Yea... At least 10Had you done previous cycles? And I guess we will see shortly. I'm thinking its real just based on the fact the their other **** is legit
Yea... At least 10Had you done previous cycles? And I guess we will see shortly. I'm thinking its real just based on the fact the their other **** is legit
For 7 years almost straight.Had you done previous cycles? And I guess we will see shortly. I'm thinking its real just based on the fact the their other **** is legit
Got me even more pumped up for this now hahaFor 7 years almost straight.
Good idea! I'm lean currently...Are you gonna log this cycle? Im interested in seeing how it goes for you
I am lean man!Bintherduntht
Do you want to gain weight or just size?
From my way of thinking with this cycle you could start dry loosing a little fat having enough blood supply to ramp up mid-cycle gains or start wet to add weight for the whole cycle to grow new blood vessels etc to hold a heavier weight after your finished.
Love my some AdrolAdrol added a ton of size to me
Nice, hold water weight for 3-4 months and your body should get used to it.I am lean man!
Nope you dont. I dont ever hide mine neither, and I probably got reason too.I forgot to cover my face! Lmao.
Oh well, ain't got shoot to hide
I WANT to pack on size, but in reality a lean bulk would be much easier on the body.Bintherduntht
Do you want to gain weight or just size?
From my way of thinking with this cycle you could start dry loosing a little fat having enough blood supply to ramp up mid-cycle gains or start wet to add weight for the whole cycle to grow new blood vessels etc to hold a heavier weight after your finished.
BraveNope you dont. I dont ever hide mine neither, and I probably got reason too.
Mainly cause I'm an Ugly MF, and I got a bunch of ex-wives. LolBrave
Bro I don't want to get all mushy, but you know, F it.Mainly cause I'm an Ugly MF, and I got a bunch of ex-wives. Lol
You know how it goes too. 3 deployments 3 wives, 2 ex wives. You might not have been through it. But, you know guys that have beenBro I don't want to get all mushy, but you know, F it.
We are only as "attractive" as our tudes man.
The man on the inside.
Right? What matters more, how attractive your battle buddy is? Or how skill full/tactile/ good etcYou know how it goes too. 3 deployments 3 wives, 2 ex wives. You might not have been through it. But, you know guys that have been
Real quick....Right but nolva won't be an option since a nandrolone will be in the mix. Wonder if there is anything else for preventative measures against gyno?
^^ THIS^^Yeah, the thinking is that Nolva can make Prolactin sides more likely, and worse with Nandrolone
Make it worse because it dose nothing for prolactin?so prolactin gets worse?^^ THIS^^
I have never heard this about Nandro do you have a link to post? or tell me where to find info^^ THIS^^
First I've heard tooI have never heard this about Nandro do you have a link to post? or tell me where to find info
YupThis was a commonly quoted "fact" in the bodybuilding community for years. But, apparently (thanks guys....I just researched a few more spots)..... it was a "fact" based upon a study of women with cancer, whose Progestin receptrors were indeed upregulated with the use of Nolva. It now APPEARS that this is because the human body can act very differently when cancer is present. There are some very interesting reads out there on all of this. I would recommend doing some reading before starting a cycle of Nandrolone. (I know I will read more).
Yeah, it was widespread. But it should've been. It was based on an actual study where Progestin receptrors were upregulated by the use of Nolva. I feel a little better now. (I hate having my options cut down).Yup
I thought it was fishy.
I know I grab the Nolva from time to time.
I never ran it as a regiment.
But I know I've used with tren and deca.
Most stuff I find is old.
Back when GW gave you cancer and osatrine put on 20 lbs and no pct needed andnolva gave you prolactin gyno hahaha
I'm just BSing guys.. but legit that was the first I had heard of no nolva and deca.
But the study was done with chicks?Yeah, it was widespread. But it should've been. It was based on an actual study where Progestin receptrors were upregulated by the use of Nolva. I feel a little better now. (I hate having my options cut down).
