The dissapearing man

[Smont]

Body fat still looks between 12-15% from what I can see, not a bad thing at all. Are still doing trt or are you completely natty

125mg every 4-5 days, so 175-200mg a week. Slightly higher then what it's been the past few years 140-150.

Bodyfat is probably 15 because my abs are gone, you can see the top 4 outline but that's it. After the 4th when I was all bloated it looked like a keg lol.

I will put up the bloated pic, today's pic and Tuesday will be day 7 so IL do all three of them in 1 shot on Tuesday morning for the 1 week update.

I really felt like I was looking decent till up until this past weekend and that's when I was just standing relaxed n let everything hang out and I was like, yep, or better yet nope! Lol, time to really cut. Unfortunately if I had to guess, cutting off cycle will probably leave me looking a little different then normal and I don't know what's gonna pop. I might end up looking like a 180lb surfer at the end, but I'm gonna keep cutting till I'm single digits again. Up front I'm guessing 10-12 weeks. IL make a assessment then.

Definitely going to be looking into some performance/endurance type products a d a pump product after this initial 10lbs of **** falls off of me

 

[Mikereyn513]

You're a better man than me..not a chance in hell I would cut without being on a blast

 

[johnny412]

Body fat still looks between 12-15% from what I can see, not a bad thing at all. Are still doing trt or are you completely natty

asking an anabolic minds legend if he is completely natty......just EPIC!!! lol!

 

[Smont]

You're a better man than me..not a chance in hell I would cut without being on a blast

I don't understand why. There's no option to blast right now. Not even the slightest chance. I mean I could but it would be a terrible idea at this point in time. So if yiu don't blast you don't cut? You just let yourself go?

 

[Smont]

Breakfast was 2 scoops of whey and a coffee
Lunch is chicken, yogurt fruit and vegetables

Edit: meal 3 wad chicken and vegetables

Meal 4 I had to go pick my daughter up out of town so I stopped at a Asian place and had beef and broccoli with the sauce on the side and a order of steamed shrimp dumplings. Honestly, it wasn't that good for the 700+ calories

Meal 5 was a grilled chicken breast and I made a milkshake with skim fairlife milk, 1/2 scoop whey, a frozen banana and some dark chocolate. Not a bad meal to be honest and it was 69gm protein and only like 500 calories

 

[MrKleen73]

Haha, I don't think @Mikereyn513 likes to do anything off cycle if he doesn't have too.

 

[Smont]

Haha, I don't think @Mikereyn513 likes to do anything off cycle if he doesn't have too.

Well, I mean, if there was no consequence I'd cut on cycle. I do highly suggest that if someone is enhanced they cut on cycle. But with the goal in mind of just getting in the best shape possible, size isint a big deal. Honestly, after I cut, if I'm all healed up I might start a cycle and keep cutting till I burn out but, idk. Not worried about cycles and I'm never really worried about getting bigger. I want to be bigger but it's definitely more of a chore then it is a Luxery

 

[MrKleen73]

LOL, Oh yeah, I agree. I just wanted to give @Mikereyn513 a little sh*t! I would probably wait to cycle until I got even leaner if I did not need to build some more muscle in the process while on a set time frame to do so.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I don't understand why. There's no option to blast right now. Not even the slightest chance. I mean I could but it would be a terrible idea at this point in time. So if yiu don't blast you don't cut? You just let yourself go?

I shouldn't say that because I would doa cut with just trt and fat burners, but no way I would without atleast test in the picture

 

[Mikereyn513]

Haha, I don't think @Mikereyn513 likes to do anything off cycle if he doesn't have too.

