T3 vs OTC supps (T2 etc) - My Experience

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Background:
I came off a FUN/KILLER T3 cycle and wanted to keep the fat gain off. I say FUN/KILLER b/c my metabolism stinks and I'm one of the unfortunate ones who eats a binge meal and blows up like a sea cow. I maintain a pretty strict eating regime as a result to maintain leanness and it sure aint fun :(

I only added 25 mcg and I have to tell you, I LOVED IT. I got peeled AND ate a crappy meal about every other day LOL. It's as if I was testing the boundaries on what I could get away with b/c I never get to eat like this. I felt like a kid in the candy store. I obviously must run on the LOW side of normal ranges for Thyroid output b/c tyypically, 25 mcg isnt crap.

Recovery:
Well, after about 9-10 weeks of this, it was time to get off. I desperately wanted to keep the fat off. I did a little research (link below):
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and decided to take:
1 cap of Olive Leaf (500 mg each) 3/day (3 total)
2 caps of Alpha T2 (new version) 2x/day (4 total)
1 cap of Forskolin-95 (by Synthetic Supps) x 3x/day (3 total)
1 cap of 7-Keto (25 mg) x 3x/day (3 total)

Well, First the good news:
3 weeks later I have remained about the same body fat % which is good (ever so slightly "fatter")

Now the not so good news:
HOWEVER, my diet has been as rigid and spot on as it gets with zero cheats :(

Conclusion:
I am only sharing this for those of you who wish to compare OTC supps the real thing and perhaps want to design a recovery cycle for themselves. These supps definitely have their place and definitely work but man, 1 cap of 25 mcg makes these supps look a little silly. It was certainly a reminder to me of how different OTC supps are from the real deal. 13 caps of supplements still can't hang with only 25 mcg of T3. That's just plain nuts.

Again: ALL of these supps definitely have their place. Just wanted to share my personal experience.
 
Thanks for sharing. There's a give and a take for everything. T3 is the most potent thyroid hormone, but it's also the most dangerous, proteolytic, suppressive, etc. As with many things, it's about weighing risk vs reward and correlating it to your goals
 
I always feel like **** on T3 but feel pretty good on Alpha-T2, of course I don't get the same result but it's not "worth" to me to feel like ****... :(
 
Thanks for posting this. After reading your original post about T3 recovery I decided to give it a try as well. I'm 10 days into a 6 week T3/Albuterol/Osta cycle and even this early in my cycle you can definitely tell the difference between these products and natty supps. If this cycle is as successful as I hope it will be I doubt if I will ever go back to natty supps again. At least not where fat burners are concerned.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Thanks for sharing. There's a give and a take for everything. T3 is the most potent thyroid hormone, but it's also the most dangerous, proteolytic, suppressive, etc. As with many things, it's about weighing risk vs reward and correlating it to your goals
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Agreed. Thanks for the advice/suggestions in the OTC supps thread to asssit in the recovery process (in that referenced thread) ;)
That said, 25 mcg is actually a very small dose as I know you are aware. THAT'S partially the rationale as to why I posted. I'd "guess" that the potential for "proteolytic, suppressive" sides you correctly point out and refer to are "somewhat" moot with such low doses. Thanks Coop ;)

alwaysfirst said:
I always feel like **** on T3 but feel pretty good on Alpha-T2, of course I don't get the same result but it's not "worth" to me to feel like ****... :(
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Same here. I tried 50 mcg and HATED IT. Felt like death.

warsteiner said:
Thanks for posting this. After reading your original post about T3 recovery I decided to give it a try as well. I'm 10 days into a 6 week T3/Albuterol/Osta cycle and even this early in my cycle you can definitely tell the difference between these products and natty supps. If this cycle is as successful as I hope it will be I doubt if I will ever go back to natty supps again. At least not where fat burners are concerned.
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Depending on your doses and keeping things in context....I only took 25 mcg. Not sure what you are using as your comparative analysis when you relate OTC supps vs Drugs :)
 
Whacked said:
Background:
I came off a FUN/KILLER T3 cycle and wanted to keep the fat gain off. I say FUN/KILLER b/c my metabolism stinks and I'm one of the unfortunate ones who eats a binge meal and blows up like a sea cow. I maintain a pretty strict eating regime as a result to maintain leanness and it sure aint fun :(

I only added 25 mcg and I have to tell you, I LOVED IT. I got peeled AND ate a crappy meal about every other day LOL. It's as if I was testing the boundaries on what I could get away with b/c I never get to eat like this. I felt like a kid in the candy store. I obviously must run on the LOW side of normal ranges for Thyroid output b/c tyypically, 25 mcg isnt crap.

