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Joshlm69 said:
Is there still a product in the pipeline for Eye health?
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Yes, there will be. The formula is done, there's just a lot of things in front of it.

We've had great feedback on C3G XT for vision health too.
 
Shadowblaze said:
It is possible, its molecular weight is under 500.
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There's a lot more that's involved in a topical product than the molecular weight. The mw is a good starting point, but there's a lot more to it than just that.

I know of several things that by weight should be easy to work with that really aren't for other reasons.

I had actually considered a Beta Ecdysterone one at one time a couple years ago; we even had labels done for it and we just never moved forward on it bc there wasn't mush demand it didn't seem like.
 
I suggested this a long time ago and you said that you will give it some thought. Having an SNS bee ingredient product would be great, apilarnil, bee pollen, royal jelly, bee propolis and drone milk have a ton of health benefits. They also have some test boosting properties though if you make a bee product it would probably be mainly for the overall health benefits.

The one that I find the most interesting is Drone milk, it contains 2 fatty acids that have been proven to have an anabolic androgenic effect. They are called Methyl Oleate and Methyl palimate. I included some links and screenshots from research I have done about these. The only supplement company I know that uses Methyl palimate and methyl oleate has an article on these, but I try not to mention other brands in your sub so I wont include that link.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ternative_to_Testosterone_Replacement_Therapy

Drone milk: boosts testosterone and has an anabolic effect too – IronMag Bodybuilding & Fitness Blog

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Honey Bee Drone Milk Boosts Test & Anabolic - Steroidal.com

It has long been suspected in Eastern European countries that drone milk has an aphrodisiac effect. We look at the data supporting it boosting testosterone and being anabolic.
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Matrixxx1984 said:
КHow about topical geranylgeraniol?
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All of the studies I'm aware of on that ingredient for health and muscle purposes are on oral dosing, and American River has numerous patents on it.

If we were going to do anything with that ingredient, it would be the branded form to ensure quality and that it was made correctly, and so that we could correctly use the data from the studies.
 
Shadowblaze said:
Have you considered making a supplement with maslinic acid? I heard it's similar to ursolic acid.
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I looked into it at one time. I haven't checked on it in awhile, but when I did, the raw material percentage was very low and the price was very high. I'll check on it again.

That's another issue though - I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near as effective as Ursa-Bolic.
 
Blasphemon said:
Steve - could you share any info about upcoming BASIS from CEL ? :>
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I plan on starting to do some of the ingredient teasers in the next few days on social media.

I've been trying to get finished up on the write up and some articles explaining the concepts; just been swamped with the others and have been having to prioritize the immediate release ones.

Do you follow us on social? Reason I ask is that's where we will be doing the ingredient reveals.
 
Really impressed with all the new releases….my stash keeps growing, but that’s ok keep them coming.
I noticed on the list in the beginning of the thread that Multi XT was one of the products coming this year. I’ve been hoping you would bring a good Multi to the market. Hopefully that will be one of the products in the new release thread soon.😎👍
 
gphagan1 said:
Really impressed with all the new releases….my stash keeps growing, but that’s ok keep them coming.
I noticed on the list in the beginning of the thread that Multi XT was one of the products coming this year. I’ve been hoping you would bring a good Multi to the market. Hopefully that will be one of the products in the new release thread soon.😎👍
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Thank you. Yes, Multi XT is actually here. Just determining where it will fall in the new release lineup.

If you want to order some before it launches, you're welcome to. Just message me.
 
I'd like to see Alpha 1 in 500mg dosage, for those poor SOB's that want take more than 1 a day but can't :(

(I know it's a tiny segment and not worth doing.) :) Honestly who knows if it would even make a difference.
 
