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Stanogen

Only asking because I bought a bottle of icon one plus 2 bottles of primagen. How could I dose both to get a hell of a run?
 
thebigt said:
don't forget armpits...years ago there was a pharmaceutical transdermal test product that was made to be applied to armpits-I think it was made by lily.
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do I need to worry about it causing sensitivity in some of those areas? Is it best to rotate where you apply it? Again, thanks to everyone for the great info...
 
Smont said:
Clomid definitely, synergen is a 19nor. It's going to need a real pct. And my nipples been a little sensitive on it so you might wanna get some caber on hand. I made the mistake of not thinking I'd need it. But I'm also on test and eq so I have some extra variables contributing. I'm sure the reps will have some input here
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if I don't go too crazy with it do I really need clomid? Can I get away with an OTC PTC?
 
clutch_72 said:
do I need to worry about it causing sensitivity in some of those areas? Is it best to rotate where you apply it? Again, thanks to everyone for the great info...
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I like neck and shoulders for anything td hormonal...if using multiple td's then you have multiple sites we have told you to apply to-I would suggest the strongest to be applied to neck and shoulders..
 
Using wrists, the first few weeks I applied Stanogen to quads and excess to back of knee. Later, moved to quads, delts. Still later, moved to delts/traps/excess on neck.
"Excess" refers to when I apply water to wrists after application to the main site, then do a first wipe off.
This was at 1mL/application. If doing more, I would start at shoulder area, move to quads, avoid abs.
 
bigdadybry said:
Using wrists, the first few weeks I applied Stanogen to quads and excess to back of knee. Later, moved to quads, delts. Still later, moved to delts/traps/excess on neck.
"Excess" refers to when I apply water to wrists after application to the main site, then do a first wipe off.
This was at 1mL/application. If doing more, I would start at shoulder area, move to quads, avoid abs.
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Why would you put water on the spots you applied the transdermal?
 
For transdermal application you ideally want a clean shaven area, dry skin, and apply with gloves on. Spread it around till it starts to dry and there almost or no residue left wet on the gloves. Then it's a good practice to wait about another 15 min before clothing that area.

If I have no gloves and have to spread it with my hands, then il put a couple drops of water in my hands and rub whatever extra I get on another bodypart, then wash my hands.
 
The part with the water is just to get it off my hands and not waste any. Even that step might be pointless
 
Smont said:
For transdermal application you ideally want a clean shaven area, dry skin, and apply with gloves on. Spread it around till it starts to dry and there almost or no residue left wet on the gloves. Then it's a good practice to wait about another 15 min before clothing that area.

If I have no gloves and have to spread it with my hands, then il put a couple drops of water in my hands and rub whatever extra I get on another bodypart, then wash my hands.
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sandwich baggies work well if no gloves, and they are very cheap...also in colder weather I will run a hair dryer across area, in summer I stand under ceiling fan.
 
Yes, misinterpreted. No worries. I could have been clearer.

Instead of "washing" my wrists, which is what I used to rub in the TD to the aforementioned application sites, I would rub my wrists against a different part of my body. Sometimes, these separate areas would still be a little wet from my shower, or I would add a few drops of water from the faucet.
I figured it was one last attempt to get any product off my "applicator" (my wrist) before using soap/water to wash the "applicator".

So the next question may be "why wash the wrists?" And my answer will be "because I have children I hug before going to work".
Smont said:
Or did I misinterpret
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this will not cause the irritation. so you will be able to apply to the area you desire with no problem. I would apply it.. let it soak in a min or two then rub the remainder into the skin. you will know its ready when the skin looks dry. albeit shiny and happily coated with the goods!~ now as to the primagen question, I am not familiar with icon one, so take this with a grain of salt. I recommend you run the icon one and see how you like it. then run the primagen either as a legthened cycle or you could do a separate cycle as well.

either way if you havnt ran them before test them out solo so you get the full appreciation to which items you like the best.
 
Smont said:
The part with the water is just to get it off my hands and not waste any. Even that step might be pointless
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Great minds...

First time applying I used my hands. Felt like I left product in-between my fingers and the light water rinse and application of this to a separate area resulted in more loss than using my wrists to apply. Used wrists exclusively after.
 
Apex: Time to introduce a roll-on applicator. :)

I figure your biggest hurdle to overcome, or any other TD supplier, would be standardizing dose/application if the roll-on is connected to the product a la deodorant. Additionally, wastage may not outweigh convenience.

Alternatively, I'll ask the wife if there are make-up applicators or semi-hard non-porous applicators that could be used in lieu of hands/wrists/gloves.
 
bigdadybry said:
Apex: Time to introduce a roll-on applicator. :)

I figure your biggest hurdle to overcome, or any other TD supplier, would be standardizing dose/application if the roll-on is connected to the product a la deodorant. Additionally, wastage may not outweigh convenience.

