arena
Guest
this is very said. it appears ax is abandining us hardcore consumers and it now targeting main stream gnc consumers. very sad. no longer will we see anything more than hype come out of them.
Superdrol-NG vs Superdrol
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this is very said. it appears ax is abandining us hardcore consumers and it now targeting main stream gnc consumers. very sad. no longer will we see anything more than hype come out of them.
superdrollover
Well-known member
Thats an unfair statement in my opinion. Making money is every businesses goal. AX is keeping the heat off of them by selling DSHEA products which in turn opens doors to GNC, which means more money. It does not mean they are making inferior products. They work , they are legal,and they dont have any liver toxicity....what more could you ask for from a "supplement" company..
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
I'm constantly asking Mace to bring on the Goat Strippers, but so far he stands firm in telling me "No."
bigschmidt821
Oldtimer
:goodpost:
hyperdrol 2 and mass fx are DSHEA compliant, are they ****ty products? like i said AX is on to the next generation and this Superdrol is for that next generation, they are encouraging much safer supplements
arena
Guest
i know they always want to make money. the question is, will sales from the mainstream consumer make up for some potentialy lost sales to the hardcore consumer.
also, i personaly hate companies that have highly unethical marketing campaigns. for example, weight loss drug advertisments on t.v.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
What sales are they losing from hardcore consumers? They don't even make any hardcore products anymore. If they did, they wouldn't making them for very long.
xjsynx
Member
Yes, but not all people are not privy to this information, and as you said the supplment industry is 'capitalistic' driven; therefore, I would agree AX is using the name Superdrol to appeal to the GNC crowd, and they have all the right in the world to do this. Some people will disagree and others won't care.
The bottom line is if the product is effective, everyone will be happy. Well other than PA :toofunny:
xjsynx
Member
I don't understand why someone won't buy an AX product if it is sold at GNC.
superdrollover
Well-known member
lmao :toofunny:
bigschmidt821
Oldtimer
:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:
superdrollover
Well-known member
Me either! 1-AD was sold at GNC along with tons of other Andro products. I would never buy it from GNC but just because its there would never stop me from buying it else ware.
T-AD
Well-known member
Oh, man! How did I miss all this - Ok, SDLover and BigSchmidt - I'm here to back ya up! (Miss me, f*ckers?!?)
I've got a few things to say here. You may not know me, but you soon will - cause you're probably missing out on things!
Here's the scoop. Whatever name it comes out as does not matter to the consumer when all is said and done. It's the shelf appeal. Just because a Mustang is badged as a Mustang doesn't make it a better Ford - it just carries an excellent name on a crappy car. What AX is doing here is catering to the mainstream market. That is NOT a bad thing!! And just because AX is about to bust into your local mall and sell to hippies, goths, emos, posers, and a bunch of punks doesn't mean it isn't for you. You know about them, you've been here and you've done it before. It's just opening a new and very much larger market.
Now, as for going into those stores, AX is making a strategic marketing decision that will ultimatly help us all. Greedy? Yeah, perhaps - if you mean in the quest for more capital. But with more cash comes more potential, which they've proven to me and many others that they will use to create new products of all kinds to keep in line with their users. (Yes, users...AXholes are crackheads...they'll back me up on this!
) Using that revenue to expand makes the business grow. Product lines will grow. More will be done to bring things out that are innovative and unique - or atleast unique enough to improve on something else, make it better for us - the consumer - and claim more share of this huge market.
The name wasn't the first thing it was known by, but it doesn't make it any less of a product - good or bad is your decision. Either you buy it or not, it's up to you. Whether you like it or not, that's up to you, too. But if you do like it, and you buy it again, then you've proven that the name doesn't matter. ALL those who have tried it will come back for more. How do I know? Easy - I know all who have (and I'm not telling who they are...they will).
Just because one or 2 come in and start to blast a product makes very little difference. Say what you want, it's coming out. It's the Next Generation - perhaps not of the original Superdrol - but a next gen PH that is different, effective, and owned by AX. Nuff said.
If it don't succeed, I'll eat my AX beanie and post it here for y'all to see.
I've got a few things to say here. You may not know me, but you soon will - cause you're probably missing out on things!
Here's the scoop. Whatever name it comes out as does not matter to the consumer when all is said and done. It's the shelf appeal. Just because a Mustang is badged as a Mustang doesn't make it a better Ford - it just carries an excellent name on a crappy car. What AX is doing here is catering to the mainstream market. That is NOT a bad thing!! And just because AX is about to bust into your local mall and sell to hippies, goths, emos, posers, and a bunch of punks doesn't mean it isn't for you. You know about them, you've been here and you've done it before. It's just opening a new and very much larger market.
