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any one think geranium can take ephedrines place?

I like geraniums effects much better because they feel cleaner from my experience due to the fact geranium crosses the brain blood barrier a good bit, ephedrine hardly at all.

again epheedrine use only needs to be short, sweet, and lower dosed or it can cause side effects
 
John Smeton said:
tapering is always recommended both up and down.
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Yeah I know that. The first time I ECAed I tapered up and down. Last time I ECAed I tapered up but did not taper off. There was a noticeable difference.

I'm just sharing this with those subscribed to the thread so they'll know what will happen if they don't.
 
i believe aspirin helps eliminate prostglandins. in other words it is meant to help the duration of the thermogenic effect by the EC
 
I dont think there is a big difference, either way works

If and when I do use aspirin I use a tiny 81 mgs baby one

also I use 25 e/200 C/and 81 A once a day for maybe twelve weeks once a year(for competition usually) and that works well for me.

too high doses are just too much and have too many side effects
 
If you don't want to use the aspirin you can always go the ECY route.
 
I read a lot about ECY...a lot of people use it without any problems,but I'm scared about it...and I've tryed almost all kind of stims in the past,also mixing them...
 
DaSlixter said:
HAH what a dum afgan. Learn how to spoke before you come posting on an english language forum board. Take up some english classes you little bulgarian kid.Btw I may be smart, but not pshychic, how the hell am I supose to know u were reffering to ephedrine?? Here let me leave you a rule here at AM-



Ah man, looks like ur sh!t out of luck. Besides according to you, you already have the right answer to everbody elses response you ask for.
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Is english YOUR second language?
 
DAdams91982 said:
As you should be. There is plenty of info in this thread about ECY. Just an overall bad combo.
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I was assessing tolerances for an ECY stack last year, and found I'm one of those who just needs to stay away from Yohimbine period. This combined with the EC even at a low dose scared me a bit, and stopped immediately. Instead, I ran an EC-rauwolscine (Alpha Burn) stack. It was amazing, but I believe it caused my sinuses to become completely congested (so bad, not even Afrin would clear it). I gave it two tries, but aborted each and continued ECA. NOTE: I don't know for sure that rauwolscine caused the congestion; while the correlation seems obvious, I cannot verify causation. As always, others might have a different experience
 
save your money use clen...
 
DAdams91982 said:
I believe you are being sarcastic, if so, kudo's. Otherwise I would have to whole heartedly disagree (And my heart is still whole since I would not touch clen:boggled:)
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i was being both serious and sarcastic i have used clen but i know its not for everyone so that part of me is sarcastic. lol im weird. :nana:
 
I am a total nonresponder to ephedrine :S (which is weird because pseudophedrine drives me up walls)
 
tz69 said:
what about animal cut
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What about it?

It's a kitchen sink product; one with Animal's expertise behind it, but it is a stack-in-a-pill. I personally didn't like it several years ago, and fell back to Recreate back when my stim sensitivity was high. It's nice that they've separated the stimulants (red pill) and the diuretics (blue pill) so you can choose if/when to use them, but you miss out on the coleus forskohlii (an absolute favorite on a calorie deficit!) if you skip the red.

My approach:
I prefer to control the dosage of each individual element of my cut stack to ensure effective doses and to tweak when things as needed. If you take the time to learn how each supplement effects you, you'll eventually come up with a list of supplementation that best enhances your diet and training. With these proprietary 'throw it all in and see if it works' stacks, there is no way to determine exactly what is working or not working or if the key ingredient doses are enough to be effective.
 
mmacrazy said:
Are you sure you were using real ephedrine and not an ephedrine extract ? In other words were you using bronkaid or primatene ?
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Yup, was using pharma grade ephedrine at normal dosage.
 
I had some insomnia when I took it after 11 am....
Would using just 25mg in the morning when I get up only be a waste of time?
Or would it still help? My diet is pretty clean also
 
Dazl1212 said:
I had some insomnia when I took it after 11 am....
Would using just 25mg in the morning when I get up only be a waste of time?
Or would it still help? My diet is pretty clean also
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it helps a ton in fact thats all I like to use and I am a big boy. Ive used more before 50 mgs and 400 caffeine and sides seemed much more than just a dose first thing in the morning

even just 8 mgs ephedrine has been shown to speed up fatloss

This stuff can have side effects the higher you go and can develop dependency where you must taper down slowly to come off otherwise side effects are extreme.

Respect this stuff and really do your research on it
 
I read through the first couple pages and then skipped to the end. Will read rest later after work.

I wish I could stick to EC, it works great for me as an appetite suppressant, probably "fat burner" and a stim for just before workouts. However, it will pop false positive for amphetamines and I can't just explain it away with "bronkaid" since I am not suppose to be self medicating anything for my job anyway. At the very best, if they pop me for it and I explain well enough that I don't lose my job on the spot, it will then become forever "random drug test today. Everyone with the last number of 4 in your SSN and Token, report to medical."

Better off using clen if anything since they don't test for it. Trying to figure out if T3 will pop up. Or S4.
 
ECA stack effects people in different ways... always test your tolerances before you go all in.
 
Token said:
I read through the first couple pages and then skipped to the end. Will read rest later after work.