Any hints about Cordarine's ETA? Like say, if a guy was gonna be placing an order towards the end of this month/beginning of April to be stacking with LeanGLP, would his dreams come true? :LOL:
 
baldwanus said:
Any hints about Cordarine's ETA? Like say, if a guy was gonna be placing an order towards the end of this month/beginning of April to be stacking with LeanGLP, would his dreams come true? :LOL:
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Not if that guy was trying to buy it from a retailer or through the site, but if that guy happened to know a guy that he could message that would sell it to him before the official release, then his dreams could very well come true any time he wanted them to ;)
 
sns8778 said:
There are a few other ideas that we've been asked for that we are considering.

A few of them are:
  • A Liquid Carnitine product
  • A Liquid Glycerol product
  • A HydroPrime Glycerol Powder
There are more that are in consideration, but those are some I'm trying to decide on very shortly.
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Any updates on the above? Currently using Pump Sauce and Gaspari L carn.
 
I’ve actually heard a lot of good feedback on the XPG L-Carnitine gel. Of course it’s a transdermal, but I hear it’s very comparable to injectable, and it has PLCAR in it.😎👍
 
Danksta710 said:
Any updates on the above? Currently using Pump Sauce and Gaspari L carn.
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Not a lot of people seemed very interested in them.

Liquid L-Carnitine is popular, but it seems like the ones that have additional things added to them really don't sell well; and XPG L-Carnitine Gel is a lot more effective.

I'm still open to it if enough people ever seem interested though.
 
If you could do a liquid glycerol with some nice add-ons nobody else offers, I think that would be worth it.

Key being add-on(s). Right now liquid glycerol is everywhere and it seems like it's all pretty much the same.
 
BigGame84 said:
If you could do a liquid glycerol with some nice add-ons nobody else offers, I think that would be worth it.

Key being add-on(s). Right now liquid glycerol is everywhere and it seems like it's all pretty much the same.
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I thought about that. The weird thing with liquid supplements is that people just always seem to buy the basics.

Like with Liquid Carnitine, the ones that sell are the cheapest basic L-Carnitines; generally not the ones with other things added into them.

I think its a good chance it would be the same with Liquid Glycerol; but I'd be open to trying it if there's enough interest. I've had some cool ideas that would go well with one, but there would have to be some stability testing with some of them to make sure the ideas were feasible.
 
Resolve10 said:
I’ve been interested in liquid glycerol testing this summer and for whatever it is worth if SNS doesn’t have one I’m likely just buying one that is just glycerol, I’m not looking for a bunch of extra (nor have any I seen seemed enticing based on extras).
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IMO, the market is just over-saturated right now with liquid glycerol.

It's always been around, but seems like it has gained much more popularity recently. It's effective, assuming you drink enough water.
 
BigGame84 said:
IMO, the market is just over-saturated right now with liquid glycerol.

It's always been around, but seems like it has gained much more popularity recently. It's effective, assuming you drink enough water.
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I've tried it, but its never something I've been able to actually use regularly because it bothers my stomach.
 
sns8778 said:
I've tried it, but it’s never something I've been able to actually use regularly because it bothers my stomach.
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I know I am 1 small vote and I understand that, but I vote the liquid glycerol as well. Actually been using hydroprime for about a year and noticed it does upset my stomach as well at higher dosages/extended periods of time. It actually started to make me constipated actually, I’ll admit I was probably overdoing it though. Just made the switch to liquid glycerol and noticed it is easier on my stomach. Don’t know about constipation yet. I also agree with have a pure liquid glycerol with nothing added, or maybe just absorption enhancers.
 
Resolve10 said:
This is also one of my worries.

Feels like it definitely is moving back into popularity with some sort of wave like how things just move in and out over time.
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I had tried it years ago and it bothered my stomach.

I tried it again, mainly to see how they taste now days and there's no way my stomach would let me use it regularly. When I tried it years ago, I tried toughing it out to see if my stomach could get used to it and it never did. But I know some people that can use it with no issues. I'm very susceptible to bloating anyway.
 
Resolve10 said:
Ya honestly part of me wanting to try was more because I’ve seen it everywhere and it might be interesting with my endurance work and not because I went looking for it.



