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Snag continues his off-season REDEFINing

Even my 5 days on and 2 off the G8. Still lets me sleep at night even when I don't take it. And I get the addition on the HGH. Snags how do you use yours and how much. I use half a scoop the night before a workout.
 
PREracing25 said:
Even my 5 days on and 2 off the G8. Still lets me sleep at night even when I don't take it. And I get the addition on the HGH. Snags how do you use yours and how much. I use half a scoop the night before a workout.
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yeah just completed 2 days off, last night was first day back on..the 2 days off were kinda ruff again, but remember i have natural sleep issues anyway, they just were seriously heightened over last month or so prior to G8 use.

been taking 1 full scoop ~15min before i would like to be sleeping. it hits pretty quick, and so far pretty consistently, but this is prolly the best solid sleep i've gotten to date from use, and most definitely the longest i been able to sleep -- in years. srs.
9hrs just don't happen for me..feeling incredible refreshed and rested this morning. :woohoo:

(oh the first day i got it, tried well before i would like to be sleeping, just to check it out..produced a nice calm, relaxed state for me w/o putting me to sleep, which was cool because i wasn't trying to sleep at that time, just wanted to feel the effects) :D
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
yeah just completed 2 days off, last night was first day back on..the 2 days off were kinda ruff again, but remember i have natural sleep issues anyway, they just were seriously heightened over last month or so prior to G8 use.

been taking 1 full scoop ~15min before i would like to be sleeping. it hits pretty quick, and so far pretty consistently, but this is prolly the best solid sleep i've gotten to date from use, and most definitely the longest i been able to sleep -- in years. srs.
9hrs just don't happen for me..feeling incredible refreshed and rested this morning. :woohoo:

(oh the first day i got it, tried well before i would like to be sleeping, just to check it out..produced a nice calm, relaxed state for me w/o putting me to sleep, which was cool because i wasn't trying to sleep at that time, just wanted to feel the effects) :D
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Funny when I take a half scoop it kinda of picks me up for 15 minutes but once I fall asleep I'm out. Wake up once after 5 hours to p!ss and then I'm out like a light for 2 hours. I only have myself on a 7 hour sleep schedule during the week. So between being 155 and only want to sleep 7 hours the half scoop works great.
 
PREracing25 said:
Funny when I take a half scoop it kinda of picks me up for 15 minutes but once I fall asleep I'm out. Wake up once after 5 hours to p!ss and then I'm out like a light for 2 hours. I only have myself on a 7 hour sleep schedule during the week. So between being 155 and only want to sleep 7 hours the half scoop works great.
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awesome you have found your niche!
and all things being equal, i would prolly recommend 1/2 scoop at first for anyone, regardless of bodyweight, just to assess
would be the prudent thing to do
very smart of you man, glad you are liking it!
 
My main thing is just making sure I get at least 5 hours of sleep. Always huge props to finaflex.
 
G8 is great, it is very hard for me to get up if I use more than 2/3 scoops. Of course I fall asleep about 10:00-10:30PM and the alarm goes off at 3:45AM so that is understandable. I typically only get 5-6 hours of sleep tops. If the alarm wasn't waking me up I am sure 8-9 would be easy with it.
 
MrKleen73 said:
G8 is great, it is very hard for me to get up if I use more than 2/3 scoops. Of course I fall asleep about 10:00-10:30PM and the alarm goes off at 3:45AM so that is understandable. I typically only get 5-6 hours of sleep tops. If the alarm wasn't waking me up I am sure 8-9 would be easy with it.
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absolutely man..truth be told, i would not want to sleep 8-9hrs nightly -- no time for that nonsense! :lol:
but my body obviously needed it last night, and was exquisitely timely and restorative, so .. :hammer:

in other news...
i'm trying to figure out what in hell this dude at the top of my AM screen is doing..
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:think:

sad thing is, how many of us have seen some **** like this in the gym..
wow
 
haven't pushed myself too much here in pct, but every once in awhile (1x weekly maybe during this time) i will test things out on a different bodypart to see where strength levels are at, even tho i have a general idea from feel anyway..

so last w/e it was da wheels. this w/e i picked shoulders.

