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I think Focus XT needs flavored by a new flavoring house. Last few tubs I’ve tried have not been good. They all have the same underlying funk that is off putting. rocket pop, candy corn, green apple.
I'm sorry to hear that but there's also a part of this that doesn't make sense. Candy Corn was a limited edition flavor and there were only 2 batches run and they were ran by the same place - both batches tasted literally identical.

So whatever you mean by the words underlying funk - you're using it to describe different flavors made at different places.

Most people really like the flavor of Focus XT and its by far our best selling powdered product to females (and females are by far the hardest to please customer base when it comes to flavors).

I would encourage you to try different water levels because even a 2 ounce difference can give it a completely different taste.

We did recently with the very last batch of some of the flavors switch to a new contract manufacturers for all of our powdered products because our old cm is so backed up due to Covid that the production lead times were insane. As part of that, we had to try to match the flavor systems as closely as possible. When things like that happen, you may see slight variances from batch to batch while we're trying to tweak things based on feedback.

For example, the Rocket Pop from the previous batch tasted more of the cherry where this recent batch I tasted more of the lime. Which one is best? Depends on what your favorite part of the Rocket Pop Popsicle is haha.

Another example, Green Apple Abduction - the previous batches were more like a candy apple jolly rancher. The current batch is more like an actual green apple flavor. We've had people hate the new batch bc they liked the old better; but we've had a lot of feedback that the new batch is better - because it really comes down to which of the flavors the person likes better.

No one hates changes like this more than me (bc I have to listen to ppl complain about it either way) and because we wind up out of stock during the process and I lose money. But at a certain point, its get the product back out, see what people think, and make tweaks from there.

I could give the standard BS line that some companies do, but I prefer to just be honest about the struggles that we go through on this end sometimes. This is a good example that normally wouldn't get seen about how Covid has f'd things up in the industry in so many different ways (having to change cm's for flavored powders due to delays).

We do the best we can do and will continue to. We actually have 3 new flavors of that lined up to release in the coming few months.

I hope all of that makes sense.
 
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I was curious about that candy corn flavor. I actually like the real thing haha
 
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Yes! Would buy that immediately
Winner right here. I need this in my life now
They used a prop blend in theirs and we wouldn't; so to make it maximum effectiveness, I'm thinking 2800 mg. Symplocos and 200 to 300 mg. Cocoabuteral? (as Cocoabuterol contains the other 2 ingredients that are in USP's).

And of course the disclaimer - when people ask us to make a product like something like that, we can make it based off of what it is/was supposed to be; but there is talk of how some USP Labs things aren't what they were supposed to be. I just don't want anyone upset with us if it turns out to not be exactly like it. But I can tell you that if theirs really was what their label says, I'm confident with the Symplocos I'm talking about using, that ours would be even better.
 
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Out of the three I mentioned in the other thread (C20 XT, Comp20 XT, Compounded20 XT), I personally like Comp20 XT. Kind of a borrowing from Compound 20 without fully stealing the name, but with the familiar XT of an SNS product.
I'm not sure if this would be an SNS or CEL project. At first, I was leaning towards a CEL one, but I might actually make it an SNS one because we have 3 natural anabolic formulas already planned for CEL :)
 
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In theory, copying old USP Labs and PES products seems like a winner but as said, we don't really know what was in there.

Weren't OG batches of USP Labs Versa-1 spiked with Mechabol? lol
 
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In theory, copying old USP Labs and PES products seems like a winner but as said, we don't really know what was in there.

Weren't OG batches of USP Labs Versa-1 spiked with Mechabol? lol
I'd venture to say many of their products were spiked. Respectfully, there was probably more than DMAA in the original Jack3d. I can speak from comparative experiences lol
 
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Anacyclus XT please! :)

The rest just icing on the cake!
Tomorrow for sure. Sorry for the delay. It's here; its just been a logistics with some retailers type of thing.
 
