Here is his log in case you want to check it out:Rocket is true shred legit?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/300712-rocket-getting-truly.html
Here is his log in case you want to check it out:Rocket is true shred legit?
Thank you!Here is his log in case you want to check it out:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/300712-rocket-getting-truly.html
Ordered a jug just for her.
3 days is too early, wait til week 3 and check the mirror. That's when it starts3 days in on True Shred. Too soon for any significant changes but only thing I am noticing so far is I'm sweating more in the gym. Anybody else do that?
Sounds about right.3 days in on True Shred. Too soon for any significant changes but only thing I am noticing so far is I'm sweating more in the gym. Anybody else do that?
I know right? Lol.Didn't notice that, but if your burning more fat, Take it and Run !!
I know we are getting it but not sure when. It should be soon though.Will strongsupps be getting sustain alpha in soon?
Cheers afiI know we are getting it but not sure when. It should be soon though.
Anytime.Cheers afi
For sure. 3 Weeks in on true shred and he should see some noticeable results.3 days is too early, wait til week 3 and check the mirror. That's when it starts
Thanks for sharing your story brother!Just a heads up, second time I ordered from Strong (two bottles of Vector), second time I had no import taxes. So that is great.
Now I wished that we had the same shipping fees to Belgium as UK (I pay 17$) and a small sample would be nice.
But overall very good experience
Oh, btw less than a week to Belgium. Very fast shippingThanks for sharing your story brother!
Awesome feedback. There are retailers here in the states that use shipping methods that take a week or or more just within our own country lol.Oh, btw less than a week to Belgium. Very fast shipping
Final day to get this deal fellas!
Nice! Is there any difference between this KME and the KME used in Vector?K1ngs Slayer – Royal Gains
Heard: Word around the industry is that Olympus Labs is developing a brand new natural anabolic to replace Or1gin, the muscle gainer they released just last year due to promising research. The product, code name: K1ngs Slayer, is so named for its promise to dethrone all those that came before it.....Read More
We're using 2g of the exact same plant material and same extraction process as used in the following studies.Nice! Is there any difference between this KME and the KME used in Vector?
I don’t think vector discloses extract. Simply based off of KME king slayer has two grams as opposed to one. Obviously extract percentage is what really matters in this situation. Perhaps brundel can give some exact numbers?Nice! Is there any difference between this KME and the KME used in Vector?
The actual extraction method is the most important factor here, if we seek to get to get the results shown in the studies. With any plant extract, the extract method and solvent is going to determine the actives in the extract. For example in our Ignit3's olive leaf extract we extract for oleuropein, this extract contains very little of other actives such as Hydroxy-tyrosol. With Assass1nate we use Olive leaf extract for hydroxy-tyrosol which contains very little oleuropein.I don’t think vector discloses extract. Simply based off of KME king slayer has two grams as opposed to one. Obviously extract percentage is what really matters in this situation. Perhaps brundel can give some exact numbers?
I will say they ingredients are different in both products other than the KME so they both should produce good results but still yield different benefits. The vector feedback had been great so far. I know chedapalooza is using it solo and his blood work showed tremendous increases.
Makes perfect sense. So many actives in these plants the numbers don’t mean much unless we know what is being extracted. Thanks for the clarificationThe actual extraction method is the most important factor here, if we seek to get to get the results shown in the studies. With any plant extract, the extract method and solvent is going to determine the actives in the extract. For example in our Ignit3's olive leaf extract we extract for oleuropein, this extract contains very little of other actives such as Hydroxy-tyrosol. With Assass1nate we use Olive leaf extract for hydroxy-tyrosol which contains very little oleuropein.
Fact is there is no magical 10:1 100:1 1000:1 100000000:1 extract which contains all actives found in a particular plant. Think about it for a second, what does a ratio extract even mean? how does it work? what solvent is used? how is it extracted? what is contained in the end extract? 1 part of what from the 10 parts of the whole plant....
While I’m a fan of Vector and would definitely recommend it, using his bloodwork and saying it’s a benefit of Vector should be frowned upon. Being on TRT would eliminate any evidence that Vector played a factor. Does Vector make TRT more effective? Who knows, maybe, but it is misleading to say Vector is the X factor hereI don’t think vector discloses extract. Simply based off of KME king slayer has two grams as opposed to one. Obviously extract percentage is what really matters in this situation. Perhaps brundel can give some exact numbers?
I will say they ingredients are different in both products other than the KME so they both should produce good results but still yield different benefits. The vector feedback had been great so far. I know chedapalooza is using it solo and his blood work showed tremendous increases.
