i dont think we need the Mother of All Bombs JUST yet... They have done some nice things to our cutters and I think they would be a good gift to any Army, more so Israel. I am not wanting them to give away our best stuff.. just very effective stuff
Yeah, you can tell its an "Israel is Evil" portrayl by the media at the moment. That and the "Hezbollah More of an Advesary that Israeil Prepared For" headlines. Israel could wipe out that entire country if that's what they were trying to do...the only reason why its taking them so long is because they don't intentionally want to harm innocents. That's just it though...these crazy ****ers dont think twice about taking out 2 giant civilian buildings, hijacking planes, etc. Israel blows up the wrong building in a WAR and now they're the bad guy.Is it just me or does the media seem to be playing up the "civilians" vs "legitimate" Hizaballa targets (if there is such a thing) being killed in Lebanon while ignoring the fact that almost ALL of the Hizaballa rockets kill Israeli civilians not military targets?
That's because Israel is kicking the crap out of them. If it were the other way around, Hezbollah would be the media's new bad guy. Never mind they're shooting missiles into Israel deliberately trying to kill civilians...I think it is funny that every one is talking about how to impose a cease fire while the main culprit, the Hizballah, has been insisting that they would not cease fire and would fight any international troops that set foot in South Lebanon. Yeah, I am sure all those international effort would work.....
People are really stupid.How can anyone with half a brain in their head not realize that Hezbollah is part of an evil jihadist terror movement that killed more than 3,000 Americans on 9/11 and continues to blow up innocents thruout the world? Israel is doing the dirty work for the entire infidel world.
All the absolute truth is always so simple.... :lol: :lol: :lol:People are really stupid.
I dont have undying love for him, but what he said in those two videos was the truth. Moreso than anything else we've seen from the meida recently, anyway.I don't know those who profess undying love for him, truly understand his hard core philosophy or just simply latching onto anything that rips into Bush.
Not really. Pat is wrong on many things on that first interview. He claimed that Israel is destroying Lebanon's democracy. Now, that is pure crap. He is wrong on that. Nobody believes that Lebanese democracy is under assault. The majority of Lebanese hate the Hizballah and what they brought to Lebanon. They can't say that on TV b/c Hizballah thugs will kill them. The only one who can criticise Hizballah is Walib Jumblatt, the Druce chieftain/warlord. So, all the alleged Lebanese support for Hizballah is just crap. People who profess to be skeptical about everything, are too quickly to believe what they hear or see from Al Manar and Al jazeera. Selective objectivity. lolI dont have undying love for him, but what he said in those two videos was the truth. Moreso than anything else we've seen from the meida recently, anyway.
BV
I don't have an undying love for Pat, but I do agree with him on many things politically. At least he's for securing our borders unlike bushy.Unfortunately, Pat is inconsequential these days. Pat is intelligent but he can't bring home the bacon, so to speak.
I don't know those who profess undying love for him, truly understand his hard core philosophy or just simply latching onto anything that rips into Bush.
Yes, obviously Israel can do know wrong... They are always right, 100% of the time.Not really. Pat is wrong on many things on that first interview. He claimed that Israel is destroying Lebanon's democracy. Now, that is pure crap. He is wrong on that. Nobody believes that Lebanese democracy is under assault. The majority of Lebanese hate the Hizballah and what they brought to Lebanon. They can't say that on TV b/c Hizballah thugs will kill them. The only one who can criticise Hizballah is Walib Jumblatt, the Druce chieftain/warlord. So, all the alleged Lebanese support for Hizballah is just crap. People who profess to be skeptical about everything, are too quickly to believe what they hear or see from Al Manar and Al jazeera. Selective objectivity. lol
Everybody is happy that Hizballah is getting neutered and are rotten glad that the Israelis are doing it for them. But they can't say that publicly. You have to appear to criticize Israel and sympathize with your Arab brethens. Nothing is worse than being seen as a Zionist sympathizer.
