SNAGged and TORN..No More! (The Saga Continues)
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snagency
Banned
yeah..Mac's my boy, but there's no doubt there was some benefit.
think about it - we do natty supps to get a boost, to be stronger, faster, to recover better.
multiply that effect on the juice.
even if all it did was help him get on the field, still - he wouldn't have been able to play some of that time had he not had that stuff going for him..who knows what he would have accomplished.
but, here's the thing: how do you quantify that? how do you even speculate? you can't. to do so is ludicrous.
and, if the playing field (other players) were complicit as well - as is beginning to unfold - and he still put up those #'s, better than anyone else, isn't he still a great player, one of the best power hitters of all time?
Sosa was close - but you think those 2 guys were the only one's juicing?
shoot, Juan Gonzalez had hella natural talent, then Canseco got ahold of him and got him juicing, but the dude never came close to McGwire's power.
I can repeat that statement about numerous players of that 'era'.
Carpee makes a good point: it doesn't help you hit a ball. you need natural talent for that. might hit it farther (add a couple hr's per yr), but ain't gonna help you putting a thin piece of round wood squarely on a little round ball coming at you from 60ft away at 90+ mph.
snagency
Banned
ohh..and don't get me started about the cheating that's occurred all thruout the history of the game.
the spitballs..the amphetamines..pitchers scuffing the ball..the emory board in Joe Niekro's pocket. gambling was huge back in the early part of the century, players made errors on purpose and threw ballgames..Ty Cobb sharpened his spikes lethally sharp and slid feet up into ppl, trying to take them out..and he's in the HOF.
how do you quantify that steroids are the downfall of the game? :think:
the spitballs..the amphetamines..pitchers scuffing the ball..the emory board in Joe Niekro's pocket. gambling was huge back in the early part of the century, players made errors on purpose and threw ballgames..Ty Cobb sharpened his spikes lethally sharp and slid feet up into ppl, trying to take them out..and he's in the HOF.
how do you quantify that steroids are the downfall of the game? :think:
carpee
Well-known member
its just the media man.
tearing apart mcgwire, tiger, etc.
they will jump all over anyone's mistakes big or little. but guess what media...its through mistakes that people learn. its human nature, why do we destroy these peoples reputations when at the same time we are the ones putting pressure on them to be the best at their sport?
People are so quick to judge, but so slow to have empathy for anyone. In Tiger's defense, not that I encourage infidelity...the man's worth over 1 billion dollars, and what 10-13 women stand up? The dudes probably said NO way more times then Yes.
What did you expect from a billionaire...that he will never fall into temptation? He's a golfer not a role model.
The medias destructiveness just makes me sick. These people are just that; PEOPLE, human!
McGwire was a class act on and off the field. And a great baseball player. Give credit where credit is due.
tearing apart mcgwire, tiger, etc.
they will jump all over anyone's mistakes big or little. but guess what media...its through mistakes that people learn. its human nature, why do we destroy these peoples reputations when at the same time we are the ones putting pressure on them to be the best at their sport?
People are so quick to judge, but so slow to have empathy for anyone. In Tiger's defense, not that I encourage infidelity...the man's worth over 1 billion dollars, and what 10-13 women stand up? The dudes probably said NO way more times then Yes.
What did you expect from a billionaire...that he will never fall into temptation? He's a golfer not a role model.
The medias destructiveness just makes me sick. These people are just that; PEOPLE, human!
McGwire was a class act on and off the field. And a great baseball player. Give credit where credit is due.
snagency
Banned
absolutely. not trying to state the obvious (but really, I wonder how obvious this is to a lot of ppl out there) -- but think about how the media shapes our consciousness and attitudes towards things..not only by the way and scope of what they write, but what they choose to write about and focus on..
it's no different than me airing my views here on AM; only, it's done on a national level, where everyone is watching. and in a large amount of the population, the news is it man. i.e. well, did you see Barbara Walters said such and such..and it's repeated and talked about because it's the 'news'. and eventually, more often than not, her views become your views. and your neighbors. and this grows into a national mentality.
because, when ppl hear something on the news, subconsciously they absorb that this is how we are supposed to think.
I dunno, maybe I'm rambling..you just hit on a point that's irritated me for some number of yrs now, my dislike for the media.
good to hear someone else shares my view here! :cheers:
(uh-oh..did I shape your consciousness with my words?
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X2..bazillion. :cheers:
carpee
Well-known member
I agree completely...from my own formed opinion haha.
Obviously famous people or political figures are going to have an impact on peoples views, but some things are borderline propaganda.
I know Fox advertises as Fair and Balanced news coverage, but in reality there is no fair and balanced news...it all has a bias one way or the other.
