nice log man .
Bahaha buster you are a full fledged tool:laugh2: Mr hormone freeThat is because you don't know anything about PH. All a PH is is a chemical analog that converts into a steroid via enzymes in your body. That being said, if there are steroids that raise your libido, it makes perfect sense that there would be pro-hormones to those steroids that raise the libido. Logic is an amazing thing.
You sure talk an @ssload about hormones to say that you don't need to research them.
BTW, Formestane is a hormone. That means you have already used them. Formestane raises libido as well.
You are like the king of hypocrisy.
Many Thanks Learn! I tryed my best!nice log man .
Thanks Bro! Im happy with log as well, tho woulda liked to do better but eh good for the first time IMO!Thanks for all the responses guys. I hope you feel better Teg. Great job with the log.
Well i didnt wanna say anything till i knew for sure, but i had been having upper abdominal pain thinking it was mainly my crohns, but it started to get worse and then spread to my back. So we've been tryin to figure it out. Welp tues went back to the dr and he said i have a "Non Functioning" Gallbladder and it should be removed.What sort of health issues teg?
Shut your mouth f*cker.So 4-ad converts to testosterone? So it would help with libido and actually make you more horney like injectable test?
Thanks for copying and pasting answers.com for us. Maybe next time you should quote your source so you don't look like an a*shole.1-andro= 1-dhea
4-ad= 4-dhea
decavol= 19nor-dhea
all can convert directly into estrogen, be it str8 converting into E, via it converting into androstenedione, then into E.
how much conversion of dhea makes it to a potent hormone? well, number vary person to person, but no matter who you are, it will be small potatoes compared to the diol's of the past. diones at best will give about 5%. if it even makes it to a dione, how much would you need to be really effective?
some more info on the different isomers of dhea:
DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) is really a meaningless term scientifically, since it isn't descriptive of the actual molecule structure and could include a family of structures that are missing hydrogen atoms at one or more points in the molecule. DHEA can have many naturally occurring isomers that may have similar pharmacological effects. Some proven natural isomers of DHEA are 1-dehydroepiandrosterone (shown to be synthesized in pigs), 4-dehydroepiandrosterone (shown to occur in rats), 19NorDHEA (shown to occur in pigs and humans). These isomers are also technically DHEA, since they are dehydro epiandrosterones (removing hydrogens from the epiandrosterone skeleton).
whats my point?
the point is, over priced, under dosed dhea +atd, why are y'all fighting about this? halodrol clones are cheaper, and way more effective. ****, i'd rather buy 4-androstenediol off the black market, atleast I get something i know will directly convert into test, for the same, if not cheaper price.
so would it over kill to stack 1-ad or 4ad with 1-TTren ?Teg hope all goes well for you.
Jbry, you need to read up on what "conversion" rates actually mean and how applicable they are in the real world. The % you are quoting (or pasting) are calculated based off a stagnant measurement of incubated human blood. Which unfortunately does not mean a whole lot when it comes to real world application.
Likely it would unless you are attempting to mega dose one compound or another. 1-T Tren has DHEA which is how PP is trying to counter the negative libido and lethargy side effects. 4-AD will be more efficient then DHEA at counteracting these sides however. So if you have used 1-T Tren and had libido or lethargy issues then 4-AD might be a good stacker.so would it over kill to stack 1-ad or 4ad with 1-TTren ?
Well, the 1AD would be kinda overkill, as the 1-T and 1-AD are both converting to 1-Testosterone. The 19-nor compound or "Tren" in the 1-T Tren is pretty hard on the libido, and so is 1-T for that matter. So, the 4-AD would probably be a great addition to the stack, as it will help combat the libido issues by adding a test "base" to the stack.so would it over kill to stack 1-ad or 4ad with 1-TTren ?
I didn't copy and paste anything from answers dot com.Thanks for copying and pasting answers.com for us. Maybe next time you should quote your source so you don't look like an a*shole.
http://www.answers.com/topic/dhea
As far as fighting... no one is fighting... We're blowing up some toolbox that never makes any sense.
I've seen some other threads you interjected in go bad, so you should know how that feels.... i.e. when Mullet put you on blast for running 8 to 10 cycles and being 175 pounds.
Holla.
exactly royd, in the real world, these numbers will most likely be even less. I have read up on p.a's conversion rate info, and all the hubla.Teg hope all goes well for you.
Jbry, you need to read up on what "conversion" rates actually mean and how applicable they are in the real world. The % you are quoting (or pasting) are calculated based off a stagnant measurement of incubated human blood. Which unfortunately does not mean a whole lot when it comes to real world application.
See you're stuck in this frame of thought that a certain % converts from one hormone to the next but this is where you are incorrect. The studies the % were based on were taken from a stagnant period. It has nothing to do with what actually happens in a constantly changing environment. This is why you do see great results with these compounds. You are even quoting incubated DHEA studies. You need to read the actual studies instead of wiki as your source of info.exactly royd, in the real world, these numbers will most likely be even less. I have read up on p.a's conversion rate info, and all the hubla.
I didn't want to get into the fact that consumer dont even know conversion doesn't stop at the target hormone if it ever makes it. that it can convert back and forth a number of times in the system.
the % I was quoting, not pasting, I only pasted the part about different isomers, and it was from wikipedia. Anyway, the % was generous. I could of said, dhea has a conversion rate to estrogen of about 23% which is higher than any diol. but I didn't. I also didn't say dhea has a very poor oral availability, but i didn't. I have been reading up on dhea, it is a very interesting hormone to say the least. but ams, among other compaines (lg) are charging too much money for over priced dhea that they get from pigs, rats and who knows where else.
