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I have a friend who is 20 and only been liftin for a year (6'2" and 170lbs...ouch). Well I just found out that he started a injectable Sustonon/Test E cycle. I told him he is totally messed up but he is inpatient and has been on drugs of all sorts since 15 so there was no helping him. I guess he's doing 1ml (not sure the dosage because his supplyer keeps the vials) of Sust working up to 1.5 ml per week. Pinning 1ml once and after a couple weeks doing 1ml and .5ml later in the week. He is doing the same protocol for both for 10 weeks.

I am 20 as well and all natural, been lifting for 2-3 years and know my ****. All my lifts are 50% stronger than his. I just got him doing legs and he is following my routine now. I am doing what I can for him. I am getting him some nolva and milk thistle so he doesn't completely screw himself. I know he should have more support supps, but he wasn't gonna do any and doesn't wanna pay much. So I am doing what I can. He's a week in with quicker recovery, with small strength increases. I am working side by side with him to see if he can evertually pass my maxes.

What can he expect? When will gains peak? His supplyer says up to 40lbs by the time he is done. I bet he keeps 10, but we'll see. I cant change his mind so I'm just trying to make it as good and safe as possible.
 
why is he running sustanon ad test e, they are both long esters of test. Sometimes people just have to learn the hard way. If he eats and trains right he can expect to gain a lot of mass and strength as far as keeping it its up to him.
 
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I have no idea why he is running both of those. His source has used it and gained a quite bit so he is listening to him. The guy he gets it from did a couple "normal" cycles and was like 260 at 5'11" and decided to run 3x the normal does without PCT and now looks like a fat little girl at like 200lbs. Never said him or my friend were smart though. I am all natural and know only a little about injectibles from limited research. I know a ton about orals and pct from researching some oral cycles I might do in a few years. I know enough about injectible to know that a cycle of just test e is perfect for a first, but it's not me so what can you do.........
 
Motox said:
why is he running sustanon ad test e, they are both long esters of test. Sometimes people just have to learn the hard way. If he eats and trains right he can expect to gain a lot of mass and strength as far as keeping it its up to him.
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Sust is actually a test blend composed of short, medium, and long estered testosterones...if he shoots the sust eod he could see some gains kicking in earlier due to the test prop and test phenylprop both contained in sust. Personally I wouldn't run both sust and test e, and would pick either or but it's fine, just not neccessary.
 
Also, I think it's bad that he jumped the gun with so little training experience, if you were truly a good friend you'd make him stop and show him that taking short cuts like taking AAS will not make up for his lack of training experience. If you know what his doses are it would be helpful as well, I have a gut feeling he's taking too much and not properly administered as well.
 
srx600 said:
What can he expect? When will gains peak? His supplyer says up to 40lbs by the time he is done. I bet he keeps 10, but we'll see.
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depends on how long he runs it, and how he eats. 40 is near impossible tho. 20-25 maybe at 12 weeks. and you get to where you start having to bump dosage too
 
srx600 said:
What can he expect? When will gains peak? His supplyer says up to 40lbs by the time he is done. I bet he keeps 10, but we'll see. I cant change his mind so I'm just trying to make it as good and safe as possible.
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Yikes. I haven't heard/read of a way to make it safe when you are that young.

We'll see how he feels about juice a month or two after his cycle.
 
tell him to stop being a fool and start pct now.

1. hes not using enough to gain anything really
2. 40lbs? i highly ****ing doubt it
3. try 10lbs
4. he wont keep any of it
5. this post has ruined my vision of a brighter future for mankind
 
z06 said:
Also, I think it's bad that he jumped the gun with so little training experience, if you were truly a good friend you'd make him stop and show him that taking short cuts like taking AAS will not make up for his lack of training experience.
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Sounds like he tried this already.
 
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There was no budging him. I tried. Now I will just sit back, watch, and help how I can. Hopefully it will give me first hand knowledge for if I ever want to do a cycle in a few years. I will be able to see how is is progressing, the sides, and the strenght and mass gains. I'll be sure to keep you updated.
 
srx600 said:
There was no budging him. I tried. Now I will just sit back, watch, and help how I can. Hopefully it will give me first hand knowledge for if I ever want to do a cycle in a few years. I will be able to see how is is progressing, the sides, and the strength and mass gains. I'll be sure to keep you updated.
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The thing is, is your body is going to be in a completely different state in 4-5 years time. What happens to him now won't necessarily be what you have in store for you... though one can be sure, you will be much more ready, and much less apt to hurting yourself if you wait.
 
and the 20lbs you gain can be 20lbs of muscle you keep, rather than 10lbs of muscle and 10lbs of fat, of which you loose 5lbs of the muscle but keep all the fat, like will happen with your friend.
 
id cut the test E and stick to the sus...make sure he has a pct lined up.

i agree that ending it now and hitting pct would be ideal but i highly doubt he will listen.
...prob not worth your breath.
 
srx600 said:
There was no budging him. I tried. Now I will just sit back, watch, and help how I can. Hopefully it will give me first hand knowledge for if I ever want to do a cycle in a few years. I will be able to see how is is progressing, the sides, and the strenght and mass gains. I'll be sure to keep you updated.
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I'd still keep at him about this cycle... don't give up hope. I wish I hounded my friend a little more. He started a 10 week D-bol cycle at some pretty high doses at 19 yo w/ NO knowledge about AAS or even what a pct is and he hadn't been lifting for that long. :fool2: He saw some pretty nasty sides, some of which didn't go away.... So keep at him bout it. And GMG is right, when your older it'll be ALOT different.
 