All in all, there needs to be less judgement and more empathy. How do we know the same guy or gal commenting on Tiger Woods mistakes is not currently doing the same thing, or the head of ESPN, or a producer from NBC...people in front of and behind the cameras are all human and probably are in the same situation as Tiger, and they will never be publicly scrutinized for it.
The man hits a little white ball into a little whole a long way away better than most others, and I'm going to watch. If he is puttin his other balls into different holes, I don't need to know or judge him for that.
Obviously famous people or political figures are going to have an impact on peoples views, but some things are borderline propaganda.
I know Fox advertises as Fair and Balanced news coverage, but in reality there is no fair and balanced news...it all has a bias one way or the other.
All in all, there needs to be less judgement and more empathy. How do we know the same guy or gal commenting on Tiger Woods mistakes is not currently doing the same thing, or the head of ESPN, or a producer from NBC...people in front of and behind the cameras are all human and probably are in the same situation as Tiger, and they will never be publicly scrutinized for it.
The man hits a little white ball into a little whole a long way away better than most others, and I'm going to watch. If he is puttin his other balls into different holes, I don't need to know or judge him for that.
snagency
Banned
snagency
Banned
^^^ nice! :approve:
speaking of food..
a lil pic of my daily breakfast layout on the new plan:
2 whole eggs+3 whites
3/4 cup oats
5oz lean beef (using 96/4)
decent-sized grapefruit
oh, just got my USPlabs shipment in yesterday, hadn't had a chance to put that away yet so I figured, what better background?
speaking of food..
a lil pic of my daily breakfast layout on the new plan:
2 whole eggs+3 whites
3/4 cup oats
5oz lean beef (using 96/4)
decent-sized grapefruit
oh, just got my USPlabs shipment in yesterday, hadn't had a chance to put that away yet so I figured, what better background?
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snagency
Banned
I saw this poem in an e-mail today, figured I'd post it for today's inspiration.
Don't Quit
Author unknown
When things go wrong, as they sometimes will,
When the road you're trudging seems all uphill,
When the funds are low and the debts are high,
And you want to smile, but you have to sigh,
When care is pressing you down a bit,
Rest, if you must, but don't you quit.
Life is strange with its twists and turns,
As every one of us sometimes learns,
And many a failure turns about,
When he might have won had he stuck it out;
Don't give up though the pace seems slow,
You may succeed with another blow.
Often the goal is nearer than,
It seems to a faint and faltering man,
Often the struggler has given up,
When he might have captured the victor's cup,
And he learned too late when the night slipped down,
How close he was to the golden crown.
Success is failure turned inside out,
The silver tint of the clouds of doubt,
And you never can tell how close you are,
It may be near when it seems so far,
So stick to the fight when you're hardest hit,
It's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
Don't Quit
Author unknown
When things go wrong, as they sometimes will,
When the road you're trudging seems all uphill,
When the funds are low and the debts are high,
And you want to smile, but you have to sigh,
When care is pressing you down a bit,
Rest, if you must, but don't you quit.
Life is strange with its twists and turns,
As every one of us sometimes learns,
And many a failure turns about,
When he might have won had he stuck it out;
Don't give up though the pace seems slow,
You may succeed with another blow.
Often the goal is nearer than,
It seems to a faint and faltering man,
Often the struggler has given up,
When he might have captured the victor's cup,
And he learned too late when the night slipped down,
How close he was to the golden crown.
Success is failure turned inside out,
The silver tint of the clouds of doubt,
And you never can tell how close you are,
It may be near when it seems so far,
So stick to the fight when you're hardest hit,
It's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
snagency
Banned
probably should've had a rest day today, as I am feeling pretty rough around the edges.. (DOMS from legs the other day were not quite nullified despite stretching and cardio) :eek5:
this is the 6th straight day I've weight-trained, and tho I have shorter durations & one bodypart/day schemes right now, the most I like to hit it is about 6-7 days consecutively. got a forced day off tomorrow, and one coming SUN, so I pushed myself this morning..
so, back day: focused on width, rep range 10-12 thruout.
wide-grip behind-neck pull-ups, 3 sets
shoulder-width chin-ups, 3 sets
1-arm DB rows, 4 sets
seated cable rows, 4 sets
and that was that. (phew).
lil pic following, not a good one but you get the general idea.
this is the 6th straight day I've weight-trained, and tho I have shorter durations & one bodypart/day schemes right now, the most I like to hit it is about 6-7 days consecutively. got a forced day off tomorrow, and one coming SUN, so I pushed myself this morning..
so, back day: focused on width, rep range 10-12 thruout.
wide-grip behind-neck pull-ups, 3 sets
shoulder-width chin-ups, 3 sets
1-arm DB rows, 4 sets
seated cable rows, 4 sets
and that was that. (phew).
lil pic following, not a good one but you get the general idea.
