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sns8778 said:
Not many brands, unless its part of their marketing, really care about the WADA list because there are so many things on it that you wouldn't necessarily think of. For example, DHEA and 7-Keto DHEA; Colostrum was on it until a couple years ago and is still on the NCAA list.

It's funny because people think of Glycerol Monostearate (GMS) like in CL GlycerGrow as the first glycerol products, but Twinlab made a liquid glycerol all the way back in the 90's.

Here's kind of an abbreviated timeline:
  • Twinlab offers liquid glycerol in the 90's; only really popular with bodybuilders for contest time.
  • Glycerol Monostearate (GMS) becomes popular but clumps badly and goes rancid easily.
  • GlycerPump becomes popular as the first advancement that supposedly doesn't clump - it does; maybe not as bad as GMS, but it did clump. Many brands lost a lot of money due to returns.
  • Another branded one comes out, claims to not clump - it does. Many brands lost money due to returns.
  • HydroPrime comes out, claims to not clump - it doesn't as bad as some of the other ones, but still does some, especially if mixed with certain other ingredients. Returns are a problem but not as bad.
  • At this point, many brands have lost so much on returns from glycerol products that they're petty much like screw this ingredient. The problem is, some consumers still like it and want it.
  • You see a brand or two offer a liquid glycerol and other brands say 'eh, no returns on this type and we can sell it along with our pre and not worry about the pre clumping' and boom, here we are.
  • However, there are actually not that many liquid contract manufacturers that make it, so it becomes kind of a commodity and every brand and their brother start to do one and it becomes saturated.
From an inside the industry perspective, its like a funny dejavu because we're back where we were in the 90's lol.
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Damn, for sure learned something, yeah I was born in 94 so before my time lol, you might have to share some old 90s stories of supplements, I bet it was wild times. had no clue liquid glycerol came out that early. Also I bet the dejavu isn’t exciting when trying to be innovative. In that case maybe pass on the glycerol, sounds like it may be more hassle than worth.
 
Thx for all the information regarding Liquid Glycerol. Only make one if you truly feel it's worthwhile. I'm fine using the other options on the market. But if you do make one I know it would be worth it.

I just started using it pre and really like how it adds to fullness overall. It might help with endurance but hard to tell as the Senactiv XT always handles that and then some.

Doesn't seem to bother my stomach, but good to know about that side effect.
 
Ya I'm not entirely convinced it is of a huge benefit for lots of people, but still interested.

I think it is interesting in the way it is supposedly beneficial, but I think people overlook that it does also contain a decent caloric load (if they care) and tons of the beneficial research is in heat regulation (which is why I particularly am interested and always have interest each year as summer approaches).
 
Resolve10 said:
Ya I'm not entirely convinced it is of a huge benefit for lots of people, but still interested.

I think it is interesting in the way it is supposedly beneficial, but I think people overlook that it does also contain a decent caloric load (if they care) and tons of the beneficial research is in heat regulation (which is why I particularly am interested and always have interest each year as summer approaches)
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I noticeably sweat less, by a lot. I’m relooking at benefits and it claims to help with constipation which makes me feel crazy, but when I was doing 20-25 grams a day (2 separate doses, 15g pre workout morning, 5-10g pre yoga at night) I got constipated, maybe I wasn’t drinking enough water, but I do drink about a gallon a day, so I figured it was enough.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
Damn, for sure learned something, yeah I was born in 94 so before my time lol, you might have to share some old 90s stories of supplements, I bet it was wild times. had no clue liquid glycerol came out that early. Also I bet the dejavu isn’t exciting when trying to be innovative. In that case maybe pass on the glycerol, sounds like it may be more hassle than worth.
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Twinlab was one of the major brands back then and they did put out good products for the time period. But back then, people didn't care as much about pumps, so their liquid glycerol was used mainly by bodybuilders for contest time.

Glycerol ingredients in pre's is definitely a pain bc it almost always is going to clump.

Liquid glycerol isn't really a pain - just requires a high MOQ if you do anything unique and original.
 
Segansational said:
Actually, also would be interested in MCT powder or oil from you.
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Working on something very interesting that will be much better than standard MCT's :)
 
Segansational said:
Everything that's old eventually becomes new again. It's like fashion trends. 90s is long enough now that the new generations weren't around for it. Just means we're old!

I can't remember if I've asked, but any thoughts on a straight carb powder? Preferably just unflavored. I know that we talked a bit about a blend of purple sweet potato one. Any more movement on something like this, Carb10, HBCD, etc.?

