Test Cyp with Keto Diet

allen70

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So I've been reading all night about the keto diet and like everytihng else there are mixed reviews. Some say you can bulk on it and some say you can't. My goal is more of a recomp. I'm sitting at about 220lbs with a 35inch waist, 17.5'' arms and 27'' legs. I'd like to get to 230 with a 32'' waist by the end of my cycle. Tomorrow starts the second week of Test Cyp 500mg and 20mg of methyl vol (superdrol clone). I'm running the test for 12 weeks and methyl vol is a 4 week kickstart. I'm going to be training very hard and I want to pick up my cardio as well so I might be doing TKD unless you guys think CKD would be preferred. Originally I was going to run the keto for 4 weeks or so and then transition to a clean bulk, but if Keto can be manipulated to work for cutting and bulking I may make it a long term plan.

What is the consensus about keto while on a cycle?

Do you guys think a short cut phase followed by clean bulk for the duration of my cycle will be a good idea or should I just run keto the whole time upping calories during the bulk phase?

I appreciate all the help. May turn this into a log with enough interest.

Al
 
I would say just eat clean and get good gains maybe recomp after. i know when i ran test i got leaner and my waist did get smaller while i gained good mass up top and where it counts
 
that's a tough one. have you ever done keto before? i know you can bulk on keto, that's easy but if you've never done keto before and don't know how your body reacts to it then i would advise against it.
 
Haven't done keto before. The diet started out as a carb cycle a little over a week ago but as I read more into diets Keto kept standing out. I think I'm going to have a go at the TKD version at least for a few weeks. If I don't like how it's going I'm just going to eat a **** ton of clean foods and bulk. I'll worry about getting cut later. Will keep ya updated.

Any body else have anything?
 
Just got back from the gym and my strength and energy were great even though I've been on low carbs the past three days. I credit the energy and pump to NanoVapor and a small dose of ephedrine though. If I can maintain workouts like today's I will continue with TKD. I was skimming through Lyle Mcdonald's book earlier and ahve read a little bit more on Keto in general and have a few thoughts in mind for the remainder of my cycle.

I think I'm going to focus on cutting for 4 weeks with TKD. At that point I'm going to assess where I'm at and Ill either keep cutting (doubtful. I hate being small) or bulk up. If I bulk I may still do TKD with higher cals. I'm thinking this might be a good idea if it works because once I am done I will be "carb sensitive". I figure this might come in handy on PCT if I start adding carbs in slowly. Instead of eating like a mad man during PCT in order to keep gains I will add carbs slowly and because of the sensitivity I should be able to maintain. Like I said I have only been reading a short time and have not completely read the guides so if my logic is flawed please point me into the right direction.
 
^^^^^add carbs around workouts....20 to 30 grams before and after. use carbs for a specific purpose not just because the exist. a lot of our diet is for purpose not pleasure otherwise i'd eat pizza 24/7. food is for purpose not pleasure....when i adopted that way of thinking my diet and body started to change for the better.
 
laugh all you guys want but I put on 9lbs on a 2200 keto diet. My avi is like 10 weeks into the cycle and the diet.
 
GeekPoop - That's awesome. I'm happy to hear someone else did the same thing I am doing. Hopefully my results will be similar.

After doing more reading I'm going to do a hybrid of TKD and CKD. I will take in a total of 40grams of carbs (combined) before and during my workouts while keeping them very low throughout the rest of the day. Today I was up past 60grams and have been in ketosis all day. Thursday is going to be legs and Friday will be chest, my two most taxing workouts so right after my Friday workout I am going to do a 12 hour carb load and go back to no carbs Saturday afternoon. After the first 4 weeks I'm going to play around with carb intake a bit and see how high I can go while staying in ketosis. This will help to get my calories up and will give my muscles glycogen and some insulin in order to grow.

Is there anymore interest. If so I'll start logging.
 
what are your carb sources.. im on test and not nessasarly on a keto diet but am eatting about 80-120g of carbs a day and strength and weight is rising..
i eat a cup of oatmeal in the morning.. half serving rice next meal... then either a small serving of oatmeal or rice around both my meals.. having healthy carb sources helps fill me up and helps me stay full between meals.. plus just having a small bowl of oatmeal or half serving of rice at my meals makes it easier on the body.. at one point i was having a half serving of rice with almost every meal after breakfast.. i really doing that .. but since then ive cut down my carbs at night and get them as early as possible
 
I just followed Dave Palumbo's guide for cutting exactly. My carb source was whatever I ate on my cheatmeal so it was usually cake or pancakes ;)
 