Recovery:
Well, after about 9-10 weeks of this, it was time to get off. I desperately wanted to keep the fat off. I did a little research (link below):
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and decided to take:
1 cap of Olive Leaf (500 mg each) 3/day (3 total)
2 caps of Alpha T2 (new version) 2x/day (4 total)
1 cap of Forskolin-95 (by Synthetic Supps) x 3x/day (3 total)
1 cap of 7-Keto (25 mg) x 3x/day (3 total)

Well, First the good news:
3 weeks later I have remained about the same body fat % which is good (ever so slightly "fatter")

Now the not so good news:
HOWEVER, my diet has been as rigid and spot on as it gets with zero cheats :(

Conclusion:
I am only sharing this for those of you who wish to compare OTC supps the real thing and perhaps want to design a recovery cycle for themselves. These supps definitely have their place and definitely work but man, 1 cap of 25 mcg makes these supps look a little silly. It was certainly a reminder to me of how different OTC supps are from the real deal. 13 caps of supplements still can't hang with only 25 mcg of T3. That's just plain nuts.

Again: ALL of these supps definitely have their place. Just wanted to share my personal experience.
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Good to hear brother!
 
T3 is definitely in a league of its own. For experience users only.

I recently ran T3 for 6 weeks at 50 mcg, 2 days on, 1 day off. No tapering up or down. I felt fine on off days. I also recovered quickly and felt back to normal within a few days. No lethargy, rebound, etc. Running T3 in this way helps to prevent your thyroid from adapting (to a certain extent.

I also ended the T3 run while I was still on cycle. This also helps the transition and helps prevent rebound weight gain (which I think is rare and over exaggerated anyway).

When used moderately, the thyroid bounces back very quickly. I can't speak for those using 100+ mcg for long extended periods. However, there is data showing that they also recover quickly.
 
El Hefe said:
T3 is definitely in a league of its own. For experience users only.

I recently ran T3 for 6 weeks at 50 mcg, 2 days on, 1 day off. No tapering up or down. I felt fine on off days. I also recovered quickly and felt back to normal within a few days. No lethargy, rebound, etc. Running T3 in this way helps to prevent your thyroid from adapting (to a certain extent.

I also ended the T3 run while I was still on cycle. This also helps the transition and helps prevent rebound weight gain (which I think is rare and over exaggerated anyway).

When used moderately, the thyroid bounces back very quickly. I can't speak for those using 100+ mcg for long extended periods. However, there is data showing that they also recover quickly.
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T3 has a 3 day half life. LOL.
 
pyrobatt said:
T3 has a 3 day half life. LOL.
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LOL all you want. 2.5-3 day half life is what I was taught as well. I'm also aware that some pharma grade T3 states 2.5 days on their label. But there is varying data on this subject.

If one doses T3 early in the morning, they can still wind down in the evening and sleep. Most experienced users can confirm this. Now, is there still active T3 in their system, probably. But, regardless of what the old data suggests, it's definitely not peaking or on the rise at this point. If it was, no one would ever sleep. Just imagine the guys running 100+ mcg daily. They'd be an absolute wreck.

Also, just another example. I have a family member that takes prescribed T3. If they forget to take their T3 in the morning, they notice a significant difference by mid day. Now regardless of what I read or was taught back in the 90's, real world experience tells me the active half life is shorter than 3 days. I've also spoke with endos who agree.

So live by the 3 day half life if you'd like. But myself and many others (some pro bb'ers 10+ yrs) consider the half life to be closer to 10 hrs.
 
El Hefe said:
LOL all you want. 2.5-3 day half life is what I was taught as well. I'm also aware that some pharma grade T3 states 2.5 days on their label. But there is varying data on this subject.

If one doses T3 early in the morning, they can still wind down in the evening and sleep. Most experienced users can confirm this. Now, is there still active T3 in their system, probably. But, regardless of what the old data suggests, it's definitely not peaking or on the rise at this point. If it was, no one would ever sleep. Just imagine the guys running 100+ mcg daily. They'd be an absolute wreck.

Also, just another example. I have a family member that takes prescribed T3. If they forget to take their T3 in the morning, they notice a significant difference by mid day. Now regardless of what I read or was taught back in the 90's, real world experience tells me the active half life is shorter than 3 days. I've also spoke with endos who agree.