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In theory, copying old USP Labs and PES products seems like a winner but as said, we don't really know what was in there.

Weren't OG batches of USP Labs Versa-1 spiked with Mechabol? lol
I like PES a lot now, but they did have a lot of speculation back then bc of the rumored association with USP Labs. I honestly have no idea what the truth is on any of that.

That's kind of why for me, this whole concept kind of comes with the disclaimer that if their products were/are what they were supposed to be, then we can do them. But I don't want anyone upset with me if we try to and they turn out not to give the exact same results; we can't copy or improve on something if it wasn't what it was supposed to be to begin with.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that but there's also a part of this that doesn't make sense. Candy Corn was a limited edition flavor and there were only 2 batches run and they were ran by the same place - both batches tasted literally identical.

So whatever you mean by the words underlying funk - you're using it to describe different flavors made at different places.

Most people really like the flavor of Focus XT and its by far our best selling powdered product to females (and females are by far the hardest to please customer base when it comes to flavors).

I would encourage you to try different water levels because even a 2 ounce difference can give it a completely different taste.

We did recently with the very last batch of some of the flavors switch to a new contract manufacturers for all of our powdered products because our old cm is so backed up due to Covid that the production lead times were insane. As part of that, we had to try to match the flavor systems as closely as possible. When things like that happen, you may see slight variances from batch to batch while we're trying to tweak things based on feedback.

For example, the Rocket Pop from the previous batch tasted more of the cherry where this recent batch I tasted more of the lime. Which one is best? Depends on what your favorite part of the Rocket Pop Popsicle is haha.

Another example, Green Apple Abduction - the previous batches were more like a candy apple jolly rancher. The current batch is more like an actual green apple flavor. We've had people hate the new batch bc they liked the old better; but we've had a lot of feedback that the new batch is better - because it really comes down to which of the flavors the person likes better.

No one hates changes like this more than me (bc I have to listen to ppl complain about it either way) and because we wind up out of stock during the process and I lose money. But at a certain point, its get the product back out, see what people think, and make tweaks from there.

I could give the standard BS line that some companies do, but I prefer to just be honest about the struggles that we go through on this end sometimes. This is a good example that normally wouldn't get seen about how Covid has f'd things up in the industry in so many different ways (having to change cm's for flavored powders due to delays).

We do the best we can do and will continue to. We actually have 3 new flavors of that lined up to release in the coming few months.

I hope all of that makes sense.
it tastes and smells like hay that’s been stored in a barn. that’s the best way i can describe it. lol. it’s not good and it’s been in all 3 that i mentioned. it has to be a raw that’s not getting masked very well. i mean, if it’s really that big of a seller, no need to mess with it. i’ve tried and tried to use this product but i can’t get through a whole tub. the instant i cracked open the apple tonight, barnyard hay smell. everyone is different, but i feel like the flavor is holding fxt back. i’ll mess with the water amounts but i doubt it’s going to matter when i can smell it in the powder.
 
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it tastes and smells like hay that’s been stored in a barn. that’s the best way i can describe it. lol. it’s not good and it’s been in all 3 that i mentioned. it has to be a raw that’s not getting masked very well. i mean, if it’s really that big of a seller, no need to mess with it. i’ve tried and tried to use this product but i can’t get through a whole tub. the instant i cracked open the apple tonight, barnyard hay smell. everyone is different, but i feel like the flavor is holding fxt back. i’ll mess with the water amounts but i doubt it’s going to matter when i can smell it in the powder.
Don't post it publicly, but pm me what retailer you bought it from.

I grew up with my grandparents having a farm and there's nothing in any supplement ever that I'd consider like a hay or barn smell. The only ingredient in Focus XT in its base form that even has much of a smell to it at all is Choline Bitartrate; and its weird because you may have one batch of Choline Bitartrate raw materials that has more of a taste than the next batch of the same ingredient (speaking from a raw material side). Right now, I have on my desk open containers of Candy Corn, Rocket Pop, and Storming Grape Limeade and I cannot relate anything like you're saying to any of them.

