Spring recomp cycle (Msten, Sustanon, Anavar)

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Fuuukk.. i reallyyy want to do an Anavar only cycle at 50-100mg per day for a month or two. But I'm only 20 and I have great testosterone already. Will that f me over?

I would have to get bloodwork before and instantly after? And then some months from there? And have liver suport + a PCT? And estrogen control just in case right? That right there is already at like $1000 right? Is it worth it for me? I really don't want to surpress myself
As stated, more research is going to really benefit you. The fact you are considering a 50mg for a month only anavar cycle at 20 being worth cashing in your natty card is a tell-all. You need to consider this becomes a lifestyle that costs money and longterm health. You are going to have to stick a needle in your ass every week for the rest of your life when you eventually need TRT. Don’t rush that - if you can progress right now without drugs, take advantage of that. It will allow greater longevity and potential.

Keep learning, about different compounds, protocols, dieting, training methodologies. By the time you’re ready you will be 21.

For example, var is going to need zero liver support, and no AI (except perhaps during PCT). It is going to trash your lipids, and if it’s faked with Winstrol even more so. What supports would you use to try to mitigate that? Are you adding any fiber, citrus bergamot, flaxseed, extra fish oil? Are you trying to gain lean mass or cut? If bulk, any reason you shouldn’t just do cheaper LGD for 8 weeks? Are you ready to feel shutdown for that time period, and if not what else are you going to take to keep your dick working and not fall asleep at work? Just some considerations.
 
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Speaking of that - cardio will be a pain right now the longer you’re on tren, and obviously you don’t need it to stay lean, but try to get some daily walking in for your heart.

I was so winded so easily by the end of 8 weeks on trenavar. No cycle has ever done that to me like that.

I completely got the opposite. Tren although stacked made my stamina go up a lot. I wonder why so many get less stamina
 
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I completely got the opposite. Tren although stacked made my stamina go up a lot. I wonder why so many get less stamina
I did only use trenavar of course, but I know being winded on tren does indeed seem to be very common. Apparently Cardarine is the ticket for many to keep their wind up on tren if that becomes an issue.
 
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I completely got the opposite. Tren although stacked made my stamina go up a lot. I wonder why so many get less stamina
Supposedly it attaches to the heart very well and strongly, and in all the wrong ways, so to speak, so the heart will beat too hard at rest. Maybe you’re lucky and your heart just doesn’t get the effect.
 
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Tren and clen together at “professional” doses is supposed to be worse for your heart than doing a bunch of coke.
 
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Thats the one of reasons why I waited for my championship to be over if I wanted to add in tren. On Trenavar I didn't get much effect on cardio, but I did sweat a bit more. For now, I don't feel strain on my cardio, will do some HIIT after todays pull workout and see how it goes at this dose
 
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Thats the one of reasons why I waited for my championship to be over if I wanted to add in tren. On Trenavar I didn't get much effect on cardio, but I did sweat a bit more. For now, I don't feel strain on my cardio, will do some HIIT after todays pull workout and see how it goes at this dose
Solid reasoning all around.
 
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Well, I can say that Parabolan has kicked in with certainty. I mean, this **** is amazing... It destroys everything I've taken so far, at just this dosage. Sure, there is contribute of Msten (great drug also), but for now, Para is unbeatable. This stuff is so clean. Vascularity, strength, lean gains, drive and focus, aggreession, another level, yet, I feel realy good on it, and even my skin is nice and clean. But the look it gives you is something realy special. I'm not the one who will brag, but it gives you dry, lean, statuesque look to physique. Realy amazing.
 
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Supposedly it attaches to the heart very well and strongly, and in all the wrong ways, so to speak, so the heart will beat too hard at rest. Maybe you’re lucky and your heart just doesn’t get the effect.

I think the rbc went up and countered the lack of stamina, that's just my guess.
 
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I did only use trenavar of course, but I know being winded on tren does indeed seem to be very common. Apparently Cardarine is the ticket for many to keep their wind up on tren if that becomes an issue.

Yeah cardarine seems to work too, I've used that but even without cardarine I got more stamina and it could be some oral steroid that made rbc go up.
 
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Today leg day with a touch of shoulder went realy well, strength is still going up, and vascularity is insane. I just hope that this time, my legs won't keep me up at night like last time I worked them. I'm getting leaner, and leaner, while going sharper and bigger on the eye. You can se how freaky it gets on pics, those are mid day, no carbs yet, pump or anything, crazy.
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Goddam man
 
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I think the rbc went up and countered the lack of stamina, that's just my guess.
Usually guys say they need to take EQ with it to fix the stamina issues.
 
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I mean, I did get this low on bf% before, but not at this weight and this level
Damn, brother! Ab veins and everything... you look like a comic book superhero at this point.
 