Now, as for going into those stores, AX is making a strategic marketing decision that will ultimatly help us all. Greedy? Yeah, perhaps - if you mean in the quest for more capital. But with more cash comes more potential, which they've proven to me and many others that they will use to create new products of all kinds to keep in line with their users. (Yes, users...AXholes are crackheads...they'll back me up on this!
) Using that revenue to expand makes the business grow. Product lines will grow. More will be done to bring things out that are innovative and unique - or atleast unique enough to improve on something else, make it better for us - the consumer - and claim more share of this huge market. The name wasn't the first thing it was known by, but it doesn't make it any less of a product - good or bad is your decision. Either you buy it or not, it's up to you. Whether you like it or not, that's up to you, too. But if you do like it, and you buy it again, then you've proven that the name doesn't matter. ALL those who have tried it will come back for more. How do I know? Easy - I know all who have (and I'm not telling who they are...they will).
Just because one or 2 come in and start to blast a product makes very little difference. Say what you want, it's coming out. It's the Next Generation - perhaps not of the original Superdrol - but a next gen PH that is different, effective, and owned by AX. Nuff said.
If it don't succeed, I'll eat my AX beanie and post it here for y'all to see.
ImJ2x
Well-known member
OK -- I haven't posted anything here in awhile, but this discussion has me somewhat "arroused" (in the bad way, lol).
Mr. dull, I have no idea who you are, but your argument is ridiculous. I find myself pretty much agreeing with everything Dalamara has said.
What if Jack Daniels started filling their whiskey bottles with lite beer and changed the label to read "Jack Daniel's Tennessee Whiskey ng"?!
The name "Superdrol" should not be used with this product at all.
Mr. dull, I have no idea who you are, but your argument is ridiculous. I find myself pretty much agreeing with everything Dalamara has said.
What if Jack Daniels started filling their whiskey bottles with lite beer and changed the label to read "Jack Daniel's Tennessee Whiskey ng"?!
The name "Superdrol" should not be used with this product at all.
arena
Guest
anyone ever hear of muscle tech. they use to sell pro hormones. now look at what they sell
ImJ2x
Well-known member
I agree with that completely -- the people who get fooled into thinking this is some new, improved form of Superdrol just didnt do their homework.
But the point is still that these companies also have a choice to make -- whether to behave ethically or not. And in my opinion, AX has chosen to behave VERY unethically -- shame, shame.
Dalamara
Member
This supplement could be the best thing since sliced bread.
But it's still not Superdrol.
And to call it Superdrol is deceptive. Period.
The deceptive nature of its name will invariably lead people to buy the product thinking that it's the next Superdrol clone. When someone buys a product thinking that it's another product because of the labeling, that's deceptive, no? Of course they should do their research, but come on... we all know there are hundreds of thousands of clueless GNC shoppers out there, and this labeling scheme is clearly aimed at those masses.
Is it a smart move on the part of AX? Yeah, they'll probably move more product this way. Is it ethical? In my opinion, no.
Applying general terms like Pro-Hormone, Designer-Steroid, or Pro-Anabolic to a supplement is much different then applying the name of a specific potent oral steroid to a product that doesn't contain the aforementioned steroid!
Some people have mentioned that they named it Superdrol because people associate Superdrol with a very successful and potent steroid. Yes, people do... and you don't see a problem with naming a compound that is NOT a methylated steroid as such?
People will see Superdrol and already be predisposed to think that Superdrol-NG will deliver like results. Well, what if it does? What if it doesn't? People shouldn't be predisposed to either. Logs, testers, and personal experience should be the sole factor upon which people decide whether or not they want to buy the product... not a psychological marketing scheme that plays off people's predisposed notions about Superdrol.
But it's still not Superdrol.
And to call it Superdrol is deceptive. Period.
The deceptive nature of its name will invariably lead people to buy the product thinking that it's the next Superdrol clone. When someone buys a product thinking that it's another product because of the labeling, that's deceptive, no? Of course they should do their research, but come on... we all know there are hundreds of thousands of clueless GNC shoppers out there, and this labeling scheme is clearly aimed at those masses.
Is it a smart move on the part of AX? Yeah, they'll probably move more product this way. Is it ethical? In my opinion, no.
Applying general terms like Pro-Hormone, Designer-Steroid, or Pro-Anabolic to a supplement is much different then applying the name of a specific potent oral steroid to a product that doesn't contain the aforementioned steroid!
Some people have mentioned that they named it Superdrol because people associate Superdrol with a very successful and potent steroid. Yes, people do... and you don't see a problem with naming a compound that is NOT a methylated steroid as such?