Pat also attributed to Zarqawi for initing Sunni-Sh1te civil war. That is a betrayal of his lack of understanding of the situation on the ground there. First of all, there is no civil war. You can't have a civil war when one side cannot field an army. The Sunnis are simply out gunned and out manned. They are down to 15% of the population and the country's military and police are under Sh1te and Kurds' control. The Sunnis Baathist deadenders are resorting to setting off carbombs to murder Sh1tes while Sh1tes just go in and settle old scores. This has been going on before Zarqawi. The Sh1te and Kurdish death squats have been systematically hunting down their Sunni oppressors. They have a long list they are working off. The settling of scores have been going on since Saddam's overthrown.
People who talk about civil war, do not understand what is actually going on over there.
In short, Pat is not adding anything to the table there. He is just as confused as most.
I would tend to side with Israel over this conflict, if only because they're on 'our' side, and because of the situation in the world today Americans are hated by the people Israel is fighting.Yes, obviously Israel can do know wrong... They are always right, 100% of the time.
In that second interview, Pat is reading the same script that Jim Carter has been reading from. Unfortunately for both, they failed to check out the actual Hizballah targets embedded in those sites that Israel hits.
It is utter nonsense to claim that Israeli were inflicting punishment on the Lebanese paper. No, it isn't that Israel is so stupid as to attack Lebanese civilians. The stupidity is in Pat and Carter for not checking out the facts.
They read in the media that "Israel bombed Beirut" and actually ignorant enough to think Israel was just bombing Beirut indiscriminately. Yeah, I am sure Israel just want to waste ammo blindly. Everything Israel hits has a purpose for destroying. Israeli has been hitting Hizballah targets embedded inside that particular sites that IDF attacked. DUH!!! Do you think the Israelis are really that stupid as to think that bombing Lebanese is going to neutralize Hizballah! C'mon!!!! Wake up! lol No, the Israelis are anything but stupid. The stupidity is most likely on your part. lol
When people are totally puzzled at how blatantly stupid Israel is, they should stop and think for a moment. Because in reality, the stupidity is more than likely on your part, for failing to find out what actually is going on. If you wonder how Israel can be this stupid, than you are right, Israel is not that stupid, and the stupidity is on your part indeed, b/c you are drawing conclusions without knowing the complete facts. LOL
P.S. I am using the 'YOU' in a generic sense, and it is obivously not directed toward anyone in particular.
I don't think people are calling Israel stupid here, rather questioning their means of going after Hizbollah. They seem to be rather ruthless in their bombing of Beirut, with a seeming lack of concern for civilian casualties, all under the guise of attacking Hizbollah holdings. I just don't see the justification of bombing a countries infrastructure into the stone age in order to weed out some terrorists. Where do you draw the line? The blatant lack of regard for human life is what I find most appalling about this whole situation. Are you going to tell me that the UN outpost that was bombed into oblivion was a Hizbollah target as well?
Call me liberal if you like, bleeding heart, whatever, but once we lost compassion how are we any better than the terrorists that we profess to be after? You can't honestly tell me you actually believe that somebody who just had their city demolished by air strikes is happy about it because Hizbollah may be weakened somewhat.
I wholeheartedly agree with Buchanan's assessment (whether Jimmy Carter said it before I really don't give a rat's ass about) that the reason the middle East hates the US so much is because of it's actions, not just for it's existence.
Of course, I would rather be planning my next vacation to Mars and beyond. When I was growing up, we were told that by 2000, we would be colonizing Mars, driving cars that fly, no longer suffering from illness and disease, enjoying abundant and free energy. There would be no more war nor hunger. Humanity would be devoting all its effort and energy to self enlightenment and art and culture... Blahblahblah... I have been LIED TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I would tend to side with Israel over this conflict, if only because they're on 'our' side, and because of the situation in the world today Americans are hated by the people Israel is fighting.
