SDNG Ingredients?
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Frank Reynolds
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trade you 3 bottles for your dog
hhaha. Thats my baby right there..lol
sdmf45
Well-known member
:goodpost: Exactly!
whitedevil74
Active member
I am skeptical as far as SDNG's ability to add any significant amount of muscle mass but the preworkout energy that this product provides is better than any preworkout supplement I have ever tried. It really does help in the gym and for me on the court (with that one exception from wednesday, see my log) We can all agree that increased performance in the gym should equate to greater muscle gains down the road. As far as energy is concerned this product is excellent.
Grimmy
New member
Good point, I wouldnt want to ruin someone's trust either. I know that one of the ingredients is DHEA, but the curiosity to know the rest of the goodies are killing me. I cant say one thing bad about any of the ax products that I have tried (wait that's their whole current line)..Oh, I did gain too much muscle, but it was my fault, not theirs.:afro:
FitnFirm
Banned
FitnFirm
Banned
B5150
Legend
I always try to remain neutral and unbaised as possible, especially with board sponsor. But I am quite disheartened and disappointed by this whole product marketing.
To name a few reasons:
Ride the coat tails by using the name of a very potent and popular anabolic that made a tremendous impact on the market. Then claim it is the next generation of that same product when it is not even anything resembeling it in the first place.
Rename actives to disguise what they really are:
Prasterone: DHEA
Aphrodine: Yohimbine
Gokshura: Tribulus
I am not making any statements about the effectiveness of the product. I know better than what most of your consumers will. It has been toted to be marketed to the beginner and obvioulsy it is. The issue I question is the whole secret ingredients that turn out to be not so secret. Then the renaming of them in the literature. Then the claiming the name of Superdrol when it is nothing at all of a superdrol of any generation.
I think I would have had more respect for a less deceptive and a lot more innovative product.
Please know that I do not speak for AM staff or ownership in anyway and only voice my personal view. I also do not intend to attack anyone with my views.
Congratulations on your new product
To name a few reasons:
Ride the coat tails by using the name of a very potent and popular anabolic that made a tremendous impact on the market. Then claim it is the next generation of that same product when it is not even anything resembeling it in the first place.
Rename actives to disguise what they really are:
Prasterone: DHEA
Aphrodine: Yohimbine
Gokshura: Tribulus
I am not making any statements about the effectiveness of the product. I know better than what most of your consumers will. It has been toted to be marketed to the beginner and obvioulsy it is. The issue I question is the whole secret ingredients that turn out to be not so secret. Then the renaming of them in the literature. Then the claiming the name of Superdrol when it is nothing at all of a superdrol of any generation.
I think I would have had more respect for a less deceptive and a lot more innovative product.
Please know that I do not speak for AM staff or ownership in anyway and only voice my personal view. I also do not intend to attack anyone with my views.
Congratulations on your new product
macedaddy
Board Sponsor
FIRST, Thank you for your HONEST assessment. I appreciate your comments....... :thumbsup:I always try to remain neutral and unbaised as possible, especially with board sponsor. But I am quite disheartened and disappointed by this whole product marketing.
To name a few reasons:
Ride the coat tails by using the name of a very potent and popular anabolic that made a tremendous impact on the market. Then claim it is the next generation of that same product when it is not even anything resembeling it in the first place.
Rename actives to disguise what they really are:
Prasterone: DHEA
Aphrodine: Yohimbine
Gokshura: Tribulus
I am not making any statements about the effectiveness of the product. I know better than what most of your consumers will. It has been toted to be marketed to the beginner and obvioulsy it is. The issue I question is the whole secret ingredients that turn out to be not so secret. Then the renaming of them in the literature. Then the claiming the name of Superdrol when it is nothing at all of a superdrol of any generation.
I think I would have had more respect for a less deceptive and a lot more innovative product.
Please know that I do not speak for AM staff or ownership in anyway and only voice my personal view. I also do not intend to attack anyone with my views.