This is true I won't even take a shower unless I'm on cycle too much risk for loss of muscle mass lol

 

[Smont]

This is true I won't even take a shower unless I'm on cycle too much risk for loss of muscle mass lol

 

[Smont]

I shouldn't say that because I would doa cut with just trt and fat burners, but no way I would without atleast test in the picture

I'm thinking I get through the first month with no supplements or fat burners outside of all the basic stuff I normally use. I'm thinking weeks 5 through 8 or maybe even 5 through 12.
I throw in Some supplements to improve athletic performance. Because I'm sure that's around the time I'm gonna start being like. I wish I was on cycle. Apex triton I've been wanting to try for a while. Because I felt like that is something I can benefit From quite a bit in the boxing gym And I also feel like cross-training would benefit from a supplement like that. And after a month on those products I'll probably add in traditional fat burgers. That was supposed to say fat burners but I like the sound of a fat burger so I'll keep it there.

So even though I am kind of going into this with no game plan, I've got some of a game plan in my head. Like at least 47% of a game plan.

 

[MrKleen73]

I'm thinking I get through the first month with no supplements or fat burners outside of all the basic stuff I normally use. I'm thinking weeks 5 through 8 or maybe even 5 through 12.
I throw in Some supplements to improve athletic performance. Because I'm sure that's around the time I'm gonna start being like. I wish I was on cycle. Apex triton I've been wanting to try for a while. Because I felt like that is something I can benefit From quite a bit in the boxing gym And I also feel like cross-training would benefit from a supplement like that. And after a month on those products I'll probably add in traditional fat burgers. That was supposed to say fat burners but I like the sound of a fat burger so I'll keep it there.

So even though I am kind of going into this with no game plan, I've got some of a game plan in my head. Like at least 47% of a game plan.

A fat burger eh? So that would be like those combo meat burgers you can get that have brisket and pork in them eh?

 

[Smont]

A fat burger eh? So that would be like those combo meat burgers you can get that have brisket and pork in them eh?

Idk but that sounds awesome. Like maybe 10 years ago I did a eating contest that was a 1lb burger topped with a fried Mac n cheese patty and 4oz bacon. The side was 2.5lbs of French fries. 20min time limit. I think was called Moe's fat burger lol

 

[Mikereyn513]

You guys don't have fatburger out there? I know it started in L.A. in Inglewood i think. I've seen them out in Vegas too

 

[Rad83]

“2am got the fat burger”

 

[Smont]

You guys don't have fatburger out there? I know it started in L.A. in Inglewood i think. I've seen them out in Vegas too

No, we got a smash burger and five guys which are similar to each other, we got Bobby Flay's burger joint and a Johnny rockets in the casino and then just your regular fast food burgers. Chili's has a pretty good burger actually but I'm pretty sure there secret ingredients are just butter and salt. The rest of there food is just too damn salty, and I normally add salt to stuff

 

[Smont]

Work is canceled today, so I got in touch with a buddy and were gonna go hit the gym this afternoon to do a push workout and 2 light quad exercises (well I'm going light because of my knees he's doing whatever. He normally trains full body 3-4 workouts per week so we gonna hit 2 quad moves with push today and 2 hamstring moves with pull tomorrow. I was thinking about how the gyms crowded during the week now, if I hit everything with some decent volume over the weekend it will make those short push and pull days on Tuesday/Thursday a little more useful. And since I can't use significant weight or volume on my knee in a single session I'm just gonna spread the leg exercises out all over the week, meaning if my legs aren't sore I will be doing some kind of resistance training or rehab type exercises

I'm gonna start with super light leg extensions today and do 5-10sec holds for as many pain free sets as I can. I checked the other day and I can go up to about 50lbs completely pain free.

After that IL do my push day which is 3 chest, 2 shoulders and 2 tricep exercises

Then IL go to the belt drive leg press and knock out a couple 30 rep sets of partials or however deep I can go comfortably. I am using bpc-157 and tb500 on my knee if it matters to anyone.

