Segansational's Motivation Log

[Segansational]

Ok, woke up this AM and while middle of the night wake up my balance was a little off, this AM didn't seem to have any trouble although I am being more careful about speed of sitting up fast. Through most of the WO no issues, but towards the end with incline flys I felt the vertigo sensation again.

I have a theory. I started up topical minoxidil a week ago, twice daily. Apparently it's a super rare side effect, but dizziness is possible due to vasodilation effects for the small amount that goes systemic. Skipped my evening application and will be off today totally until the dizziness goes away. Have a doc appt next week, so will ask about it. Things like finasteride apparently have lower risk due to different MOA.

M2, Wk4, D5

Working sets,
DB upright rows, 3 sets
Chin ups, 3 sets
BB flexion rows, 2 sets
Machine Chest Press, 3 sets
DB incline flys, 3 sets

1 hr 9 mins, 198 cals.

Pre: 1 scoop FocusXT, 1 pump Napalm Xtreme, 1g ALCAR
Intra: Same as usual.

Notes
Body felt that craving for salt and fat, so had an avocado bacon smash burger for dinner. It was glorious! Won't do much for my weight loss, but man was it good for removing that craving.

Hosting a superbowl gathering this evening - rooting for the Seahawks - so will be doing the normal wings and things. Making a killer buffalo chicken dip as my contribution! So expect my weight to be back up tomorrow, but will try to dial in during the week to compensate.

 

[gphagan1]

Man hope you figure out the dizziness that you’ve been getting in the mornings. Hopefully you’re right and it’s just a side effect of Minoxidil.

 

[Hyde]

I can’t remember if you said you have crud going on around your house, but if you have drainage that can absolutely be the source of the vertigo. If not, your logic seems sound to remove the new variable to test.

Enjoy the Super Bowl!

 

[Segansational]

Man hope you figure out the dizziness that you’ve been getting in the mornings. Hopefully you’re right and it’s just a side effect of Minoxidil.

I can’t remember if you said you have crud going on around your house, but if you have drainage that can absolutely be the source of the vertigo. If not, your logic seems sound to remove the new variable to test.

Enjoy the Super Bowl!

Thanks gents, also a potential mild side effect of ALCAR on an empty stomach? May drop this out for now too.

Superbowl was surprisingly a lot more fun than I was expecting. Didn't really have a horse in the race, but was rooting for the Seahawks to take it and they put on quite a defensive performance.

Stuffed myself way too much, but we had just about every appetizer under the sun! Here's my buffalo chicken dip I made. Nothing healthy about it, although it did have just about a whole rotisserie chicken in it.

M2, W4, D1

Working sets,
Neutral Grip Pull Ups, 2 sets
Incline BP, 2 sets
Flat DB Press, 2 sets
Upright Rows, 4 sets

Pre: 1 scoop R1 Burn, 1g ALCAR, 3 caps VasoforceXT.
Intra: 1 scoop R1 EAA9, 1 scoop Choline Citrate, 2 scoops Creatine HCl, 1 packet Ryse Hydration, 1/2 scoop Glycofuse.

Notes
Definitely didn't have as much drive today with Burn pre-WO, but I suppose to be expected even though it does have 200mg of caffeine.

 

[Dustin07]

Things like finasteride apparently have lower risk due to different MOA

My understanding is that finasteride is more likely linked with ed, so I personally tend to keep minox on hand cause I'd rather be bald than have a limp noodle, especially when running epiandro or something like that which I know seems to cause shedding on me. My wife gets vertigo bad when she is fully back into her lifting routines and it seems as though we can tie hers into muscle stiffiness, I can find a knot between her shoulder blades that I can move around but can't necessarily get rid of. we have a friend who is a massage therapist, I have used her for my feet and when my wifes vertifo is bad she will fix that knot in her back and it seems to do the trick. I have had number of cases in the last year (6 maybe? not like daily or anything) and I feel like mine, while possibly sympathy vertigo (LOL) seems similar to my wife's and hits when I have a knot somewhere in the back/shoulder blades. FWIW just our experience.

 

[Dustin07]

maybe we give this a go

 

[Hyde]

Good workout. Especially if you are lacking gusto from what you are taking, I’d move your choline into the preWO to get it in sooner. It will pay the neurological recovery toll regardless of timing, but taken pre is ideal for best functional support.

 

[Segansational]

My understanding is that finasteride is more likely linked with ed, so I personally tend to keep minox on hand cause I'd rather be bald than have a limp noodle, especially when running epiandro or something like that which I know seems to cause shedding on me. My wife gets vertigo bad when she is fully back into her lifting routines and it seems as though we can tie hers into muscle stiffiness, I can find a knot between her shoulder blades that I can move around but can't necessarily get rid of. we have a friend who is a massage therapist, I have used her for my feet and when my wifes vertifo is bad she will fix that knot in her back and it seems to do the trick. I have had number of cases in the last year (6 maybe? not like daily or anything) and I feel like mine, while possibly sympathy vertigo (LOL) seems similar to my wife's and hits when I have a knot somewhere in the back/shoulder blades. FWIW just our experience.

Actually the question I have with finasteride is whether the DHT blocking component would counteract any test effects if I were to start up TRT.

maybe we give this a go


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Hey, I love the smell of coffee!

Good workout. Especially if you are lacking gusto from what you are taking, I’d move your choline into the preWO to get it in sooner. It will pay the neurological recovery toll regardless of timing, but taken pre is ideal for best functional support.