People will see Superdrol and already be predisposed to think that Superdrol-NG will deliver like results. Well, what if it does? What if it doesn't? People shouldn't be predisposed to either. Logs, testers, and personal experience should be the sole factor upon which people decide whether or not they want to buy the product... not a psychological marketing scheme that plays off people's predisposed notions about Superdrol.
superdrollover
Well-known member
The simple fact is GNC requested that be the name therefore thats the name. This has nothing to do with ethics. This is business.If you cant understand that you wont be a very good business man. AX has yet to claim that this is anything like the old sd therefore i see nothing bad done on there part they are simply trying to make the majority happy. If any one of you were in the same position as AX you know you would do the same thing. I mean come on man GNC requested the name!
ImJ2x
Well-known member
If GNC requested to run over your dog and "date" your sister, how much money would you ask for?
Dalamara
Member
There's no reason that you can't run a successful Business and uphold strong ethics at the same time.
Is the trust and loyalty of your customer worth the money you'd make by using shading marketing schemes? Sure, this might move more Superdrol-NG bottles off the shelves of GNC, but imo AX is taking a pretty big risk here. If it turns out to not deliver to people's expectations, then it will most likely effect people's decisions on whether or not they want to purchase other AX products.
It's all about customer retention. And you don't get that by willfully deceiving them.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how good Superdrol-NG is, but if it turns out to bomb AX is going to catch so much flak for choosing the name.
superdrollover
Well-known member
Thats a rediculous question! It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I hate GNC but if I was AX i would do the exact same thing. nuf said!
BigSmith
Well-known member
The packaging (if you had it in your hand) clearly states it is not the original. IN FACT it states what the difference is and that you are are NOT going to gain 10 lbs in 3 weeks. Everyone so far has only seen a rendering image of the front of the box. It also contains a two page insert that clearly states the differences once again and walks the user through each ingredient. It also substantiates any and every claim we have used in our marketing.
The name is a franchise. Why did hydroxycut, xenadrine, lipodrene, etc keep the names once Ephedra was gone? When they re-introduced the names did they still deliver results? Xenadrine-EFX anyone. That product alone has a extremely strong following an continued sales base of repeat customers.
Why does Microsoft still call windows, windows? It has NONE of the original source code from 3.1. Marketing. I could go on and on with examples.
No one has seen the ingredients or EVEN the full packaging. We worked long and hard on this formula and it rocks. This product should be judged like any other. Does it deliver like advertised? If we made the claims that you would get the same results as its predecessor then we would be unethical. We are not doing that. What we are saying is that you are taking a mild non-methyl that is going to give you amazing workouts, pumps, endurance, and strength gains even in the first week.
1.Why did you choose to reuse the “Superdrol” name?
Like every company, our goal is to broaden our horizons into markets yet untapped. With the launch of our company online back in 2005, we have grown tremendously since. After earning a huge online fan base, we are now looking to broaden into the more mainstream markets such as General Nutrition Center, and other major retail supplement stores. When you think of Anabolic Xtreme, the name Superdrol automatically comes to mind. It is one of the most recognizable product names in sports nutrition history.
The original Superdrol was infamous for producing rapid and gains in lean muscle mass and strength, and so too will the new Superdrol-NG also produce immediate results like its predecessor. You will notice you are on something good within the first week. A nice androgen feel.
2.How does the new Superdrol-NG differ from the original? Why is it the “Next Generation?”
While Superdol-NG is a pro-hormone and will still provide significant increases in lean muscle mass and strength, you will not gain 20lbs in a month, nor will blood lipid values be negatively affected. No water retention, no bloat, no delayed onset gyno. Superdrol-NG was further fortified with a Metabolic HPTA Support Matrix to keep you libido elevated throughout your cycle, minimizing your recovery time during post cycle therapy. And finally, the new Injection Matrix will crank up your intensity and stamina not only in the gym, but also throughout your daily life. No lethargy this time around!
In the end it is about results. Every time we release a product we hear the same thing from the usual suspects. Hyperdrol.........ohh they called it a drol. Shady and I bet is sucks. They are doomed. YET, everytime we end up delivering a quality product that drives results our customers expect from us and our company grows. Nothing is different this time. Watch the feedback and enjoy.
The name is a franchise. Why did hydroxycut, xenadrine, lipodrene, etc keep the names once Ephedra was gone? When they re-introduced the names did they still deliver results? Xenadrine-EFX anyone. That product alone has a extremely strong following an continued sales base of repeat customers.
Why does Microsoft still call windows, windows? It has NONE of the original source code from 3.1. Marketing. I could go on and on with examples.