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Usually guys say they need to take EQ with it to fix the stamina issues.
That sounds like asking for a stroke without dedicated phlebotomy & getting monthly bloods to keep close tabs, and longterm death to kidneys.
 
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Todays push day went better than I expected, it was one of the best sessions since the begining of this cycle. Strength is stupid, pump, muscle hardness, roundness and overall look is realy what got me in love with this stack. My pecs and triceps still twitches, 4 hours after workout. Vascularity is realy on another level and dry, flat, sharp look. Can't wait to start with Anavar.
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No kidding on the vascularity! Good lord
 
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That sounds like asking for a stroke without dedicated phlebotomy & getting monthly bloods to keep close tabs, and longterm death to kidneys.
Same guys are also giving blood every 8 weeks without fail.

Same guys are taking cardarine year round, same guys are using tadalafil as well for blood pressure.

Polypharmacy is almost a religion for some.

This is one specific group of amateur and Pro bbers I ran into who are this way.
 
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They’re also taking the glutathione and methyl b12 injections, taurine and arginine injections... something else too. There was something specifically for kidneys.
 
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Maybe not the best lighting here, but when it started poping on my traps, I was like fuuuack, this is awesome
You’ve got some wood grain on your shoulders there. What’s that? Oak?
 
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They’re also taking the glutathione and methyl b12 injections, taurine and arginine injections... something else too. There was something specifically for kidneys.
That’s all well and good - if you are going to put poison into your body you should do everything you can to offset it - but I still see longterm issues with that approach.

Matt Jansen I have heard loves to tren his clients to death - he has a very nice looking kidney product just released from his company Revive Supps. Astragalus, Pycnogenol, Grape Seed Extract, Beet Root powder. Definitely want those on board. Most people do.
 
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That’s all well and good - if you are going to put poison into your body you should do everything you can to offset it - but I still see longterm issues with that approach.

Matt Jansen I have heard loves to tren his clients to death - he has a very nice looking kidney product just released from his company Revive Supps. Astragalus, Pycnogenol, Grape Seed Extract, Beet Root powder. Definitely want those on board. Most people do.
There’s long term issues using tren in the first place.
 
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At this point, trening intensity is highest as its ever been since I started lifting. Today I took some pre workout with DMAA and damn, it hit me realy hard. All of that contributed to epic pull day where I broke several PRs
 
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At this point, trening intensity is highest as its ever been since I started lifting. Today I took some pre workout with DMAA and damn, it hit me realy hard. All of that contributed to epic pull day where I broke several PRs
Trenning intensity indeed! I bet the dmaa hit you hard because of that parabolan and MSten etc...
 
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Trenning intensity indeed! I bet the dmaa hit you hard because of that parabolan and MSten etc...
Love Dmaa. Got a source that has it so I may stock up but I gotta watch the Stims
 
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Legs are finaly at full recovery and full capacity. Don't even feel the difference between my left or right kne which is realy nice thing, finaly. I did increased volume for legs and today I'm planing to hit them realy hard. I have to say that my recovery was greatly enhanced and speed up bc of anabolics and peptides. They are finaly even again.
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So, at the end of my week 8 of this cycle, I'm currently at 188.5 lbs, weight went up, bf% is going down, and I think I'm managing to bring up lagging parts. I'm realy happy how is this cycle going. From tuesday, I'll start with 60 mgs of Anavar.
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So, at the end of my week 8 of this cycle, I'm currently at 188.5 lbs, weight went up, bf% is going down, and I think I'm managing to bring up lagging parts. I'm realy happy how is this cycle going. From tuesday, I'll start with 60 mgs of Anavar.
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You and your damn squared chest, looking all competition ready n ****.

Whatever dude.

 
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During this cycle, I noticed I put a bit of size on them titties to
Ya you can see it for sure.
Switching up my NPP and adding Msten today. Had a hell of a head/chest cold and lost 8 lbs last week so I’ve got work to do.
 
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Ya you can see it for sure.
Switching up my NPP and adding Msten today. Had a hell of a head/chest cold and lost 8 lbs last week so I’ve got work to do.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it brother. At what dosage would Msten be in your case?
 
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Looking better and better as things progress. Leaner and bigger. And getting the imbalances righted will be big to prevent reinjury!
 
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This is insane. Now I have a goal physique when I start my next recomp blast.
 
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Todays workout was realy high intensity, so hard, I sweated during my sets (and I sweat very little). Did upper chest and triceps. I'm realy happy all my bodyparts are progressing, but today, I noticed a bit more tickness in my chest, it realy makes difference in overall physique. Pump is insane, focus and strength are retarded... And vascularity is freaky, I even see veins od rear delts. And one more thing, many say that Tren realy works well in presence of some estrogen in body, in sinergy with compund that aromatises, and I think that realy is true from what I've seen in my experinece. And heres random backshot
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