Congratulations on your new product
Like every company, our goal is to broaden our horizons into markets yet untapped. With the launch of our company online back in 2005, we have grown tremendously since. After earning a huge online fan base, we are now looking to broaden into the more mainstream markets such as General Nutrition Center, and other major retail supplement stores. When you think of Anabolic Xtreme, the name Superdrol automatically comes to mind. It is one of the most recognizable product names in sports nutrition history. Our goal was to produce a product that maintained our hard core heritage yet would be legal and able to sell in mainstream outlets. We feel we have done that.
The original Superdrol was infamous for producing rapid and immediate gains in lean muscle mass and strength, and while the new Superdrol is unlikely to produce the sort of massive gains that Superdrol did, it will produce immediate results like its predecessor. The new Superdrol-NG will immediately ignite intense muscle hardness, a significant surge in strength, an Xtreme increase in intensity, drive and mental focus.
While the original Superdrol put Anabolic Xtreme on the map and produced rapid weight gains as well as gains in lean mass and strength, the FDA was not fond of the product and its’ synthetic nature and we pulled it from shelves despite it being at the height of it’s popularity. We decided to turn our attention to products that would conform to what retailers were demanding, a hard core product that would work and would sell for a long time.
Superdrol-NG is the Next Generation because not only does it produce immediate results like its predecessor, it is also addresses many safety and health issues that methylated prohormones did not adequately address.
Virtually every methylated prohormone shared some, many or all of the potential side effects:
- Loss of Libido
- Bloat and the potential for gynecomastia created by excess estrogen
- Hair Loss and ACNE caused by conversion of testosterone into DHT.
While Superdrol-NG will still provide significant increases in lean muscle mass and strength, users need not fear the typical side effects which are often related to methylated orals androgens. We included a very precise dose of the most efficient compound for controlling estrogenic side effects, ATD. Thus common androgenic side effects such as water retention and bloating due to excess estrogen are eliminated. Superdrol-NG was further fortified with a Metabolic HPTA Support Matrix to keep your libido elevated throughout your cycle, minimizing your recovery time during post cycle therapy. And finally, the new Injection Matrix will crank up your intensity and stamina not only in the gym, but also throughout your daily life. No lethargy this time around!
rxp1997
Active member
Personally I am concerned with the addition of ATD due to the effects on libido, unless the low dose combined with the trib extract works differently on libido. I have tried low dose DHEA, SDNG dosing would amount to 510-680mg a day, much higher that I have ever tried.
Hopefully I requested the samples in time to get one and check it out, but I have to echo B5150's sentiment on this, particularly using alternative names to established ingredients, even the extraction process is different. If you really felt the synergy was there and the results spoke for themselves, then I think you could've been a little bit more straight up on naming the ingredients.
Hopefully I requested the samples in time to get one and check it out, but I have to echo B5150's sentiment on this, particularly using alternative names to established ingredients, even the extraction process is different. If you really felt the synergy was there and the results spoke for themselves, then I think you could've been a little bit more straight up on naming the ingredients.
B5150
Legend
When I think of superdrol I think of Designer Supplements. You guys got rights to their superdrol. Their superdrol put AX on the map.
Therefore it is my opinion that you guys again wanted to reap the notariety that came from superdrol by using the name supedrol. But this was not ever AX's hardcore edge it was Designer Supplements'. The only hardcore edge that this product has is the name superdrol on the lable. It is not hardcore anything.
I very respectfully and completely believe the above is the case.
It is not a new superdrol. It is DHEA with a stimulant called yohimbine and ATD (AI?).
Again it is not a hardcore product. Again it is no generation of superdrol other than the name. Again the immediate response is from a stimulant yohimbine.
