:
Yup I am in offseason. Since starting Major Gains I am down around 2-3 pounds.
Again I am taking notes on anything I see during my run without changing any variables.
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And the name is Major Gains. Lol. Sorry. It was right there. Had to do it. If this doesn’t workout for you, I would like to think the formulators will go back to the drawing board and get something better. I feel they also should have picked some one in the intermediate level of training along with you and bloodmanor.. We could have known what’s audience it worked on
 
jtmass said:
And the name is Major Gains. Lol. Sorry. It was right there. Had to do it. If this doesn’t workout for you, I would like to think the formulators will go back to the drawing board and get something better. I feel they also should have picked some one in the intermediate level of training along with you and bloodmanor.. We could have known what’s audience it worked on
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Oconns28 is also logging it. Link to log is below:
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jtmass said:
Thank you for linking.. will follow along his journey.
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Awesome! It'll be interesting to see all three different loggers feedback on Major Gains since they each have different experience levels and training styles.
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 4 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Hammer Strength Chest Press + Bands
3 Plates + 25/Side x 8 (4 Sets)

Incline Barbell Bench:
135 x 8
155 x 8
175 x 8
185 x 8
205 x 8

Flat DB Bench: (1 Minute Rest Between Sets)
75's x 20
75's x 15
75's x 12
75's x 11

Hammer Strength Fly:
110 x 8 (1 Second Squeeze + 10 Second Isohold) x 4 Sets

Reverse Pec Dec:
55 x 20 + 10 Seconds Iso-Tension (3 Sets)

Hammer Strength Reverse Press:
2-25's x 10 (3 Sets)

Cable Lateral's (Go back and forth with 0 rest)
10 Each Hand x 10 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Birthday Cake Mug Cake
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Major Gains
Dosing : 2/2/2
Still not much to note regards to training, mood, libido, performance, strength, or anything that has really made an impact.
 
I got to make one of those!!
 
The Solution said:
Mesocycle #9
Week 4 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

Hammer Strength Chest Press + Bands
3 Plates + 25/Side x 8 (4 Sets)

Incline Barbell Bench:
135 x 8
155 x 8
175 x 8
185 x 8
205 x 8

Flat DB Bench: (1 Minute Rest Between Sets)
75's x 20
75's x 15
75's x 12
75's x 11

Hammer Strength Fly:
110 x 8 (1 Second Squeeze + 10 Second Isohold) x 4 Sets

Reverse Pec Dec:
55 x 20 + 10 Seconds Iso-Tension (3 Sets)

Hammer Strength Reverse Press:
2-25's x 10 (3 Sets)

Cable Lateral's (Go back and forth with 0 rest)
10 Each Hand x 10 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Birthday Cake Mug Cake
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Major Gains
Dosing : 2/2/2
Still not much to note regards to training, mood, libido, performance, strength, or anything that has really made an impact.
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Recipe for this please.
 
Dang that looks good! Your post workout meals never disappoint me!
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 4 Day 3


Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds


Lying Leg Curl:
140 x 10 + 5 Slow Partials (4 Sets)

Leg Press:
6 Plates/Side x 8
7 Plates/Side x 8
8 Plates/Side x 8

V-Squat:
130 x 8
170 x 8
210 x 8
250 x 8 --> 190 x 8 --> 130 x 15

Smith Lunges (back foot elevated on platform for larger stretch)
135 x 8 reps each leg (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
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egg whites + Cinnamon + Splenda + Sweet Potatoes
Protein Pudding + Banana's
 
Leg work out looks great, I hope my knee heals and someday I can get back to a decent leg routine !!
 
LeanEngineer said:
Awesome! It'll be interesting to see all three different loggers feedback on Major Gains since they each have different experience levels and training styles.
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This will be more of a telling picture. Everyone is different and being on these boards makes that more than clear. Some people love a certain product and others will notice nothing (this ranges from prohormones to preworkouts). Not saying that is the case here as there is still a good amount of time left in his log. Just advising others to also check out other user feedback as well to paint more of a complete picture.
 
Mowglisml said:
Assuming again nothing to mention on major gains?
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Yup

Afi140 said:
This will be more of a telling picture. Everyone is different and being on these boards makes that more than clear. Some people love a certain product and others will notice nothing (this ranges from prohormones to preworkouts). Not saying that is the case here as there is still a good amount of time left in his log. Just advising others to also check out other user feedback as well to paint more of a complete picture.
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Not everyone who logs on here keeps all variables consistent through their logging and feedback process which makes their feedback questionable.

Anyone who takes a natty anabolics and jacks their intake up over 500-700 calories a day during their trial should notice size gains and strength which will mostly come from their diet not the pill they are taking. Therefore they claim the supplement did everything when that’s not always the case and they can’t pin point how
Much major gains or what natty anabolic truly did. That is the biggest drawback to these boards and the feedback you can get on products.

You have people logging vector on here for example and are stacking 2-3 other products at the same time that have strength , recovery and performance benefits . Now really how much can they really say vector did when you have 2-3 other factors to consider on top of dietary changes. tyga tyga pointed this out in others who are taking those products .

There is no consistency with most loggers and that is why it’s hard to justify their review or take their 2 cents when you manipulate so many variables. Just like BloodManor has done in his log keeping everything the same we basically have the same exact feedback
 
The Solution said:
Yup



Not everyone who logs on here keeps all variables consistent through their logging and feedback process which makes their feedback questionable.

Anyone who takes a natty anabolics and jacks their intake up over 500-700 calories a day during their trial should notice size gains and strength which will mostly come from their diet not the pill they are taking. Therefore they claim the supplement did everything when that’s not always the case and they can’t pin point how
Much major gains or what natty anabolic truly did. That is the biggest drawback to these boards and the feedback you can get on products.

You have people logging vector on here for example and are stacking 2-3 other products at the same time that have strength , recovery and performance benefits . Now really how much can they really say vector did when you have 2-3 other factors to consider on top of dietary changes. tyga tyga pointed this out in others who are taking those products .

There is no consistency with most loggers and that is why it’s hard to justify their review or take their 2 cents when you manipulate so many variables. Just like BloodManor has done in his log keeping everything the same we basically have the same exact feedback
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I know feedback can be questionable and I agree with you 100%. I have seen it on this board and other forums many times- even from “reputable” members. I have seen people get banned for doing shady feedback/rep stuff as well.......So I agree that loggers/forum feedback has both positives and negatives-without a doubt.

Butttttt I also know people respond differently to products. There are literally thousands of examples we can find across the board on almost every type of product. The conflicting feedback can be had even when keeping everything else the same. I have ran products with my buddies and we have both experienced drastically different results when almost everything else is identical. There’s no real debate here as people can respond differently.

Either way we appreciate the honest feedback as there is way too much puffery these days. I hope it kicks in for you soon but even if it doesn’t we are grateful for the log
 
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