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Test cyp dosage?

nolasa1972

nolasa1972

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Just had someone tell me that my 250mg/week of cyp is harmful to my health and when I question this I heard no response. I've done tons of research and all that I've read says this is a good 1st cycle dosage. I feel good getting good gains. I'm in week 4 by the way. Dose anyone know why this dosage wouldn't be a good starting point?
 
I don't either it really boggled my mind how this would do more harm than good. I guess in his world a first cycle should be 1000mg/week of cyp. Lol
 
Yeah I'm totally confused. And then ranted about taking hcg and an AI even at this dose. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think 250 will do more than bring my test back to where it was in my 20's. I'm 40 and my bloodwork showed my test was at 236. But I guess I can't say someone's opinion is wrong.
 
This guy just told me that there's no difference between 250mg and 5000mg a week????? WTF is wrong with that guy?
 
250 is a waist run at least 500 the sides will b the same but the results way better especially your first cycle is always the best u shouldve added sum dbol at 30mg to kick u off good
 
It all depends how your body reacts to the drug i highly recommend that u bumb it up to 500mg you wont regret it trust me its your first if u do it right 20-30 lbs should b expected i put on 33 lbs on my first just test 500mg a week 12 weeks
 
You only have one first cycle, and it is amazing. Don't waste it on 250 mg/wk of test. Run 500 mg/wk throughout your cycle. Hell, I once ran a gram of week of Test C along with 600 mg/wk of EQ for several years with no breaks. Now that I am 61, I don't go much over 600 mg/wk of test.
 
I vote 500mg

250 is quite low dose... prolly will do something, but a waste of time and money IMO
 
250 would be a decent first run. Do 200 every 4days and 350 a week would be a good amount for a first run.
I'll probably get some flames for this but, 250 a week will get you super-physiological levels. It's just math. 250 a week of e or c minus the ester is 175 a week. The average man 25-34 years old makes 4-7mgs a day. At max that's about 50 Mgs a week. You're still 3x that at 175. So it will get you up there. Will it get you supra-physiological levels that pile on 20 pounds? No, but is that really a bad thing? I'll take 8-12 I can hold onto over 20 that I have to struggle to maintain.
 
I'm just into my first cycle on test e which is similar. Everyone I've talked to and everyone who has offered advice said 250 mgs twice a week is the way to go. Hope this helps
 
GLHF said:
That sounds fukn awesome lol. Anything else
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Make sure you run an AI, and a good liver sup. Now that I am older, I can't handle the methylated orals very well. I am wanting to experiment with injecting one of the new DS compounds. I home brew my own gear. I can make 500 mls of Test Cyp at 200mg/ml for around $200.
 
Also, if you are going to run EQ at high levels, your RBC count will go up. I make sure to donate blood every two months to keep RBC levels in check.
 
BEASTZ6 said:
Make sure you run an AI, and a good liver sup. Now that I am older, I can't handle the methylated orals very well. I am wanting to experiment with injecting one of the new DS compounds. I home brew my own gear. I can make 500 mls of Test Cyp at 200mg/ml for around $200.
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Home brewing is the way to go. It's so cheap compared to what places charge! I'd love to run the injectable superdrol, looks very interesting.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Home brewing is the way to go. It's so cheap compared to what places charge! I'd love to run the injectable superdrol, looks very interesting.
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Why? It would have the same effects as oral SD. Anything with a 17a is pointless to pin as it'll have the same effects as oral.
 
Rodja said:
Why? It would have the same effects as oral SD. Anything with a 17a is pointless to pin as it'll have the same effects as oral.
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Im just curious about it because its new, sd doesn't hit me for over a week, I wonder if the IM administration would make the effects instantaneous or if it would still take awhile to get kicking. Either way I love SD and would like to give it a shot.
 
It would avoid 1st pass and you could theoretically run it twice as long. Same idea as with the transdermal products, 1 pass so double the cycle length of the oral.
 
Mr.Sinister said:
It would avoid 1st pass and you could theoretically run it twice as long. Same idea as with the transdermal products, 1 pass so double the cycle length of the oral.
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Avoiding the first pass doesn't mean it does not go trough liver. What ever the administration route would be a methylated steroid is liver toxic. You must not run it for longer periods or higher dose.
 
Rostam said:
Avoiding the first pass doesn't mean it does not go trough liver. What ever the administration route would be a methylated steroid is liver toxic. You must not run it for longer periods or higher dose.
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Injectable dbol is still methylated so it is still liver toxic. That being said if the injectable version of superdrol is methylated the user will only be able to run it as long as they did when on the oral version. Sorry to burst your bubble but there would be no benefit to running an injectable version of SD other then the fact that you wouldn't need to take pills .

Long story short I agree with rostam
 
Listen bud I don't want to be a dicc but you are talking out of your a$$. It does not matter if it is injected or taken orally it is just as toxic. When you inject this steroid it will still need to go under de-alkylation or de-methylation in order to be active on the cellular level. This can only be done in the liver so it doesn't by pass the liver.

Now for the oral. When you take the oral it will go under a chemical altercation to become hydrophilic or water soluble. This will allow the intestine to take the chemical into the blood but it would still have to go under the de-methylation in order to take affect in the cell. Once it is de-methylated through the liver, it will be lipophilic or fat soluble. That is what allows it to have anabolic effect at the cellular level because without being lipophilic it will never be able to enter the cell. If it can't enter the cell it can't affect the muscle duh!!

So now you know .
 
By taking the oral it allows your igf to spike which can be a benefit in almost all cases.

O and one more thing. It will still have the 8 hour half life so, if you want to keep blood levels stable you will need to inject at least twice a day and even then if wouldn't be ideal. And the pip will be worse than other compounds from my research .
 