It's one of those items that's a staple that I still can't get from you yet @sns8778. Eventually, I'll be able to grab your multi, your intra, I can already get creatine from you. So only the carb powder & maybe an omega3 product is needed for me to go almost all SNS.
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The purple sweet potato one we got flavor samples in and the only way to not stain your mouth purple is to have a lot less purple sweet potato in it than we wanted to. Business wise, I think it would be a nightmare and would likely have a lot of people want to return it. It's one that I may do a small run of at some point just to see though.

I would like to do a HBCD or HBCD/Carb10 product. It just kind of got put back behind other stuff.

Thanks. The multi is in, just waiting for its place in the release lineup.

I want to do an Algal Oil and thought about doing a high potency enteric coated fish oil.
 
For me... fish oil is not a nice to have. It's a MUST have. This is going to sound WAY over the top, but 6g fish oil all but cleared up psoriasis, greatly improved my allergies (I went from almost daily misery in the spring/summer to 1-2 bad days a YEAR). It took a good 4-6 months to start working. But has been amazing. I'd be VERY interested to see what you come up with on that front.
 
Resolve10 said:
Ya I'm not entirely convinced it is of a huge benefit for lots of people, but still interested.

I think it is interesting in the way it is supposedly beneficial, but I think people overlook that it does also contain a decent caloric load (if they care) and tons of the beneficial research is in heat regulation (which is why I particularly am interested and always have interest each year as summer approaches).
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That's interesting about the heat. I seem to sweat more since adding it in but it's probably one of the other ingredients in pump sauce...

...but I remember using the powder in my intra that was just EAA and Peptopro and had the same reaction.
 
jfigliuolo said:
For me... fish oil is not a nice to have. It's a MUST have. This is going to sound WAY over the top, but 6g fish oil all but cleared up psoriasis, greatly improved my allergies (I went from almost daily misery in the spring/summer to 1-2 bad days a YEAR). It took a good 4-6 months to start working. But has been amazing. I'd be VERY interested to see what you come up with on that front.
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My reply isn't directly to you, just using your post as an example to build off of.

The reason we haven't done a fish oil yet is because the market is just saturated and a lot of people view it as just fish oil rather than looking at the EPA/DHA content, which are the active constituents.

I know for some people it doesn't matter and they'll swallow 6 to 10 softgels per day and not think anything of it, but a lot of people are only going to take let's say 2 or 4 regardless - and for those, the EPA/DHA content is very important.

I'll use NOW Foods as an example since they're a brand I respect and they make 2 different ones that have dramatically very different potencies:
  • NOW Foods Fish Oil - 1,000 mg. fish oil per softgel supplies 180 mg. EPA/120 mg. DHA per softgel
  • NOW Foods Ultra Omega - 1,000 mg. fish oil per softgel supplies 500 mg. EPA/250 mg. DHA
In the above scenario, a person that takes 3,000 mg. of Fish Oil per day is getting a completely different world of active ingredients, but a lot of people don't realize it.

So as a brand, if we make a standard typical one, its really no different than anyone else's bc people usually just buy whatever fish oil is the cheapest. But if we make a super great high potency one, the problem is the average person has no idea about the active constituent difference so they would just view it as overpriced.

That's why it hasn't been something we've prioritized bc its kind of a danged if you do, danged if you don't type of thing.

Definitely want to do one, just explaining for anyone interested in learning more, some things about fish oil that a lot of people don't realize.
 
This is mainly for the name/idea, mainly for fun because I thought of a cool name for it.

It’s called “NAT-TEA”


The idea for ingredients is

Epicatechin

Vasoflo

Purpleforce



I know it’s basically epiplex, but added Purpleforce. I am by no means an ingredient expert, and I’ve actuallly never taken Purpleforce before, so the main driving factor behind this is the name idea lol. Oh and if the idea ever was considered, please make it from CEL, I stand by what I said earlier about how much I love the new CEL bottle/color scheme. Literally looks amazing to me.
 
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3ChainedAminos said:
This is mainly for the name/idea, mainly for fun because I thought of a cool name for it.

It’s called “NAT-TEA”


The idea for ingredients is

Epicatechin

Vasoflo

Purpleforce



I know it’s basically epiplex, but added Purpleforce. I am by no means an ingredient expert, and I’ve actuallly never taken Purpleforce before, so the main driving factor behind this is the name idea lol. Oh and if the idea ever was considered, please make it from CEL, I stand by what I said earlier about how much I love the new CEL bottle/color scheme. Literally looks amazing to me.
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The general idea of some sort of 'tea powered' supp would actually be pretty cool. Plenty of ingredients could be argued over for inclusion haha.