No one has seen the ingredients or EVEN the full packaging. We worked long and hard on this formula and it rocks. This product should be judged like any other. Does it deliver like advertised? If we made the claims that you would get the same results as its predecessor then we would be unethical. We are not doing that. What we are saying is that you are taking a mild non-methyl that is going to give you amazing workouts, pumps, endurance, and strength gains even in the first week.
1.Why did you choose to reuse the “Superdrol” name?
Like every company, our goal is to broaden our horizons into markets yet untapped. With the launch of our company online back in 2005, we have grown tremendously since. After earning a huge online fan base, we are now looking to broaden into the more mainstream markets such as General Nutrition Center, and other major retail supplement stores. When you think of Anabolic Xtreme, the name Superdrol automatically comes to mind. It is one of the most recognizable product names in sports nutrition history.
The original Superdrol was infamous for producing rapid and gains in lean muscle mass and strength, and so too will the new Superdrol-NG also produce immediate results like its predecessor. You will notice you are on something good within the first week. A nice androgen feel.
2.How does the new Superdrol-NG differ from the original? Why is it the “Next Generation?”
While Superdol-NG is a pro-hormone and will still provide significant increases in lean muscle mass and strength, you will not gain 20lbs in a month, nor will blood lipid values be negatively affected. No water retention, no bloat, no delayed onset gyno. Superdrol-NG was further fortified with a Metabolic HPTA Support Matrix to keep you libido elevated throughout your cycle, minimizing your recovery time during post cycle therapy. And finally, the new Injection Matrix will crank up your intensity and stamina not only in the gym, but also throughout your daily life. No lethargy this time around!
In the end it is about results. Every time we release a product we hear the same thing from the usual suspects. Hyperdrol.........ohh they called it a drol. Shady and I bet is sucks. They are doomed. YET, everytime we end up delivering a quality product that drives results our customers expect from us and our company grows. Nothing is different this time. Watch the feedback and enjoy.
superdrollover
Well-known member
The packaging (if you had it in your hand) clearly states it is not the original. IN FACT it states what the difference is and that you are are NOT going to gain 10 lbs in 3 weeks. Everyone so far has only seen a rendering image of the front of the box. It also contains a two page insert that clearly states the differences once again and walks the user through each ingredient. It also substantiates any and every claim we have used in our marketing.
The name is a franchise. Why did hydroxycut, xenadrine, lipodrene, etc keep the names once Ephedra was gone? When they re-introduced the names did they still deliver results? Xenadrine-EFX anyone. That product alone has a extremely strong following an continued sales base of repeat customers.
Why does Microsoft still call windows, windows? It has NONE of the original source code from 3.1. Marketing. I could go on and on with examples.
No one has seen the ingredients or EVEN the full packaging. We worked long and hard on this formula and it rocks. This product should be judged like any other. Does it deliver like advertised? If we made the claims that you would get the same results as its predecessor then we would be unethical. We are not doing that. What we are saying is that you are taking a mild non-methyl that is going to give you amazing workouts, pumps, endurance, and strength gains even in the first week.
1.Why did you choose to reuse the “Superdrol” name?
Like every company, our goal is to broaden our horizons into markets yet untapped. With the launch of our company online back in 2005, we have grown tremendously since. After earning a huge online fan base, we are now looking to broaden into the more mainstream markets such as General Nutrition Center, and other major retail supplement stores. When you think of Anabolic Xtreme, the name Superdrol automatically comes to mind. It is one of the most recognizable product names in sports nutrition history.
The original Superdrol was infamous for producing rapid and gains in lean muscle mass and strength, and so too will the new Superdrol-NG also produce immediate results like its predecessor. You will notice you are on something good within the first week. A nice androgen feel.
2.How does the new Superdrol-NG differ from the original? Why is it the “Next Generation?”
While Superdol-NG is a pro-hormone and will still provide significant increases in lean muscle mass and strength, you will not gain 20lbs in a month, nor will blood lipid values be negatively affected. No water retention, no bloat, no delayed onset gyno. Superdrol-NG was further fortified with a Metabolic HPTA Support Matrix to keep you libido elevated throughout your cycle, minimizing your recovery time during post cycle therapy. And finally, the new Injection Matrix will crank up your intensity and stamina not only in the gym, but also throughout your daily life. No lethargy this time around!
In the end it is about results. Every time we release a product we hear the same thing from the usual suspects. Hyperdrol.........ohh they called it a drol. Shady and I bet is sucks. They are doomed. YET, everytime we end up delivering a quality product that drives results our customers expect from us and our company grows. Nothing is different this time. Watch the feedback and enjoy.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BigSmith again.
