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bachy

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Question for anyone. Running some epistane right now and I am worried about the decrease in libido. Do you think that running some sunami with the epi would help out in this area or would it be a waste? Any comments would be greatly appreciated since I cant seem to get any from ibe's forum. Also just ran a good six weeks of dthc and loved it. The alpha male feeling was great. Thanks again
 
bachy said:
Question for anyone. Running some epistane right now and I am worried about the decrease in libido. Do you think that running some sunami with the epi would help out in this area or would it be a waste? Any comments would be greatly appreciated since I cant seem to get any from ibe's forum. Also just ran a good six weeks of dthc and loved it. The alpha male feeling was great. Thanks again
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If you dont mind me asking, did you run sunami with your DTH? Also what were your gains off the six weeks? Thanks.
 
Did not run the sunami with the dthc. You know I am going on vacation in like 20 days and have been cutting some here the last seven weeks. I went from 191 to 185 but have kept all my strength for the most part. I feel great on it and libido is strong. I am was running the dthc at two in the a.m. and two in the afternoon. Low carbs the last four weeks, under a 100 for three days and then up to 200 for one.
 
Sunami will provide your body with some test to aid in the lethargy/libido department. A good idea is to run some dhea with the sunami (150mg). This will DEF help you out bro.
 
trip,
so 150 mgs of dhea with the sunami along my epi is what your saying. once again thanks for the response.
 
bachy said:
so big diesel. your the man. what do you think? what does anyone think?
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i dont know anything about epistane. I mean people have ran Sunami on cycle and it helps with libido.....run some Coq DIESEL on cycle, it works really good.
 
bachy said:
trip,
so 150 mgs of dhea with the sunami along my epi is what your saying. once again thanks for the response.
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Yes thats personally what I would do.
 
bachy said:
trip,
so 150 mgs of dhea with the sunami along my epi is what your saying. once again thanks for the response.
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Im not trying to bump Trip's protocal, but you only make about 30mg of DHEA a day naturally, so I wouldnt go over 50mg from supplments, 25mg 2x a day, esp with Sunami. But on cycle, I would see the need for DHEA since you prob wont be making 2 much naturally, just keep in mind you only make about 30mg a day.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
I'm not trying to bump Trip's protocal, but you only make about 30mg of DHEA a day naturally, so I wouldnt go over 50mg from supplments, 25mg 2x a day, esp with Sunami. But on cycle, I would see the need for DHEA since you prob wont be making 2 much naturally, just keep in mind you only make about 30mg a day.
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I'm going by what people have done on superdrol and halodrol cycles. Once shutdown from the prohormones/steroids lethargy becomes a huge issue when no test is present (usually around day 10-12). The point of high dosing dhea (150-200mg) on a suppressive oral cycle is to provide a small amount of test to keep lethargy away, and help with libido loss. Off cycle I agree totally that 50mg is the max anyone would need. Adding Sunami with dhea adds a whole new world to combat suppression on oral only cycles.
 
TripDog said:
I'm going by what people have done on superdrol and halodrol cycles. Once shutdown from the prohormones/steroids lethargy becomes a huge issue when no test is present (usually around day 10-12). The point of high dosing dhea (150-200mg) on a suppressive oral cycle is to provide a small amount of test to keep lethargy away, and help with libido loss. Off cycle I agree totally that 50mg is the max anyone would need. Adding Sunami with dhea adds a whole new world to combat suppression on oral only cycles.
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Sounds cool, I would just start low and maybe try to take 25mg something like 5x a day to not "shotgun" your body with DHEA. Thats why Raw Test was (is) a good product for this purpose, it was/is time released.
 
Thanks Trip and chuck for your input. It is day seven of the epi and I am going to start my sunami today with about six 25mg time released dhea's a day. Hope all goes well. Thanks again chuck for making great products. Its great to know that when I get off epi I have a whole bottle of dthc waiting for me to keep my gains and get stronger. Thanks Guys
 
bachy said:
Thanks Trip and chuck for your input. It is day seven of the epi and I am going to start my sunami today with about six 25mg time released dhea's a day. Hope all goes well. Thanks again chuck for making great products. Its great to know that when I get off epi I have a whole bottle of dthc waiting for me to keep my gains and get stronger. Thanks Guys
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If you havent tried the DHEA yet, I would start with 2 a day and go up from there, esp if your on Sunami.
 
starting today. i will start with two. one right now with my sunami and one before bed with my other sunami. the dhea are timed released so i should be set.
 
bachy said:
starting today. i will start with two. one right now with my sunami and one before bed with my other sunami. the dhea are timed released so i should be set.
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Yea try that and assess how that works. If you notice lethargy you can increase the dhea as needed.
 
Yeah I did try the DHEA and ran 50 mgs a day and it worked great. Libido was high the entire time. Just want to say also that after that little mini cycle I ran the DTHC again and again it was great. That is my favorite natural test booster ever. Hands down.
 
Pretty sure the libido drop with Epi is because of estrogen supression. That's just a hypothesis, though. Mine was very strong until the end of week 4 @ 40mg
 
Don't forget that the bioavailability of oral DHEA is very low...so to get the equivalent of 30mg active you would need to take around 300mg at least.

I'd go in between 50-150 mg on an epi product.
 
dsade said:
Don't forget that the bioavailability of oral DHEA is very low...so to get the equivalent of 30mg active you would need to take around 300mg at least.

I'd go in between 50-150 mg on an epi product.
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take 300mg of what? I respond really well to 50mg of DHEA a day, orally. Sht I respond to 25mg also.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
take 300mg of what? I respond really well to 50mg of DHEA a day, orally. Sht I respond to 25mg also.
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While experiencing low libido on a non-test cycle?

I get results, while on Havoc, from between 50-100mg DHEA. Nothing under that.

Using COQ Diesel/DTH in combination would likely necessitate a lower dose and solve libido probs.
 
dsade said:
While experiencing low libido on a non-test cycle?

I get results, while on Havoc, from between 50-100mg DHEA. Nothing under that.

Using COQ Diesel/DTH in combination would likely necessitate a lower dose and solve libido probs.
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It didn't affect my libido, I take it for aggression and training intensity.
 
dsade said:
Don't forget that the bioavailability of oral DHEA is very low...so to get the equivalent of 30mg active you would need to take around 300mg at least.

I'd go in between 50-150 mg on an epi product.
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So that equates to about ~10% active when going oral and isn't it ~40% transdermal?
 
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