PolishHamm3r77
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It did not work out for Ronnie Coleman in the long run
The dissapearing man
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PolishHamm3r77
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“Aint nuthin but a peanut 
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Dustin07
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for sure. even when I'm feeling leanish my waistline has exploded since making deads a priority and I'm not actually that much 'heavier'. my lats exploded the most when I was doing daily oly lifting and pull-ups, rope climbs, kettlebells etc. 2 things xfit was good at for me was building a wide back and thick legs.
I wasn't even strong, but quad and back measurement were larger at 6% less bf
Hyde
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And if they are a labor of love, I would spend the time to be mindful about the bracing, better movement, etc to pursue them. This is exactly what I do. All my PRs have come since my discs were injured.
Smont
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Oh i know, there very little pointvin deadlifting unless you like ripping heavy **** off the ground. My only point is i dont find any othet exercise that transfers well for me. Id be happy if i could do mostly squatting instead because its gonna translate more to your overall look and leg mass. But i like deadlifts
. But they dont like me.....Deadlifts definately have good carry over to grappling and i feel like there great for punching power. I could always do hang cleans for that.
Mikereyn513
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I believe you can build an Olympia worth back with pull ups and heavy bur strict bb rows. I personally love db rows but for me those isolate the lats so they may not be the best for overall back development like bb rows and pull ups. I went back to the assisted pull up machine. If nick walker can swallow his pride and use that machine then I damn well better be able to
Dustin07
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I love pretty much every back centric lift there is out there but I feel like these days I get the most out of it by rotating every week. t-bar rows one week, strict pull-ups another week, lat pull downs another week, etc etc. It might just be that each of those at full energy is hitting slightly differently vs me trying to hit them all the same day every week with a half full tank of gas.
Smont
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Im in pain lol. Getting old sucks, once i moved around and loosened up i was "ok" tho
430am did a light high rep high volume quick workout.
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I got a 10hr day today, 45min light cardio and mobility/rehab stuff tonight. Gonna train light with 10x10's and 20 rep sets till my back feels better. Il probably do some weighted chins tho to help stretch out the back a little.
Hopefully by the end of the week i can bench and squat. I probably could do it now if very careful but why risk it.
430am did a light high rep high volume quick workout.
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I got a 10hr day today, 45min light cardio and mobility/rehab stuff tonight. Gonna train light with 10x10's and 20 rep sets till my back feels better. Il probably do some weighted chins tho to help stretch out the back a little.
Hopefully by the end of the week i can bench and squat. I probably could do it now if very careful but why risk it.
Mikereyn513
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430am training sessions gotta be brutal but you gotta do what yiu gotta do. I respect the $hit outta that. I'm lucky I work at the same place everyday so after 10 or 11 hours I can be home in 15 minutes to eat sit down for a few minutes and still be at the gym between 430 and 5
Smont
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Ya, sometimes i wake up around 330 and i know im not gonna be able to go back to sleep so i just say **** it
MrKleen73
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Yep that will do it.
Smont
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Check this out, i added 100mcg of lr3 in the mornings on training days.
Total calories have NOT changed
Im pinning 100mcg sub q, drinking a shake with whey iso, fairlife and fat free greek yogurt in it and hit the gym 45min later with pro synthsis 17 and some poweraid + electrolytes.
10 days, 7 shots of lr3, no calorie adjustments and im up 7lbs.
Obviously its not muscle, but my waist looks tighter and my pump is awsome.
My back is still not back 100% and my rightvknee has some swelling from god knpws what but training is awsome right now with reduced weights and short rest between sets.
Total calories have NOT changed
Im pinning 100mcg sub q, drinking a shake with whey iso, fairlife and fat free greek yogurt in it and hit the gym 45min later with pro synthsis 17 and some poweraid + electrolytes.
10 days, 7 shots of lr3, no calorie adjustments and im up 7lbs.
Obviously its not muscle, but my waist looks tighter and my pump is awsome.
My back is still not back 100% and my rightvknee has some swelling from god knpws what but training is awsome right now with reduced weights and short rest between sets.
rascal14
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Good to hear! I’ve always heard mixed bag reviews on lr3. Assuming quality is the part in question here.
gphagan1
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That’s something I haven’t tried before lr3, but I’ve always responded well to CJC 1295, MK677, and really anything that increases IGF1 or GH. Looks like I need to try lr3 now.
Mikereyn513
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Interesting...would you deploy this is a pre contest/diet cycle or off-season/ push phase? Or does it matter ?
Smont
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Honestly, idk. I still dont understand these igf variants completely. It seems like it gives the muscles volume and some body comp inprovements. But honestly I think it's completely cosmetic. I got 3 more pins @100mcg Gonna take a week off and switch to des post workout.