From a purely human perspective though, its all total bull****. Human civilization has been around for 15,000 years and we'll still fight like a bunch of jungle bound chimpanzees. Pathetic, really.
BV
I will address the attack on the UN post later, as there is an article I want to refer to but can't locate it at the moment.I don't think people are calling Israel stupid here, rather questioning their means of going after Hizbollah. They seem to be rather ruthless in their bombing of Beirut, with a seeming lack of concern for civilian casualties, all under the guise of attacking Hizbollah holdings. I just don't see the justification of bombing a countries infrastructure into the stone age in order to weed out some terrorists. Where do you draw the line? The blatant lack of regard for human life is what I find most appalling about this whole situation. Are you going to tell me that the UN outpost that was bombed into oblivion was a Hizbollah target as well?
Call me liberal if you like, bleeding heart, whatever, but once we lost compassion how are we any better than the terrorists that we profess to be after? You can't honestly tell me you actually believe that somebody who just had their city demolished by air strikes is happy about it because Hizbollah may be weakened somewhat.
I wholeheartedly agree with Buchanan's assessment (whether Jimmy Carter said it before I really don't give a rat's ass about) that the reason the middle East hates the US so much is because of it's actions, not just for it's existence.
Well, that's the way that war goes. A legitimate military target is a legitimate military target. Not to mention that these people were warned that the Israelis were going to attack and were given a chance to leave. Don't give me crap about people not wanting to leave their homes; if I know an F-16 is coming with heavy ordinance, I'm out of there.I think that both sides should be sharing the blame for what's going on in Lebanon. I simply find it cowardly to bomb civilian targets in order to hit military targets that may or may not be located nearby or inside.
First, that's easy for you to say when it's not your city that has been attacked with hundreds of rockets a day for weeks on end - rockets loaded with ball bearings to maximize casualties.If somebody takes a hostage in a bank robbery or some such other event, should police just say screw it and shoot the hostage and hostage takers?
..... Are you going to tell me that the UN outpost that was bombed into oblivion was a Hizbollah target as well?.....
The civilian areas are leafletted before attacks ensue.I simply find it cowardly to bomb civilian targets in order to hit military targets that may or may not be located nearby or inside.
That does make you wonder for sure, why the UN observers hadn't left the post when there was shelling so close to their station. The Canadian member who died there has been portrayed as a "tough guy" by the media here, (as described by his friends), I wonder if it was bravado on his part and that of the other UN members that caused them not to abandon the post?http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3282569,00.html
UN observer: Hizbullah using us as shields
"....Six days before he was killed in an Israel Air Force bombing of a United Nations post in southern Lebanon, Canadian observer Major Paeta Hess-von Kruendener sent an email to his former commander in the Canadian army, in which he said that Hizbullah fighters were "running around" near the UN post struck by the Israel Defense Forces and that they were using the post as a sort of "shield" against Israel' s strikes.
The former commander, Major-General Lewis MacKenzie, who served as a UN commander in Bosnia, spoke about the email in a Canadian radio show. He said that Hess-von Kruendener wrote that the IDF strikes near the post had "not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity."
"That would mean Hizbullah was purposely setting up near the UN post," he added. "It's a tactic."
Hess-von Kruendener even sent an email to the Canadian television network CTV a few days before his death, in which he spoke about the IDF's bombardments near his UN post and said that he feared for his life.
He sought to provide the public in his country with a "Canadian outlook" on the war in Lebanon from a post of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, at a distance of 10 kilometers (6.21 miles) from the country's border with Israel.
Another three UN observers were killed in the strike.
In an email sent six days before he was killed, Hess-von Kruendener wrote that he felt he was in great danger.
"What I can tell you is this. We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (6.562 feet) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (328.1 feet) from our patrol base," he said.