All in all you have just tossed me a hyped sales pitch.
macedaddy
Board Sponsor
....And a custom Xanthine, and 4-Hydroxyisoleucine. I encourage you look over the logs before you pass judgment. One guy here at AM we selected hated AX. Hated us. We figured he would be a great candidate. SDNG is now one of his favorite products he has ever tried.
We also decided not to use the "Tribulus" naming convention because we are truly using a different isolation process. For 6 months we had been working on an exclusive contract with one of the top suppliers from India on this. This ingredient alone absolutely gives a nice increase in libido
macedaddy
Board Sponsor
No. We are using a very precise dose of ATD for a very precise task. ATD can have a negative effect on libido when used in the upper 50-75mg range. Superdrol-NG however utilizes only a fraction of ATD; 7.5mg to be precise. This is the optimal dose to control any conversion of Prasterone into estrogen, keeping you lean and hard, and keeping your sex drive high. Furthermore, with support from the ingredients in the Metabolic HPTA Support Matrix, along with Prasterone’s natural effects on raising libido, users will experience an increase in sex drive while on cycle.
B5150
Legend
I have absolutely no personal opinion of AX whatsoever. Reading an anonymous users log will not sway me one way or the other regarding the ingredients in the product. If user X told me he got great results from sh1t on a shingle I don't believe I would run out an buy that either. Please.
Why would I use a $50 bottle of a proposed anabolic to boost my libido.
superdrollover
Well-known member
For what its worth its deffinately had a positive effect on my libido and ATD usually does kill my libido.
BigSmith
Well-known member
Listen 50. When it comes to Superdrol you have it wrong. WE put it on the map not the other way around. Its was a small underground word and we made it huge. Now superdrol contain Methasterone (the ingredient). Superdrol was a brand. I could have done the same with ANY good PH.
Just like Windows is a brand, or Hydroxycut is a brand. Now these days Hydroxycut has no Ephedra but it still works and it is still hydroxycut. For us it was absolutely a smart move to leverage the name we built as long as the results would be inline with our marketing. I feel very comfortable with what we have produced.
I always new this would be controversial to our "online crowd". However as a company for us to grow to the next level we have to branch out to mainstream markets. We developed a mainstream product leveraging the name we built, "Superdrol". When a customer walks into GNC and chooses Superdrol-NG over Fizogen Mbol I will feel good that they will get great results using our product.
My goals for Dr.D were this. Feel it after every dose, androgen feel, pumps, and strength gains. With Superdrol-NG that is exactly what you get, and its good. While to you this may not be a hardcore product..............for GNC it is very hardcore.
Superdrol is a "branding franchise".
Just like Windows is a brand, or Hydroxycut is a brand. Now these days Hydroxycut has no Ephedra but it still works and it is still hydroxycut. For us it was absolutely a smart move to leverage the name we built as long as the results would be inline with our marketing. I feel very comfortable with what we have produced.
I always new this would be controversial to our "online crowd". However as a company for us to grow to the next level we have to branch out to mainstream markets. We developed a mainstream product leveraging the name we built, "Superdrol". When a customer walks into GNC and chooses Superdrol-NG over Fizogen Mbol I will feel good that they will get great results using our product.
My goals for Dr.D were this. Feel it after every dose, androgen feel, pumps, and strength gains. With Superdrol-NG that is exactly what you get, and its good. While to you this may not be a hardcore product..............for GNC it is very hardcore.
Superdrol is a "branding franchise".
macedaddy
Board Sponsor
then honestly, why are you here?
You said you were disappointed and felt deceived, I supplied an explanation.
You said you didn't like the ingredients, I gave another explanation.
You then compared it to **** on a shingle (indirect reference, but a reference, nonetheless)!
So, you said your piece, you don't like it, you won't buy it..... even though we have a FREE trial and a 100% money-back guarantee.....
So THANKS for your $.02 :clap2:
DR.D
Well-known member
And who do you think developed Superdrol in the first place B?! If anybody was going to object to the new name, don't you think that would be MY right alone at this point?