standing BB behind-neck military, 5 sets range from 185x12 to last set 225x6, followed last set 20sec later with speed burnout set of 135x11 before i failed..this was the highlight of the day
strength levels are fine ;)

what a bee-U-tee-full day. :cool2:
 
MrKleen73 said:
G8 is great, it is very hard for me to get up if I use more than 2/3 scoops. Of course I fall asleep about 10:00-10:30PM and the alarm goes off at 3:45AM so that is understandable. I typically only get 5-6 hours of sleep tops. If the alarm wasn't waking me up I am sure 8-9 would be easy with it.
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Yah that's about my dosing, fuggin stuff is strong, I have slept 8 straight hours on it ...
 
Sorry Im late
 
Great work on shoulders. I think my best ever was 225x3 that is where those beastly triceps of yours come into play...
 
calebsmitty said:
That's bull****. Wow those are impressive presses. I thought I was doing good with 185x4.
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my natural strong point, upper body
shoulder presses..bench presses..fairly decent
squat and dead #s not exactly small, but comaparatively not as impressive lol
my legs just happen to look good :D

thanks for the comment - 185x4 standing presses nothing to sneeze at anyway brogan, feel good about that!
 
I do. But not as good as I did before I saw your numbers. My goal is 225. Not sure what the strength diff is between behind the neck and front. I always do front presses.
 
I can feel the strngth in here
 
You need to have some very healthy shoulders to press that kind of weight behind the neck. Crazy stuff Snag!
 
thanks fellaz :)

@calebsmitty - i am not as strong on front standing presses as behind-neck, just how it is :shrug:
throws my balance/core stabilization off
 
Out of curiousity how low do you take the bar behind the head do you shorten it bit to keep from having impingement?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Out of curiousity how low do you take the bar behind the head do you shorten it bit to keep from having impingement?
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i cannot teach the way i do it, would be a training textbooks nightmare
i have several variations, depending on what part in the movement i am trying to focus on..
but for all intents and purposes, i bring down to the back of my neck, is touching the base, before i explode up to lockout or near lockout position
(every set yesterday for example was done in this fashion)
i guess it's just the way i am built, that allows me such ROM
i never have shoulder issues form these, ever
the shoulder issues i have had, actually come from tennis and the serve (so L shoulder), kick-serve especially, is just hard on me for some reason
 
Mine get a little impingement with the behind the head press so I stop at the top of my neck / bottom of skull. Most of the time I limit my weight on these either using them during my drop sets or with higher rep training.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Mine get a little impingement with the behind the head press so I stop at the top of my neck / bottom of skull. Most of the time I limit my weight on these either using them during my drop sets or with higher rep training.
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yes very common in other ppl, from what i have seen
i do not teach my trainees to do this, and would never advise it..if someone sees me do it and they try it, i caution them on the weight they should use
kind of like a "do not try this at home" type thing, but it has always worked for me
just how i learned to do it back as a teenager
 
Just goes to show what small differences in joint and bone structure to to the way a body is meant to move. Everyone is individual.
 
my postWO meal today..
so basically when i carb-up for preWO and then consume dextrose intra, if i also have simple carbs in my postWO shake, then 30-45min later or so i will switch gears and have higher fat intake and reduced carbs for the postWO meal..
such was the case today

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5oz canned chunk tuna w/ couple TBS salsa
1 packet sweet & spicy Tuna Creations
veggie medley
2 TBS natty PB (one pictured, but 2 were consumed)
roughly ~400cals
 
Nice and no need to carb after if you carb intra good thinking!
 