Breakfast was sausage and eggs witj some cheese and vegetables, coffee and a slice of toast. 900 calories so IL need to be careful the rest of the day seeing how it's only 7am

 

[Smont]

Breakfast was 2 scoops of whey and a coffee
Lunch is chicken, yogurt fruit and vegetables View attachment 233974

Edit: meal 3 wad chicken and vegetables

Meal 4 I had to go pick my daughter up out of town so I stopped at a Asian place and had beef and broccoli with the sauce on the side and a order of steamed shrimp dumplings. Honestly, it wasn't that good for the 700+ calories

Meal 5 was a grilled chicken breast and I made a milkshake with skim fairlife milk, 1/2 scoop whey, a frozen banana and some dark chocolate. Not a bad meal to be honest and it was 69gm protein and only like 500 calories

As a add on to this post and food ideas, at one point in time I was cutting really hard in the hottest part of summer and even tho I was on like 2400 calories, I wasn't hungry very often. I bought a ninja and a regular juicer and I ate like that for a while. Any meal I wasn't super hungry I would eat my serving of protein normal and throw some fruit and vegetables into a juicer or the ninja. Definitely not ideal but it's also a gurentee way to get more nutrients without the food volume. It's more useful on a bulk when you can't eat but training a hour a day 6 days a week with high intensity cardio and working on a construction site with no shade ever will zap your appetite.

Currently I have zero issues with hunger, I'm actually not super hungry till night when I wind down for the day so for no reason other then it will be easier to stick to the diet I'm probably gonna try to structure 50% of my daily calories post workout any time I'm training after 4pm.

Carb backloading I've always felt was a good hack for fatboys who like to overeat at night. Especially if your workouts are at night.

Wake up have a shake, then meat with a small piece of fruit and maybe some vegetables

Before the gym IL have a little 100cal fat free Greek yogurt cup and a banana or pineapple

Intra eaa and glutamine (ran out of creatine,)

Dinner lean meat and rice

And whatever calories are left probably more meat and rice, something high protein, moderate carb and low fat.

Will have macros or more importantly calories figured out on day 7

 

[MrKleen73]

Sounds like quite the plan is shaping up now. I can't wait to see your results.

 

[Mikereyn513]

As a add on to this post and food ideas, at one point in time I was cutting really hard in the hottest part of summer and even tho I was on like 2400 calories, I wasn't hungry very often. I bought a ninja and a regular juicer and I ate like that for a while. Any meal I wasn't super hungry I would eat my serving of protein normal and throw some fruit and vegetables into a juicer or the ninja. Definitely not ideal but it's also a gurentee way to get more nutrients without the food volume. It's more useful on a bulk when you can't eat but training a hour a day 6 days a week with high intensity cardio and working on a construction site with no shade ever will zap your appetite.

Currently I have zero issues with hunger, I'm actually not super hungry till night when I wind down for the day so for no reason other then it will be easier to stick to the diet I'm probably gonna try to structure 50% of my daily calories post workout any time I'm training after 4pm.

Carb backloading I've always felt was a good hack for fatboys who like to overeat at night. Especially if your workouts are at night.

Wake up have a shake, then meat with a small piece of fruit and maybe some vegetables

Before the gym IL have a little 100cal fat free Greek yogurt cup and a banana or pineapple

Intra eaa and glutamine (ran out of creatine,)

Dinner lean meat and rice

And whatever calories are left probably more meat and rice, something high protein, moderate carb and low fat.

Will have macros or more importantly calories figured out on day 7

Carb backloading is a lifesaver for me. It works out too scince i train at night. The cravings would be brutal if I didn't

 

[Mikereyn513]

“2am got the fat burger”

Lol been there done that. I believe the line before that was " drunk as hell" , the only other time fatburger was after last fall's cut when I rebounded over Christmas, got crazy edema but it was worth it

 

[gphagan1]

Looks like you have a good plan….I feel you on the heat, it just drains you and zaps the appetite. My VitaMix blender gets a lot of use when appetite is zapped and need some calories…little protein powder, fruit, a little kale, spinach, and carrots and I’m set.

 

[Smont]

Saturday July 8th 2023 day 4 I think?


Post workout meal- That's a half pound of pork tenderloin that was marinated in some spicy stuff that's probably gonna be really bad on the way back out lol. And 2 cups of white rice. There's some extra sauce thats only 25 cal per tablespoon on top and a little soy sauce.

The workout was really good for the most part. I didn't add much weight from the previous but I pushed for more reps and a few extra exercises.