Sounds good, will start doing it pre-WO.

Thanks Hyde. Yesterday I was really struggling both physically and mentally. Work and family life are taking a toll. Haven't felt so mentally off in a long time.

This week is a real drag, but I'm thankful that it's a short week for me and a long weekend coming up. We're taking the family to TX for a short vacation to see family & friends. Honestly couldn't come at a better time!

 

[Segansational]

M2, Wk4, D3

Working sets:
BB Rows, 2 sets
BB Good Mornings, 3 sets
Lying DB Curls, 4 sets
EZ bar Skull crushers, 2 sets

Wanted to do one more upper body exercise, but ran out of time given I was just moving slow today.

1 hr 8 mins, 185 cals.

Pre: 1 scoop Burn, 1g choline Citrate
Intra: Same as prior, minus the choline since taken pre.

Notes
Barely convinced myself to get out of bed this AM. Just felt really tired today. Ran my at home sleep study last night, so interested to see how those results come back. But overall had a really good night for me, very uninterrupted and deep + REM sleep.

 

[Hyde]

Actually the question I have with finasteride is whether the DHT blocking component would counteract any test effects if I were to start up TRT.Hey, I love the smell of coffee! Sounds good, will start doing it pre-WO.

Thanks Hyde. Yesterday I was really struggling both physically and mentally. Work and family life are taking a toll. Haven't felt so mentally off in a long time.

This week is a real drag, but I'm thankful that it's a short week for me and a long weekend coming up. We're taking the family to TX for a short vacation to see family & friends. Honestly couldn't come at a better time!

That SNS bulk Choline Citrate is dirt cheap, so don’t be afraid to take a second scoop later in the day if you’re dragging mentally. Can help focus and mood a little - just don’t do it too close to bed. Right after work would be latest I’d consider it.

Yes Finasteride would block the 5alpha reduction of your testosterone to DHT, which otherwise normally happens at a rate of around 5% I believe. DHT is the primary androgen - this is what gives you enhanced libido & sexual performance, the increase in neurology that turns up mental processes, mood, & strength, and what causes the bodyhair growth & hairloss on the scalp as genetically prone.

The reason so many powerlifters and bodybuilders are bald is because they use large doses of testosterone without a 5AR inhibitor. But if you do use one, you don’t get as much strength and certainly don’t get the libido or even gyno antagonism (protection) benefits of DHT. So then it’s just a garden variety anabolic that’s easier on lipids than primo or mast, but can now be easier to get gyno and doesn’t help gym performance as much. Or for the 10% of men that get PFS, you lose sexual pleasure/function to a random degree basically forever. Which can happen from the first use of it even.

I do not want to be bald or hairier, but if it was between that or having gyno and a soft noodle there’s not even a question. I wouldn’t touch an oral 5AR inhibitor with a 10ft pole. Alex Kikel makes a TON of money helping guys work through PFS with all kinds of expensive protocols.

I’ve also heard bodybuilders like Ian Valliere discuss using them, having no issues with PFS, and still ended up needing hair transplants in the end from other gear (which a 5AR inhibitor will not help).

 

[Dustin07]

cliffs notes: don't trade a boner for a fabio head of hair.

 

[Hyde]

cliffs notes: don't trade a boner for a fabio head of hair.

Boners, muscles, nice hair: pick 2!

 

[GreenMachineX]

cliffs notes: don't trade a boner for a fabio head of hair.

Embrace the bald.

 

[Segansational]

cliffs notes: don't trade a boner for a fabio head of hair.

Boners, muscles, nice hair: pick 2!

Embrace the bald.

Haha! These all made me laugh. I used to have shoulder length hair during covid lock down, but I've since chopped it off. But that was mostly pre-balding. I did try shaving my head (not Bic, but close buzz) and I did not look great. My head shape doesn't look great buzzed, but maybe if I go full on it'll be better?!

 

[Hyde]

Haha! These all made me laugh. I used to have shoulder length hair during covid lock down, but I've since chopped it off. But that was mostly pre-balding. I did try shaving my head (not Bic, but close buzz) and I did not look great. My head shape doesn't look great buzzed, but maybe if I go full on it'll be better?!

Are you heavily receding hairline, or traditional balding from the crown?

 

[Segansational]

Are you heavily receding hairline, or traditional balding from the crown?

Crown, so I can only notice if someone takes a photo of me from the back. I have a little bit occurring right at the peak of my forehead, but not super noticeable.

 

[Segansational]

Health Updates

Well, after a big weight spike Monday morning following the superbowl binge, yesterday I came back down to only +0.4# up from my lowest weight on Friday. Will take a mid-week weigh in later today.

Got my sleep study results back and diagnosis is mild sleep apnea based on my pRDI of 9.5 and O2 nadir of 91%. Don't really know what it means, but I am planning on speaking to one of their specialists to interpret results. The test was super easy though, so was pleased with how efficient all of that was. So maybe I'll be part of team CPAP in the near future?

Been stacking a couple of good nights of sleep in a row. Been waking up prior to my 5:15 alarm by maybe 5-10 mins lately. Need to still get to sleep a little earlier, but overall glad to see good sleep scores and mirroring the other night of more time spent in deep & REM sleep.

Left elbow was bugging me today on my lifts. Vertigo has mostly subsided, but still being cautious about how fast I stand up.