(NOTE : The million dollar questions is : Why didn't they pull out? What was their purpose there afterall, especially when bombs were landing next to them? )
The Canadian soldier tried to describe his experiences as an unarmed soldier who is nonetheless in the line of fire.
The UN post, he wrote, provided a view of the "Hizbullah static positions in and around our patrol Base."
"It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and Hizbullah has taken place in our area," he wrote, adding that it was too dangerous to venture out on patrols.
Hess-von Kruendener, whose last letters were quoted in many Canadian and global media outlets, was stationed at a UNIFIL post in southern Lebanon for nine months. He served as a Canadian Forces infantry officer for 20 years and was previously stationed in Cyprus, Congo and Kosovo. ........................................."
The thing you have to remember is that being part of the UN forces stationed anywhere is SUPPOSED to be a shield, meaning that if there is a UN post somewhere, UN members know they should not bomb there, no matter what, and intervene in other ways... Such as ground assault or light weapons fire. No bombing.That does make you wonder for sure, why the UN observers hadn't left the post when there was shelling so close to their station. The Canadian member who died there has been portrayed as a "tough guy" by the media here, (as described by his friends), I wonder if it was bravado on his part and that of the other UN members that caused them not to abandon the post?
Protecting UN credibility? Sadly, you are a dime short and a day late. You need to check out what the Hizballah has been doing to the UN observers for the last decade. You speak of what you know not.The thing you have to remember is that being part of the UN forces stationed anywhere is SUPPOSED to be a shield, meaning that if there is a UN post somewhere, UN members know they should not bomb there, no matter what, and intervene in other ways... Such as ground assault or light weapons fire. No bombing.
When the UN unarmed personnel moves from their "safe" place, then they become much more of a possible target in the havoc of a combat situation. In all likelihood, these guys assumed that the Israeli were high-tech enough to bomb CLOSE but not AT their station. Which they are. That they would respect their duties as UN members and NOT kill "their own". Which they did. If I were president of the UN, I'd kick Israel out and bomb one of their military bases. Little lesson for any other smart-asses that are willing to undermine THE ONLY TRUE MULTINATIONAL ORDER FORCE.
And now that the credibility of the UN has been even more undermined by Israel, who will keep order? That's right, every time you undermine the force of order, chaos ensues. THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. That it does proves beyond a doubt that Israel does not care for anything else than vengeance. It is a very narcissistic state and order beyond its border is of little import to it. Otherwise they would not be behaving the way they are.
It does raise question. Unlike some people want to portray, the UNIFIL is very adapted at self preservation and have backed down repeatedly when been shoved by Hizballah. So, why they were not withdrawn from direct line of fire, makes no sense whatsoever.That does make you wonder for sure, why the UN observers hadn't left the post when there was shelling so close to their station. The Canadian member who died there has been portrayed as a "tough guy" by the media here, (as described by his friends), I wonder if it was bravado on his part and that of the other UN members that caused them not to abandon the post?
I think the bolded line best sums up the quandry that Israel finds themselves in. If they take a hardline stance (which they are prone to doing much of the time) they face the wrath of the outside world. If they don't take the hardline stance then they are seen as soft from factions within Israel.People like to assume that Israel is so dumb, so careless, so shortsighted and so whatever, as to make enemies of the Lebanese civilian wholesale. You ignore the fact that unlike you, the Israelis are stuck there. They live there. They have to face the aftermath of the mess. They are not stupid. They know better than you do, about the consequences of what they do and don't do. They know better than the rest of the world, what can come back to bite them on the ass. They have been living through that since the founding of Israel. So they do what they need to do, picking the least fvcked up option from a collect of totally fvcked up choices.
Israel would be rotten glad if it can sign peace treaties with all Arab nations and open order with all of them.
I am symphathetic towards the Palestinians and the Arabs. Like everyone else, while not that it matters in the greater scheme of things, I too want to see the Palestinians live and prosper in their own country. But you can't be plotting to push the Jews back into the sea and take Jerusalem.
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