Knees felt good with the static holds, You would be surprised how hard 40lbs can be on the leg extension when you add static holds and intensity techniques.

After push we went to the leg press machine but my range of motion was too limited so I went to the treadmill and walked a incline while he did his leg presses and calf presses.

Today actually was supposed to be a pull day but I wanted to sync with my boys training a bit so tomorrow will be pull and some hamstrings.

I'm almost over my fat intake for the day after this meal, or at least around where I'd like to limit it, so probably will do a shake with water and fruit next and a small mostly protein dinner.

 

[Smont]

Looks like you have a good plan….I feel you on the heat, it just drains you and zaps the appetite. My VitaMix blender gets a lot of use when appetite is zapped and need some calories…little protein powder, fruit, a little kale, spinach, and carrots and I’m set.

Same, IL do kale or spinach (or both) a bag of frozen berries and then IL throw in a carrot or some pineapple, maybe even watermelon, whatever.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Saturday July 8th 2023 day 4 I think?


Post workout meal- That's a half pound of pork tenderloin that was marinated in some spicy stuff that's probably gonna be really bad on the way back out lol. And 2 cups of white rice. There's some extra sauce thats only 25 cal per tablespoon on top and a little soy sauce. View attachment 234014

The workout was really good for the most part. I didn't add much weight from the previous but I pushed for more reps and a few extra exercises.

Knees felt good with the static holds, You would be surprised how hard 40lbs can be on the leg extension when you add static holds and intensity techniques.

After push we went to the leg press machine but my range of motion was too limited so I went to the treadmill and walked a incline while he did his leg presses and calf presses.

View attachment 234015

Today actually was supposed to be a pull day but I wanted to sync with my boys training a bit so tomorrow will be pull and some hamstrings.

I'm almost over my fat intake for the day after this meal, or at least around where I'd like to limit it, so probably will do a shake with water and fruit next and a small mostly protein dinner.

Looks like pretty much every meal I've eaten for the last 2 years

 

[gphagan1]

Looks like pretty much every meal I've eaten for the last 2 years

Ronnie Coleman said he didn’t eat for pleasure, only for fuel and nutrition.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Ronnie Coleman said he didn’t eat for pleasure, only for fuel and nutrition.

"I don't eat for pleasure, I eat for purpose. And that purpose is to put on muscle" - rich pianna

 

[Wobmarvel]

"I don't eat for pleasure, I eat for purpose. And that purpose is to put on muscle" - rich pianna

Cuts to video of him driving around annoyed because he can't have chipotle or find his favourite flavour of Ben and jerrys

 

[Smont]

I made 9 meals so I could have 3 a day for the next 3 days and do a shake and family dinner to make 5 meals a day. Someone unplugged my mini fridge last night and everything is bad now. I also had about 20 insulin pens I was saving to mess around with sometime later this year and there obviously no good now either. And I gotta work a 9 hr day today.

Well now I gotta get creative today lol.

I got a protein bar and a coffee for meal 1,

some cheese cubes and some deli turkey for my protein source, a small cucumber and a apple for meal 2

Next meal for pre workout IL eat some fruit snd yogurt and do some extra eaas intra workout

I don't know what she plans on for dinner but IL make a pot of rice and do meat and rice and probably meat and rice again for my last meal.

Tomorrow I'm going to a obstacle course Waterpark type thing with the kids. Couple water slides but it's mostly obstacles and zip lines and jumping off little cliff and stuff so hopefully I don't blow anything out but it sounds like a feel active rest day and a good way to wrap up week one. IL avoid the snack stands lol

 

[Hyde]

Tell us how the waterpark fun goes!

 

[Mikereyn513]

So I guess we've switched to this thread from the other one so I'll post this here. Was watching the latest episode of big Paul's weekly blog and Dr. Todd said " superdrol is basically just a better version of anadrol. It's anadrol without the sides." Superdrol is one of the few orals I haven't tried (yet). Anadrol is by far my favorite type of oral with a blow job being a close second. Thoughts or opinions? @Smont @Hyde @MrKleen73 @gphagan1 and anyone else of course

 

[Dustin07]

In for this ride, killer thread!