Alternatively, I'll ask the wife if there are make-up applicators or semi-hard non-porous applicators that could be used in lieu of hands/wrists/gloves.
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Does your wife hate the synergen smell lol. My girl can't stand it, I on the other hand kinda like it
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
I was going to recommend you do 2:1 as well and see how you like it. if you get two more. I would run 3:1.5 for 6 weeks. that would be 75mgs dien and 225 mgs epi respectively. I would even consider 4:3 scenario for 6 weeks at this price !
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thanks for the recommendations. If money wasn't a factor I'd go for the 4:3, but I have to worry about support while on and PCT. Thanks man...
 
Ptlhains said:
I find gloves a hassle - sandwhich bags were made for TD's lol.
And of course, I am lining my pockets with all the savings eh...
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You're also lining your pockets with those sandwich bags before you hit the buffet, aren't you?
 
Smont said:
Does your wife hate the synergen smell lol. My girl can't stand it, I on the other hand kinda like it
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Brother, we're too much alike!

Yes, and she's dramatic about it. Sometimes goes so far as to wave her hand across her nose, fakes a cough. Its noticeable for a short period of time. She acts like I fumigated the room. :)
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
this will not cause the irritation. so you will be able to apply to the area you desire with no problem. I would apply it.. let it soak in a min or two then rub the remainder into the skin. you will know its ready when the skin looks dry. albeit shiny and happily coated with the goods!~ now as to the primagen question, I am not familiar with icon one, so take this with a grain of salt. I recommend you run the icon one and see how you like it. then run the primagen either as a legthened cycle or you could do a separate cycle as well.

either way if you havnt ran them before test them out solo so you get the full appreciation to which items you like the best.
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If I ran the primagen how much should I dose each day?
 
bigdadybry said:
Brother, we're too much alike!

Yes, and she's dramatic about it. Sometimes goes so far as to wave her hand across her nose, fakes a cough. Its noticeable for a short period of time. She acts like I fumigated the room. :)
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She starts complaining before I even open the bttl
 
bigdadybry said:
Brother, we're too much alike!

Yes, and she's dramatic about it. Sometimes goes so far as to wave her hand across her nose, fakes a cough. Its noticeable for a short period of time. She acts like I fumigated the room. :)
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Some have said that women tend to do this as an unspoken way of encouraging (increasing the likelihood of) spontaneous (and vigorous) anal sex. Go ahead and play along with her, and then report back.
 
khall1974 said:
If I ran the primagen how much should I dose each day?
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I would start at 2 ml but if your not sure you could start at 1 ml. everyone is different and each of us has our own ideas as to what to expect. if your not seeing the results you seek add some moar !!
that said, don't go crazy. 1/2 ml increments would be smart.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
I would start at 2 ml but if your not sure you could start at 1 ml. everyone is different and each of us has our own ideas as to what to expect. if your not seeing the results you seek add some moar !!
that said, don't go crazy. 1/2 ml increments would be smart.
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Thanks for the reply. What is the absorption rate of transdermals usually?
 
khall1974 said:
Thanks for the reply. What is the absorption rate of transdermals usually?
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the number that gets thrown around is 40% but thats misleading at best. I think its more important that the user has a good idea on what the oral application is like to compare the two. the other thing to note.. orally a lot of andros have a very short half life. when using transdermals the andro releases into the system slowly and over a longer period of time. thus keeping blood levels higher and more stable.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
the number that gets thrown around is 40% but thats misleading at best. I think its more important that the user has a good idea on what the oral application is like to compare the two. the other thing to note.. orally a lot of andros have a very short half life. when using transdermals the andro releases into the system slowly and over a longer period of time. thus keeping blood levels higher and more stable.
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For me personally, I've noticed that oral, transdermal and injectable application for many things all treat me different. I know there should not be a huge difference in the effects provided but for me, if I switch from oral to td or td to inject, I treat it as a new compound because I really don't know what I'm going to get. Oral vs injectable lgd was 2 different animals, trestolone is completely different for all 3. Any1 notice this with epiandro? Mainly at higher doses. I'm interested to see what 300-500mg td epiandro would do
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
the number that gets thrown around is 40% but thats misleading at best. I think its more important that the user has a good idea on what the oral application is like to compare the two. the other thing to note.. orally a lot of andros have a very short half life. when using transdermals the andro releases into the system slowly and over a longer period of time. thus keeping blood levels higher and more stable.
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Thanks for the feedback. Hypothetical...if I shower and apply...how long would I have to wait until showering again or swimming based on absorption rate to max effect?
 
khall1974 said:
Thanks for the feedback. Hypothetical...if I shower and apply...how long would I have to wait until showering again or swimming based on absorption rate to max effect?
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Others may say otherwise, but I have been told the length should be at least 2 hours.
 
Beau said:
Some have said that women tend to do this as an unspoken way of encouraging (increasing the likelihood of) spontaneous (and vigorous) anal sex. Go ahead and play along with her, and then report back.
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Well, I tried your advice. I didn't like it too much. She was too rough.
 
bigdadybry said:
I'm such a cheap bastard, I'd be pissed if I dropped or spilled the 30mL bottle. A 100mL bottle? I'd be rolling on the floor to absorb it all. :)
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I think 3-4ml daily is nice at 2ml not feel much in some aspects but definitely an internal hell (hot) this i know epiandrosterone is working maybe will kick in few days more.
 
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