This is also one of my worries.

Feels like it definitely is moving back into popularity with some sort of wave like how things just move in and out over time.
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I wonder if the popularity has anything to do with WADA taking it off the ban list, don’t remember exactly so I may butcher dates but I think it was banned previously before 2018, I think it was listed under a masking agent. So I’m wondering if them lifting the ban brought back a slow grow in popularity.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
I wonder if the popularity has anything to do with WADA taking it off the ban list, don’t remember exactly so I may butcher dates but I think it was banned previously before 2018, I think it was listed under a masking agent. So I’m wondering if them lifting the ban brought back a slow grow in popularity.
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No. WADA doesn't care about popularity at all.

The WADA list used to list more specific things than it does now - it moved a lot of things into a vague category where it says things like 'not limited to' and makes it intentionally vague. There are so many new things that come out, that doing it that way helps them not be confined to certain specific things.
 
sns8778 said:
No. WADA doesn't care about popularity at all.

The WADA list used to list more specific things than it does now - it moved a lot of things into a vague category where it says things like 'not limited to' and makes it intentionally vague. There are so many new things that come out, that doing it that way helps them not be confined to certain specific things.
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makes sense! I was kinda thinking in terms of supplement companies making it, I feel like a lot of big mainstream brands wouldn’t want to make something that is on the WADA list, cause it does seem like it wasn’t really being made by a lot of companies back then, but I also wasn’t into it as much as I am now so I can’t really recall for sure. I was taking controlled labs glycergrow back around 08, mainly stopped because that stuff was like drinking playground sand lol.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
makes sense! I was kinda thinking in terms of supplement companies making it, I feel like a lot of big mainstream brands wouldn’t want to make something that is on the WADA list, cause it does seem like it wasn’t really being made by a lot of companies back then, but I also wasn’t into it as much as I am now so I can’t really recall for sure. I was taking controlled labs glycergrow back around 08, mainly stopped because that stuff was like drinking playground sand lol.
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Not many brands, unless its part of their marketing, really care about the WADA list because there are so many things on it that you wouldn't necessarily think of. For example, DHEA and 7-Keto DHEA; Colostrum was on it until a couple years ago and is still on the NCAA list.

It's funny because people think of Glycerol Monostearate (GMS) like in CL GlycerGrow as the first glycerol products, but Twinlab made a liquid glycerol all the way back in the 90's.

Here's kind of an abbreviated timeline:
  • Twinlab offers liquid glycerol in the 90's; only really popular with bodybuilders for contest time.
  • Glycerol Monostearate (GMS) becomes popular but clumps badly and goes rancid easily.
  • GlycerPump becomes popular as the first advancement that supposedly doesn't clump - it does; maybe not as bad as GMS, but it did clump. Many brands lost a lot of money due to returns.
  • Another branded one comes out, claims to not clump - it does. Many brands lost money due to returns.
  • HydroPrime comes out, claims to not clump - it doesn't as bad as some of the other ones, but still does some, especially if mixed with certain other ingredients. Returns are a problem but not as bad.
  • At this point, many brands have lost so much on returns from glycerol products that they're petty much like screw this ingredient. The problem is, some consumers still like it and want it.
  • You see a brand or two offer a liquid glycerol and other brands say 'eh, no returns on this type and we can sell it along with our pre and not worry about the pre clumping' and boom, here we are.
  • However, there are actually not that many liquid contract manufacturers that make it, so it becomes kind of a commodity and every brand and their brother start to do one and it becomes saturated.
From an inside the industry perspective, its like a funny dejavu because we're back where we were in the 90's lol.
 
Everything that's old eventually becomes new again. It's like fashion trends. 90s is long enough now that the new generations weren't around for it. Just means we're old!

I can't remember if I've asked, but any thoughts on a straight carb powder? Preferably just unflavored. I know that we talked a bit about a blend of purple sweet potato one. Any more movement on something like this, Carb10, HBCD, etc.?