I'm very disappointed in your stance with this issue B.
B5150
Legend
Correct. I mis-stated. I believe that DS put Methasterone on the map, and yes, they did drop superdrol oout of the market quickly after. So yes, technically you guys put superdrol over the top in the market.
I see how you have a calim to the name superdrol and understand why you chose to use it in this product. Though I do feel I do feel it inherently overstates this prodcut.
That's where me and your consumer part ways. I would never walk into GNC.
Understood. GNC :thumbsup:
B5150
Legend
Obvioulsy Dr. D is tremendously capable. Not knowing the insider information behind the scenes, I was unaware of the pans for this product or that it was Dr.D's baby. If you have achieved your goals for the product perfromance and the consumer expectation then this prodcut is an AX/Dr.D success.
BigSmith
Well-known member
If you would ever like to try it for yourself please let me know. I would not expect a log or anything. It would just ease my mind that a mod would have a decent picture after giving it a try. Its truly a product people will not appreciate until they try it.
I also am not arguing your points. It is something we knew would be a challenge with our online customer base (the opposite of the GNC customers) to accept.
In the future you will see a mix of mainstream AND cutting edge products coming out. It will be a balance that will hopefully satisfy our hardcore online consumer and then also some sku's
(like SDNG) that will satisfy the main stream outlets legal depts. They are very strict and it is frustrating getting formula after formula denied.
Our next two products a new never seen before creatine and "anabolic" will be for the online crowd that likes it hardcore. 3-AD was also supposed to be.
I also am not arguing your points. It is something we knew would be a challenge with our online customer base (the opposite of the GNC customers) to accept.
In the future you will see a mix of mainstream AND cutting edge products coming out. It will be a balance that will hopefully satisfy our hardcore online consumer and then also some sku's
(like SDNG) that will satisfy the main stream outlets legal depts. They are very strict and it is frustrating getting formula after formula denied.
Our next two products a new never seen before creatine and "anabolic" will be for the online crowd that likes it hardcore. 3-AD was also supposed to be.
JBerto
Active member
Sorry, but i'm very bussy at work these days, and i cant connect very often. Yes i'm intersted.
Zombie
Registered User
let me know when your going to order MassFX and AdvancedPCT to talk to Stryder or NutraplanetCS to charge a bottle of SuperdrolNG to me and place my order aswell. you can PM me anytime
B5150
Legend
I wanted to follow up my statements with a further clarification on a few things.
One of my roles as a member of this community is as a consumer. As a consumer I take very serious the products that I consume. I am also very critical of, lets say, the details surrounding a product, including, hype, marketing, actives and user logs. As a consumer I have a right to question all aspects of the product, including those listed above.
My function on this baord as a MOD entails ensuring that the board rules are being adhered to. I am not an employee of AM nor am I an owner. As a MOD I am not here to endorse company products. My primary role is to enforce the rules which the board owner has imposed.
There are times when the role of the consumer and MOD may appear to be in conflict to some. I can understand how that some may seem to see it that way. But understand that I enforce rules indiscriminately as well as critique products indiscriminately. I am obligated no loyalty to any product as a consumer. I am obligated as a MOD to the rules of the board and the owner.
With that said I want to clear up a point or two.
My issue regarding the naming. I asked the question as to why. macedaddy proceded to explain what he could in response. I understand that as a rep for the company he has a role to perform. In no way was my inquiry intended to discredit or invalidate macedaddy in any way. He made his statement and I refuted it with mine. Nothing more than that was intended or implied.
BigSmith did take the time to provide a more comprehensive explanation of the reasoning and the background of the superdrol name and its application here. Upon his explanation it was made clear to me the reasoning behind the naming.
The issue of ingredients as brought up by me for several reasons. The actives are DHEA, Yohimbine and ATD, to name three. There had been all kinds of intrigue and secrecy surrounding these actives and their proported action. In the end when the product was released they were renamed. The reason for the renaming of very well known ingredients was questionable in my mind. Therefore I challenged it. There was nothing else implied or intended other than that.