ImJ2x
Well-known member
The packaging (if you had it in your hand) clearly states it is not the original. IN FACT it states what the difference is and that you are are NOT going to gain 10 lbs in 3 weeks. Everyone so far has only seen a rendering image of the front of the box. It also contains a two page insert that clearly states the differences once again and walks the user through each ingredient. It also substantiates any and every claim we have used in our marketing.
The name is a franchise. Why did hydroxycut, xenadrine, lipodrene, etc keep the names once Ephedra was gone? When they re-introduced the names did they still deliver results? Xenadrine-EFX anyone. That product alone has a extremely strong following an continued sales base of repeat customers.
Why does Microsoft still call windows, windows? It has NONE of the original source code from 3.1. Marketing. I could go on and on with examples.
No one has seen the ingredients or EVEN the full packaging. We worked long and hard on this formula and it rocks. This product should be judged like any other. Does it deliver like advertised? If we made the claims that you would get the same results as its predecessor then we would be unethical. We are not doing that. What we are saying is that you are taking a mild non-methyl that is going to give you amazing workouts, pumps, endurance, and strength gains even in the first week.
1.Why did you choose to reuse the “Superdrol” name?
Like every company, our goal is to broaden our horizons into markets yet untapped. With the launch of our company online back in 2005, we have grown tremendously since. After earning a huge online fan base, we are now looking to broaden into the more mainstream markets such as General Nutrition Center, and other major retail supplement stores. When you think of Anabolic Xtreme, the name Superdrol automatically comes to mind. It is one of the most recognizable product names in sports nutrition history.
The original Superdrol was infamous for producing rapid and gains in lean muscle mass and strength, and so too will the new Superdrol-NG also produce immediate results like its predecessor. You will notice you are on something good within the first week. A nice androgen feel.
2.How does the new Superdrol-NG differ from the original? Why is it the “Next Generation?”
While Superdol-NG is a pro-hormone and will still provide significant increases in lean muscle mass and strength, you will not gain 20lbs in a month, nor will blood lipid values be negatively affected. No water retention, no bloat, no delayed onset gyno. Superdrol-NG was further fortified with a Metabolic HPTA Support Matrix to keep you libido elevated throughout your cycle, minimizing your recovery time during post cycle therapy. And finally, the new Injection Matrix will crank up your intensity and stamina not only in the gym, but also throughout your daily life. No lethargy this time around!
In the end it is about results. Every time we release a product we hear the same thing from the usual suspects. Hyperdrol.........ohh they called it a drol. Shady and I bet is sucks. They are doomed. YET, everytime we end up delivering a quality product that drives results our customers expect from us and our company grows. Nothing is different this time. Watch the feedback and enjoy.
Well I obviously don't have the packaging in my hand -- all I've seen is the "rendered" image of the front of the box, which I'm assuming was produced by AX, and which doesn't distance itself at all from (actual) Superdrol. In fact, it does exactly the opposite -- with SUPERDROL in big letters and ng much smaller, along with the quote "The World's #1 Selling Pro-Hormone," which obviously refers to (actual) Superdrol, not this new gizmo. So where exactly is the "fine print" that states SUPERDROLng is not actually Superdrol, nor related to it in any way? And if it's not Superdrol, what is it? Perhaps snakeoil?
ImJ2x
Well-known member
So your dog and sister aren't for sale, but your name and reputation are?
BigSmith
Well-known member
Hold the product in your hand OR read the online write-up that will be released when the product goes for sale. Thats where it is located. Right in the first sentence nice and big :cheers:
Its slightly pathetic that you are e-arguing about a product you have never really seen, held, tried, or even read any official write-up about other than a teaser. Read the write-ups, look at some reviews, then start to form an opinion. Every claim is substantiated right on the box or in the write-up.
I would hope that anyone standing in a store would read at LEAST the front, back, and instructions on the box before buying it. For the online buyers I would hope they read the first 10 words in the retailer write-up before buying it. Otherwise that is their fault if they think they are buying the original. We have done our job explaining VERY well what SDNG is and what to expect.
ImJ2x
Well-known member
Hey AX -- I have a great suggestion:
Why don't you rename some of your other products, in the interest of profit? Might I suggest you rename 3-AD "SUPERDROL3ad?" MassFX could be called "SUPERDROLmfx." "SUPERDROLperfectcycle?" It's a goldmine.
[OK -- I'll try to calm down now. This whole thing just kinda rubbed me the wrong way, lol.]
Why don't you rename some of your other products, in the interest of profit? Might I suggest you rename 3-AD "SUPERDROL3ad?" MassFX could be called "SUPERDROLmfx." "SUPERDROLperfectcycle?" It's a goldmine.
[OK -- I'll try to calm down now. This whole thing just kinda rubbed me the wrong way, lol.]
ImJ2x
Well-known member
uh oh -- dont get me started
What you guys are doing is way more "pathetic" than anything I've done here. And I'm not questioning the quality of your new product (I have no idea what SUPERDROLng is -- I just know it"s not Superdrol); I'm just questioning the ethics of its marketing.
BigSmith
Well-known member
You've got a point. I think I am going to go on the Ford Mustang forums and get pissed. Did you know the current 2007 Mustang has NONE of the same parts or engine as the 1964 original version! WTF. I am outraged. And they don't even call it the Mustang-NG. They call it a Mustang just like the original.
I used to love mustangs in the late 80's and early 90's. You could not pay me to take one from the mid 90's, and now I sort of like the new version. The handling is once again pretty good.
I am sure any Mustang fanatic that loved the older version could debate why it is better. Same goes for the guy who owned a 1998 version and loves it. He will be able to debate why he thinks its better than the 1991 version. Its the transition of a franchise name. Its lost some handling and power yet gained a TON of safety and other features over the older models. Which is more important to you is where you put your money.
I used to love mustangs in the late 80's and early 90's. You could not pay me to take one from the mid 90's, and now I sort of like the new version. The handling is once again pretty good.
I am sure any Mustang fanatic that loved the older version could debate why it is better. Same goes for the guy who owned a 1998 version and loves it. He will be able to debate why he thinks its better than the 1991 version. Its the transition of a franchise name. Its lost some handling and power yet gained a TON of safety and other features over the older models. Which is more important to you is where you put your money.
Zombie
Registered User
thats the most stupid post i have read in this thread.
AX has the name SD they can name what ever they want with it. Thay can even make protein bars and name them Superdrol TPB(tasty protein bar) . If theres some one that buys that thinking they are getting the real SD then they are idiots cause 1.-) its not produced anymore 2.-) why do they ****ing buy a ****ing supplement with out research(i know that alot of people do this and alot of them dont see the apropiate gains cause they didnt follow directions conserning dosage and/or diet and other factors)
Soo lets cut the crap with the name and wait for the results. we can make this thread pages long an be sayin **** about why it should or shoulnt had Superdrol in the name but who ****ing cares. Lets wait for the logs/reviews and to make an opinion. but like everything some are going to like it and others arent going to be happy.
ImJ2x
Well-known member
You're talking about the gradual, natural evolution of an automobile -- not a sudden sea-change of a product. The one time Ford did try this (by downsizing the car and dropping the V8 in 1974), there was so much justifiable public criticism that they were forced to squeeze a V8 right back into the 75's engine bay. Go talk about that in your Mustang forum.
Not to mention, when a buyer looks at a car, he sees exactly what he's getting. When a customer looks at your SUPERDROLng box, he may in fact be tricked into thinking he's buying some evolution of Superdrol, which apparently is not the case.
So answer a simple question (or 3): Why is the front of the box designed as it is? And why call the product SUPERDROL at all? (And why doesn't Designer Sups own the rights to the name?)
Not to mention, when a buyer looks at a car, he sees exactly what he's getting. When a customer looks at your SUPERDROLng box, he may in fact be tricked into thinking he's buying some evolution of Superdrol, which apparently is not the case.
So answer a simple question (or 3): Why is the front of the box designed as it is? And why call the product SUPERDROL at all? (And why doesn't Designer Sups own the rights to the name?)
ImJ2x
Well-known member
Here Zombie -- I'll give you something even stupider to play with:
Why don't we rename the whole company SUPERDROLax ("All our products are effective, just like real Superdrol")
BigSmith
Well-known member
Q. Why is the front of the box designed as it is?
A. Because we designed it that way. I will repost once again for you what I said before. I would hope that anyone standing in a store would read at LEAST the front, back, and instructions on the box before buying it. For the online buyers I would hope they read the first 10 words in the retailer write-up before buying it. Otherwise that is their fault if they think they are buying the original. We have done our job explaining VERY well what SDNG is and what to expect.
Q. And why call the product SUPERDROL at all?
Read this about 8 times.
The name is a franchise. Why did hydroxycut, xenadrine, lipodrene, etc keep the names once Ephedra was gone? When they re-introduced the names did they still deliver results? Xenadrine-EFX anyone. That product alone has a extremely strong following an continued sales base of repeat customers. THIS IS STILL A HORMONAL product that delivers great results. It is the Next Generation of the product franchise. Its not flax seed and Creatine that we are calling SDNG here.
Q. And why doesn't Designer Sups own the rights to the name?
A. Why could we not have purchased outright or licensed the rights? That's called none of your business. Look it up in the USPTO search.