Obviously being on trt would lead me to clarify my statement. I read his post in passing but clarified that he was on no other supplements in a private forum (did not ask about trt)....While I’m a fan of Vector and would definitely recommend it, using his bloodwork and saying it’s a benefit of Vector should be frowned upon. Being on TRT would eliminate any evidence that Vector played a factor. Does Vector make TRT more effective? Who knows, maybe, but it is misleading to say Vector is the X factor here
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Great points!The actual extraction method is the most important factor here, if we seek to get to get the results shown in the studies. With any plant extract, the extract method and solvent is going to determine the actives in the extract. For example in our Ignit3's olive leaf extract we extract for oleuropein, this extract contains very little of other actives such as Hydroxy-tyrosol. With Assass1nate we use Olive leaf extract for hydroxy-tyrosol which contains very little oleuropein.
Fact is there is no magical 10:1 100:1 1000:1 100000000:1 extract which contains all actives found in a particular plant. Think about it for a second, what does a ratio extract even mean? how does it work? what solvent is used? how is it extracted? what is contained in the end extract? 1 part of what from the 10 parts of the whole plant....
Yep Interested to see how people like the new flavor compared to the two original flavors. Wild Thing in terms of effect is one of my fav pwos right now.I sure you will have lots of applicants !!
There is no confusion.Just to be clear the OL guys stated they are using the extract as dictated in the studies they posted but there are 2 different types of extracts there.
2 are full spectrum water extracts and 1 is standardized for chlorogenic acid.
There appears to be some confusion?
There is also no information regarding strength and while a play is made above to try to say that strength doesnt matter it does.
Generally speaking if you ask for a water extract of KM you will get 10:1. This is standard practice.
So we will assume this. Most but not all KME extracts are water extraction because many of the constituents are water soluble which is of course how we determine extraction process. By understanding the active chemical compounds solubility.
10:1 means your using 10kg to extract down to 1kg end material.
We use 100:1. Which means it takes 100kg to get 1kg.
Now while this doesnt mean its exactly10x stronger than 10:1 (as this varies a bit) it is at least (conservatively) 5-7+ times stronger with regards to the percentage of chemical constituents in a full spectrum extract. This is based not only off of extensive experience but extensive testing we ran on multiple KME extract strengths. It matters. IN fact we doubled the strength of our extract (not the dose but the strength) because there was such a vast difference. Initially we used 2g of a 50:1 and 12 caps per day. We ended up with 1g at 100:1 because it was vastly superior.
Ours is not standardized for Chlorogenic acid as is indicated in their post. So its also not really comparable as they are using a chlorogenic acid extract and we use full spectrum because while chlorogenic acid is all well and good I dont think chlorogenic acid is the primary constituent.
So 1000mg of 100:1 contains more of the active constituents than 2000mg 10:1.
Saying strength doesnt matter is just false information. For example if you made 2 pots of coffee (a water extraction).
If you used 1 scoop of coffee for pot 1 and 10 scoops for pot 2 which one do you think has more caffeine and other constituents in the water?
Obviously #2 with 10x the raw material.
Also keep in mind Vector isnt just KME and while Im a big fan of KME I think Eriobotrya is its superior in every way. This is also what 100% of testers thought who tested both extracts by themselves for comparison. AND rehmannaie is equal to KME at least.
Each of these extracts could have been a successful solo product without doubt but combined......nothing currently compares with regards to strength of effects.
. Enjoy both and everybody wins.Vector fan here, but that in no way is stopping me from getting some king slayer in my blood!
Considering all the positive feedback and hype around KME I would think slayer might be better.So how is K1ng's Slayer supposed to stack up to epilogue and massacre?
This is one of the reasons BLR is the leader in the industry for innovating natural anabolics and pursuing and gaining by leaps and bounds above all others whom will follow in the footsteps. It's pulling the industry from the front. Couldn't be more proud to be affiliated with such a great company and leadership.Just to be clear the OL guys stated they are using the extract as dictated in the studies they posted but there are 2 different types of extracts there.
2 are full spectrum water extracts and 1 is standardized for chlorogenic acid.
There appears to be some confusion?
There is also no information regarding strength and while a play is made above to try to say that strength doesnt matter it does.
Generally speaking if you ask for a water extract of KM you will get 10:1. This is standard practice.
So we will assume this. Most but not all KME extracts are water extraction because many of the constituents are water soluble which is of course how we determine extraction process. By understanding the active chemical compounds solubility.
10:1 means your using 10kg to extract down to 1kg end material.
We use 100:1. Which means it takes 100kg to get 1kg.