The reason this doesn't make sense to me is the number of people that like Focus XT and no one has ever said anything like this; and in the 3 flavors you mentioned, one was definitely made at a different manufacturer to begin with (Candy Corn).

It's ironic that you say the Green Apple tastes like a barn yard hay smell bc literally the only complaint we've ever gotten on the smell is from someone that said they hate bananas and it smelled like banana. Which ironically, the most recent batch does. No banana in the flavor system at all, but the smell of the flavor system + ingredients does smell like banana.

I'm sitting here with a Rocket Pop on my desk and it smells like Cherry to me, but tastes more like Lime with a Cherry and Blue Raspberry aftertaste.

The Candy Corn has an overpowering Candy Corn/oddly butter like smell. I LOVE Candy Corn anything so I have a tub on my desk right now.

I'm always open to trying to improve on things. Its just hard to know what to do when I can't replicate what you're talking about and have never had anyone else complain about it. Taste wise, you're going to taste the Choline some and you're going to taste the TeaCrine some; that's not really something you can completely hide because to use enough flavor masker to completely cover TeaCrine, it would blunt the flavor itself.
 
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I feel like the flavor profile can have pretty wild perceived variances. For example, in the last prototype runs of Juice Daddy before switching to a new manufacturer the samples we received were viewed totally different. I thought they tasted pretty good whereas Bostin literally wanted to vomit from it. I'd venture to suspect that this is more of an outlier occurrence as opposed to the norm for FXT.
 
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I feel like the flavor profile can have pretty wild perceived variances. For example, in the last prototype runs of Juice Daddy before switching to a new manufacturer the samples we received were viewed totally different. I thought they tasted pretty good whereas Bostin literally wanted to vomit from it. I'd venture to suspect that this is more of an outlier occurrence as opposed to the norm for FXT.
I think so, especially with the amount of females that like it.

Plus, people do have different sensitivities and perceptions to smells. It would make more sense if it was say 3 flavors from the same CM but Candy Corn was made in a different place than any of the other flavors. So that leads me to think it could be a sensitivity to a certain smell possibly in the base, or something with the storage conditions from where he bought it (which needs to be a pm convo, not a thread one bc I don't want to speak badly about any retailers).
 
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I didn't read all the posts so sorry if it has already been mentioned. I would be happy if you could add HICA in your product line. PES used to have it but they discontinued and it's difficult to find it properly dosed or as stand alone product.
 
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I think so, especially with the amount of females that like it.

Plus, people do have different sensitivities and perceptions to smells. It would make more sense if it was say 3 flavors from the same CM but Candy Corn was made in a different place than any of the other flavors. So that leads me to think it could be a sensitivity to a certain smell possibly in the base, or something with the storage conditions from where he bought it (which needs to be a pm convo, not a thread one bc I don't want to speak badly about any retailers).
True. The retailer's storage situation could be a big factor in this as well. Almost forgot one of the most important factors. Cold water. I ice all of my preworkouts and powders when I drink it. Anything shy of icy can significantly effect it.
 
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The more I think on it the more I like the idea of a USP Labs "corrected clones" series that is a transparent version of some their classic products... but without the "suspected spiking" (emphasis on suspect as I do not want to make false assertions). It's probably the nostalgia in me but it is very appealing. Not sure if XT is mandatory as a component but if not maybe something like:

- Recomp 20 (Compound 20)
- Revise (Recreate)
- Ignit3 (Jack3d)
- Black Magic (Pink Magic) - not sure if you can put "black" or "white" on a label anymore though... srs
 
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@sns8778 Looking forward to a possible Cardia6 stand alone from SNS
 
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Or maybe that Horny Goat Weed!!!
Working on it. Its in the que. Not sure where it will fall time wise because of all the new releases in process, but it'll be available as soon as we can :)
 
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- Black Magic (Pink Magic) - not sure if you can put "black" or "white" on a label anymore though... srs
This is sadly very true... and painfully annoying
 
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True. The retailer's storage situation could be a big factor in this as well. Almost forgot one of the most important factors. Cold water. I ice all of my preworkouts and powders when I drink it. Anything shy of icy can significantly effect it.
Focus XT is one of the few products that I like as much at room temperature as I do cold. That's where this really had me baffled as its a product we've always gotten so many compliments on taste wise.
 