10 week dbol solo? uck. maybe at 10mg or something otherwise its quick wet gains that all go away in pct.
 
srx600 said:
There was no budging him. I tried. Now I will just sit back, watch, and help how I can. Hopefully it will give me first hand knowledge for if I ever want to do a cycle in a few years. I will be able to see how is is progressing, the sides, and the strength and mass gains. I'll be sure to keep you updated.
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at this point get him Nolva for sure......he might even have to run it while "on" with that much test.......this i from my limited knowledge of injectable AAS though.....he's going to need it anyway.
 
so his supplier keeps the vials and your friend comes over to shoot up? lol

hmmm not a bad idea? whatever

anyways, 1ml of each? so 500mg a week? then bump up to 750mg/wk later?

whatever it is, depending how much he eats, he wont get 40lbs,,,he better eat 6000+ cal a day or more he sounds like ectomorph

if theres no stopping him, then let him run it through

if the dosage is under 500mg/wk he wont see much at all

you should post his before and after pic :toofunny: of his legs!
 
update

3rd week complete and here are the results:

-He's up 5lbs even though his diet is still pretty shitty.

-Stength and endurance significantly increased.

-All excercises are about 15-30lbs less than mine, except squats and deads where the difference is about 100lbs. (He just started doing these though.

- Week 5 he goes up to 1.5ml of sustanon 250.

By then his strength and weight should be closer to mine. He's 180lbs at 6'2" and I'm 5'11" at 190lbs, both about 15% but I can tell he's leaning out and fuller.
 
DENIAL:

Denial of fact: This form of denial is where someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood (commission), leaving out certain details in order to tailor a story (omission), or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as "yesing" behavior). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies in order to avoid facts that they think may be potentially painful to themselves or others.

Denial of responsibility: This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying. Blaming is a direct statement shifting culpability and may overlap with denial of fact. Minimizing is an attempt to make the effects or results of an action appear to be less harmful than they may actually be. Justifying is when someone takes a choice and attempts to make that choice look okay due to their perception of what is "right" in a situation. Someone using denial of responsibility is usually attempting to avoid potential harm or pain by shifting attention away from themselves.

Denial of impact: Denial of impact involves a person avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms their behavior have caused to themselves or others. By doing this, that person is able to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent that person from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.

Denial of awareness: This type of denial is best discussed by looking at the concept of state dependent learning[2]. People using this type of denial will avoid pain and harm by stating they were in a different state of awareness (such as alcohol or drug intoxication or on occasion mental health related). This type of denial often overlaps with denial of responsibility.

Denial of cycle: Many who use this type of denial will say things such as, "it just happened." Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated. The pain and harm being avoided by this type of denial is more of the effort needed to change the focus from a singular event to looking at preceding events. It can also serve as a way to blame or justify behavior (see above).

Denial of denial: This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviors. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviors which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one's personal behavior. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion.
 
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DENIAL:

Denial of fact: This form of denial is where someone avoids a fact by lying. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood (commission), leaving out certain details in order to tailor a story (omission), or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as "yesing" behavior). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies in order to avoid facts that they think may be potentially painful to themselves or others.

Denial of responsibility: This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying. Blaming is a direct statement shifting culpability and may overlap with denial of fact. Minimizing is an attempt to make the effects or results of an action appear to be less harmful than they may actually be. Justifying is when someone takes a choice and attempts to make that choice look okay due to their perception of what is "right" in a situation. Someone using denial of responsibility is usually attempting to avoid potential harm or pain by shifting attention away from themselves.

Denial of impact: Denial of impact involves a person avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms their behavior have caused to themselves or others. By doing this, that person is able to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent that person from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.

Denial of awareness: This type of denial is best discussed by looking at the concept of state dependent learning[2]. People using this type of denial will avoid pain and harm by stating they were in a different state of awareness (such as alcohol or drug intoxication or on occasion mental health related). This type of denial often overlaps with denial of responsibility.

Denial of cycle: Many who use this type of denial will say things such as, "it just happened." Denial of cycle is where a person avoids looking at their decisions leading up to an event or does not consider their pattern of decision making and how harmful behavior is repeated. The pain and harm being avoided by this type of denial is more of the effort needed to change the focus from a singular event to looking at preceding events. It can also serve as a way to blame or justify behavior (see above).

Denial of denial: This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviors. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviors which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one's personal behavior. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion.
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denial?

I don't know if that posting was in regard to me or my friend, but I tried everything to get him to stop and he won't. All I can do is sit back and watch and give advice for him to be safe. If you can't stop them, you might as well learn from them and get as much 1st hand info. as you can.
 
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