Ok I haven't been paying attention. Which does everyone like better for test boost?
straight fenugreek also has a negative effect on thyroid hormones as i have read. but i havent found any literature saying whether the same is true with specific extracts from it like testofen, 4-oh, grecunin, trigimanose.
both ar bullsh1t, ther are plenty of threads on here with ppl crying cuz they heard that it makes u lactate, testofen is a potant extract of the fenugreek seed, but fenugreek it self has differnt actions in wemens body thatn mens. if it made u lactate or mesd with yer thyroid u have serious underlying issuesWell, I kind of stay away from fenugreek because I don't want an increase of prolactin...supposedly it raises prolactin...
idk but custom capsule u can get a good deal on 300ct 500mg pills for about 50$So where would we buy bulk testofen?
Primordial sells Phytotest capsules that get good reviewsidk but custom capsule u can get a good deal on 300ct 500mg pills for about 50$
yeah that is one supp ive always heard great things about and wantd to try for ever!Primordial sells Phytotest capsules that get good reviews
so what i said was bull****? i never said that testofen extracts have the same effect on t4 and t3 i only said that was true about full spectrum fenugreek that is not extracted for the testofen or other ext i mentioned.both ar bullsh1t, ther are plenty of threads on here with ppl crying cuz they heard that it makes u lactate, testofen is a potant extract of the fenugreek seed, but fenugreek it self has differnt actions in wemens body thatn mens. if it made u lactate or mesd with yer thyroid u have serious underlying issues
so what i said was bull****? i never said that testofen extracts have the same effect on t4 and t3 i only said that was true about full spectrum fenugreek that is not extracted for the testofen or other ext i mentioned.
INHIBITION OF TRIIODOTHYRONINE PRODUCTION BY FENUGREEK SEED EXTRACT IN MICE AND RATS*1
SUNANDA PANDA, PANKAJ TAHILIANI and ANAND KAR
Thyroid Research Unit, School of Life Sciences, Vigyan Bhawan, D.A. University, Khandwa Road, Indore, 452 017, India
Available online 26 March 2002.
Abstract
The effects of fenugreek seed extract on the alterations in serum thyroid hormone concentrations were studied in adult male mice and rats. Simultaneously, hepatic lipid peroxidation (LPO) and the activities of the antioxidant enzymes, viz superoxide dismutase (SOD) and catalase (CAT) were examined. Administration of methi seed extract (0.11 g kg body wt.−1day−1for 15 days) to both mice and rats significantly decreases serum triiodothyronine (T3) concentration and T3/T4ratio, but increases thyroxine (T4) levels and body weight. While hepatic LPO and CAT activities were not altered, a significant decrease in SOD activity was observed in both the animal models. These findings suggest that fenugreek seed extract induced inhibition in T4to T3conversion is not peroxidation-mediated and the inhibition in SOD activity could be the result of a decrease in the protein anabolic hormone, T3.pc
The combined effects of Trigonella foenum-graecum and Allium sativum extracts were evaluated for their ameliorative potential in the L-thyroxine-induced hyperthyroidic rat model to contribute to an understanding of interaction between the two extracts. The investigation was carried out using two different doses. A comparison was made with the response of individual plant extracts at the previously studied effective dose in adult Wistar rats rendered hyperthyroidic by daily injections of L-thyroxine (300 microg/kg body wt., s.c.). Propylthiouracil (PTU), an antithyroid drug, was used as a reference compound. Alterations in serum triiodothyronine (T3), thyroxine (T4), glucose, hepatic glucose-6-phosphatase (G-6-Pase) and oxygen consumption were studied as end parameters. Superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase (CAT) activities, lipid peroxidation (LPO) and reduced glutathione (GSH) were examined to reveal any toxic effects of the drugs. The combined effects of Trigonella and Allium at 200 and 500 mg/kg body wt. respectively, were equipotent as compared to the individual extracts in lowering the serum concentrations of T3 and T4 in hyperthyroidic rats. Our findings reveal that some plant extracts in combination may not always prove to be synergistic. It is therefore suggested that Trigonella foenum-graecum and Allium sativum extracts may be used individually and not together in the regulation of hyperthyroidism.
Yea but the dose of Divan is...low...TestoPRO contains both testofen and Divanil.
Wonder where that formula came from.TestoPRO contains both testofen and Divanil.
Clarify the question and I will try to answer it.Wonder where that formula came from.
Results have been good from the product. I was just stating that it contained both.Yea but the dose of Divan is...low...
600mg prop blend, 1200mg a day is what you need to take of Divan, and your whole prop blend is 1200mg, and quercetin is in there, which is cheap and needs to be taken at 500-1000mg a day. Idk...just analyzing.
I agree its a good formula I just find it hard to pimp the divan
No reason to answer.. I just know where the formula came from.Clarify the question and I will try to answer it.
I think the synergy between the prop blend ingredients is being underestimated in this statement. Reviews have been stellar. Comparable or better than the OG AX by DS.Yea but the dose of Divan is...low...