Do you do carbs intra starting about 30 minutes after you start lifting so you still get the GH secretion from the lift?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice and no need to carb after if you carb intra good thinking!
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exactly

MrKleen73 said:
Do you do carbs intra starting about 30 minutes after you start lifting so you still get the GH secretion from the lift?
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off the top let me say - i do not necessarily espouse the practice of intraWO carbs at all
in fact, is not a regular practice of mine - but rather something i utilize at strategic timeframes
but to answer your question, yes 20-30min into the workout, and the other component of this is when i am working out for a longer time period than usual
if doing my (more usual) shorter, 30-40min w/o, then i will have no intraWO shake..
i may follow this with carb-laden postWO shake..or, i may follow with EAA mixture for postWO shake (or BCAA+SAA currently), then wait 15-30min and follow with carb-laden postWO meal

again - lots of different things i may do, depending on various factors
 
I don't to intra carbs but currently doing post work out cell shock+slinshot it's a great combo.
 
beast of a meal for dinner tonight..mmmmmmmm

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5oz 93% lean ground turkey
9oz chicken breast
salad w/ fixins
1/2 serving rice cakes (love this flav)
~625 cals

was off day from training, carbs lowered to ~150g, total cals will be ~3k this day
 
Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
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Carbs are easy to leave out.

Meat, veggies and some olive oil...easy peasy

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MrKleen73 said:
Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
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oats okay..bagels bro, no no

runner_79 said:
Carbs are easy to leave out.

Meat, veggies and some olive oil...easy peasy
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absolutely
i could go down to <50g carbs on an off day if i wanted (and do), if it was ALL about shedding some bf
alas, i have other intentions in mind, lean is but a component! :)
 
Yah I need to add some carbs on my workout days .. flavoured rice cakes sound good. I thnk maybe for treats on refeeds as well.
 
Haven't tried those rice cakes yet...seen them before but may have to pick them up.
 
My wife eats rice cakes and I have tried them but I feel like I'm eating styrofoam. Yuck If I'm eating carbs it's going to be tasty. Lol
 
bolt10 said:
Haven't tried those rice cakes yet...seen them before but may have to pick them up.
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they're the same thing as the old Quakes, quaker just streamlined the product line and call them all "popped" now..
tasty lil devils




on the food front - another off day today, cals will be bumped to 3250, carbs to ~225..static moderate fats and hi-protein round it out..quinoa on tap today for 2 meals..
i don't need to push energy since i'll be in front of my computer all day, not leaving the house

DreamWeaver blowing that stupid arctic crap my way, chilling me out :rant:
my garage is a lil cold this morning, -20 at 7am here
could still work out if i wanted, but don't feel like battling the elements or jacking up the heat out there

i'm a sissy this day :p
 
So you are anti whole grain bagel (50 grams carbs 8 grams fiber) as a post workout carb source? I can see why not for any other time of day but figured that would not be a bad time to add that in. Wait aren't your McSnag breakfast things on a bagel? I know you are much leaner than me and can get away with those things.
 
MrKleen73 said:
So you are anti whole grain bagel (50 grams carbs 8 grams fiber) as a post workout carb source? I can see why not for any other time of day but figured that would not be a bad time to add that in. Wait aren't your McSnag breakfast things on a bagel? I know you are much leaner than me and can get away with those things.
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again, lotta qualifiers here bro :)
anti-whole grain? mmm i'm definitely not pro-whole whole grain, and only during postWO usually, and of course breakfast..

i really have no absolute use for whole grains ..you want to use them postWO, sure go ahead, use regular bagels for that matter, doesn't matter, all in perspective
i pick my spots to eat grains, most generally
bagel for Egg McSnag, maybe once bro in the last couple months..not something i do often at all, usually it's Ezekiel or 15-grain, lately actually has been a nice sourdough, top-notch
(bagel does tastes pretty damn good when used tho haha)

for you & your current goals, eh..you have to make that call man
me personally, if i was focusing on just fat-loss, then i would eliminate postWO shake and all carbs, and run a low-carb / every 3rd day hi-carb last meal rotation

eishh..maybe i am confusing you! :o
srs i have so many variables i can pull out for myself right now, makes it hard to translate to you and stay in the same context as what you are trying to do..my days of just advising a pre-set "plan x" or whatever are basically done

i understand, you are focusing on some muscle-building too..best i can say, utilize beverly principles like we both used to in the old days, and you know you can't go wrong
that stuff is fool-proof brother..
go with what you know works for you
 
For grains I am liking the mult-grains the heavier the better, I like me some bread with some weight.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
again, lotta qualifiers here bro :)
anti-whole grain? mmm i'm definitely not pro-whole whole grain, and only during postWO usually, and of course breakfast..