Where do you think wikipedia and answers.com get their data from?I didn't copy and paste anything from answers dot com.
maybe you should read the article you say someone used before you acuse them of using it.
there is nothing in it about the different isomers of dhea.
I only copied an pasted the isomer part from wiki pediea. and that was so you can see where they come from. I already know this information about the isomers, and didn't have to c & p it, but it was faster than typing.
and no one put me on blast. my weight is up there, and I dont hide anything from anyone. dont get mad that you found out you were just using dhea. it's okay, but you could of bought it at wallgreens for cheaper.
you guys wanna pay over price for dhea, go for it.
im not saying it doesn't work. dhea works, and im sure without looking at the user results, the 4-ad works, the 1-ad works, and even the decavol works, and can convert into all they say it does.First Bizzaro Buster, now Buster Jr! This keeps getting better.
Although I preferred Bizzaro Buster out of the three.
Joking aside though, Jbry...
Just take a look at the before and after pictures of Teg, Timber, AZ... or any other 1-androsterone log in which the person was serious about diet and their workout. The stuff works, regardless of what you say the conversion rate is.
I'd be a lot less concerned with what the paper says as what the results from the users say.
:toofunny:... Then go sterilize yourself - do us a favor.
Why the hell would I be mad? First of all, I got the cycle for free, second of all - you're Buster Jr...
thats fair, but I've never bought supplements from an auction site, so wouldn't know.IDK... most of the 4-androstendiol and 1-androstendiol that are on the auction sites are going for around 70-100 bucks a bottle. A few are being sold in the 50 dollar range. I don't think any are still within their expiration either. Not that this stuff goes bad, just that from what I have seen it's more expensive.
You should start a new thread.I plan to start a cycle of 1-Andro utt stacked with 4-ad, I also want to take formex with my cycle. Any advice how I should dose it, or if at all?
It's alright, you would just get better responses if you started your own thread.My apologies if I hijacked the thread.
Thanks Big Pun!!! O? Well what ever it was/is, im very happy to hear that she did and im hoping all is better or on it way to being betterThe best of luck to you buddy! Things will work out, I just went through some major drama with my wife and she pulled through so i know you can do it too.
Well speaking of Cimzia, thats one of the drugs im on, tho were messing around with doses and timing. At the moment im doing 1injection every other week, which seems to work, just not enough, as usual! Now thats just Cimzia, im also doing 1mL/cc Injections every week of Methotrexate as well as 10mg prednisone(still goin up and down on this, err)... This last trip up, the Dr added in Vicodin for the pain and to help slow the GI tract a bit more. Basically tryin to kill 2birds with 1stone! This last week tho, the Vicodin will either hit and work, or i wont feel nothing at all, which reminds me, i should pm Jay!Yeah you know im there bro! tegs man im still worrying about yah crohnes buddy. Im working on new meds too my doc wants me to go on cimzia since i had an alergic reaction to my remicade.... That really sucked. Feeling like your head is about to explode is no fun.... but yeah man what kind of new medicine are they putting you on i would like to research them....
Thanks Royd! Im tryin to get on here as much as possible and keep in touch, but i feel im not doing to well at that. Just gotta do it tho!!Good to see you back man.
Yeah im sure the docter knows but make sure not to be on prednisone too long bro. That will eat away at your bones..... Its great for gaining weight but very unhealthy..... But i talked to my doc not too long from now but he said he wants to use the cimzia for when i have a flare up hes putting me on just 6mp! isnt that crazy? lol we will see how it goes but hopefully i stay on just 6 mp :fest30: But donald buddy you know too keep giving me a call bro.. still been and always will be in my prayers chrones buddy.Thanks Big Pun!!! O? Well what ever it was/is, im very happy to hear that she did and im hoping all is better or on it way to being better
Well speaking of Cimzia, thats one of the drugs im on, tho were messing around with doses and timing. At the moment im doing 1injection every other week, which seems to work, just not enough, as usual! Now thats just Cimzia, im also doing 1mL/cc Injections every week of Methotrexate as well as 10mg prednisone(still goin up and down on this, err)... This last trip up, the Dr added in Vicodin for the pain and to help slow the GI tract a bit more. Basically tryin to kill 2birds with 1stone! This last week tho, the Vicodin will either hit and work, or i wont feel nothing at all, which reminds me, i should pm Jay!
Thanks Royd! Im tryin to get on here as much as possible and keep in touch, but i feel im not doing to well at that. Just gotta do it tho!!
Ya good ol pred has a laundry list of sides, and that being one of them.. At 10mgs were not to worried about it, but i still get Dex. tests done regardless. The weight you gain is just kinda like any other steroid in that fact that your body retains water. Its a Raw Steroid. Its just with Corts. that you dotn get the added benefit of gaining muscle mass LOL.... Nah thats not crazy bro. Plenty of ppl have those combos. If you can tolerate 6mp and it works, stick with it! It takes awhile to build up in the body just like any other immune suppresant that i know of, but seemt to have less sides, unlike the Meth. im on, in which after doing some studying on, i found out you can loose 10-15% of brain function which in most cases people do not notice, but i can deffently tell especially in the last couple months Thanks Bro!! Glad to hear your keeping well my man!!!Yeah im sure the doctor knows but make sure not to be on prednisone too long bro. That will eat away at your bones..... Its great for gaining weight but very unhealthy..... But i talked to my doc not too long from now but he said he wants to use the cimzia for when i have a flare up hes putting me on just 6mp! isnt that crazy? lol we will see how it goes but hopefully i stay on just 6 mp :fest30: But donald buddy you know too keep giving me a call bro.. still been and always will be in my prayers chrones buddy.
In it to win brotha! Ill hit you up in a couple days!Stay strong Teg my brudda.
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