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whit2417 said:
Rocket, do you think you could put on some size with true shed if you were eating above maintenance?
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You will always be able to gain weight if you are eating above maintenance.

I would say True Shred will help keep you lean if you trying to mass build.
 
Joepower said:
You will always be able to gain weight if you are eating above maintenance.

I would say True Shred will help keep you lean if you trying to mass build.
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I believe this to be 100% correct !!
 
is it safe to run two bottles of true shed back to back? If not, what would you suggest switching to after finished with true shed?
 
whit2417 said:
is it safe to run two bottles of true shed back to back? If not, what would you suggest switching to after finished with true shed?
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No problem !!
 
Gotta say, people are really digging transdermals.

We have had guys asking about the return of sustain for a long time and we have always had nothing but positive feedback on Dermacrine.
 
musclemaker said:
Gotta say, people are really digging transdermals.

We have had guys asking about the return of sustain for a long time and we have always had nothing but positive feedback on Dermacrine.
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Yeah I really like transdermal products. Having children makes it a little more difficult in terms of application sites and timing but I still prefer them often times over orals.
 
what is will i need to run a safe stack of 1-andro? Any suggestions for which 1-andro product to run and what to use for On-cycle/ postcycle support? Or should I just go with ostarine? It would be my first time using a prohormone or sarm so just looking for some advice/ recommended products.
 
whit2417 said:
what is will i need to run a safe stack of 1-andro? Any suggestions for which 1-andro product to run and what to use for On-cycle/ postcycle support? Or should I just go with ostarine? It would be my first time using a prohormone or sarm so just looking for some advice/ recommended products.
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whit2417 said:
what is will i need to run a safe stack of 1-andro? Any suggestions for which 1-andro product to run and what to use for On-cycle/ postcycle support? Or should I just go with ostarine? It would be my first time using a prohormone or sarm so just looking for some advice/ recommended products.
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Super Mandro is the go to 1-Andro, only product that gives you the full 330mg daily dose. I would actually suggest jumping on this stack as it has test base as well as cycle support:

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/mandro-the-giant-stack

For post cycle I would suggest post cycle 3x. If you go on the more aggressive side and run your cycle longer (6-8 weeks) I would go with K1ng's Blood.

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/post-cycle-3x-by-vital-labs

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/k1ngs-blood-by-olympus-labs
 
much appreciated musclemaker Although, I wanted to stay away from the 4-andro because from what i understood it converts to DHT and can attribute to hair loss etc. Is 1-andro useless to run without also running the 4-andro? I guess that is what I am a little confused about..
 
whit2417 said:
much appreciated musclemaker Although, I wanted to stay away from the 4-andro because from what i understood it converts to DHT and can attribute to hair loss etc. Is 1-andro useless to run without also running the 4-andro? I guess that is what I am a little confused about..
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a lot of people run dermacrine with 1-andro to combat lethargy and keep libido up.

of course, I am a big fan!!!
 
musclemaker said:
Gotta say, people are really digging transdermals.

We have had guys asking about the return of sustain for a long time and we have always had nothing but positive feedback on Dermacrine.
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love to hear this...I've been a fan of trandermals all the way back to the days of e-form!!!
 
whit2417 said:
much appreciated musclemaker Although, I wanted to stay away from the 4-andro because from what i understood it converts to DHT and can attribute to hair loss etc. Is 1-andro useless to run without also running the 4-andro? I guess that is what I am a little confused about..
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Most of the guys here nailed it on the head, you can absolutely use Dermacrine. Dermacrine and 4-andro products are the best test base supplements.

Nothing but positive feedback on Dermacrine: https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/dermacrine-by-iconic-formulations
 
So 1-Andro is effective without the 4-andro? So I would need 1-andro, on-cycle support, pct and dermacrine would be a bonus if it was in the budget?
 
whit2417 said:
So 1-Andro is effective without the 4-andro? So I would need 1-andro, on-cycle support, pct and dermacrine would be a bonus if it was in the budget?
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I would add something to help combat lethargy that is often associated with 1-andro. Yes it can technically be “bonus” but the whole purpose of adding would be to make sure you feel good on cycle to maximize performance. Nothing worse than feeling sluggish and run down on cycle. You can pick from 4-andro, Epi-andro, or dermacrine. Any of those options should be sufficient and keep you feeling good and the gains will come!
 
Thank you, from what i have researched that 4-andro and epi-andro converts to estrogen and can be nasty on the hairline... I was mostly interested in the 1-andro for the minimal sides. Although i have seen a lot of people say its almost not worth it and doesn't do much alone? i.e. without adding the 4 or epi.
 
whit2417 said:
Thank you, from what i have researched that 4-andro and epi-andro converts to estrogen and can be nasty on the hairline... I was mostly interested in the 1-andro for the minimal sides. Although i have seen a lot of people say its almost not worth it and doesn't do much alone? i.e. without adding the 4 or epi.
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Its not that it doesnt do much alone its more because whem you take it alone the lethargy will kick your ass
 
whit2417 said:
Thank you, from what i have researched that 4-andro and epi-andro converts to estrogen and can be nasty on the hairline... I was mostly interested in the 1-andro for the minimal sides. Although i have seen a lot of people say its almost not worth it and doesn't do much alone? i.e. without adding the 4 or epi.
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Epi-andro doesn't convert to estro, it converts to DHT, which is somewhat anti-estrogenic. 1-andro actually has lethaegy sides, which is why supplementing with 4AD and Epi-andro is so common.
 