600mg prop blend, 1200mg a day is what you need to take of Divan, and your whole prop blend is 1200mg, and quercetin is in there, which is cheap and needs to be taken at 500-1000mg a day. Idk...just analyzing.
I agree its a good formula I just find it hard to pimp the divan
The R & D group that is currently shacked up in the CrowlerCave.Wonder where that formula came from.
Why bring it up then?No reason to answer.. I just know where the formula came from.
Just irritated at some people in the industry, actually not even directed at AI.Why bring it up then?
Yea lots of good feedback indeedResults have been good from the product. I was just stating that it contained both.
I think the synergy between the prop blend ingredients is being underestimated in this statement. Reviews have been stellar. Comparable or better than the OG AX by DS.
Cheer up bro the holiday season is with us.Just irritated at some people in the industry, actually not even directed at AI.
It's not even cold hereCheer up bro the holiday season is with us.
Yes, be thankful for all we have......Cheer up bro the holiday season is with us.
Where are you located? It is cold in Mass.It's not even cold here
bastardLa Florida. I started sweating checking my mail today. Wearing shorts and a T shirt
Its not low. Its where we wanted it.Yea but the dose of Divan is...low...
600mg prop blend, 1200mg a day is what you need to take of Divan, and your whole prop blend is 1200mg, and quercetin is in there, which is cheap and needs to be taken at 500-1000mg a day. Idk...just analyzing.
I agree its a good formula I just find it hard to pimp the divan
They undergo completely different mechanisms in the body, though. The studies done on the Divan show a pretty high dose is needed. I said that the product has gotten good reviews, and we moved on. But if you want to try to get defensive I will by all means prove you wrong and let it be heardIts not low. Its where we wanted it.
Divanil doesnt really need to be taken at doses THAT high to get effects, especially coupled with a full dose of Testofen, which already boosts free testosterone.
There is no reason to include a full dose of Testofen and Divanil in the same product, for a few reasons. The main being once it hit retailers it would be expensive, second, it would be extraneous. You just dont need a full dose of both for it to be effective.
No need to we had moved on this will be the last of the dosage talk as we are both right.They undergo completely different mechanisms in the body, though. The studies done on the Divan show a pretty high dose is needed. I said that the product has gotten good reviews, and we moved on. But if you want to try to get defensive I will by all means prove you wrong and let it be heard
How much were you taking, ED?I would recommend caution when using fenugreek. I added NOW brand fenugreek to a natty stack last fall and about three weeks later I developed a hard knot under my right nipple. I'm almost certain it was the fenugreek. I have used PP's PhytoTest in the past without issue, also without any net gains.
Same happened to me a while back.I would recommend caution when using fenugreek. I added NOW brand fenugreek to a natty stack last fall and about three weeks later I developed a hard knot under my right nipple. I'm almost certain it was the fenugreek. I have used PP's PhytoTest in the past without issue, also without any net gains.
If they told you, they would have to kill you. j/kSame happened to me a while back.
Personally, comparing TestoPro to PhytoTest, I like the phytotest better because it offers more Testofen and a real dose of Methoxy. No prop blend hidden crap.
I just find it weird that the TestoPro shows the testofen dosage, but then hides everything else, you know? Why hide some of it? It could be all quercetin for all I know, which in that case, all that I am getting anabolic effects from is Testofen, at a lower dose that the Phyto.
Agreed. Like i said, i just thought it was weird to show only the testofen lol. Already said like 10 posts ago it gets great reviewsIf they told you, they would have to kill you. j/k
Proprietary blends are not all that uncommon, for obvious reasons.
How much were you taking, ED?
Define "natty stack" please.
Prior 3 months of supps usage to "gyno stack" as well.
Please and thank you.
Thats one hell of stack.My stack included MassFX (6/day), Primal Male (6/day), Drive (6/day) and NOW fenugreek (3/day) dosed three times/day. I have used all of the above products in the past, with the exception of Primal Male and NOW fenugreek, without issue.
Same happened to me a while back.
Personally, comparing TestoPro to PhytoTest, I like the phytotest better because it offers more Testofen and a real dose of Methoxy. No prop blend hidden crap.
I just find it weird that the TestoPro shows the testofen dosage, but then hides everything else, you know? Why hide some of it? It could be all quercetin for all I know, which in that case, all that I am getting anabolic effects from is Testofen, at a lower dose that the Phyto.
Moral of the story is you should only take fenugreek if you're indianIndians have been eating, using and taking fenugreek (methi) for thousands of years without reports of gyno.
On supplement forums, where a large number of members are known to take steroids manufactured in China, there are reports of gyno and lactation from the use of fenugreek.
Makes ya' think...
lol Probably true.Moral of the story is you should only take fenugreek if your indian
That would be similar to stacking TestoPRO with Activate Xtreme, which would be a great stack.So then if I were planning on running 8 weeks of testopro, it might not be a bad idea to pick up divanex and add one capsule (400mg) twice a day?
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