Be curious to hear Steve's thoughts on PurpleForce though... I've seen it before looking over Maypro's ingredient portfolio. Sounds interesting, but I don't think I've really seen it included in any products.
 
baldwanus said:
The general idea of some sort of 'tea powered' supp would actually be pretty cool. Plenty of ingredients could be argued over for inclusion haha.

Be curious to hear Steve's thoughts on PurpleForce though... I've seen it before looking over Maypro's ingredient portfolio. Sounds interesting, but I don't think I've really seen it included in any products.
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Yeah I thought the name was creative lol, but I’ve only seen purpleforce in a couple blends, no standalones, from what I have seen so far. I did see priceplows article on it and it does seem interesting.
 
baldwanus said:
The general idea of some sort of 'tea powered' supp would actually be pretty cool. Plenty of ingredients could be argued over for inclusion haha.

Be curious to hear Steve's thoughts on PurpleForce though... I've seen it before looking over Maypro's ingredient portfolio. Sounds interesting, but I don't think I've really seen it included in any products.
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That ingredient has been around for a lot longer than most people realize - just never had any demand for it; actually had never had a single person ever mention it before.

I had thought about it at one time, but for the price of it, there were just always other things that I liked the idea of including better.
 
sns8778 said:
That ingredient has been around for a lot longer than most people realize - just never had any demand for it; actually had never had a single person ever mention it before.

I had thought about it at one time, but for the price of it, there were just always other things that I liked the idea of including better.
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yeah makes sense. I mean if you aren’t feeling it I trust you. It’s been a thought because I’m a big fan of the non hormonal stuff, and when I came up with the supplement name it seemed like the only other option. I know epicatechin comes from cocoa too, so maybe it wasn’t as good of a name as I thought lol. When I first thought of it, I was ready to start signing autographs.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
yeah makes sense. I mean if you aren’t feeling it I trust you. It’s been a thought because I’m a big fan of the non hormonal stuff, and when I came up with the supplement name it seemed like the only other option. I know epicatechin comes from cocoa too, so maybe it wasn’t as good of a name as I thought lol. When I first thought of it, I was ready to start signing autographs.
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I think the naming idea was clever.

Epicatechin can come from cocoa or green tea, so the naming idea works in theory.

Then VasoFlo+ is a green tea and black tea extract.

It's a cool thought process.

Purpleforce would make sense since it is tea derived, which is funny because I don't think most people, even people that have heard of it, realize that it is tea derived.

The downside is that as you said, its so similar to Epi-Plex so if we ever did something like this, I don't think it would wind up under CEL.

You have me trying to think of any more tea derived ingredients haha.
 
sns8778 said:
I think the naming idea was clever.

Epicatechin can come from cocoa or green tea, so the naming idea works in theory.

Then VasoFlo+ is a green tea and black tea extract.

It's a cool thought process.

Purpleforce would make sense since it is tea derived, which is funny because I don't think most people, even people that have heard of it, realize that it is tea derived.

The downside is that as you said, its so similar to Epi-Plex so if we ever did something like this, I don't think it would wind up under CEL.

You have me trying to think of any more tea derived ingredients haha.
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Shoot maybe a new supplement isn’t ideal but if epiplex ever gets a facelift/ updated bottle it could have a rename too. Because I’m really not joking, the new CEL bottles look amazing to me. Obviously a supplement should never be chosen solely by the way it looks, but if you are already buying it, AND it looks amazing, it’s like a cherry on top.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
Shoot maybe a new supplement isn’t ideal but if epiplex ever gets a facelift/ updated bottle it could have a rename too. Because I’m really not joking, the new CEL bottles look amazing to me. Obviously a supplement should never be chosen solely by the way it looks, but if you are already buying it, AND it looks amazing, it’s like a cherry on top.
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Thanks. I'm really glad that you like the new label style so much. I do think that we will be changing over a lot of the CEL labels to that style as we run out of labels over time. One thing about that style is it isn't very suitable for long names like LipoVantage - we've had our graphic artist playing around with ideas for that.

Epi-Plex sells too well to ever want to rename it. And I intentionally want to keep it on the simpler side and not add too much to it because we actually get some people that buy it because of certain medical conditions - and fancying it up would cause an issue for them.