I can sit here and make you look like a first grader at a college debate for the next three hours. I am on conference calls with our Asian vendors all night. Your trying to debate something that no one has seen, held, tried (besides testers), or really read the official literature about. Its like you debating Hillary Clinton's military raise program when you don't know anything more than its a raise.
ImJ2x
Well-known member
Oh wait -- can't go to bed just yet, lol.
So now I'm a "first grader at a college debate?" (You added that after I said I was off to bed -- more dirty pool, huh?)
You guys made a conscious choice to mislead the poor uninformed souls who might wander into a GNC at the mall, with both the name of your product, and the front of the box. If you go through with this, you may, in fact, alienate a large portion of your original customer base (the kind of no-nonsense folks on this board). But this is something you already know -- you've decided to take that gamble and go for the big mall bucks. It's your company, and you can run it anyway you want, but I personally think it's a big mistake.
But it's not too late -- the product hasn't released yet. You can "do the right thing" and rename/repackage your new wonder-supp (GNC be damned). And just eat some humble pie here (and on the other boards). The guys here will totally forgive you, and it'll be better for AX in the long run. It's always better to sacrifice a few bucks for your reputation. I'm serious. And I'm tired. Goodnight.
So now I'm a "first grader at a college debate?" (You added that after I said I was off to bed -- more dirty pool, huh?)
You guys made a conscious choice to mislead the poor uninformed souls who might wander into a GNC at the mall, with both the name of your product, and the front of the box. If you go through with this, you may, in fact, alienate a large portion of your original customer base (the kind of no-nonsense folks on this board). But this is something you already know -- you've decided to take that gamble and go for the big mall bucks. It's your company, and you can run it anyway you want, but I personally think it's a big mistake.
But it's not too late -- the product hasn't released yet. You can "do the right thing" and rename/repackage your new wonder-supp (GNC be damned). And just eat some humble pie here (and on the other boards). The guys here will totally forgive you, and it'll be better for AX in the long run. It's always better to sacrifice a few bucks for your reputation. I'm serious. And I'm tired. Goodnight.
T-AD
Well-known member
Update: The 3-5 guys in here who are getting pissy over this really don't matter. There isn't anything you can do. Arguing is futile, no matter what angle you approach it from. The product is on its way to store shelves. It will be sold on the internet and in stores. People will buy it. People will use it. People will see some varying degree of results. AX will make money from it. People will shout praise and scorns.
But in the end, any badass wannabes who are taking something that is named Superdrol, despite it not being the "original", will have the satisfaction that they tried something new.
You can't stop it. You can't change the world. Your arguments are truly useless.
Instead, I offer some alternate battles for you to fight:
1. Why does the new Charger have 4 doors?
2. Why did they elect a Pope that was in the Hitler Youth League?
3. Why does the media portray all Muslims as bad people?
4. Why have the French not fought harder in wars to protect themselves when attacked at home?
5. Why is Easy Cheese not a form of legitimate cheese?
or perhaps the best argument that you can fight over:
Why am I not just like my father? He was the 1st, and I am named the 2nd. But I'm only half of him, and I'm the Next Generation. Why am I cheated in life by having the same name but only half the original ingredients?
PumpingIron
Well-known member
1. Why does the new Charger have 4 doors?
-Because it's awesome that way...
2. Why did they elect a Pope that was in the Hitler Youth League?
-Just about everyone was forced to be part of the hitler youth or they ran the risk of being put into camps.
3. Why does the media portray all Muslims as bad people?
-Because of many terrorist organizations affiliation with the religion.
4. Why have the French not fought harder in wars to protect themselves when attacked at home?
-They are pussies
5. Why is Easy Cheese not a form of legitimate cheese?
-Because it's all processed material and perservatives...
...if you're going to present something like this, make better questions next time
-Because it's awesome that way...
2. Why did they elect a Pope that was in the Hitler Youth League?
-Just about everyone was forced to be part of the hitler youth or they ran the risk of being put into camps.
3. Why does the media portray all Muslims as bad people?
-Because of many terrorist organizations affiliation with the religion.
4. Why have the French not fought harder in wars to protect themselves when attacked at home?
-They are pussies
5. Why is Easy Cheese not a form of legitimate cheese?
-Because it's all processed material and perservatives...
...if you're going to present something like this, make better questions next time
RenegadeRows
Well-known member
Only time will tell.
This reminds me of companys carrying over product names as a selling point, replacing a potent oral steroid with a non methylated version of an AI/Test combo.
Halodrol
Masterdrol
Now Superdrol.
Soon we'll see a 6-bromo/ZMA/cissus version of PP :donut:
This reminds me of companys carrying over product names as a selling point, replacing a potent oral steroid with a non methylated version of an AI/Test combo.