5'9, I have no target weight to be honest. But once I get below 185 I'm usually loosing more muscle then fat unless I'm on cycle.

For some comparison, here's me around 215
View attachment 233827

And again around 190lbs I believe, this was last summer mid cut for a boxing match View attachment 233826

I'm somewhere in between these 2 right now, 203.7lbs but not training hard at the moment so I'm kinda soft. IL get some new pics up shortly

you maintain crazy vascularity even when you're heavy dude, generally from the pics you post I'd always guess you were like 5% lower bf than you say lol

work really hard in the gym regardless of what it is as long as I'm not risking further injuries and eat enough food to recover and not be miserable.

amen

 

[MrKleen73]

So I guess we've switched to this thread from the other one so I'll post this here. Was watching the latest episode of big Paul's weekly blog and Dr. Todd said " superdrol is basically just a better version of anadrol. It's anadrol without the sides." Superdrol is one of the few orals I haven't tried (yet). Anadrol is by far my favorite type of oral with a blow job being a close second. Thoughts or opinions? @Smont @Hyde @MrKleen73 @gphagan1 and anyone else of course

I don't know about with no sides, but no bloat.

Also, I think we are supposed to keep all of the off topic discussions in his old log. He said he didn't want this one to get completely derailed in an earlier post.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I don't know about with no sides, but no bloat.

Also, I think we are supposed to keep all of the off topic discussions in his old log. He said he didn't want this one to get completely derailed in an earlier post.

Oh my bad will switch to that one then

 

[Smont]

In for this ride, killer thread!



you maintain crazy vascularity even when you're heavy dude, generally from the pics you post I'd always guess you were like 5% lower bf than you say lol



amen

I know, my veins are still present even when I loose my abs, it's weird lol

 

[Dustin07]

I know, my veins are still present even when I loose my abs, it's weird lol

I'm the exact opposite. My abs start popping before my veins lol

 

[Smont]

Tell us how the waterpark fun goes!

It was a absolute downpour. Made a last minute change and went to Dave n busters for lunch and some games and made a short day of it. Got a lot of steps in tho lol.

 

[Smont]

I'm the exact opposite. My abs start popping before my veins lol

When I get really lean I have the cartoon forehead veins by the temples. It's fukin gross looking. I bet when I'm all pumped up leaving the gym it looks like I'm bout to stroke out lol

 

[Dustin07]

 

[Mikereyn513]

When I get really lean I have the cartoon forehead veins by the temples. It's fukin gross looking. I bet when I'm all pumped up leaving the gym it looks like I'm bout to stroke out lol

 

[Smont]

I don't know about with no sides, but no bloat.

Also, I think we are supposed to keep all of the off topic discussions in his old log. He said he didn't want this one to get completely derailed in an earlier post.

It's not a big deal, as long as I can stay on top of updates it will fine. I just have the attention span of a 5 year old so I might end up forgetting what thread I'm in lol

 

[gphagan1]

It's not a big deal, as long as I can stay on top of updates it will fine. I just have the attention span of a 5 year old so I might end up forgetting what thread I'm in lol

Say just as long as no shiny things fly by it’s good. That’s all right all three of my sons have ADHD, but they all are very active, self motivated, and successful, so the strengths that come with it are very useful when aimed in the right direction, kind of like a missile.

 

[Smont]

Tuesday July 11th. 201.8lbs

Definitely not a 6lb fat loss this week, I was around 200-202lbs 2 weeks ago and I was pretty bloated day 1 @207. If anything I'd say it was mostly just water weight this week. I'm running late for work but hopefully tonight IL get some pictures to compare to last week and some food And workout details.

 

[Smont]

If that dosent make sense, the first exercise was chins and trap bar deadlifts supersets. Knee felt ok but a little sketchy. The weight felt light but my knee was questionable I guess you could call it.