I agree - in theory the looks shouldn't be a big factor, but it really is. The silver lids on the Health Series products make them stand out, and the look of Lean GLP, Pepti-Bolic, etc. help them stand out. Muscle Addiction sells well in brick and mortars for that reason - the blue and green really stand out on a shelf.

If we ever did do a tea based idea, would be cool if could think of a few more tea based ingredients to all put together.
 
Resolve10 said:
I’ve been interested in liquid glycerol testing this summer and for whatever it is worth if SNS doesn’t have one I’m likely just buying one that is just glycerol, I’m not looking for a bunch of extra (nor have any I seen seemed enticing based on extras)
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For pumps?
 
A beta-lactolin supplement would be nice. I think it would stack great with other products too; especially Elite Choline. I rely on that for stress management and think the addition of beta-lactolin would be great.

EDIT: Looked deep for any product claiming to include it. Only thing I could find was the company that discovered it; but their products are only in Japan from what I could find.

So seems this could be a product you would bring to the market before others. The more I look into it, the more interested I am.
 
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ironfiend22 said:
I would be interested in a product to improve nerve function
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Spermidine may help with that….my wife has MS and Spermidine helps the mitochondria and we take PEA Relief and Curcumine that helps with inflammation. I’m sure Steve could recommend other products as well.
 
ironfiend22 said:
I would be interested in a product to improve nerve function
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PEA Relief is excellent for nerve pain, sciatica, etc.

As @gphagan1 mentioned, Spermidine XT may be very beneficial for that also, along with a lot of other things.

CurcuPrime Gel is very good at localized relief. I use that on my leg where I have nerve damage where the tibia came out through my calf muscle.

I had thought about doing a nerve support product and may in the future.
 
sns8778 said:
PEA Relief is excellent for nerve pain, sciatica, etc.

As @gphagan1 mentioned, Spermidine XT may be very beneficial for that also, along with a lot of other things.

CurcuPrime Gel is very good at localized relief. I use that on my leg where I have nerve damage where the tibia came out through my calf muscle.

I had thought about doing a nerve support product and may in the future.
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You know what, this reminds me i think I have some curcuprime sitting in my cabinet unopened I should start using...
 
BASIS would be worth trying for improved nerves. It's made nagging pains a thing of the past so far. Knee and shoulder.
 
Brianmc83 said:
I need a focus XT update! Please tell me it's coming back ASAP.
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The flavors should start coming back in stock within the next few weeks.

I really won't know much more of an update until they get here though.
 
Just finished a month of this stack with some other supplements. I’ve stacked Alpha gel with L carn gel before and they are some of my favourite supps. I’m experimenting with another ‘form’ of L carnitine currently. I’ve lost about 2kg BUT..I look leaner than ever. I’ve been applying the fat loss gels on my outer legs and love handles and I look so slim there. I wish I had ordered a three months supply straight away but now I have to wait. I will order more but also for the first time I shall try an SNS/CEL anabolic, preferably something geared more towards fat loss/recomp. I’m thinking about Basis.
 

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Ziyo said:
Just finished a month of this stack with some other supplements. I’ve stacked Alpha gel with L carn gel before and they are some of my favourite supps. I’m experimenting with another ‘form’ of L carnitine currently. I’ve lost about 2kg BUT..I look leaner than ever. I’ve been applying the fat loss gels on my outer legs and love handles and I look so slim there. I wish I had ordered a three months supply straight away but now I have to wait. I will order more but also for the first time I shall try an SNS/CEL anabolic, preferably something geared more towards fat loss/recomp. I’m thinking about Basis.
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I'm really glad that you enjoyed that stack.

We will be starting an Easter Sale that will apply to XPG products too, probably tomorrow.

I think that BASIS would be great to stack with that stack, and Recomp20 would be as well. I really think that BASIS and Recomp20 are going to stack very well together.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm really glad that you enjoyed that stack.

We will be starting an Easter Sale that will apply to XPG products too, probably tomorrow.

I think that BASIS would be great to stack with that stack, and Recomp20 would be as well. I really think that BASIS and Recomp20 are going to stack very well together.
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Thanks Steve,
I’m even eyeing down Anabolic XT
 
Ziyo said:
Thanks Steve,
I’m even eyeing down Anabolic XT
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Anabolic XT is my overall favorite product because its good for so many things.

I'm looking forward to doing a pretty big stack when I can get back to training regularly. My plan is Anabolic XT, Anabolic Effect, BASIS, Recomp20, Prime XT, Alpha One, and Pepti-Bolic - I have some making up for lost time to do.
 
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