 

[Segansational]

M2, W4, D3

Working sets,
Close Grip BP, 3 sets
Bench Press, 2 sets
Low incline DB Press, 2 sets
DB laterals, 3 sets

1 hr 27 mins, 255 cals.

Pre: 3/4 scoop Doomsday, 3 caps VasoforceXT, 1g choline Citrate.
Intra: Same as yesterday.

Notes
My biggest "issue" with the current meso I'm running is that I find myself unable to complete all of the exercises in one WO due to time more than anything else. But once I get off schedule, the problem compounds. So since I didn't hit everything yesterday, I'm more behind on today's WO, and so forth. I catch up a bit towards the last day of the week since it's a lighter/fluff day (pushups, etc. Less changing equipment/weights).

As example, today if I had finished my full WO it would've been 3 more exercises still.

I do think the higher volume on both reps & sets is the right approach for me currently, but I might choose one that has maybe one less exercise per WO next meso. Right now it alternates between 5 or 6 total exercises per WO and 12-19 working sets total, with me adding in 3 prehab exercises plus at least an additional 7-8+ minimum warm up sets.

Shape is coming along nicely though, my long lost V taper is starting to come back which makes me happy to see.

 

[Dustin07]

My biggest "issue" with the current meso I'm running is that I find myself unable to complete all of the exercises in one WO due to time more than anything else.

I know life gets in the way and everyone has different work schedules, different lunch breaks, lengths of lunches, and if you're like me sometimes lunch is spent with clients etc but if you can find any option at all to split up your sessions some that might help? Such as getting your cardio in at lunch rather than in the morning lifting session or getting your heavies in in the morning session and knocking out accessories in the evening real quick? I know your kids are at that age where life is pulling in every direction, but 20 minutes at night could possibly get you those db laterals, and if you supersetted things you could probably get like db laterals, db forwards, and standing OHP with the db's knocked out in 20 minutes in the evening. hit a 30 minute walk on your lunch break, keep your morning session, and bobs your uncle.

Crown, so I can only notice if someone takes a photo of me from the back. I have a little bit occurring right at the peak of my forehead, but not super noticeable.

its funny how balding has historically been recognized as a masculine sign in our society but we get so self concious about it. I think its always good to do your best to be well groomed and presentable but aint nothing wrong with a bald head. I never think twice when I see a bald man, yet if my own hair falls out its like the sky is falling lol.

my buddy tried the kirkland foam minoxidil and didn't feel like he had results with it so he gave me a large stash. I use it every morning (crown, and a little thinning up front) and I think I'm seeing NOTICEABLE results from it. the crown is definitely getting thicker! I have used a few different minox products and this one is the best one for me because it doubles basically as like a "mousse" so I do my normal bathroom routine, supplements, brush teeth, contacts, etc and then add this last while hair is still a little wet because it doubles as a styling gel, hairspray, or what have you. because it does that, it makes it easy for me to just simply use it every morning without forgetting.

I have used minoxidil that I don't think did anything as well. but this one seems to make a positive difference. fwiw

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

M2, W4, D3

Working sets,
Close Grip BP, 3 sets
Bench Press, 2 sets
Low incline DB Press, 2 sets
DB laterals, 3 sets

1 hr 27 mins, 255 cals.

Pre: 3/4 scoop Doomsday, 3 caps VasoforceXT, 1g choline Citrate.
Intra: Same as yesterday.

Notes
My biggest "issue" with the current meso I'm running is that I find myself unable to complete all of the exercises in one WO due to time more than anything else. But once I get off schedule, the problem compounds. So since I didn't hit everything yesterday, I'm more behind on today's WO, and so forth. I catch up a bit towards the last day of the week since it's a lighter/fluff day (pushups, etc. Less changing equipment/weights).

As example, today if I had finished my full WO it would've been 3 more exercises still.

I do think the higher volume on both reps & sets is the right approach for me currently, but I might choose one that has maybe one less exercise per WO next meso. Right now it alternates between 5 or 6 total exercises per WO and 12-19 working sets total, with me adding in 3 prehab exercises plus at least an additional 7-8+ minimum warm up sets.

Shape is coming along nicely though, my long lost V taper is starting to come back which makes me happy to see.

I ran into a similar issue w the “Black Adam” template, a lot of sets takes a lot of time. I ended up dropping some sets and lowering the weight but INCREASING rep count. I also would lean into the myo-rep match concept. I was doing 15-20 reps on compound movements and 20-30 reps on iso movements. Once I hit 20 or 30 reps respectively I’d increase weight for next week. If I hit 20 on first set, but gassed at 14 on second set, I’d rest 30 sec and get as many as I could, repeating until 20 reps was hit. Yes, weight is lower but reaching failure more. I used the same on the 3, 2, and 1 RIR weeks. If 3 RIR on 1st set was 16 reps then set 2 was 16 reps if I had to MM or get them all in w/out rest.

And, FWIW, Dr Todd Lee has a great vid on his hair protocol w best results and least hormonal/energy impact.

 

[Segansational]

Continuation of M2, Wk4, D3.

Working sets,
Neutral Grip Pull Ups, 3 sets
Deadlifts, 2 sets
Lat Pulldowns, 2 sets.

1 hr 9 mins, 199 cals.

Pre: 1 scoop Burn, 1g choline Citrate, 3 caps VasoforceXT
Intra: Same as prior.