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What about Avena Sativa?
I haven't been asked for it or heard it mentioned in a long time. If enough people want it, I'm up for it.
 
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I was curious about that candy corn flavor. I actually like the real thing haha
To me, it tastes just like Candy Corn. The only weird part is that Candy Corn is both a taste and a texture so its a bit interesting at first getting used to the taste without the texture if that makes sense.
 
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The more I think on it the more I like the idea of a USP Labs "corrected clones" series that is a transparent version of some their classic products... but without the "suspected spiking" (emphasis on suspect as I do not want to make false assertions). It's probably the nostalgia in me but it is very appealing. Not sure if XT is mandatory as a component but if not maybe something like:

- Recomp 20 (Compound 20)
- Revise (Recreate)
- Ignit3 (Jack3d)
- Black Magic (Pink Magic) - not sure if you can put "black" or "white" on a label anymore though... srs
LipoBurn (EpiBurn)
 
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To me, it tastes just like Candy Corn. The only weird part is that Candy Corn is both a taste and a texture so its a bit interesting at first getting used to the taste without the texture if that makes sense.
Haha I think the texture is part of the allure. I tried clicking it on the SNS site but I think it’s OOS
 
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Haha I think the texture is part of the allure. I tried clicking it on the SNS site but I think it’s OOS
It was a limited edition flavor. We may try to bring it back this fall, but not 100% sure. Since we don't work with the place that did that flavor for us, it just depends on if we can get the flavor right somewhere else.
 
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LipoBurn (EpiBurn)
I like that name but it may be taken I think.

And honestly EpiBurn isn't one I'd try to copy bc the ingredient panel doesn't make sense with the feedback.

According to the label, 1 capsule of EpiBurn should have been 100 mg caffeine + a 213 mg prop blend of Ashwagandha, Olive Leaf, Yohimbe, Coleus, and Higenamine (labeled as Nelumbo Nucifera).
 
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I didn't read all the posts so sorry if it has already been mentioned. I would be happy if you could add HICA in your product line. PES used to have it but they discontinued and it's difficult to find it properly dosed or as stand alone product.
Already got you covered :)

HICA XT is already in the lineup. I'm not sure where yet because there are so many new releases coming up, but it'll be in the works.

What we really need to do is figure out a way to clone me so I can get the label text and write ups done for these things quicker haha
 
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I like that name but it may be taken I think.

And honestly EpiBurn isn't one I'd try to copy bc the ingredient panel doesn't make sense with the feedback.

According to the label, 1 capsule of EpiBurn should have been 100 mg caffeine + a 213 mg prop blend of Ashwagandha, Olive Leaf, Yohimbe, Coleus, and Higenamine (labeled as Nelumbo Nucifera).
That’s why this would be the better version haha. Sucks but a lot of good names are taken. Luckily I give mine quirky ones XD
 
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That’s why this would be the better version haha. Sucks but a lot of good names are taken. Luckily I give mine quirky ones XD
The problem with copying EpiBurn and doing it the way it 'should be' done is that if it were done like the label says, it actually wouldn't be that good of a product. So in this case, we might want to pass on that. Because really, Thermagize XT is better than what the EpiBurn formula is supposed to be by a longshot.
 