Now while this doesnt mean its exactly10x stronger than 10:1 (as this varies a bit) it is at least (conservatively) 5-7+ times stronger with regards to the percentage of chemical constituents in a full spectrum extract. This is based not only off of extensive experience but extensive testing we ran on multiple KME extract strengths. It matters. IN fact we doubled the strength of our extract (not the dose but the strength) because there was such a vast difference. Initially we used 2g of a 50:1 and 12 caps per day. We ended up with 1g at 100:1 because it was vastly superior.
Ours is not standardized for Chlorogenic acid as is indicated in their post. So its also not really comparable as they are using a chlorogenic acid extract and we use full spectrum because while chlorogenic acid is all well and good I dont think chlorogenic acid is the primary constituent.
So 1000mg of 100:1 contains more of the active constituents than 2000mg 10:1.
Saying strength doesnt matter is just false information. For example if you made 2 pots of coffee (a water extraction).
If you used 1 scoop of coffee for pot 1 and 10 scoops for pot 2 which one do you think has more caffeine and other constituents in the water?
Obviously #2 with 10x the raw material.
Also keep in mind Vector isnt just KME and while Im a big fan of KME I think Eriobotrya is its superior in every way. This is also what 100% of testers thought who tested both extracts by themselves for comparison. AND rehmannaie is equal to KME at least.
Each of these extracts could have been a successful solo product without doubt but combined......nothing currently compares with regards to strength of effects.
So I'm not associated with OL or BLR, but I assume when OL said they were using the same extract and dose as in the study, that'd mean that, since they're using 2g, they're using the same extract (method, potency, etc) as the study that used 2g. The extraction method and source material for this extract is clearly and explicitly stated in the full text of the study. Furthermore, claiming that the extract used in the study is a chlorogenic acid dependent/reliant/etc extract simply because it's standardized for chlorogenic acid is also more than a little disingenuous. The extract was standardized for 1.4-2.1mg/g; that's 0.14-0.21% of the extract. It's still a water extract. That still leaves over 99% of the extract to contain other compounds. Also, the other two studies they referenced also used water-extracts. Again, I have no association with OL or BLR, but let's not be disingenuous here; claiming that the extract used in the study is primarily a chlorogenic acid extract is just as silly as claiming that the 1g of Rehmannaie Radix you're using contains a meaningful quantity of betaine, which you actually did mention in your write-up.Just to be clear the OL guys stated they are using the extract as dictated in the studies they posted but there are 2 different types of extracts there.
2 are full spectrum water extracts and 1 is standardized for chlorogenic acid.
There appears to be some confusion?
There is also no information regarding strength and while a play is made above to try to say that strength doesnt matter it does.
Generally speaking if you ask for a water extract of KM you will get 10:1. This is standard practice.
So we will assume this. Most but not all KME extracts are water extraction because many of the constituents are water soluble which is of course how we determine extraction process. By understanding the active chemical compounds solubility.
10:1 means your using 10kg to extract down to 1kg end material.
We use 100:1. Which means it takes 100kg to get 1kg.
Now while this doesnt mean its exactly10x stronger than 10:1 (as this varies a bit) it is at least (conservatively) 5-7+ times stronger with regards to the percentage of chemical constituents in a full spectrum extract. This is based not only off of extensive experience but extensive testing we ran on multiple KME extract strengths. It matters. IN fact we doubled the strength of our extract (not the dose but the strength) because there was such a vast difference. Initially we used 2g of a 50:1 and 12 caps per day. We ended up with 1g at 100:1 because it was vastly superior.
Ours is not standardized for Chlorogenic acid as is indicated in their post. So its also not really comparable as they are using a chlorogenic acid extract and we use full spectrum because while chlorogenic acid is all well and good I dont think chlorogenic acid is the primary constituent.
So 1000mg of 100:1 contains more of the active constituents than 2000mg 10:1.
Saying strength doesnt matter is just false information. For example if you made 2 pots of coffee (a water extraction).
If you used 1 scoop of coffee for pot 1 and 10 scoops for pot 2 which one do you think has more caffeine and other constituents in the water?
Obviously #2 with 10x the raw material.
Also keep in mind Vector isnt just KME and while Im a big fan of KME I think Eriobotrya is its superior in every way. This is also what 100% of testers thought who tested both extracts by themselves for comparison. AND rehmannaie is equal to KME at least.
Each of these extracts could have been a successful solo product without doubt but combined......nothing currently compares with regards to strength of effects.
Copying over what I wrote elsewhere:So how is K1ng's Slayer supposed to stack up to epilogue and massacre?