Notes
Nothing to write home about, but another one in the log book. Feeling like I'm about ready for the deload week, so it'll be coming at about the right time.

 

[Segansational]

M2, Wk4, D4

Thought I was going into just another workout, but looked at the app and it was heavy squat day (0 RIR). That changed my plans a bit, so opted for high stims this AM. My thermo pre just wasn't going to cut it today!

Here's the full WO:

Foam rolling / stretching
Bird Dogs x10,5,3
Curl Ups x10,5,3
Cat Camels

BB Squats, Banded pullaparts prior to each set:
Warm ups, 4 sets
Working sets, 2 sets

- Belted with knee sleeves. Honestly not even that heavy, but I just wasn't feeling confident coming into this session. Knees were very creaky, but had no issue hitting top sets.

SLDLs:
Warm ups, 2 sets
Working sets, 1 set

PAUSE

Leg Ext Machine:
Warm ups, 2 sets
Working sets, 2 sets

Foam rolling / stretching cool down.

1 hr 10 mins, 255 cals.

Pre: 3/4 scoop Doomsday, 3 caps VasoforceXT, 1g Choline Citrate
Intra: Same as prior.

End of week weigh-in: 155.4# (-0.2#)
BF: 14.1% (+/- 0%)

Notes
My right side today felt all jacked up from my neck/trap, right shoulder, lats, down to my right side on my lower back. Powered through this morning and took extra precaution with warm ups and assisted lifting, but it will be good to have the next two days off.

Was thinking today about @akboom87 comment about benefits of working out at home. Good thing today as I looked objectively ridiculous in my outfit this morning with my compression leggings, knee wraps, hoodie and belt while doing basically baby weights for most I'd probably get laughed out of a commercial gym! Although my outer quad sweep looked pretty decent today, even during SLDLs. Quads are sort of a strong point for me, but lately I wasn't feeling like it was "popping" enough, so glad to see shape and definition / separation making an appearance again.

 

[Dustin07]

Good thing today as I looked objectively ridiculous in my outfit this morning with my compression leggings, knee wraps, hoodie and belt while doing basically baby weights for most

I'd probably get laughed out of a commercial gym!

na its all good, you gotta do you and you don't get style points for squatting naked. well, maybe a couple.
my buddy requires a fair amount of my patience when we bench because it takes him about 10 minutes to put on his coat of armor for every bench press set (elbow sleeves, wraps, occasional belt, etc) but it does allow him to move more weight!

I tend to leave my sleeves on for my entire leg day session, of course belt when it gets heavy and I like my wrist wraps cinched down real tight on heavy squats too. When I was lifting in a cold warehouse (xfit) I wore those under armor leggings too. I don't know if they qualify as compression but they were a life saver in the winter.

 

[MrKleen73]

Wow, I just spent entirely too long reading to get caught up here. I had about 15 quotes to respond to here but will just touch on a few things.

First congrats on your progress, I believe this is the lowest you have been in years. Your pic a little bit ago was impressive. As far as TRT, and Marek, unless you are getting extra, IE TRT Plus with higher levels of test, and or even other compounds added in you are wasting your money IMHO. Any run of the mill Urologist is capable of handling basic TRT for a copay, and $30 every 3 months for your testosterone covered by insurance. They require blood work every 6 months one of those is free with your physical, and you might pay 100 for the 2nd.

If you want to spice things up then go with someone who will do it for cheaper. I mentioned previously that Greg Doucette is working with a company, and my understanding is that it is far less than marek. Marek is super well known, more because of Derek's popularity with More Plates More Dates and while he knows his crap if you are not having them do extra for you., you are simply paying to say someone popular is doing your trt. It is like taking your car to an elite and expensive mechanic for a 400 dollar oil change to have the same oil that you can get at jiffy lube put in it. It doesn't make sense. You now have some optimization suggestions via supplementation, and a great place to start with handling that part yourself. If you have an AI you can easily ask it about optimal ranges for things you are not sure of then bounce them off of people like @Hyde, maybe myself, or someone else knowledgeable if you want some extra feedback on it.

While the templates are cool and a low cost entry into having a program, I think you will enjoy the RP App much more if you specifically make your own template based on what is optimal for you and your set up. You think due to time, and lower back issues once a week is enough for legs then you set it up that way. If too many warm up sets is the problem due to too many exercises you limit the number of exercises. The mindset that you need to work muscles from so many angles in a session is simply novelty. One of the most effective hypertrophy plans I have ever used was the 10x10 method. No real variety, just concentrated volume causing growth. A chest and triceps day can easily just be multiple sets of Incline bench, and dips. Lower body = Squats, and SLDL, Back & Biceps = Rows and Chins or reverse grip pull downs, shoulders are easily spread across the days since minimal rest needed and very fast recovery.

Bottom line, when time is limited multiple exercises per body part is a very inefficient way to train. You are far better doing more sets of a "Bang for your buck" type of exercise for you. Focus on the meat and potatoes, you don't have time for a 7 course selection.

Okay, I am going to crawl back under my rock now!

 

[gphagan1]

Wow, I just spent entirely too long reading to get caught up here. I had about 15 quotes to respond to here but will just touch on a few things.

First congrats on your progress, I believe this is the lowest you have been in years. Your pic a little bit ago was impressive. As far as TRT, and Marek, unless you are getting extra, IE TRT Plus with higher levels of test, and or even other compounds added in you are wasting your money IMHO. Any run of the mill Urologist is capable of handling basic TRT for a copay, and $30 every 3 months for your testosterone covered by insurance. They require blood work every 6 months one of those is free with your physical, and you might pay 100 for the 2nd.