My preworkout carbs come from my protein smoothie. In a Keto diet youre supposed to stay away from fructose and sucrose because they replenish liver glycogen, but I didn't have a problem yesterday so I will keep doing it. My smoothie has 50grams of whey isolate, a cup of milk, cup of strawberries, yogurt, and I might add a banana. I try keeping that to 40-50 carbs. While I'm cutting this will be the only meal I am going to have that is a significant source of carbs. When I carb load I will probably keep them to oatmeal and rice like you suggested except on friday night when I have a chicken parm sub. Once I bulk I'll add more carbs and see how high I can get while staying in Ketosis.
 
lennoxchi said:
^^^^^add carbs around workouts....20 to 30 grams before and after. use carbs for a specific purpose not just because the exist. a lot of our diet is for purpose not pleasure otherwise i'd eat pizza 24/7. food is for purpose not pleasure....when i adopted that way of thinking my diet and body started to change for the better.
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allen70 said:
My preworkout carbs come from my protein smoothie. In a Keto diet youre supposed to stay away from fructose and sucrose because they replenish liver glycogen, but I didn't have a problem yesterday so I will keep doing it. My smoothie has 50grams of whey isolate, a cup of milk, cup of strawberries, yogurt, and I might add a banana. I try keeping that to 40-50 carbs. While I'm cutting this will be the only meal I am going to have that is a significant source of carbs. When I carb load I will probably keep them to oatmeal and rice like you suggested except on friday night when I have a chicken parm sub. Once I bulk I'll add more carbs and see how high I can get while staying in Ketosis.
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Stay @50g-100g of COMPLEX CARBS if you need CUT (source especially from veggies) CLEAN PROTEIN and HEALTHY FATS (Omega 3) stay with BCAA 30-40g a day and Glutamine 40g-60g if your training is Hardcore when you eat the carbs use a supplement of Disponsal Glucose or Repartiotioning Agents and your cardio moderate 20-30 min.


Good Luck

P.S. AVOID FRUITS HEALTH AND CLEAN CHO,PRO AND FATS!
 
So here's a little update. I'm in the beginning of week three of the cycle and the second week of keto (first week was carb cycling). So far my weight has fluctuated a great deal. After the first week I was down to 212 from 223, but after carbloading on Friday I went back to 223 and now I'm sitting around 217. I figure the fluctuations are occuring from differences in water intake and fluctuations in carbs. I keep them low enough to stay in ketosis, but the exact amounts vary. The weight doesn't really matter because I've lost about 2'' on my waist and have stayed the same in all areas that count. One of the main reasons I'm cutting is because the love handles were making my lats look like ****. Well as of right now the lats are bigger and the love handles are much smaller so it's going well.
I haven't had any problem with energy in the gym. I do use energy boosters so that might help with lethargy, but my muscular endurance is still good too. I've also been gaining strength. It hasn't been anything dramatic, but they are steady gains. I can't complain about that since I am cutting and restricting my calories by a fairly decent amount.
Summary so far:
- Weight is down a few pounds, but the waist is down 2''. Never calculated bf%, but its got to be down a few points.
- No problems with energy.
- Strength still increasing.

So far all good. Minus the fact that I hate cutting and being under 230ish.
 
So are u doing more of a UD2 diet? Or you just doing keto with a cheat meal or day each wk?

I think starting with a good foundation, going keto and adding anabolics is a very interesting combo
 
allen70 said:
So here's a little update. I'm in the beginning of week three of the cycle and the second week of keto (first week was carb cycling). So far my weight has fluctuated a great deal. After the first week I was down to 212 from 223, but after carbloading on Friday I went back to 223 and now I'm sitting around 217. I figure the fluctuations are occuring from differences in water intake and fluctuations in carbs. I keep them low enough to stay in ketosis, but the exact amounts vary. The weight doesn't really matter because I've lost about 2'' on my waist and have stayed the same in all areas that count. One of the main reasons I'm cutting is because the love handles were making my lats look like ****. Well as of right now the lats are bigger and the love handles are much smaller so it's going well.
I haven't had any problem with energy in the gym. I do use energy boosters so that might help with lethargy, but my muscular endurance is still good too. I've also been gaining strength. It hasn't been anything dramatic, but they are steady gains. I can't complain about that since I am cutting and restricting my calories by a fairly decent amount.
Summary so far:
- Weight is down a few pounds, but the waist is down 2''. Never calculated bf%, but its got to be down a few points.
- No problems with energy.
- Strength still increasing.

So far all good. Minus the fact that I hate cutting and being under 230ish.
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I've been having the same successes with my CKD... I started it in January along with a new workout plan consisting of Heavy Weight / Low Reps...

Since then I've lost 25 LBS and 2" off my waist. I'm considering adding an AAS to the mix at some point after I get everything I'll need and do a bit more research on my options.