mountainman33 said:
Epi-andro doesn't convert to estro, it converts to DHT, which is somewhat anti-estrogenic. 1-andro actually has lethaegy sides, which is why supplementing with 4AD and Epi-andro is so common.
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And the DHT is the culprit of the hair issue... which is what I was trying to stay away from, which is why 1-andro seemed the best option. So I am trying to figure out the best way to run that solo and combat the lethargy...
 
whit2417 said:
And the DHT is the culprit of the hair issue... which is what I was trying to stay away from, which is why 1-andro seemed the best option. So I am trying to figure out the best way to run that solo and combat the lethargy...
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When you are saying 4-Andro converts to DHT that comes from 4-Andro converting to testosterone, and testosterone converts to DHT.

I have never really heard of anyone experiencing hair loss from 4-andro but I am not going to say it is not possible. Again, I think your safest bet is Dermacrine.
 
musclemaker said:
When you are saying 4-Andro converts to DHT that comes from 4-Andro converting to testosterone, and testosterone converts to DHT.

I have never really heard of anyone experiencing hair loss from 4-andro but I am not going to say it is not possible. Again, I think your safest bet is Dermacrine.
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another vote for dermacrine here!!!
 
musclemaker said:
When you are saying 4-Andro converts to DHT that comes from 4-Andro converting to testosterone, and testosterone converts to DHT.

I have never really heard of anyone experiencing hair loss from 4-andro but I am not going to say it is not possible. Again, I think your safest bet is Dermacrine.
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Agreed with this. Your best best is going to be dermacrine.
 
Afi140 said:
Or any of us on the strong team as well.
thebigt knows his stuff too ;)
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I have a lot of different people saying different things about the super mandro cycle I wanted to run. I was planning on using super mandro, protex for oncycle support and dermacrine as a test base. I also planned on using post cycle 3x by vital labs for PCT. The following is the advice that is throwing me off:

You have some proper misconceptions here to say the least

1. 4ad converts to test, dermacrine converts to test just at a much smaller rate. So it's just a more expensive test base. It's not the same 100% as it's dhea but regarding test, yeah as I said.

2. A test base gives you estrogen and dht

3. 1andro will shut you down and you wont have any e2 and dht, and you will feel like crap and will want to quit the cycle

4. Dermacrine is not enough for a proper test base

5. 4ad will not cause hair loss lol. 330mg's of 4ad wont even get you to your own natural testosterone levels, so why would it cause hair loss.

5. Do more research, obviously

6. 4ad and epiandro would be the best test base. 330mg 4ad and 500 - 1000 epi. 500 just as a base, 1000 for more results.

7. A serm for pct is a must! You will be shut down. Forget the otc pct stuff. That is just an add on if you think you need it. Get tamoxifen or clomid or torem.

Best of luck with your cycle.
 
Basically it comes down to what sides you’re willing to accept. This doesn’t mean they will come but there is always a risk.

I am prone to male pattern baldness and have never had an issue with epiandro.

I am not prone to gyno and never had an issue with 4-andro.

I have ran 1 andro with dermacrine and it was a sufficient test base. There were a few tired days but overall I was pleased.

I have ran an andro cycle without a serm and recovered but don’t have blood work to show the extent. We can’t recommend you (legally) to get a serm but it can definitely help speed up the recovery process. You can run them alongside an otc product.

There is also blood work with otc pct like rebirth from black lion on this forum with Labs if you want to look it up.

A lot of what you’re doing is user dependent and will require trial and error on your part. I will say that if you’re looking to dabble in prohormones the andros are going to be the “easiest” by far. If you don’t want to run the risk, however small it may be, then perhaps you should look at some of the newer natty products like ep1logue and vector.
 
Afi140 said:
Basically it comes down to what sides you’re willing to accept. This doesn’t mean they will come but there is always a risk.

I am prone to male pattern baldness and have never had an issue with epiandro.

I am not prone to gyno and never had an issue with 4-andro.

I have ran 1 andro with dermacrine and it was a sufficient test base. There were a few tired days but overall I was pleased.

I have ran an andro cycle without a serm and recovered but don’t have blood work to show the extent. We can’t recommend you (legally) to get a serm but it can definitely help speed up the recovery process. You can run them alongside an otc product.

There is also blood work with otc pct like rebirth from black lion on this forum with Labs if you want to look it up.

A lot of what you’re doing is user dependent and will require trial and error on your part. I will say that if you’re looking to dabble in prohormones the andros are going to be the “easiest” by far. If you don’t want to run the risk, however small it may be, then perhaps you should look at some of the newer natty products like ep1logue and vector.
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did you run the 1-andro solo with the dermacrine as test base? how long?
 
whit2417 said:
did you run the 1-andro solo with the dermacrine as test base? how long?
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Yes and I think it was 6 weeks iirc. Might have been 8. Getting old lol
 
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