I wish I could stick to EC, it works great for me as an appetite suppressant, probably "fat burner" and a stim for just before workouts. However, it will pop false positive for amphetamines and I can't just explain it away with "bronkaid" since I am not suppose to be self medicating anything for my job anyway. At the very best, if they pop me for it and I explain well enough that I don't lose my job on the spot, it will then become forever "random drug test today. Everyone with the last number of 4 in your SSN and Token, report to medical."

Better off using clen if anything since they don't test for it. Trying to figure out if T3 will pop up. Or S4.
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I definitely think if you tell them before the test, "I had the flu and recently took a product with pseudoephedrine in it" or "Sometimes my chest gets congested when I do sprints and I took Primatene last week," it's not a big deal at all.

I know you're just playing it safe, but I just wanted to say that I did the above and never ran into any issues.
 
Hey all, this is a great thread, I've read through the first 20 pages or so and gotten a lot of good info. One thing I can't find much on is how long to cycle. I've read four weeks on, two weeks off, but I've also heard that there's no point in taking breaks because tolerance is inevitable, What do you guys recommend?

Also, what's good to cycle with ECA when I'm off the stack? I've heard a lot of people are doing 4 weeks ECA and 2 weeks Clen, but from what I've read about Clen so far I want to stay as far away from it as possible. Is there anything else?
 
I will say from experience that clen (liquid kind) produced no systemic effects even close to what ECA produced. It was mild compared to ECA in that aspect, even at high doses. However, the fat burning effects were very noticible.
 
For those looking for geranium (1.3 dimth) AI Sports Nutrition motivate is on sale for 17.99 at Nutraplanet.

Its not EC however I use it occasionally , when I have to get up early
 
John Smeton said:
it helps a ton in fact thats all I like to use and I am a big boy. Ive used more before 50 mgs and 400 caffeine and sides seemed much more than just a dose first thing in the morning

even just 8 mgs ephedrine has been shown to speed up fatloss

This stuff can have side effects the higher you go and can develop dependency where you must taper down slowly to come off otherwise side effects are extreme.

Respect this stuff and really do your research on it
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This is great advice. Ive researched the hell out of ECA stacks (academic jounals mainly to avoid broscience) and 8 mgs has been shown to have clinical effects. Although, I typically run ECA for 10-12 week stints before cycling off for 2-3, and I just jump off. Never experienced extreme sides from ending cycle, though I can see how it can happen given the nature of the compunds and their effects on the body.

Def respect it and do the research!
 
I used to eat the stuff like candy. Felt like I was high as a kite though. Today I don't take anything with caffeine in it at all. No stimulants period. I have even decided to cut out coffee.
 
can anyone tell me what is the IDEAL dosing for the ECA??

I have been doing one 25mg pill of ephederine, 200 mg caffeine & an aspirin 3 x day
 
Wouldn't take Aspirin 3x a day, though.
 
wolfe14 said:
can anyone tell me what is the IDEAL dosing for the ECA??

I have been doing one 25mg pill of ephederine, 200 mg caffeine & an aspirin 3 x day
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For myself it is 25/200/81 mgs once per day maybe for 6-8 weeks when I am already lean and coming into a show.

Ive done higher dosing but for myself the sides outweigh the benefits.
 
Anybody got any info on the effects of ephedrine on stomach lining. Reason being, I take my stack in the morning on a fasted, empty stomach (i do drink a glass of water with it).

Are there any adverse effects from taking it on an empty stomach?
 
It thins your blood so it kicks in quicker, stronger effect, etc.
That's what I have read anyways.

ECA is great. I just don't like the anxiety, but I get used to it.
 
I meant can it destroy the lining of the stomach when taken without food?
 
John Smeton said:
For myself it is 25/200/81 mgs once per day maybe for 6-8 weeks when I am already lean and coming into a show.

Ive done higher dosing but for myself the sides outweigh the benefits.
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well i have been doing it 3 times a day...spaced 4 hrs apart...am i nuts for dosing that often or is that the norm?? And as for sides,,what sides are you referring too? i haven't felt anything that i would call a side effect yet.
 
EasyEJL said:
that is definitely one of the standard side effects of asprin, so yes.
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I wonder, since the aspirin has 48 hour half life, if I could take that sometime during the day with food, and just take the E and C in the morning on an empty stomach..
 
wolfe14 said:
well i have been doing it 3 times a day...spaced 4 hrs apart...am i nuts for dosing that often or is that the norm?? And as for sides,,what sides are you referring too? i haven't felt anything that i would call a side effect yet.
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BUMP!!
 
John Smeton said:
it helps a ton in fact thats all I like to use and I am a big boy. Ive used more before 50 mgs and 400 caffeine and sides seemed much more than just a dose first thing in the morning

even just 8 mgs ephedrine has been shown to speed up fatloss

This stuff can have side effects the higher you go and can develop dependency where you must taper down slowly to come off otherwise side effects are extreme.

Respect this stuff and really do your research on it
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Well said John. I pushed it a little last week cause I've done the same dose for a little while and increased it to 37mg E twice. At the end of the day I got a horrible headache that I couldn't make go away. I finally had my wife check my BP and it was hypertensive! :eek: I skipped my next dose and scaled back down and have been completely fine ever since. Honestly, besides the shakes, I actually felt better on clen.
 
Would tablets containing these ingrediants be ok or would the Theophylinine ruin the effect?
Theophylline Ph Eur 100mg, Ephedrine Hydrochloride Ph Eur 18.31mg, Caffeine Ph Eur 30 mg
 
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