i really have no absolute use for whole grains ..you want to use them postWO, sure go ahead, use regular bagels for that matter, doesn't matter, all in perspective
i pick my spots to eat grains, most generally
bagel for Egg McSnag, maybe once bro in the last couple months..not something i do often at all, usually it's Ezekiel or 15-grain, lately actually has been a nice sourdough, top-notch
(bagel does tastes pretty damn good when used tho haha)

for you & your current goals, eh..you have to make that call man
me personally, if i was focusing on just fat-loss, then i would eliminate postWO shake and all carbs, and run a low-carb / every 3rd day hi-carb last meal rotation

eishh..maybe i am confusing you! :o
srs i have so many variables i can pull out for myself right now, makes it hard to translate to you and stay in the same context as what you are trying to do..my days of just advising a pre-set "plan x" or whatever are basically done

i understand, you are focusing on some muscle-building too..best i can say, utilize beverly principles like we both used to in the old days, and you know you can't go wrong
that stuff is fool-proof brother..
go with what you know works for you
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Okay yeah I was a little surprised when we were chatting the other day and you recommended 2 30-40 gram carb meals after the recovery shake. I have done very well with the diet you mentioned plus a shake or oats following the workouts. As you mentioned I should go back to what I know works for me in my current goals. I can play with adding a few smaller carb meals in after I drop the weight I want. As for now I am going back to low carb other than some blueberries and grapefruit, and of course whatever tags along with almonds and green veggies. Will do a carb up on Wednesday and Saturday nights.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Okay yeah I was a little surprised when we were chatting the other day and you recommended 2 30-40 gram carb meals after the recovery shake.
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no no bro - 2 of those meals yes, but not after recovery shake
see it's all in the application (and of course yes, timing)
and also, depends on when in the day you work out
ie if you train following first or second meal of the day, have one of those carb meals for breakfast
then, if training after breakfast, you'll have that shake, then no/low carb postWO meal, then place second carb meal wherever (typically i would place this following postWO meal), then you're done w/ carbs (except for trace) for the day
you could also wait and have those carbs with dinner later in day..your choice
if traininig after second meal, same basic set-up, second meal needs no carbs
you see?
and again - really, postWO shake w/ carbs can be totally eliminated if you choose, and you just take your (complex) carbs and place them wherever in the day you see fit (like breakfast/midday/supper), no carbs anywhere else..
I have done very well with the diet you mentioned plus a shake or oats following.
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in the grand scheme of things, you WILL do well on that basic guideline, irregardless of where you place carb meals..there is still value to overall consumption for the day, but i feel there is even greater value/multiplied result in strategic placement
As you mentioned I should go back to what I know works for me in my current goals. I can play with adding a few smaller carb meals in after I drop the weight I want. As for now I am going back to low carb other than some blueberries and grapefruit, and of course whatever tags along with almonds and green veggies. Will do a carb up on Wednesday and Saturday nights.
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nice
that will quite obviously work as well, as you have been there, done that already
sorry man, don't mean to confuse! :p
my thought process is into my own individual variances right now..shuffling as many factors as i am currently, i cannot duplicate this for someone else -- unless you are in my mind with me! :lol:

you will be fine bro, you have a good plan and a great understanding of what you need to do
now go get it!
 
I think you have a perfect layout there for some clean recomp. I did well before when I added 2 1/2 cup servings of oats to that mix with no post workout shake just the protein and 1/2 cup oats. For now I want to induce a tiny bit of ketosis, get the body burning fat preferentially for energy then slowly add carbs back in.

By the way I workout out first thing in the morning with no food on my stomach, I take about 15 grams of aminos and 7 grams L-Glutamine pre workout to give my body something to work with during the lift. With the new layout it will be a couple scoops of isolate and a half grapefruit post workout. That will supply a mild insulin response and take advantage of the glut -4 translocation caused by the resistance exercise. Second meal on will be Protein and fats. I wil have one more serving of either 1/2 grapefruit or 3/4 cup blueberries during the day. So carbs will be low but they will not be nonexistent. Should pull this fat off post haste. Once the abs are showing again I will begin bringing some carbs back in.
 
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