At no time was there any claim or statement by me to the effectiveness of the product as designed. The only issue was implications of the SuperDrol labeling and the discrete renaming of very common named actives. Nothing more was intended or implied.
Dr. D is a very capable and competent chemist. There is no doubt in my mind that the product that he developed is what was intended and does what its claims. At no time now, or ever, has Dr. D's credibility or integrity been in question in my mind. I want to make that point very clear. There was nothing intended or implied that should be construed otherwise.
macedaddy provided answers to my questions. At no time was his integrity or competence as a rep in question. I understand that as rep he has only the tools he is given with which to work with. At no time was anything otherwise intended or implied.
BigSmith answered my questions very directly and candidly. I respect him for doing so and as a consumer have gained a confidence in him which I may not have had had he done otherwsie.
I want to be clear that in no way does my role as a MOD need be construed as being an authority or consumer goods here or anywhere. In no way should it be considered relevant in any other matter aside from board rules and enforcement.
I also want to be clear that my being critical of SDNG's marketing, labeling or naming does not change in any way the effectiveness of this product as claimed. In no way does it change the integrity or character of BigSmith, macedaddy or Dr.D. At no time at all were they in question. Furthermore the candid response that BigSmith provided me should serve to elevated those traits to the board and consumer.
To all those who represent AX and have worked on this product please accept an apology in advance if in any way shape or form my challenge for explanations here was taken in offense.
One of my roles as a member of this community is as a consumer. As a consumer I take very serious the products that I consume. I am also very critical of, lets say, the details surrounding a product, including, hype, marketing, actives and user logs. As a consumer I have a right to question all aspects of the product, including those listed above.
My function on this baord as a MOD entails ensuring that the board rules are being adhered to. I am not an employee of AM nor am I an owner. As a MOD I am not here to endorse company products. My primary role is to enforce the rules which the board owner has imposed.
There are times when the role of the consumer and MOD may appear to be in conflict to some. I can understand how that some may seem to see it that way. But understand that I enforce rules indiscriminately as well as critique products indiscriminately. I am obligated no loyalty to any product as a consumer. I am obligated as a MOD to the rules of the board and the owner.
With that said I want to clear up a point or two.
My issue regarding the naming. I asked the question as to why. macedaddy proceded to explain what he could in response. I understand that as a rep for the company he has a role to perform. In no way was my inquiry intended to discredit or invalidate macedaddy in any way. He made his statement and I refuted it with mine. Nothing more than that was intended or implied.
BigSmith did take the time to provide a more comprehensive explanation of the reasoning and the background of the superdrol name and its application here. Upon his explanation it was made clear to me the reasoning behind the naming.
The issue of ingredients as brought up by me for several reasons. The actives are DHEA, Yohimbine and ATD, to name three. There had been all kinds of intrigue and secrecy surrounding these actives and their proported action. In the end when the product was released they were renamed. The reason for the renaming of very well known ingredients was questionable in my mind. Therefore I challenged it. There was nothing else implied or intended other than that.
At no time was there any claim or statement by me to the effectiveness of the product as designed. The only issue was implications of the SuperDrol labeling and the discrete renaming of very common named actives. Nothing more was intended or implied.
Dr. D is a very capable and competent chemist. There is no doubt in my mind that the product that he developed is what was intended and does what its claims. At no time now, or ever, has Dr. D's credibility or integrity been in question in my mind. I want to make that point very clear. There was nothing intended or implied that should be construed otherwise.
macedaddy provided answers to my questions. At no time was his integrity or competence as a rep in question. I understand that as rep he has only the tools he is given with which to work with. At no time was anything otherwise intended or implied.
BigSmith answered my questions very directly and candidly. I respect him for doing so and as a consumer have gained a confidence in him which I may not have had had he done otherwsie.