It's one of those items that's a staple that I still can't get from you yet @sns8778. Eventually, I'll be able to grab your multi, your intra, I can already get creatine from you. So only the carb powder & maybe an omega3 product is needed for me to go almost all SNS.
 
sns8778 said:
Not many brands, unless its part of their marketing, really care about the WADA list because there are so many things on it that you wouldn't necessarily think of. For example, DHEA and 7-Keto DHEA; Colostrum was on it until a couple years ago and is still on the NCAA list.

It's funny because people think of Glycerol Monostearate (GMS) like in CL GlycerGrow as the first glycerol products, but Twinlab made a liquid glycerol all the way back in the 90's.

Here's kind of an abbreviated timeline:
  • Twinlab offers liquid glycerol in the 90's; only really popular with bodybuilders for contest time.
  • Glycerol Monostearate (GMS) becomes popular but clumps badly and goes rancid easily.
  • GlycerPump becomes popular as the first advancement that supposedly doesn't clump - it does; maybe not as bad as GMS, but it did clump. Many brands lost a lot of money due to returns.
  • Another branded one comes out, claims to not clump - it does. Many brands lost money due to returns.
  • HydroPrime comes out, claims to not clump - it doesn't as bad as some of the other ones, but still does some, especially if mixed with certain other ingredients. Returns are a problem but not as bad.
  • At this point, many brands have lost so much on returns from glycerol products that they're petty much like screw this ingredient. The problem is, some consumers still like it and want it.
  • You see a brand or two offer a liquid glycerol and other brands say 'eh, no returns on this type and we can sell it along with our pre and not worry about the pre clumping' and boom, here we are.
  • However, there are actually not that many liquid contract manufacturers that make it, so it becomes kind of a commodity and every brand and their brother start to do one and it becomes saturated.
From an inside the industry perspective, its like a funny dejavu because we're back where we were in the 90's lol.
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Damn, for sure learned something, yeah I was born in 94 so before my time lol, you might have to share some old 90s stories of supplements, I bet it was wild times. had no clue liquid glycerol came out that early. Also I bet the dejavu isn’t exciting when trying to be innovative. In that case maybe pass on the glycerol, sounds like it may be more hassle than worth.
 
Thx for all the information regarding Liquid Glycerol. Only make one if you truly feel it's worthwhile. I'm fine using the other options on the market. But if you do make one I know it would be worth it.

I just started using it pre and really like how it adds to fullness overall. It might help with endurance but hard to tell as the Senactiv XT always handles that and then some.

Doesn't seem to bother my stomach, but good to know about that side effect.
 
Resolve10 said:
Ya I'm not entirely convinced it is of a huge benefit for lots of people, but still interested.

I think it is interesting in the way it is supposedly beneficial, but I think people overlook that it does also contain a decent caloric load (if they care) and tons of the beneficial research is in heat regulation (which is why I particularly am interested and always have interest each year as summer approaches)
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I noticeably sweat less, by a lot. I’m relooking at benefits and it claims to help with constipation which makes me feel crazy, but when I was doing 20-25 grams a day (2 separate doses, 15g pre workout morning, 5-10g pre yoga at night) I got constipated, maybe I wasn’t drinking enough water, but I do drink about a gallon a day, so I figured it was enough.
 
3ChainedAminos said:
Damn, for sure learned something, yeah I was born in 94 so before my time lol, you might have to share some old 90s stories of supplements, I bet it was wild times. had no clue liquid glycerol came out that early. Also I bet the dejavu isn’t exciting when trying to be innovative. In that case maybe pass on the glycerol, sounds like it may be more hassle than worth.
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Twinlab was one of the major brands back then and they did put out good products for the time period. But back then, people didn't care as much about pumps, so their liquid glycerol was used mainly by bodybuilders for contest time.

Glycerol ingredients in pre's is definitely a pain bc it almost always is going to clump.

Liquid glycerol isn't really a pain - just requires a high MOQ if you do anything unique and original.
 
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