Halodrol
Masterdrol
Now Superdrol.
Soon we'll see a 6-bromo/ZMA/cissus version of PP :donut:
LiftNDestroy
Member
I didn't read all of this thread in it's entirety but I will say that it's sad to think that some of the users here will ownly support a company if all of it's products are methylated and liver toxic. The way things are going with the FDA, and supplement industry, most prohormones will be gone soon enough anyways. With that being said, I think that it's commendable that AX spend the time and the money to put out what could potentially be an excellent muscle building product that is DSHEA compliant. It seems better to head in that direction than to put money into the newest methyl that coming from a company that's allready been targeted wouldn't last long anyways. If this proves to be solid, atleast maybe this time around it won't be taken away! :thumbsup: to AX!
T-AD
Well-known member
1. Why does the new Charger have 4 doors?
-Because it's awesome that way...
2. Why did they elect a Pope that was in the Hitler Youth League?
-Just about everyone was forced to be part of the hitler youth or they ran the risk of being put into camps.
3. Why does the media portray all Muslims as bad people?
-Because of many terrorist organizations affiliation with the religion.
4. Why have the French not fought harder in wars to protect themselves when attacked at home?
-They are pussies
5. Why is Easy Cheese not a form of legitimate cheese?
-Because it's all processed material and perservatives...
...if you're going to present something like this, make better questions next time
HA! Thanks for getting my comedy, PI. Of course they didn't make much sense, but if people were going to debate, they might as well go with something that makes a little more sense. (And nice answers, by the way - especially for #4!)
I think that the point has been made by many here. We all feel so strongly about our choices in companies and supplements that we are often blindsided by actual marketing tactics. We have to consider that we here are not the majority of supplement consumers, we are the more "elite" because we are informed and take the time to become educated on products. Through sharing our experiences, talking with the companies, and logging for ourselves, we are the ones who set the example in the amateur world. That's what I admire about everyone here, despite whether we agree or not.
Atleast the companies that are here have the guts to represent themselves here and speak to us. You never see a muscle-tech rep online, nor one from BSN. They've got their fan base, and though it seems that they cater solely to the GNC crowd, they make products that people believe will work for them to some degree. And if people get bigger just because of the placebo effect, atleast they went to the gym and got bigger. Too often we lose sight of the work involved with all of this and haggle too much over the supplemental products that we take. When it comes down to it, if you put the work in, eat right, and rest enough, you'll improve yourself far better than knowing all about Company X's marketing strategy.
ReaperX
Well-known member
From what I've read, allow me to translate this in 'Reaper language' :
Superdrol is a name that is highly recognized like hydroxycut, windows, mustang, whatever. There is a market out there to make money and everyone is piggybacking names so why shouldn't we ? If ur gonna blame us for using the name at least equally blame other too ok ? This is going to be very profitable for us because money> customer opinions> customer health. So yeah SuperdrolNG= big bucks....... deal with it homie.
See ? It is so much easier to understand when the statements are more accurately translated (by me).
Superdrol is a name that is highly recognized like hydroxycut, windows, mustang, whatever. There is a market out there to make money and everyone is piggybacking names so why shouldn't we ? If ur gonna blame us for using the name at least equally blame other too ok ? This is going to be very profitable for us because money> customer opinions> customer health. So yeah SuperdrolNG= big bucks....... deal with it homie.
See ? It is so much easier to understand when the statements are more accurately translated (by me).
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Nice translation.
Also keep in mind that AX can't make another product that's gonna compare to superdrol without a certain Food and Drug Administration shutting their asses down. They're going to lose a lot of their 'hardcore' consumers because of this anyway. To make up for lost consumers, they would obviously need to get some new consumers tapping into their sales. Voila!
ReaperX
Well-known member
I'd also like to add that anyone who is still upset that Anabolic Xtreme is using the 'Superdrol' name to quit crying.
GNC wants it and they are big bucks so no matter how you feel it really dosen't mean shet.
Haven't you guys learned anything I've said ? Money is the bottom line, everything else falls in after it. DUH !
Even if you don't like the product once you buy it, too bad ! We gotcha money anyways.
GNC wants it and they are big bucks so no matter how you feel it really dosen't mean shet.
Haven't you guys learned anything I've said ? Money is the bottom line, everything else falls in after it. DUH !
Even if you don't like the product once you buy it, too bad ! We gotcha money anyways.
PumpingIron
Well-known member
Reaper, I don't condone buying from GNC, but they do have a money back guarantee for partially used bottles...
T-AD
Well-known member
Then what about AX's money back guarantee?
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Most people here don't buy from GNC, but more people will buy from GNC than people who visit AM.