I want to be clear that in no way does my role as a MOD need be construed as being an authority or consumer goods here or anywhere. In no way should it be considered relevant in any other matter aside from board rules and enforcement.
I also want to be clear that my being critical of SDNG's marketing, labeling or naming does not change in any way the effectiveness of this product as claimed. In no way does it change the integrity or character of BigSmith, macedaddy or Dr.D. At no time at all were they in question. Furthermore the candid response that BigSmith provided me should serve to elevated those traits to the board and consumer.
To all those who represent AX and have worked on this product please accept an apology in advance if in any way shape or form my challenge for explanations here was taken in offense.
ryano
Registered User
I dont think there is any need to apologize. I havent been on the board in awhile and saw the ad for the first time on the home page....first thing that popped in my head was oh jeez here we go again. Usually its another supp company cashing in on the originators marketing dollars by changing the name and throwing in some DHEA.
One of the reasons I joined and contribute to this board has been 5150's and Bobo's no BS but fair attitudes towards the members and sponsors. There has to be some integrity and put in place to run a respectable and balanced board.
One of the reasons I joined and contribute to this board has been 5150's and Bobo's no BS but fair attitudes towards the members and sponsors. There has to be some integrity and put in place to run a respectable and balanced board.
DR.D
Well-known member
It's not fair to assume the names of ingredients were designed to hide something. It is indeed "BS" as you put it. It would have been far more appropriate to read between the lines, or just ask why the common names weren't used, rather than attack a supporter/sponsor.
If you'd like to be blatantly presumptuous and cynical, then that is more of a personal problem and says something about your character, not the one you misjudged.
EasyEJL
Never enough
ryano
Registered User
Dont make this personal....Im not trying to pick a fight. I have always appreciated your contributions and have quite a bit of respect for you and
.....just read 5150s post and apply it here...except for the apology part
DR.D
Well-known member
Ok, then can I ask why they were changed?
They were not changed, they were chosen. They are all legitimate names! I think it took people all of 30 minutes maybe to figure every last one of them out, so it is absurd to say an attempt was made to hide anything.
Maybe AX wanted the label to be more intriguing with the exotic names, I don't know. That's not my job. My job was to give legitimate, alternative names and that is exactly what I did. Then the powers that be chose the ones they wanted based on their advisers input I guess - the vendors, the lawyers, the marketers, whoever they deal with or whoever stocks it gets a say I'm guessing. It's a more complicated process that you or even I know. No man here had all the information needed to judge or be presumptuous. The ingredients were all easily confirmed and there was no funny business with the nomenclature like a lot of companies do these days, that's my point. So what then? Where is the guilt?
DR.D
Well-known member
Dont make this personal....Im not trying to pick a fight. I have always appreciated your contributions and have quite a bit of respect for you and
I accept his appology. In fact, he didn't even have to ask for it. He is my brother, and I love and respect him as much as you do. I had forgiven him before he even asked. It makes him no less wrong though. That is not making it personal, that is the factual status of it.
ryano
Registered User
??????????
Ok I have a personal problem and Im cynical...This is fact..
A bit presumptuous dont you think.
Whatever im over it. Please try to read between the lines of my post and I will do the same for the ingredient lists.
Agreed?
:duel:
B5150
Legend
At no time was it ever implied by me that you were responsible for that.
Prasterone = DHEA
ATD = AI
Methyl Xanthine = Caffeine
Aphrodine = Yohimbine
Gokshura = Tribulus
4-Hydroxyisoleucine = Fenugreek
When you look at the names chosen and the actual actives it does make a more knowledgeable and critical thinker wonder why this is the case.
Again it was never implied that you were involved in these decisions.
B5150
Legend
Yet you have no problem judging my moral, ethical and spiritual condition. Seems quite contradictive to all that love and forgiveness you claim to have.