If you want to spice things up then go with someone who will do it for cheaper. I mentioned previously that Greg Doucette is working with a company, and my understanding is that it is far less than marek. Marek is super well known, more because of Derek's popularity with More Plates More Dates and while he knows his crap if you are not having them do extra for you., you are simply paying to say someone popular is doing your trt. It is like taking your car to an elite and expensive mechanic for a 400 dollar oil change to have the same oil that you can get at jiffy lube put in it. It doesn't make sense. You now have some optimization suggestions via supplementation, and a great place to start with handling that part yourself. If you have an AI you can easily ask it about optimal ranges for things you are not sure of then bounce them off of people like @Hyde, maybe myself, or someone else knowledgeable if you want some extra feedback on it.

While the templates are cool and a low cost entry into having a program, I think you will enjoy the RP App much more if you specifically make your own template based on what is optimal for you and your set up. You think due to time, and lower back issues once a week is enough for legs then you set it up that way. If too many warm up sets is the problem due to too many exercises you limit the number of exercises. The mindset that you need to work muscles from so many angles in a session is simply novelty. One of the most effective hypertrophy plans I have ever used was the 10x10 method. No real variety, just concentrated volume causing growth. A chest and triceps day can easily just be multiple sets of Incline bench, and dips. Lower body = Squats, and SLDL, Back & Biceps = Rows and Chins or reverse grip pull downs, shoulders are easily spread across the days since minimal rest needed and very fast recovery.

Bottom line, when time is limited multiple exercises per body part is a very inefficient way to train. You are far better doing more sets of a "Bang for your buck" type of exercise for you. Focus on the meat and potatoes, you don't have time for a 7 course selection.

Okay, I am going to crawl back under my rock now!

This is very good advice and spot on.

 

[MrKleen73]

By the way, even using a 1 exercise per body part the app is still quite beneficial in keeping you training within a desired range, ensuring dual progressive overload via both volume, and resistance. Keeping you from pushing when the feedback has said you are not ready yet, which at our age, and or state of nagging injuries, is one hell of an added benefit. I am not systematic enough on my own to track all of that so it was very beneficial for me in that aspect. I am contemplating revisiting it again.

 

[Dustin07]

I'd say oly lifting FTW except the injury potential can be higher. but it is crazy how a clean and jerk is a push, pull, and squat + core. only thing that might lack is direct pec engagement.

 

[akboom87]

M2, Wk4, D4

Thought I was going into just another workout, but looked at the app and it was heavy squat day (0 RIR). That changed my plans a bit, so opted for high stims this AM. My thermo pre just wasn't going to cut it today!

Here's the full WO:

Foam rolling / stretching
Bird Dogs x10,5,3
Curl Ups x10,5,3
Cat Camels

BB Squats, Banded pullaparts prior to each set:
Warm ups, 4 sets
Working sets, 2 sets

- Belted with knee sleeves. Honestly not even that heavy, but I just wasn't feeling confident coming into this session. Knees were very creaky, but had no issue hitting top sets.

SLDLs:
Warm ups, 2 sets
Working sets, 1 set

PAUSE

Leg Ext Machine:
Warm ups, 2 sets
Working sets, 2 sets

Foam rolling / stretching cool down.

1 hr 10 mins, 255 cals.

Pre: 3/4 scoop Doomsday, 3 caps VasoforceXT, 1g Choline Citrate
Intra: Same as prior.

End of week weigh-in: 155.4# (-0.2#)
BF: 14.1% (+/- 0%)

Notes
My right side today felt all jacked up from my neck/trap, right shoulder, lats, down to my right side on my lower back. Powered through this morning and took extra precaution with warm ups and assisted lifting, but it will be good to have the next two days off.

Was thinking today about @akboom87 comment about benefits of working out at home. Good thing today as I looked objectively ridiculous in my outfit this morning with my compression leggings, knee wraps, hoodie and belt while doing basically baby weights for most I'd probably get laughed out of a commercial gym! Although my outer quad sweep looked pretty decent today, even during SLDLs. Quads are sort of a strong point for me, but lately I wasn't feeling like it was "popping" enough, so glad to see shape and definition / separation making an appearance again.

Hey and not only dressing how you want you can jam out to whatever you want! Granted I know you probably diner buds in the am as to not wake up the kids.

Like this evening I was rocking a old pair of jeans that I just cut off around the knees, redneck Jim bob just out deadlifting

 

[Segansational]

Well gents, how about a little food porn?

Took the family to TX for a long weekend over this holiday. Got back in late last night, but man did we eat! Lots of tex-mex, real Texas BBQ - the kind where you ask for the meats by the pound - saw a Rodeo, and even made a stop at Buc-ees!

Here's my beef enchilada and the plates of BBQ. We went to Hutchins. Would definitely go back for that one!

 

[Hyde]

I love stopping at Buccees. It’s not so much that I even really usually need anything or want much - I think I enjoy the novelty that I COULD get so many different things.

You can get wiper fluid, a sundress, baked goods, a backscratcher AND a BBQ brisket sandwich all in one stop

 

[gphagan1]

I love stopping at Buccees. It’s not so much that I even really usually need anything or want much - I think I enjoy the novelty that I COULD get so many different things.

