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stims doing nothing at all for me...

kstr0h

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i was never heavily into taking pre workout supplements mainly for that fact that stims do absolutely nothing for me. iv tried multiple different types. right now im in the middle of using hemo-rage black. The first time i took it, about a week ago, it SEEMED to do the job, i cant explain what i felt but the workout seemed to fly by, next thing i know iv been there for a hour. I cant really tell if it was a placebo effect or not though.

my question is, are pre workouts worth taking if it doesnt get your energy all crazy? does hemo-rage or any thing else similar have any other benefits besides energy?

also, what would you recommend that has no stim and isn't based around that concept?
 
I like that unlike most stim-tolerant users, you are seeking an alternative rather than simply looking to "up the dose."

Look into Ultima or Clout for progressive strength gains, and Hemavol or Pump-Bol for pumps and endurance. All are stim-free.
 
BodyForge has No stims and would be worth looking into. (Non-proprietary blend)

Has Creatine, Citrulline, Leucine, and we just added COP (Creatinol-O-Phosphate) plus antioxidants and electrolytes!

Great for strength, endurance, and recovery.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I like that unlike most stim-tolerant users, you are seeking an alternative rather than simply looking to "up the dose."

Look into Ultima or Clout for progressive strength gains, and Hemavol or Pump-Bol for pumps and endurance. All are stim-free.
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yea man, i Just dont really see a point of upping the dose if its just for the energy or focus. I already have plenty of both. Id rather spend the money else where, where it can really make a difference.


hmm, im looking for mainly strength gains since my endurance seems to be pretty good, il take a look at the ultima and clout.

thanks!
 
kstr0h said:
yea man, i Just dont really see a point of upping the dose if its just for the energy or focus. I already have plenty of both. Id rather spend the money else where, where it can really make a difference.


hmm, im looking for mainly strength gains since my endurance seems to be pretty good, il take a look at the ultima and clout.

thanks!
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I prefer Clout for strength and explosiveness. Adding bulk COP (SNS just came out with capsules) may be a great addition for performance as well.
 
OP, you may look into Revamp to reset your adrenal glands function. I used it when I stopped getting anything out of stims (being a heavy caffeine user) and it has done good job for me.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I prefer Clout for strength and explosiveness. Adding bulk COP (SNS just came out with capsules) may be a great addition for performance as well.
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il take a look at that too. Just to be sure that im looking at the right product, the clout is called MAN clout right?
 
UKNoko said:
OP, you may look into Revamp to reset your adrenal glands function. I used it when I stopped getting anything out of stims (being a heavy caffeine user) and it has done good job for me.
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thats an option too which i didnt know about, for now i might try and stay away from stims for a little cause my energy and all that is not a problem at all.
 
Well, that might be good. I got myself to a point of being half-dead without coffee ;-) Now, I usually stay away from stims pre-wo as when training in the evening they would keep me up for too long.
 
How much sleep are you averaging per night?

I agree with mike (criticalbench)...lots of signs here pointing to a nice long break from stims. If they arent doing anything for you anyways, might as well go stim free and see if you can revive yourself!
 
nattydisaster said:
How much sleep are you averaging per night?

I agree with mike (criticalbench)...lots of signs here pointing to a nice long break from stims. If they arent doing anything for you anyways, might as well go stim free and see if you can revive yourself!
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Bingo. Stay off them for good if you feel you don't need the. Why throw questionable 'science' down your throat and money down the toilet? Dump that $$ in your 401K :)
 
I found it best to keep 2-3 different preworkouts on hand at all times and alternate between them. Most are all proprietary with different formulas and amounts. Switching seems to keep my system tolerance off balance.
 
I mean if you nothing works then why waste money haha? Just get off them. Simple.
 
stay off stims for a month.. but during that time use 5-10gm per day of vitamin c.

vitramin c totally helps with adrenal fatigue.

and no 'i drink a glass of orange juice a day' isnt going to cut it.. you need to get some c powder.

for the last two years i run 25/mg day ephedrine + 1 5hr energy in the morning.. i also take in 10g per day of vitamin c..

adrenals are fine and i still get amped...
 
kstr0h said:
I might just stop taking them altogether
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Stims are not for everyone.... I seem to be in the same position you are: they just dont do anything for me. I can literally take a nap after taking 600mg of caffeine.

Like many have said above stim-free options is a great place to start. Hemavol + Ultima is my current favorite
 
Iam averaging around 6-8 hours of sleep a night. i know its a little low but im working on it haha.

As of right now they are 100% a waste of money for me. Thats why once the product i have is gone, im going to completely lay off the stims.

Dont get me wrong guys, im not complaining about this at all! I was just looking to see some peoples opinions on what other non stim products are out there and what is good.

however, would there be a purpose to re-amping my adrenals? besides so that i can use stims again.
 
GHO5T said:
Stims are not for everyone.... I seem to be in the same position you are: they just dont do anything for me. I can literally take a nap after taking 600mg of caffeine.

Like many have said above stim-free options is a great place to start. Hemavol + Ultima is my current favorite
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I know exactly how you feel with being able to take a nap. It doesn't matter what i take, if i lay down, il be sleeping within 10 minutes. Its not even that im tired all the time, its just that no matter the conditions, no matter where iam or what time it is, i can fall asleep. its kinda cool but kinda sucks are the same time.
 
I've been taking Driven Sports Craze and that stuff is the bomb! 3 scoops and your in heaven.

As far as adrenal glands, caffeine don't affect your adrenal glands. It actually affects your Adensoine Receptors. What caffeine does is it attaches itself to the adenosine receptors in place of actual adenosine (much like how anabolic steroids attach themselves to the androgen receptors) and as a result, drowsiness is warded off by depletion of adenosine in your system. As a response to this, your body freaks out and releases epinephrine (adrenaline) which is what gives you the energy rush. Tolerance to caffeine is developed as your body attempts to adjust to the reduction of interaction with adenosine by creating more adenosine receptors, which means more caffeine is needed in order to fill up the same percentage of adenosine receptors as last time. As soon as caffeine use is discontinued, if high tolerance has been developed, then your body will be in a state of increased interaction with adenosine which is what makes you feel drowsy and tired constantly.

Omega Ultima is good, RagNOrok is another good one and I-Force Hemavol is pretty good once you find your dosing protocol.
Do you consume energy drinks, coffee or soda/pop on a consistent basis? If so, that could be your culprit of stims not really affecting you. Not sure if you've tried something else like Yohimbine but it won't affect your off cycle of caffeine at all. Yohimbine affects the adrenal glands and would be an alternative to caffeine for energy while cycling off.
 
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