Yep. To the best of my (current) knowledge, that had nothing to do with the outcome. ....but apparently...and hopefully, the cancer did.But the study was done with chicks?
Deca converts to estrogen.I've run deca and Tren a couple times... Never needed caborgoline which I have.
I thought 19nors only affect prolactin, not estro
I just need the Caber for sex drive on high DecaI've run deca and Tren a couple times... Never needed caborgoline which I have.
I thought 19nors only affect prolactin, not estro
Oh yea. Plus deca puts me in a sort od depressed mood. Caber counteracts thatI just need the Caber for sex drive on high Deca
Theoretically, you're not "supposed" to take caber until you get b tits from deca or other sides.Yep, always heard not to take nolva while on a nandrolone because it can worsen prolactin sides. I wonder if it would be detrimental alongside caber so that way your prolactin is down??
That's interesting. What is the reason behind waiting until your lactating before using it. Makes more sense to just use it with an ai from the beginning to me anywaysTheoretically, you're not "supposed" to take caber until you get b tits from deca or other sides.
Well I run a low dose because it really depresses my mood/clouds my brain.
Caber straightens that out.
It's not so much lethargic as it is just "feeling of"
I second that ^^^I don't.
I take prami or Caber as soon as my boner gets weak
I'm about to start my cycle next week. You don't think I should just start caber from the beginning?I don't.
I take prami or Caber as soon as my boner gets weak
no it takes about 2 weeks for prolactin to get high and caber knocks it out quick.I'm about to start my cycle next week. You don't think I should just start caber from the beginning?
Good to know. Think I need to do a little more research before I start. When I do start I'm gonna start at .25 Monday and Thursday and hopefully that'll be enough to keep it in a good spotno it takes about 2 weeks for prolactin to get high and caber knocks it out quick.
you don't want to crash your prolactin it can make you feel crappy
Long ester 2 weeks before you experience any sides really. So anything like caber or ai you can start at two weeks approximately, I'm willing to say 3 weeks.Good to know. Think I need to do a little more research before I start. When I do start I'm gonna start at .25 Monday and Thursday and hopefully that'll be enough to keep it in a good spot
That's what I was thinking but as soon as you put an exogenous hormone into your body it immediately starts raising those hormone levels. It takes longer to feel the effects of a long ester of course, but why would it take longer to get sides for someone that is sensitive to estrogen? Not saying you're wrong, more or less just trying to understand myselfLong ester 2 weeks before you experience any sides really. So anything like caber or ai you can start at two weeks approximately, I'm willing to say 3 weeks.
No I am wrong in the sense that I don't know you personally. You might need to use it faster but the levels will not rise as drastically as with a short ester. The sides you get can kinda be a measurement with the gains you make. You normally start gaining at week 4 with a long ester that's why we go 12 weeks on E an maybe 8 on a fast ester. The sides should not come first two weeks on test e, is It possible? Maybe.That's what I was thinking but as soon as you put an exogenous hormone into your body it immediately starts raising those hormone levels. It takes longer to feel the effects of a long ester of course, but why would it take longer to get sides for someone that is sensitive to estrogen? Not saying you're wrong, more or less just trying to understand myself
I agree, I don't think you'll get gyno in the first couple weeks or bad sides from a long ester. However on my previous cycle I used asin from the beginning and didn't crash my estro. To be fair the asin could've been under dosed or bunk because when I did get high estro sides I took a pretty big dose and didn't notice a whole lot from itNo I am wrong in the sense that I don't know you personally. You might need to use it faster but the levels will not rise as drastically as with a short ester. The sides you get can kinda be a measurement with the gains you make. You normally start gaining at week 4 with a long ester that's why we go 12 weeks on E an maybe 8 on a fast ester. The sides should not come first two weeks on test e, is It possible? Maybe.
But theres also a catch using an ai to prevent this. If you start the ai with a long ester instantly, even if you're overly sensitive I would almost bet my house youd crash your estrogen and that is horrible trust me. You're not gonna get bitchtits by not using an ai first two weeks, I've never heard that happen and it would be quite odd to say the least.
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