I did nothing wrong. Neither did you. But you got yourself upset and proceeded to provide me the above judgment.
B5150
Legend
As a consumer I should not need to read between the lines.
I did not attack anyone. Regardless of whether AX is a board sponsor they are not above challenge to back up their marketing and their labeling.
BigSmith understood and agreed with my views. He stated his case and I understood it. That does not mean I have to agree with it but it does explain it.
You continue to make statements regarding my character in the matter. My character is not in question. The marketing and naming convention of the actives was and still is.
This was never personal at all. But your obstinance on the matter has elevated this to you making statements regarding my motive, integrity and character. I do judge you by such and make my assessment of yours accordingly...regardless. Righteousness and self-righteousness are miles apart. I suggest that you call a cab because it seems like it is not walking distance.
This discussion is over.
ryano
Registered User
I think some very valuable feedback has been giving to
AX. I really dont understand why everyone is getting soo up in arms about this.
I understand that Dr. D's position on the crafted names of the ingredients and him wanting to put some distance between the issue and his reputation. I understand the how and why. My respect for Dr D and AXs products has not changed. Im just letting you know that it doesnt agree with me.
I know you have a lot of hard work and sacrifice vested in developing a new product. Im just letting you know where I (a consumer) stand.
AX. I really dont understand why everyone is getting soo up in arms about this.
I understand that Dr. D's position on the crafted names of the ingredients and him wanting to put some distance between the issue and his reputation. I understand the how and why. My respect for Dr D and AXs products has not changed. Im just letting you know that it doesnt agree with me.
I know you have a lot of hard work and sacrifice vested in developing a new product. Im just letting you know where I (a consumer) stand.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I'm adding in that in no way does the name of the item change the effectiveness of the item. We all agree that Dr D and AX wouldn't have put it out unless they thought it would be an effective supplement.
Its just that is uncomfortable for someone to sell me a box of tri nitro tolulene as fireworks for the 4th of July The point behind requiring common names is that they are common, so the less educated/critical people see a name for a compound that is something they've heard of before. Theres no reason each of the ingredients couldn't have been referred to as
Prasterone = Dehydroepiandrosterone or
3-hydroxy-10,13-dimethyl-1,2,3,4,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-dodecahydrocyclopenta[a]phenanthren-17-one
ATD = 3,17-keto-etiochol-triene
Methyl Xanthine = 1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6(3H,7H)-dione
Aphrodine = 17α-hydroxy-yohimban-16α-
carboxylic acid methyl ester
or possibly other things. I really got nothing good on the last two
It just feels sensationalism to use the non-common names, and its not something that AX has used before. IMO its this sort of thing that makes people want to change FDA rules to have more restrictive rules on supplements, as you could see 3 bottles on the shelf that have exactly the same ingredients, and yet all 3 labels read differently. It doesn't happen that way in cereals, or soda or most other consumer edibles.
Its just that is uncomfortable for someone to sell me a box of tri nitro tolulene as fireworks for the 4th of July
The point behind requiring common names is that they are common, so the less educated/critical people see a name for a compound that is something they've heard of before. Theres no reason each of the ingredients couldn't have been referred to asPrasterone = Dehydroepiandrosterone or
3-hydroxy-10,13-dimethyl-1,2,3,4,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-dodecahydrocyclopenta[a]phenanthren-17-one
ATD = 3,17-keto-etiochol-triene
Methyl Xanthine = 1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6(3H,7H)-dione
Aphrodine = 17α-hydroxy-yohimban-16α-
carboxylic acid methyl ester
or possibly other things. I really got nothing good on the last two
It just feels sensationalism to use the non-common names, and its not something that AX has used before. IMO its this sort of thing that makes people want to change FDA rules to have more restrictive rules on supplements, as you could see 3 bottles on the shelf that have exactly the same ingredients, and yet all 3 labels read differently. It doesn't happen that way in cereals, or soda or most other consumer edibles.
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