You can get wiper fluid, a sundress, baked goods, a backscratcher AND a BBQ brisket sandwich all in one stop

Well gents, how about a little food porn?

Took the family to TX for a long weekend over this holiday. Got back in late last night, but man did we eat! Lots of tex-mex, real Texas BBQ - the kind where you ask for the meats by the pound - saw a Rodeo, and even made a stop at Buc-ees!

Here's my beef enchilada and the plates of BBQ. We went to Hutchins. Would definitely go back for that one!View attachment 258648View attachment 258649View attachment 258650

Sounds like it was a fun trip, and the food looks delicious. We like to take the Grandkids to Buccees periodically and I always load up on Beef Jerky.

 

[akboom87]

Well gents, how about a little food porn?

Took the family to TX for a long weekend over this holiday. Got back in late last night, but man did we eat! Lots of tex-mex, real Texas BBQ - the kind where you ask for the meats by the pound - saw a Rodeo, and even made a stop at Buc-ees!

Here's my beef enchilada and the plates of BBQ. We went to Hutchins. Would definitely go back for that one!View attachment 258648View attachment 258649View attachment 258650

Some great food! Sounds like a fun trip and a needed getaway!

 

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I love stopping at Buccees. It’s not so much that I even really usually need anything or want much - I think I enjoy the novelty that I COULD get so many different things.

You can get wiper fluid, a sundress, baked goods, a backscratcher AND a BBQ brisket sandwich all in one stop

Yeah, it was pretty amazing. We didn't even look at the clothing and stuff as we were snack shopping.

Ended up with a hot coffee, a freshly made brisket taco (saw them roll the tortilla and chop the brisket), some roasted nuts, fruit cup, and some Buccee's nuggets!

Sounds like it was a fun trip, and the food looks delicious. We like to take the Grandkids to Buccees periodically and I always load up on Beef Jerky.

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Yeah, we tried some of the beef jerky bar. I'm not super into jerky myself, but pretty cool they have so many types!

 

[Hyde]

Yeah, it was pretty amazing. We didn't even look at the clothing and stuff as we were snack shopping.

Ended up with a hot coffee, a freshly made brisket taco (saw them roll the tortilla and chop the brisket), some roasted nuts, fruit cup, and some Buccee's nuggets!



Yeah, we tried some of the beef jerky bar. I'm not super into jerky myself, but pretty cool they have so many types!

Those Beaver Nuggets are addictive! Learned about them from MrKleen and never regretted trying them.

They’re not incredibe - but they’re good enough, and they’re EXCLUSIVE

 

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Some great food! Sounds like a fun trip and a needed getaway!

It was really a nice reset!

Worked out the past two days, just finishing up and getting some movement in. Nothing too crazy or fancy.

EZ bar curls
Dips
Push Ups

DB upright rows
Chin Ups
Machine Chest Press

All sets of 3. Moving into the deload phase of this meso tomorrow.

Health Notes
Met with my PCP today. I generally like him, but perhaps unsurprisingly, he wasn't keen on any of the Marek recommendations - the TRT, DHEA or thyroid supps. Did order a Ca heart test to check on my lipid calcification. Still need to talk to the sleep specialists about the apnea results.

 

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M2, Wk5, D1 - Deload Week

Working sets,
Neutral Grip Pull Ups, 1 set
Incline Bench, 1 set
Flat DB Bench Press, 1 set
BB Rows, 1 set
Upright Rows, 2 sets

Pre: 1 scoop FocusXT, 1g Choline Citrate, 25mg ephedrine.
Intra: 1 packet Ryse Hydration, 2 scoops Creatine HCl, 1/2 scoop HBCD.

49 mins, 169 cals.

Notes
Started up the EC stack this AM. Will be doing 25mg pre-WO with FocusXT to start (161mg caffeine). May up the caffeine content to 200mgs in the morning depending on how I feel. Right now, plan is to just do 1 tablet a day unless I feel I need more. But planning on being conservative with this run. Ran out of EAAs, but have some on the way.

Mid-week weight check: 155.6# (+0.2#)
BF: 14.1% (+/- 0%)

After spiking back up over 159# due to the mini-vacation, back down to the average weight from last week. So it was all just some sodium and water/fluid retention from flying. Back on track, so let's go!

 

[Hyde]

On days you don’t train, I’d consider splitting that tab of ephedrine into a morning and early afternoon dose for the wider spread of appetite suppression. That’s one of the big draws of ephedrine use for fat loss, just helping diet adherence.

I have used it a lot this prep preWO on heavy days, and it always takes forever to get any appetite back. There’s a good 4-5 hour block of suppression.

 

[SkRaw85]

It was really a nice reset!

Worked out the past two days, just finishing up and getting some movement in. Nothing too crazy or fancy.

EZ bar curls
Dips
Push Ups

DB upright rows
Chin Ups
Machine Chest Press

All sets of 3. Moving into the deload phase of this meso tomorrow.

Health Notes
Met with my PCP today. I generally like him, but perhaps unsurprisingly, he wasn't keen on any of the Marek recommendations - the TRT, DHEA or thyroid supps. Did order a Ca heart test to check on my lipid calcification. Still need to talk to the sleep specialists about the apnea results.