Mr.Sinister said:
It would avoid two trips through the liver, approximately half the toxicity.
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It does not make it less toxic, but it could possibly make it stronger than oral version mg for mg. I think that's what you're thinking of.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
It does not make it less toxic, but it could possibly make it stronger than oral version mg for mg. I think that's what you're thinking of.
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I agree. It will be stronger because all of it will make it into the blood were when the oral version is soaked up in the intestine some can be wasted.
 
Mr.Sinister said:
Too bad you are a dick and I don't really care what you think. It matters not. You are simply wrong.
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I guess my college professor taught my anatomy and biology courses wrong. Funny thing is my buddy who is a doctor agree with what I said .
 
nolasa1972 said:
Just had someone tell me that my 250mg/week of cyp is harmful to my health and when I question this I heard no response. I've done tons of research and all that I've read says this is a good 1st cycle dosage. I feel good getting good gains. I'm in week 4 by the way. Dose anyone know why this dosage wouldn't be a good starting point?
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250mg a week is almost HRT , its bearly even a cycle. I would have said 400mg ew ATLEAST IMO.

anything can be hazardous to your health.. more so the Pro-h crap spewed and hyped all over this place is more harmful then a simple test cycle...

cycle:
wk1-12 400mg test ew
wk1-13 AI: dex 0.25-0.5mg eod
wk14-18 PCT: 35-50mg Clomid ed and 20mf tamox ed.

done!
:-)
 
Also you need to do ALOT more research so you knwo what you are doing, you dont sound like you do... no offence
 
Montego1 said:
My Dr prescribes 250mg a week. I love that man.

But yes 75-100 is normal
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yeah not everyone reacts the same with the same given test dose. some peopel blood levels are good with 75mg ew while others are on 150mg ew. over 200 is on the highe rend, and for many almost a "cycle" whole others its just enough.
 
Viking23 said:
Listen bud I don't want to be a dicc but you are talking out of your a$$. It does not matter if it is injected or taken orally it is just as toxic. When you inject this steroid it will still need to go under de-alkylation or de-methylation in order to be active on the cellular level. This can only be done in the liver so it doesn't by pass the liver.

Now for the oral. When you take the oral it will go under a chemical altercation to become hydrophilic or water soluble. This will allow the intestine to take the chemical into the blood but it would still have to go under the de-methylation in order to take affect in the cell. Once it is de-methylated through the liver, it will be lipophilic or fat soluble. That is what allows it to have anabolic effect at the cellular level because without being lipophilic it will never be able to enter the cell. If it can't enter the cell it can't affect the muscle duh!!

So now you know .
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you ARE WRONG.. its a joke you think that...
Specially having many years of research this area... you are in fact wrong believe it or not.. orals are liver toxic, test inject is not. ( just because the liver or some other area in the body metabolizes a compound doesnt automatically make it toxic in that area.. common man thats basic.. orals are much harsher. most injectables are not. that is FACT backed by many studies. i wont waste any more of my time on you though, research it for yourself...
 
Viking23 said:
Injectable dbol is still methylated so it is still liver toxic. That being said if the injectable version of superdrol is methylated the user will only be able to run it as long as they did when on the oral version. Sorry to burst your bubble but there would be no benefit to running an injectable version of SD other then the fact that you wouldn't need to take pills .

Long story short I agree with rostam
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actually inject-able dbol with out the methylation is EQ!!! EXACT same compound as Dbol WITHOUT methylation.
but yes if you have methyl-dbol and inject it is IS still liver toxic and oral inject or by mouth both are liver toxic and are just about as toxic IMO. I think its dumb to inject methyls like winny or dbol... might as well take by mouth, its toxic. i about methyls anyway...
 
Mr.Sinister said:
It would avoid 1st pass and you could theoretically run it twice as long. Same idea as with the transdermal products, 1 pass so double the cycle length of the oral.
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but it passes multiple times man, so what about the first time, its still toxic.. if toxic is your worry then dont use it. its still almost as toxic to inject methyl oral or to take orally, dont kid yourself...
 
Viking23 said:
Listen bud I don't want to be a dicc but you are talking out of your a$$. It does not matter if it is injected or taken orally it is just as toxic. When you inject this steroid it will still need to go under de-alkylation or de-methylation in order to be active on the cellular level. This can only be done in the liver so it doesn't by pass the liver.

Now for the oral. When you take the oral it will go under a chemical altercation to become hydrophilic or water soluble. This will allow the intestine to take the chemical into the blood but it would still have to go under the de-methylation in order to take affect in the cell. Once it is de-methylated through the liver, it will be lipophilic or fat soluble. That is what allows it to have anabolic effect at the cellular level because without being lipophilic it will never be able to enter the cell. If it can't enter the cell it can't affect the muscle duh!!

So now you know .
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Sorry I thought you were talking about injectables in general. not inject methyls. its nto AS toxic, but pretty much just as bad. I can agree here...
 
Blergs said:
Sorry I thought you were talking about injectables in general. not inject methyls. its nto AS toxic, but pretty much just as bad. I can agree here...
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Yeah I was just talking about injectable methyls. I can understand why people believe that the liver would be damaged more from orals but the oral is broken down by bile and bile is used to break down fats so the production of bile is not what damages the liver. What damages the liver is when the body has to alter the substance in the blood as well as the removal from the blood if I remember correctly.
I just want to throw in that when you consume orals you should eat something high in fat content or take fish oils with them to allow the liver to produce more bile allowing for a better breakdown of the pill and also increasing the absorption in the intestines
 
Think of test c just as test e they have almost the same half life. I personally dose both at 500mg EW.
 
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