I powered through everything with 45sec to 1 min rest so I had a good sweat going long before I started jumping rope or hitting the bag.

It was a very challenging yet enjoyable workout.

Gotta crunch numbers and figure out my average for the week but it looks like 2900ish

 

[LeanEngineer]

View attachment 234133

If that dosent make sense, the first exercise was chins and trap bar deadlifts supersets. Knee felt ok but a little sketchy. The weight felt light but my knee was questionable I guess you could call it.

I powered through everything with 45sec to 1 min rest so I had a good sweat going long before I started jumping rope or hitting the bag.

It was a very challenging yet enjoyable workout.

Gotta crunch numbers and figure out my average for the week but it looks like 2900ish

Trap bar deadlifts are almost like cardio for me

 

[Smont]

Trap bar deadlifts are almost like cardio for me

Supersets with the chins definitely was some cardio. I'm limited to using probably a maximum of 50% weight for my leg stuff on most exercises, and can't get full range of motion on some things but I think if I stay around 185- 225 on trap bar for now I can probably work up a lot of volume.

My caves are big and get a ton of work jumping rope and climbing ladders so no need to train them at the moment but if I can knock out 10 sets of trap bar deads 2x a week and mix some high rep extensions and leg curls I think IL be good and should be ok. 30 total sets over the week. At least until I can start doing more exercises and more load

 

[Mikereyn513]

Supersets with the chins definitely was some cardio. I'm limited to using probably a maximum of 50% weight for my leg stuff on most exercises, and can't get full range of motion on some things but I think if I stay around 185- 225 on trap bar for now I can probably work up a lot of volume.

My caves are big and get a ton of work jumping rope and climbing ladders so no need to train them at the moment but if I can knock out 10 sets of trap bar deads 2x a week and mix some high rep extensions and leg curls I think IL be good and should be ok. 30 total sets over the week. At least until I can start doing more exercises and more load

It seems like I get a lot of calf work done on the stepmill. It's the one bodypart I was for sure genetically gifted with

 

[Smont]

On that note let's catch up on what happened week 1.

Today 200.9
I lost a little over 6lbs but again, it's water weight. The bloat is gone and surprise! I'm still fat lol. Well, I got a gut and the rest of me looks normal. I do feel a bit deflated because I'm in that in-between stage. I'm not lean enough to have a sharp look and being higher bf without being on cycle I just kinda look blah at all times except for post workout for like a hour.

Diet is gonna be 2750 calories per day most days with a protein goal of 250gm a day. I'm not obsessing over macros but I try to keep fats around 80 a day so a average macro breakdown is gonna be something like.
250pro, 250 carbs and 80 fat is 2750 calories

More carbs on training days, less carbs on rest days.

This is not a update picture, it's a week old the day I woke up all bloated @207. It was the first time in a while I woke up and had no abs left lol

3 days later the bloat went down and i was 203 and I'm looking the same today at 200.9 so I didn't think another pic was necessary

My assessment is still that I need to loose about 15lbs of fat, so with no cycle I'm probably gonna end up in the low 180s on this cut. I'm sure as I shrivel up I will start planning a cycle but I will be finishing all 12 weeks of this cut without going on a cycle I'm not gonba stress it, honestly I'm hoping that all the time off and cutting on low calories and a ton of cardio IL be like a fucking sponge coming out of this cut.

Apex guys- I'm definitely gonna grab triton twords week 3/4, any suggestion on what with it? I'm gonna pass on mass shift, I feel like that would be geard more twords a bulk. I got berberine on hand anyways but I shouldn't need it. Looking for something more performance based or something for fat loss

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

Apex guys- I'm definitely gonna grab triton twords week 3/4, any suggestion on what with it? I'm gonna pass on mass shift, I feel like that would be geard more twords a bulk. I got berberine on hand anyways but I shouldn't need it. Looking for something more performance based or something for fat loss

The obvious goto would be Ursa. the combo of the two is much beloved, but beware, some people who are lean actually gain a bit of mass on UM. for strick fat loss I would probably go UM/flashpoint combo, but triton is amazbawls