PCP vs TRT seems to be the eternal battle lol

 

[akboom87]

Looks like a good de load session, not surprised pcp didn’t agree with the recommendations

 

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PCP vs TRT seems to be the eternal battle lol

Yeah, I mean objectively my test level is midrange and his point was you're over 40. But my POV is it might have dropped by half from where I was 20 years ago which is why I'm dealing with fatigue, etc. But I never got it tested in my "prime".

Looks like a good de load session, not surprised pcp didn’t agree with the recommendations

This deload is feeling good. Just the right amount of work and keeping me feeling like momentum is being kept. My left forearm and elbow started bugging me last week, so this is helping give it some time to recover. So no complaints here!

M2, Wk5, D2 - Deload Week

Working sets,
BB Good Mornings, 2 sets
Lying DB Curls, 2 sets
EZ bar curls, 2 sets
Close Grip BP, 2 sets
BB Upright Rows, 2 sets

59:27, 155 cals.

Pre: 1 scoop Axe & Sledge Ignition Switch, 1g choline Citrate, 25 mg ephedrine.
Intra: 1 scoop Axe & Sledge EAAs (Deadlifts & Gummy Bears), 2 scoops Creatine HCl, 1/2 scoop Glycofuse.

Think this will be the new pre/intra routine for the remainder of this deload, if not for the duration of my ephedrine run. Only 150mgs caffeine in Ignition Switch as the daily driver pre-WO. Fruit Punch flavor is great, it's that tropical pineapple punch. Deadlifts & Gummy Bears EAA flavor is a little weird, don't know how to describe it.

Anyways, picked this up for $99 starter pack to try the line. Thought it was a pretty decent deal. I've always liked Seth's content, so figured I should financially support his brand.

 

[akboom87]

Yeah, I mean objectively my test level is midrange and his point was you're over 40. But my POV is it might have dropped by half from where I was 20 years ago which is why I'm dealing with fatigue, etc. But I never got it tested in my "prime".This deload is feeling good. Just the right amount of work and keeping me feeling like momentum is being kept. My left forearm and elbow started bugging me last week, so this is helping give it some time to recover. So no complaints here!

M2, Wk5, D2 - Deload Week

Working sets,
BB Good Mornings, 2 sets
Lying DB Curls, 2 sets
EZ bar curls, 2 sets
Close Grip BP, 2 sets
BB Upright Rows, 2 sets

59:27, 155 cals.

Pre: 1 scoop Axe & Sledge Ignition Switch, 1g choline Citrate, 25 mg ephedrine.
Intra: 1 scoop Axe & Sledge EAAs (Deadlifts & Gummy Bears), 2 scoops Creatine HCl, 1/2 scoop Glycofuse.

Think this will be the new pre/intra routine for the remainder of this deload, if not for the duration of my ephedrine run. Only 150mgs caffeine in Ignition Switch as the daily driver pre-WO. Fruit Punch flavor is great, it's that tropical pineapple punch. Deadlifts & Gummy Bears EAA flavor is a little weird, don't know how to describe it.

Anyways, picked this up for $99 starter pack to try the line. Thought it was a pretty decent deal. I've always liked Seth's content, so figured I should financially support his brand.


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I have the high stim pre can’t think of the name at the moment and really enjoy it.

Also if you watch his site and on clearance I’ll get his “Seth cut tees” they are some of the best shirts

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

I have the high stim pre can’t think of the name at the moment and really enjoy it.

Also if you watch his site and on clearance I’ll get his “Seth cut tees” they are some of the best shirts

Love the “Seth cut tees”

Loved the tutorial video on how to make a “Seth cut tee”

 

[Hyde]

I haven’t tried any of his stuff but I do respect Seth and what he’s about. Seems like a good guy to support!

I mean your doctor isn’t wrong. This is just what 40s is. I think many men who seek TRT convince themselves they’re somehow disadvantaged or atypical - while the truth is, they are normal but really wish to live enhanced.

As an enhanced lifter, I can tell you that I absolutely love cruising at TRT ranges. I switched over at 30 once my son was born & we knew we were not going to have more kids. It was such a breath of fresh air. It’s SO much better feeling than that midrange, 500ish ng/dl total test I could usually get back to after PCT. Being 750-1,000ng/dl typically depending on weekly test dose & pin schedule feels way better to me for libido, energy, mentality, recovery. I may be painting it as more magical than many on TRT would claim, but for myself, I have zero regrets and would love to use ~150mg/wk until death. Just gives me a stable base and better wellness.

BUT I don’t think it’s supposed to be like that; it is hacking the system & possibly making a longevity trade for healthspan. There are things to keep up on, like managing blood thickness, extra vitamin/mineral supplementation, bloodwork needs etc. So it’s sensible for the doc to dissuade people because most people want to drive a Maserati but will just treat it like a Nissan. They won’t put premium fuel in it, frequently change the expensive oil, or fork out for the extra maintenance required. It’s a bigger commitment.

 

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Picked up some staples and also a second bottle of the DHEA/pregnenolone. Can't say I've really "noticed" anything 2 weeks in, but figured I need to give it probably 4-6 weeks at least. But grabbed this new pre which looks right up my alley. Won't use until after this deload ends of course, but looks fun!

Also, I got back and forth on my feelings on my current body comp and progress, but I had a forced rest day yesterday. So here is an unflexed, completely cold progress photo.

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[akboom87]

Picked up some staples and also a second bottle of the DHEA/pregnenolone. Can't say I've really "noticed" anything 2 weeks in, but figured I need to give it probably 4-6 weeks at least. But grabbed this new pre which looks right up my alley. Won't use until after this deload ends of course, but looks fun!