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The problem with copying EpiBurn and doing it the way it 'should be' done is that if it were done like the label says, it actually wouldn't be that good of a product. So in this case, we might want to pass on that. Because really, Thermagize XT is better than what the EpiBurn formula is supposed to be by a longshot.
Yeah I meant more in the context of recreating the “theme” and not so much the product content itself. Just ignore me I’m just throwing stuff out in volume now hahaha
 
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Yeah I meant more in the context of recreating the “theme” and not so much the product content itself. Just ignore me I’m just throwing stuff out in volume now hahaha
Hey, I appreciate the ideas. I just wanted to clarify and make sure we were on the same page on that one haha
 

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How about Theobromine/Chocamine? I had a hard time finding it as a single ingredient here in the EU. I plan to stack it with PEA.
 
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The more I think on it the more I like the idea of a USP Labs "corrected clones" series that is a transparent version of some their classic products... but without the "suspected spiking" (emphasis on suspect as I do not want to make false assertions). It's probably the nostalgia in me but it is very appealing. Not sure if XT is mandatory as a component but if not maybe something like:

- Recomp 20 (Compound 20)
- Revise (Recreate)
- Ignit3 (Jack3d)
- Black Magic (Pink Magic) - not sure if you can put "black" or "white" on a label anymore though... srs
Ignit3 is already an Olympus Labs product.

There is a pretty popular supplement company called Black Magic supplements.

Just mentioning so you don't get into confusion/trademark issues.
Already got you covered :)

HICA XT is already in the lineup. I'm not sure where yet because there are so many new releases coming up, but it'll be in the works.

What we really need to do is figure out a way to clone me so I can get the label text and write ups done for these things quicker haha
Hoping this is more than just HICA.

Something more like what Pro Supplements used to carry, it was HMB, HICA, and leucine if I remember. Would definitely buy. Or sub for what Redcon1 MOAB has in it right now, which is HMB, HICA, epi.
 
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I would be more than happy with plain HICA. I don't like HMB (unless it's free HMB not HMB-ca) and have already enough leucine in my diet and supplement.
 
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Hoping this is more than just HICA.

Something more like what Pro Supplements used to carry, it was HMB, HICA, and leucine if I remember. Would definitely buy. Or sub for what Redcon1 MOAB has in it right now, which is HMB, HICA, epi.
It is a pretty simple HICA type supplement because I've been asked by so many people to do a straight HICA supplement.

I am considering doing another project or two with it in there though.

I remember that Pro Supps one - and I also remember for whatever reason it was one of the most disgusting things I've ever tried lol. But I have considered doing a formula similar, but only if can make it taste okay haha.

I'd love to hear people's opinions on that - if they would want a high end one like HMB, HICA, Leucine, + more.
 
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It is a pretty simple HICA type supplement because I've been asked by so many people to do a straight HICA supplement.

I am considering doing another project or two with it in there though.

I remember that Pro Supps one - and I also remember for whatever reason it was one of the most disgusting things I've ever tried lol. But I have considered doing a formula similar, but only if can make it taste okay haha.

I'd love to hear people's opinions on that - if they would want a high end one like HMB, HICA, Leucine, + more.
For me, recovery is the most important aspect when Im choosing a new supplement to use. So it sounds right up my ally.
 
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What about some Hordenine to stack with PEA-500 XT. Or add some to the PEA-500XT?
I would buy.
Hordenine is already on the FDA advisory list and is banned from Amazon. So its one of those things where even though some people would like it (including myself), I can't risk an FDA issue, especially over something that probably wouldn't sell very well.
 
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For me, recovery is the most important aspect when Im choosing a new supplement to use. So it sounds right up my ally.
Thank you. What would you like to see in it if we did it?

HMB
HICA
ActiGin
Leucine

And I'm open to more. I don't really know how well this well sell bc it wouldn't be cheap.

I thought about adding Phosphatidic Acid to it but its just too expensive. We're doing one of those on its own so people can always stack it if they want to.
 

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