I'm loving Keto! The cheat meals really give you something to look forward to, which makes the diet a lot more manageable
 
Naberious said:
I'm loving Keto! The cheat meals really give you something to look forward to, which makes the diet a lot more manageable
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i agree with CKD being a good diet if the carb up is done properly. and you're right that cheat meal is like a little piece of heaven. i ran CKD for 4 weeks and am now trying something different. it's basiclly the same diet but on w/o days i take in 30g of carbs (fruit and 1 slice of bread) before lifting and 40 or so after (oatmeal and banana) it fuels my w/o a little better and keep smy mind a little more sane during the week. i'm trying for single digits this summer, never been that lean before and every year it's going to become harder.....i'm 33 now and i remember hearing from people, when i was in my 20's, "enjoy it now kid cause chances are it won't last".....who would have known they weren't full of crap....and i thought i knew it all back then....:borladuck:
 
lennoxchi said:
i agree with CKD being a good diet if the carb up is done properly. and you're right that cheat meal is like a little piece of heaven. i ran CKD for 4 weeks and am now trying something different. it's basiclly the same diet but on w/o days i take in 30g of carbs (fruit and 1 slice of bread) before lifting and 40 or so after (oatmeal and banana) it fuels my w/o a little better and keep smy mind a little more sane during the week. i'm trying for single digits this summer, never been that lean before and every year it's going to become harder.....i'm 33 now and i remember hearing from people, when i was in my 20's, "enjoy it now kid cause chances are it won't last".....who would have known they weren't full of crap....and i thought i knew it all back then....:borladuck:
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I've been doing something similar as well... I'll stay Keto Mon - Fri, have my cheat meal friday night to recarb and then have moderate carbs / low fat on Saturday and Sunday (lean meat, fruit, veggies). I'm only 23 and it seems like every year that goes by it gets harder and harder to stay in shape... I wish it was as easy as it was in H.S. playing football and lacrosse!:chairfall:
 
Naberious said:
I've been doing something similar as well... I'll stay Keto Mon - Fri, have my cheat meal friday night to recarb and then have moderate carbs / low fat on Saturday and Sunday (lean meat, fruit, veggies). I'm only 23 and it seems like every year that goes by it gets harder and harder to stay in shape... I wish it was as easy as it was in H.S. playing football and lacrosse!:chairfall:
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just wait 10 ore years....it doesn't get easier. but you gain more knowledge, so that's a plus.
 
lennoxchi said:
i agree with CKD being a good diet if the carb up is done properly. and you're right that cheat meal is like a little piece of heaven. i ran CKD for 4 weeks and am now trying something different. it's basiclly the same diet but on w/o days i take in 30g of carbs (fruit and 1 slice of bread) before lifting and 40 or so after (oatmeal and banana) it fuels my w/o a little better and keep smy mind a little more sane during the week. i'm trying for single digits this summer, never been that lean before and every year it's going to become harder.....i'm 33 now and i remember hearing from people, when i was in my 20's, "enjoy it now kid cause chances are it won't last".....who would have known they weren't full of crap....and i thought i knew it all back then....:borladuck:
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Not sure if you know this or not, but the diet you are running now is termed TKD or targeted keto diet. As you said it's very similar except you eat your carbs around workouts to provide the needed energy that some people lose on CKD or plain ol' keto. Normally one wouldn't use a carb up on a basic TKD. They would just eat carbs as you are. I'm running a little bit of a hybrid of both CKD and TKD. My exact diet depends on what I'm working that day. The days I'm working major muscle groups I will eat carbs around workouts (mostly in the form of a protein smoothie). The rest of the days I try to go almost no carbs at all. Then on friday night and saturday morning I will carb up with 200 grams of carbs or so total. Then Sunday afternoon I hit cardio like crazy to get back into ketosis for the rest of the week. Even on the days where I do take in a higher amount of carbs I use test strips everytime I pee to make sure I'm still in ketosis.

It's been working so far. As I said in my update I'm down to about 217 and I've lost a significant amount of bf. Today I was tested on an electrical impedence at 13%. A month or two ago I had my neck and waist measured to calculate bf% and that came to 19%. I think it was a little off though because it wasn't done by a professional or a trainer. I was 223 then. So roughly my weight is down 6lbs, but I'm down 6% body fat. I hope to hit 10%, but I might get impatient and start bulking before then. We'll see.
 
Naberious said:
I've been doing something similar as well... I'll stay Keto Mon - Fri, have my cheat meal friday night to recarb and then have moderate carbs / low fat on Saturday and Sunday (lean meat, fruit, veggies). I'm only 23 and it seems like every year that goes by it gets harder and harder to stay in shape... I wish it was as easy as it was in H.S. playing football and lacrosse!:chairfall:
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I graduated 2nd fattest in my hs so for me it is getting easier and easier ;)

btw also 23 here.

-James
 
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