Also, I got back and forth on my feelings on my current body comp and progress, but I had a forced rest day yesterday. So here is an unflexed, completely cold progress photo. View attachment 258730View attachment 258731View attachment 258732
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Looking lean but still muscles still coming through! Looks like great progress. Did you have a set goal in mind on the cut?


Did you finish the tub of Mr white? That one looks interesting

 

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Looking lean but still muscles still coming through! Looks like great progress. Did you have a set goal in mind on the cut?


Did you finish the tub of Mr white? That one looks interesting

Thanks AK. Not a set weight goal per se, but ballpark another 5-6# to lose to get close to 150# which is just where I think I might need to get to in order to see abs. I still have a decent amount of belly flab even at this weight. I do think my chest and arms definitely have more pop than before when I last cut, so I've made progress. If I do make it to that weight it'll be about a 25# drop. So basically planning for another 4-6 weeks likely, for a total of 6 months total with a brief maintenance at the mid-point.

Then it'll be time to grow again!

Re: pre's, nope I still have Mr. White. I'm just a sucker for the juicy pre's. So I buy them when I see them. Have a few like this still in my cabinet.

 

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Love the “Seth cut tees”

Loved the tutorial video on how to make a “Seth cut tee”

Honestly don't think I'm big enough for Seth Cut to look good on me.

I haven’t tried any of his stuff but I do respect Seth and what he’s about. Seems like a good guy to support!

I mean your doctor isn’t wrong. This is just what 40s is. I think many men who seek TRT convince themselves they’re somehow disadvantaged or atypical - while the truth is, they are normal but really wish to live enhanced.

As an enhanced lifter, I can tell you that I absolutely love cruising at TRT ranges. I switched over at 30 once my son was born & we knew we were not going to have more kids. It was such a breath of fresh air. It’s SO much better feeling than that midrange, 500ish ng/dl total test I could usually get back to after PCT. Being 750-1,000ng/dl typically depending on weekly test dose & pin schedule feels way better to me for libido, energy, mentality, recovery. I may be painting it as more magical than many on TRT would claim, but for myself, I have zero regrets and would love to use ~150mg/wk until death. Just gives me a stable base and better wellness.

BUT I don’t think it’s supposed to be like that; it is hacking the system & possibly making a longevity trade for healthspan. There are things to keep up on, like managing blood thickness, extra vitamin/mineral supplementation, bloodwork needs etc. So it’s sensible for the doc to dissuade people because most people want to drive a Maserati but will just treat it like a Nissan. They won’t put premium fuel in it, frequently change the expensive oil, or fork out for the extra maintenance required. It’s a bigger commitment.

Yeah, I can see both sides of it. Perhaps this is "normal" for our age. But that said, we also are living 40 years longer than we probably are meant to based on modern medicine and our kids would've been grown and out of the house already, lol. That's why it's hormone "optimization" vs "normalization".

And what you have bolded above is exactly it for me, particularly energy and recovery. My PCP sort of brushed off the fatigue issue.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah, I can see both sides of it. Perhaps this is "normal" for our age. But that said, we also are living 40 years longer than we probably are meant to based on modern medicine and our kids would've been grown and out of the house already, lol. That's why it's hormone "optimization" vs "normalization".

And what you have bolded above is exactly it for me, particularly energy and recovery. My PCP sort of brushed off the fatigue issue.

I am completely on board with you; I just wanted to share my assumptions on why general practitioners take this stance.

They’re largely in the business of managing active dysfunction, but for many TRT really falls into the realm of upgrading healthspan. Which is what a female hormone regiment is for birth control or to manage things like PCOS, but if you’re a man who wants more energy, confidence or better sex life they judge you as wanting too much. It’s an institutionalized/cultural double standard.

 

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Everything just felt heavy today.

M2, Wk5, D3 - Deload Week

Working sets,
BB Squats, 2 sets
Bench Press, 1 set
Low Incline DB Press, 1 set
DB Laterals, 2 sets

~37 mins, 155 cals.

Pre: 1 scoop Ignition Switch, 1g Choline Citrate, 25mg ephedrine
Intra: 1 scoop A&S Grind, 2 scoops Creatine HCl, 1/2 scoop Glycofuse

Also, the supp facts for Notorious Rage Pre-WO didn't take above, so here it is.

 

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Well, woke up an hour before my alarm this morning and couldn't fall back asleep. Too much on my mind, work & life related. Stress feeling high today and the pre combo wasn't hitting hard enough for me, so was a little bit of a struggle.

M2, Wk5, D3-D4

Working sets,
Neutral Grip Pull Ups, 1 set
Deadlifts, 1 set
Lat Pulldowns, 1 set
Push Ups, 2 sets
Dips, 2 sets
EZ Bar Curls, 2 sets

A little posing to finish.

51:20, 168 cals.

Pre: 1 scoop Ignition Switch, 1g Choline Citrate, 25mg ephedrine.
Intra: Same as prior.

Notes
We're supposed to get hit with a major snowstorm tonight into tomorrow, which is going to just mess up schedules for school, work, etc. Between 1-2 ft potentially, just when the snow had finally mostly melted here. Not looking forward to that tomorrow morning. Will see how that impacts tomorrow's workout schedule. Two more deload sessions still in the plan.