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DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah you look like you could hang glide.... :eek5:
snagency
Banned
thx fellas.
let's chow.. :food:
8oz chicken breast (4oz of it on Ezekiel toast w/ 2% pepperjack cheese sandwich)
1/2 cup black beans
2 cups broccoli
this meal (#4 daily out of 7) is now my last of day w/ complex carbs.
I can rotate carbs of my choosing (@50g worth) but the chicken/broccoli combo is static, as this meal is meant to be lower in fat (5g or less).
only 2 meals daily have little amounts of fat - postWO and this one.
let's chow.. :food:
8oz chicken breast (4oz of it on Ezekiel toast w/ 2% pepperjack cheese sandwich)
1/2 cup black beans
2 cups broccoli
this meal (#4 daily out of 7) is now my last of day w/ complex carbs.
I can rotate carbs of my choosing (@50g worth) but the chicken/broccoli combo is static, as this meal is meant to be lower in fat (5g or less).
only 2 meals daily have little amounts of fat - postWO and this one.
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snagency
Banned
pfffft..
actually, truth be told, I have scared a kid or two in my lifetime. :lol:
(aside from my own kids)
thx my friend. keep on doing what you're doing, it'll come. you got some good strength, all you need is the time to let the muscle develop.
snagency
Banned
blissful day of rest.. :cool2:
couple odds & ends: man, I am missing PowerFULL immensely. one of the biggest factors I enjoy w/ that is deeper, longer restful sleep. toward the end of last yr, I was actually getting 7 and sometimes 8hrs sleep each night. since I've cycled off, it's been a steady decline back to my 'normal' 6hrs or less. last night, went to bed at 1130, woke up this morning at 430. uggh. :rasp:
on another note - I feel the recovery w/ Prime and PowerFULL together is superior to Prime alone. I recover insanely well when I am stacking those two products. while Prime does help w/ recovery for me for sure, now that I'm running it by itself for awhile I can isolate that aspect a bit and tell a difference. in any event - I am sore this morning! :dead:
and on the food front - oooooo, check this out..
my diet right now currently calls for a hi-fat/hi-protein shake 3x daily (as I mentioned the other day), inc. for the last food intake of the day. the first 2 shakes, I add 4 TBS heavy whipping cream into 2 scoops protein (and it's delicious!), but I'm experimenting with that last shake to give the taste buds a lil different excitement - you know me, mad scientist and all. anyway, check this one out:
1 scoop Cake Batter Monster Milk
1 scoop vanilla Wheybolic Extreme 60
1 TBS PowerButter natty PB
1/2 TBS extra virgin coconut oil
3 TBS heavy whipping cream
18oz water
OMG is this simply Snagalicious! :yup:
couple odds & ends: man, I am missing PowerFULL immensely. one of the biggest factors I enjoy w/ that is deeper, longer restful sleep. toward the end of last yr, I was actually getting 7 and sometimes 8hrs sleep each night. since I've cycled off, it's been a steady decline back to my 'normal' 6hrs or less. last night, went to bed at 1130, woke up this morning at 430. uggh. :rasp:
on another note - I feel the recovery w/ Prime and PowerFULL together is superior to Prime alone. I recover insanely well when I am stacking those two products. while Prime does help w/ recovery for me for sure, now that I'm running it by itself for awhile I can isolate that aspect a bit and tell a difference. in any event - I am sore this morning! :dead:
and on the food front - oooooo, check this out..
my diet right now currently calls for a hi-fat/hi-protein shake 3x daily (as I mentioned the other day), inc. for the last food intake of the day. the first 2 shakes, I add 4 TBS heavy whipping cream into 2 scoops protein (and it's delicious!), but I'm experimenting with that last shake to give the taste buds a lil different excitement - you know me, mad scientist and all. anyway, check this one out:
1 scoop Cake Batter Monster Milk
1 scoop vanilla Wheybolic Extreme 60
1 TBS PowerButter natty PB
1/2 TBS extra virgin coconut oil
3 TBS heavy whipping cream
18oz water
OMG is this simply Snagalicious! :yup:
snagency
Banned
not bad..a little thick tasting when you use 2 scoops tho IMO.
I like a bit thinner taste. mixing a scoop of MM w/ a lighter consistency protein is the perfect mix to me. myofusion goes really well with it.
snagency
Banned
snagency
Banned
betchya could! :approve:
MrKleen73
Legend
Especially being a lower carb right now that looks like it will fit the bill pretty well. Thanks for the idea!
snagency
Banned
soooo..you might like this one too, Chris.
I just gotta experiment a lil more. on off days, meals drop down to 6 from 7 (no Mass Maker shake postWO), so thought I'd use one of my powder combos w/ a tad more carbs in it.
between me & the wife's stash, we have 23 jugs of protein laying around the house. (I just counted them!)
check it out..