Why? Idk. Lol
Smont
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I know its not doing what increlix does. But i know it does something Every time i've used it. I feel like it's most successfully used kind of like how insulin is used. But again I still don't really understand it. Right now I would say it's most useful if you're lean already and on short notice you need to look your best. The last time I used it. I had significantly more body fat and it did not improve my body composition at all. It just gave me a good pump
MrKleen73
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Yeah you fill up something bulbous it just looks more bulbous, you fill up something tight and in shape it looks tighter and more in shape. BONUS! I got the same results when I have tried LR3 but I was a little more on the bulbous side @ 15% + however the pumps were definitely sick!
Was using for trying to get the satellite cells to proliferate.
Smont
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Id pick hgh over any of the things you mentioned. If i had to pick a unlimited supply of hgh or a unlimited supply of every peptide and and igf varient i would pick the hgh 100 out of 100 times
Smont
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That does happen. But its a long process to muture those cells from my understanding
MrKleen73
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Yes, but far less time when on gear. The other was to get the satellite cells to donate nucleus to the hard working cells around it. Which makes them more efficient at building and also what drives muscle memory.
Smont
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Not something i knew!
Thats cool
gphagan1
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Oh yeah HGH 100% of the time definitely, over all of it. I did like MK with CJC, but it still wasn’t as good as HGH.
Hyde
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That’s awesome Smont. That is online with the kind of stuff I’ve read, anecdotally. As far as making a permanent difference, like Kleen said when used on gear in waves over time it should structurally improve things.
Yes, even aside from the cost, you can have problems with carpal tunnel syndrome and insulin insensitivity/becoming diabetic.
You can take insulin to lower your blood sugar into safe ranges, but insulin use (and IGF1, Mk677, CJC, etc) all further decrease insulin sensitivity. So it’s a bandaid. And taking insulin with GH and AAS will further potentiate growth that AAS cannot yield solo, but it needs to be done for short spans/cycled to help prevent becoming diabetic. Many pro bodybuilders become diabetic eventually.
2iu/day, more of a longevity dose, is usually something that can be run a long time fairly safely by people. But you still need to keep an eye on fasting glucose over time. Mine was too high for my comfort last time, going from 91 to over 100 consistently on just 2iu 5 days per week in a few months.
Yes, even aside from the cost, you can have problems with carpal tunnel syndrome and insulin insensitivity/becoming diabetic.
You can take insulin to lower your blood sugar into safe ranges, but insulin use (and IGF1, Mk677, CJC, etc) all further decrease insulin sensitivity. So it’s a bandaid. And taking insulin with GH and AAS will further potentiate growth that AAS cannot yield solo, but it needs to be done for short spans/cycled to help prevent becoming diabetic. Many pro bodybuilders become diabetic eventually.
2iu/day, more of a longevity dose, is usually something that can be run a long time fairly safely by people. But you still need to keep an eye on fasting glucose over time. Mine was too high for my comfort last time, going from 91 to over 100 consistently on just 2iu 5 days per week in a few months.
Smont
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In general ive been making a lot of visual progress the past few months dispite not really doing much bodybuilding stuff. My body appears larger and denser Despite not really gaining any weight. I mean, my weight is Fluctuating a bit. But thats normal. I look bigger, leaner, fuller and more vascular right now at 197 then i did last year at 198 and honestly i think i look bigger then when i was 215-218 in march.
Like im lean and pumped up looking all the time.
I love it lol.
Im about to push up the doses of gear this weekend i think and add a cheat DAY. not a whole day of cookies and crap but some structured high cal meals like a big sunday morning breakfast, homemade smash burger for lunch, and steak and potatos with dessert for dinner. Small pre workout meal and a post workout shake
Smont
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Knees all swelled up too and i didnt even do anything to it lol. Dont hurt tho. But its literly double the size of my normal knee and filled with fluid, water on the knee?
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rascal14
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gotcha thank you! I’ve always been intrigued with the idea of GH and insulin especially. To be honest I could spend some time just understanding glucose and insulin and how it works in general, I’m fairly ignorant to the topic.
Smont
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Start reading. It's one of those things you need to know a lot about. And you're always gonna feel like you don't know enough about it.
Hyde
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Yeah for real. It’s like aspirin. You can get it at Walmart for dirt cheap, and kill yourself if you overdose just the same. Safe proper use is imperative. Not rocket science, but it’s absolutely imperative.
gphagan1
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That looks like a knee that’s been under some stress. It’s good you’re going to the doctor. There’s so many things that can cause swelling, fluid, on the knee, from some kind of injury causing inflammation to bursitis and everything in between, but all usually require resting the knee. I know the thing that’s helped me the quickest is when the doctor drains it, joint aspiration, and after a few days rest like new. You’re probably too young for bursitis, but once you get it when you’re older you usually will continue to battle flare ups, especially when really active, it’s what caused me to give up playing weekend football with my sons and their buddies. And he might give you a corticosteroid injection, which works great for injuries if you don’t do it too much. It really does suck when you have to deal with knee issues. My wife just had knee replacement 6 weeks ago, but she is already doing great. Actually that knee is now doing better than the other one, but she is 57, not saying you are looking at anything that extreme.Knees all swelled up too and i didnt even do anything to it lol. Dont hurt tho. But its literly double the size of my normal knee and filled with fluid, water on the knee?
Smont
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My knee joint itself feels fine. The pain almost feels like its between the bone and skin. I almost think a long, long, long time ago i got a cut and something is in there because for a long time whenever i was kneeling there was a quarter size painfull spot on that knee. And thats where the pain started after the swelling. The actual knee dosent hurt. Just that weird spot.
I did tear the Meniscus in this knee and i played Dr. With bpc and tb and it went 100% back to normal. Maybe this is like a flare up from that?
And finally, idk if having bad knees can be Hereditary but my dad had 2 total knee replacements. He had bad knees since his 40's
Mikereyn513
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Can't tell with all that hairKnees all swelled up too and i didnt even do anything to it lol. Dont hurt tho. But its literly double the size of my normal knee and filled with fluid, water on the knee?
PolishHamm3r77
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Knees all swelled up too and i didnt even do anything to it lol. Dont hurt tho. But its literly double the size of my normal knee and filled with fluid, water on the knee?
MrKleen73
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I would think things that can effect the connective tissues ability to repair, and also bone structure can be genetic. So, in a way we don't often consider it yeah probably qualifies as hereditary. I get my degenerative arthritis from my mother's side of the family.
Smont
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Up the doses starts todsy!
The next 6 weeks (well, i guess not really because esters but) il be pinning 600 test, 600eq. 105mg tren, 30mg of epistane 5x week. Im still training legs with the bad back and funky knee, its managable but im doing light weights.
Example- thursday was test run leg training for pain tollerance/range of motion was stairs 10min,
smith Squat 185 for 8 sets of 8 (10-15sec rest!)
Machine leg press 160 for 3 sets of 20 (1min rest)
and some hamstring curls. Very managable and i can probable double the volume no issues. I may take today as a rest day and get into some higher volume bodybuilding stuff this week.
@Mikereyn513, @MrKleen73 you guys do the most bodybuilding specific training. Any is welcome send me some ideas for s high volume back and biceps workout.
No bent rows or deadlift, gotta be lower back friendly. Im gonna start with chins and go from there
The next 6 weeks (well, i guess not really because esters but) il be pinning 600 test, 600eq. 105mg tren, 30mg of epistane 5x week. Im still training legs with the bad back and funky knee, its managable but im doing light weights.
Example- thursday was test run leg training for pain tollerance/range of motion was stairs 10min,
smith Squat 185 for 8 sets of 8 (10-15sec rest!)
Machine leg press 160 for 3 sets of 20 (1min rest)
and some hamstring curls. Very managable and i can probable double the volume no issues. I may take today as a rest day and get into some higher volume bodybuilding stuff this week.
@Mikereyn513, @MrKleen73 you guys do the most bodybuilding specific training. Any is welcome send me some ideas for s high volume back and biceps workout.
No bent rows or deadlift, gotta be lower back friendly. Im gonna start with chins and go from there
sammpedd88
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Can you do Meadows rows? I don’t feel much of a strain on my lower back since you use your free hand for support but I do wear a belt when I do them. If those don’t bother you, try them and one arm barbell rows (similar to meadows rows except you’re standing in line with the bar instead of across it like the Meadows row). I also use 25 pound plates vs 45 pound plates to give me more range of motion in the exercise. T-bar rows, incline dumbbell rows, and one handed lat pulldowns will definitely take the strain off your lower back. Those and pull-ups would smoke your back. Even doing banded pull-ups or chins after your back is exhausted will definitely hit it hard. Straight arm pulldowns as a finisher would be good too. Just my .02 bro.
Smont
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Honestly i gotta look them up. I cant rember what they are exactly
Smont
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Definately. Ive actually been really focused on the negative and the stretch on everything lately. Ive almost been counting momentary failure when i cant fully control that negative when i do rest pause sets and then force out a few extras.
sammpedd88
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I’ll PM you a video
Smont
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Lots of volume and lots of squeezing my lats trying to really connect.
Id like to knock out like 200 chins one day as my workout just to see who long it would take. I blast through the first 30-40 and then i kinda tank. Id probably need to do 2min rest or longer between sets instead of 30 secconds like im aiming for
Lots of volume and lots of squeezing my lats trying to really connect.
Id like to knock out like 200 chins one day as my workout just to see who long it would take. I blast through the first 30-40 and then i kinda tank. Id probably need to do 2min rest or longer between sets instead of 30 secconds like im aiming for
Smont
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PolishHamm3r77
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Fuk dude! Ouch. Elevate, ice, heat repeat
Smont
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I am lol. Pains not crazy, just ugly to look at and its tight. Im wondering if my Torn meniscus from a few months back didnt heal like i thought and now maybe water on the knee to protect the joint?
I was told just to rest it
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PolishHamm3r77
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I would be leaning in that direction also. Mangled right knee snowboarding. ACL and meniscus. No cause and effect at the gym? Just blew up on you? Mine can act up from squats. Feels like someone drove a railroad spike into my patella. Swells below and to outside of cap