So live by the 3 day half life if you'd like. But myself and many others (some pro bb'ers 10+ yrs) consider the half life to be closer to 10 hrs.
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The active half life is 2.5 days or 3 * can't remember* this is true.
The 10 hrs can be explained if you've ever ran a steroid cycle. The effectiveness fluctuates. It is still however active.

Most endos can be as stupid as most gps. Not saying that your stupid but big pharmacy would be in big trouble from a business point of view if they lied about a half life. Only way to tell is blood work and there is plenty out there
 
Well, I'll definitely agree that there are a lot of stupid doc and endos.

I'll just have to disagree to some extent in the half life, at least as it relates to our uses.

When I look at the half life of serms, AI's, AAS, etc. you'll see/feel continued elevation or evidence throughout the course of the drugs active life. For example, you won't bloat up the moment you miss an arimidex dose, because of the long half life. You might however feel a difference if you miss a day of dbol. It's quite obvious which drugs have longer half lives.

Just about everyone I've talked to who have ran t3 moderately (as I described earlier, not 150mcg) will notice its effects have and will diminish greatly the following day if the dosing is stopped. T3 may very well stay in your system for more than 3 days, but it definitely is not peaking in activity and performance at this point.

If this were the case, people would dose T3 eod.
 
El Hefe said:
Well, I'll definitely agree that there are a lot of stupid doc and endos.

I'll just have to disagree to some extent in the half life, at least as it relates to our uses.

When I look at the half life of serms, AI's, AAS, etc. you'll see/feel continued elevation or evidence throughout the course of the drugs active life. For example, you won't bloat up the moment you miss an arimidex dose, because of the long half life. You might however feel a difference if you miss a day of dbol. It's quite obvious which drugs have longer half lives.

Just about everyone I've talked to who have ran t3 moderately (as I described earlier, not 150mcg) will notice its effects have and will diminish greatly the following day if the dosing is stopped. T3 may very well stay in your system for more than 3 days, but it definitely is not peaking in activity and performance at this point.

If this were the case, people would dose T3 eod.
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Agreed. Also food interferes with t3. Even synthetic. I wonder if our food intake is a contribution to the decline in effectiveness
 
I had no idea. Thanks!
 
Bout to jump back on some T3 yumminess. 25 mcg turns me into a teenager able to eat stupid and mass quantities of food with little fat gain.

I eat rigidly most of the time so I deswerve it :D
 
EBF Inc said:
You mean carnitine .... ?

Calcium regulates agouti which has a function with aiding t3 and decreasing reverse t3 by lowing agouti
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Sorry that was confusing

High agouti leads to decreased thyroid function and increased rT3

Calcium can lower agouti which can speed metabolism
 
There is also an OTC product made from animal thyroid gland. ingredients: *Whole Raw tissue concentrated from bovine sources specially processed (freeze-dried) at or below -5°C to preserve natural occurring vitamins, enzymes, nucleotides, lipoproteins and all other cellular components.

I am prescribed a low dose of a medication call Amour Thyroid as part of my TRT. This medication is also made from animal thyroid. However, it is pharmaceutically produced to contain an exact amount of T4 and T3 whereas the OTC stuff is not.
 
jerrysiii said:
There is also an OTC product made from animal thyroid gland. ingredients: *Whole Raw tissue concentrated from bovine sources specially processed (freeze-dried) at or below -5°C to preserve natural occurring vitamins, enzymes, nucleotides, lipoproteins and all other cellular components.

I am prescribed a low dose of a medication call Amour Thyroid as part of my TRT. This medication is also made from animal thyroid. However, it is pharmaceutically produced to contain an exact amount of T4 and T3 whereas the OTC stuff is not.
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And the OTC stuff can shut you down
 
EBF Inc said:
You mean carnitine .... ?

Calcium regulates agouti which has a function with aiding t3 and decreasing reverse t3 by lowing agouti
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No clue, but hospital stardards are always to never give cytomel to a patient within 2 hours of calcium intake. At least the hospital i work at.

Mike
 
EBF Inc said:
That's strange I wonder why

Must be some sort of explanation.
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The basic terms I've learned from the hospitals drug interaction checklist that we use to educate patients with is that calcium binds to it, and can render it inactive.

Mike
 
Some very enlightening and educational info in here: Invalid Link Removed
 
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