1 scoop Cookies 'n Cream NitroCore24
1 scoop CnC Muscle Milk (this one's the wife's)
1/2 scoop vanilla Wheybolic (gets the protein to the 50g level)
4 TBS heavy whipping cream
like I said, a few more carbs this way (22g total) but negligible on the whole day.
mmmmmmmm. shake heaven.
I just gotta experiment a lil more. on off days, meals drop down to 6 from 7 (no Mass Maker shake postWO), so thought I'd use one of my powder combos w/ a tad more carbs in it.
between me & the wife's stash, we have 23 jugs of protein laying around the house. (I just counted them!)
check it out..
1 scoop Cookies 'n Cream NitroCore24
1 scoop CnC Muscle Milk (this one's the wife's)
1/2 scoop vanilla Wheybolic (gets the protein to the 50g level)
4 TBS heavy whipping cream
like I said, a few more carbs this way (22g total) but negligible on the whole day.
mmmmmmmm. shake heaven.
MrKleen73
Legend
soooo..you might like this one too, Chris.
I just gotta experiment a lil more. on off days, meals drop down to 6 from 7 (no Mass Maker shake postWO), so thought I'd use one of my powder combos w/ a tad more carbs in it.
between me & the wife's stash, we have 23 jugs of protein laying around the house. (I just counted them!)
check it out..
1 scoop Cookies 'n Cream NitroCore24
1 scoop CnC Muscle Milk (this one's the wife's)
1/2 scoop vanilla Wheybolic (gets the protein to the 50g level)
4 TBS heavy whipping cream
like I said, a few more carbs this way (22g total) but negligible on the whole day.
mmmmmmmm. shake heaven.
That is AWESOME 23 bottles. I was just thinking you had a lot of proteins. I just have chocolate and vanilla. However there are some great shakes to make out there with just those two. 22 grams is negligeable to me also. I keep carbs low for a reason but an addition 10-30 grams in a day isn't going to do anything to me as long as I keep the calories about the same for the day. I am all over this since I can't really use milk to get my shakes creamy.
MrKleen73
Legend
Mine isn't intolerance just not the carb source I want. I don't get to eat too many carbs so I have to be picky about the ones I do eat. I would rather have some oats or something to fill me up a bit.
orbitron3000
Active member
this thread is awesome! late, but i'm definitely in for the ride. really diggin the recipes here.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah I have 3 :eek5:
DreamWeaver
Legend
I stock up when I see the deals.
lotta good stuff was floating around end of yr/new year.
as a rule tho, I like to keep several on hand anyway, so the palate doesn't get bored. :yawn:
Yah I have a ways to go in that department, I am compulsive so tend to lack in the experimental department. I stick to what I know. I am working on that though.
snagency
Banned
good arm day this morning. was ridiculously pumped halfway thru the both tri's (worked first) and then bi's..wasn't even going to take a pic (tough to even grip the camera!) cuz with the pump, I look all blocky and undefined. thought it looked kinda cool tho. also, showing the 'weak side' (right) bicep..
order of things today:
close-grip bench, 4x10-15
V-bar tri cable pushdowns, 3x12-15
reverse-grip straight-bar tri pushdowns, 3x12
DB kickbacks, 2x12 (I do these both arms simultaneously, like I'm skiing)
EZ-bar curl, 4x10-12
DB preacher curl, 3x12
standing cable horizontal curl, 3x10
skipped abs today, as I'll do them tomorrow w/ chest.
lats are still a tad tender!
order of things today:
close-grip bench, 4x10-15
V-bar tri cable pushdowns, 3x12-15
reverse-grip straight-bar tri pushdowns, 3x12
DB kickbacks, 2x12 (I do these both arms simultaneously, like I'm skiing)
EZ-bar curl, 4x10-12
DB preacher curl, 3x12
standing cable horizontal curl, 3x10
skipped abs today, as I'll do them tomorrow w/ chest.
lats are still a tad tender!
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snagency
Banned
thx, but truthfully I'm not too excited at this point.
I feel good, and def putting some muscle back together again, but I post this more for a comparison for the end game!
getting ready to have my first cheat meal of the yr - me & the wife are taking my 'rents out to an upscale joint, place called the Blu Tomato..I won't be too bad, promise.
can't really cheat much on the particular diet I'm running, or it can really mess things up. I'll be sticking to hi-fat/hi-protein/low-carb meal for this reason - some butter-slathered shrimp or something. :food:
I feel good, and def putting some muscle back together again, but I post this more for a comparison for the end game!
getting ready to have my first cheat meal of the yr - me & the wife are taking my 'rents out to an upscale joint, place called the Blu Tomato..I won't be too bad, promise.
can't really cheat much on the particular diet I'm running, or it can really mess things up. I'll be sticking to hi-fat/hi-protein/low-carb meal for this reason - some butter-slathered shrimp or something. :food: