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goonstopher said:
ephedrine actually shuts down beta 3 receptors nearly instantly (days) and has little activity on beta 2. So the receptors themselves are of very little importance.

You may be right with EXTENDED time but I am sure I have read that its activities on fat loss build up with time and don't go down in any realistic amount of time (like say 8-12 weeks). Might not be scientific in the way I am saying it but I am 100% sure I have read it may time, problem is I have been reading boards daily for over a decade so its impossible to find where off the top of my head.

Personally I dislike eca, I prefer NYC or clen but clen is used VERY carefully and limited because of the health risks and NYC is harder to find
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This article confirms your argument on the chronic treatment with ephedrine... it works by converting peripheral t4 to t3 and unlike clen which completely downregulates beta 2 receptors, it does not.

I didnt read the entire thing but it seems benadryl supplementation would be more appropriate when using clen. Looks like you are correct :fing02:

Next time i use eca (like you i am wary of health risks with clen) im gonna run it 20 weeks straight for maximum effects according to this article

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^ Sick dude! 20weeks straigh.. Let me know how that goes. BTW- if someone were to run a 10weeks clen cycle, with a 4 week rest after, would Ephedrine for 3 weeks straigh AFTER the 4weeks resting peroid, be effective? Or is it better to do a 10week rest peroid (note that during the 10weeks clen cycle, ketotifen was taken ED of the 3rd,6th, and 9th week @ 2g)?

And another question- Can Benadryl/Ketotifen be taken ED during a resting peroid to help upregulate the Beta-2 Receptors in a shorter peroid of time? Anyone.
 
DaSlixter said:
^ Sick dude! 20weeks straigh.. Let me know how that goes. BTW- if someone were to run a 10weeks clen cycle, with a 4 week rest after, would Ephedrine for 3 weeks straigh AFTER the 4weeks resting peroid, be effective? Or is it better to do a 10week rest peroid (note that during the 10weeks clen cycle, ketotifen was taken ED of the 3rd,6th, and 9th week @ 2g)?

And another question- Can Benadryl/Ketotifen be taken ED during a resting peroid to help upregulate the Beta-2 Receptors in a shorter peroid of time? Anyone.
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I would highly recommend against that.

Clen is heart toxic period. 10 weeks on it even stacked with an anti-histamine is a bad idea. Without an anti-h it will not work. Anti-h's increase BP and so does clen. You are basically setting up a bad situation.
 
goonstopher said:
I would highly recommend against that.

Clen is heart toxic period. 10 weeks on it even stacked with an anti-histamine is a bad idea. Without an anti-h it will not work. Anti-h's increase BP and so does clen. You are basically setting up a bad situation.
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what about using clen topically? like clenviscerate? dermaclen?
 
goonstopher said:
I would highly recommend against that.

Clen is heart toxic period. 10 weeks on it even stacked with an anti-histamine is a bad idea. Without an anti-h it will not work. Anti-h's increase BP and so does clen. You are basically setting up a bad situation.
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No dude your missing the poin, ive already done this. It ended on May 9th. I started an ECA stack on monday. I wanna know if i should just stop it because its probly not working due to B2 downregulation, or am i good to run the ECA with good effectiveness bcuz of the keto every 3rd week + the 4week resting period(if that was enough)? Btw the 10weeks clen was dosed low @ 80mcg ED. Had good results but i kinda plateaued out at 12%bf. want to be @ a solid 10 but do not want to contiue clen.
 
rochabp said:
what about using clen topically? like clenviscerate? dermaclen?
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Through that method the clenviscerate is targeting localized receptors of the andrenergic system causing lipolysis (breakdown of fat) .This Topical application will allow you to direct the effects, without central nervous system side effects. So yea thats good, or so they say this is what will by pass the NS.

remember that a solely systemic Topical formula will not work. You would end up getting the same results as you would taking it orally. You must use a combo system that uses both Percutaneous Delivery with slight systemic delivery like "eviscerate" this allows the compounds to reach fat cells in high doses, without the dangerous side effects of high levels in the heart and central nervous system.
 
DaSlixter said:
Through that method the clenviscerate is targeting localized receptors of the andrenergic system causing lipolysis (breakdown of fat) .This Topical application will allow you to direct the effects, without central nervous system side effects. So yea thats good, or so they say this is what will by pass the NS.

remember that a solely systemic Topical formula will not work. You would end up getting the same results as you would taking it orally. You must use a combo system that uses both Percutaneous Delivery with slight systemic delivery like "eviscerate" this allows the compounds to reach fat cells in high doses, without the dangerous side effects of high levels in the heart and central nervous system.
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what about dermatherm target?
 
DaSlixter said:
No dude your missing the poin, ive already done this. It ended on May 9th. I started an ECA stack on monday. I wanna know if i should just stop it because its probly not working due to B2 downregulation, or am i good to run the ECA with good effectiveness bcuz of the keto every 3rd week + the 4week resting period(if that was enough)? Btw the 10weeks clen was dosed low @ 80mcg ED. Had good results but i kinda plateaued out at 12%bf. want to be @ a solid 10 but do not want to contiue clen.
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NO DUDE you missed the point... You wrote "what if someone were to..."

That is infinitive which generally suggests the event did not take place and just because it has taken place does not make what I said any less true. The person in this what if should have thought a bit, both about reprimanding someone who was correct in reading their post and in what was posted in reply.
 
goonstopher said:
NO DUDE you missed the point... You wrote "what if someone were to..."

That is infinitive which generally suggests the event did not take place and just because it has taken place does not make what I said any less true. The person in this what if should have thought a bit, both about reprimanding someone who was correct in reading their post and in what was posted in reply.
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sick dude. I didnt know english teachers sign on here. But if you must know i intentionally wrote- Quote what if someone were to.. Unquote, bcuz i did not want ppl jumping off topic saying stuff like Quote again WOW you did that for 10 weeks! No way bro!, etc. Unquote again, and then me having to explain myself which would throw the conversation backwards and even more off topic, causing me to answer questions of others when it was I who intially had the question to asked it the 1st place. thus wasting precious seconds of life! But instead you did that, so purpose defeated.
 
DaSlixter said:
^ Sick dude! 20weeks straigh.. Let me know how that goes. BTW- if someone were to run a 10weeks clen cycle, with a 4 week rest after, would Ephedrine for 3 weeks straigh AFTER the 4weeks resting peroid, be effective? Or is it better to do a 10week rest peroid (note that during the 10weeks clen cycle, ketotifen was taken ED of the 3rd,6th, and 9th week @ 2g)?

And another question- Can Benadryl/Ketotifen be taken ED during a resting peroid to help upregulate the Beta-2 Receptors in a shorter peroid of time? Anyone.
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im not sure how quickly beta 2 receptors upregulate or whether or not it is dependent on the duration and dosage at which clenbuterol was taken.

clen is a selective beta 2 agonist and i think the half life is 36 hours.. so i would think four weeks off would be adequate, especially since ephedrine works primarily on beta 3 receptors... the only problem i see with this is ephedrine only being ran for 3 weeks lol
 
Less is best with ECA,use too much and you are abusing it. Only use this like once every year for for increased fatloss where single digits are important for6-12 weeks. 12 weeks being the very high end or maximum.

I used it last year coming into my contest and the most I used was 50 mgs.I say 100 mgs maximum and most would do well off of 50-75 tops , after working your way up.

I use no stimulates or low doses and last year it took like a month to get up to 25 mgs from 12. Strong stuff for non stimulate users

Take at least one day per week off ECA.
 
John Smeton said:
Less is best with ECA,use too much and you are abusing it. Only use this like once every year for for increased fatloss where single digits are important for6-12 weeks. 12 weeks being the very high end or maximum.

I used it last year coming into my contest and the most I used was 50 mgs.I say 100 mgs maximum and most would do well off of 50-75 tops , after working your way up.

I use no stimulates or low doses and last year it took like a month to get up to 25 mgs from 12. Strong stuff for non stimulate users

Take at least one day per week off ECA.
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any of us who use it for anything but medical treatment purposes are abusing it anyway. the study i posted earlier demonstrates the benefits of long term use.. of course chronic use (much more than 20 weeks) would yeild health problems, most likely cardiac related. i think if bp is monitored throughout use, 20 weeks wouldnt hurt a healthy individual at a moderate dose

FYI, I have never used more than 50mg either and i take in about 200-300mg of caffiene via diet coke every day
 
bezoe said:
any of us who use it for anything but medical treatment purposes are abusing it anyway. the study i posted earlier demonstrates the benefits of long term use.. of course chronic use (much more than 20 weeks) would yeild health problems, most likely cardiac related. i think if bp is monitored throughout use, 20 weeks wouldnt hurt a healthy individual at a moderate dose

FYI, I have never used more than 50mg either and i take in about 200-300mg of caffiene via diet coke every day
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I agree and you probably could get away with it for twenty weeks, and what most people are using it here for is increased metabolism for better fat loss, you need to be at least ten percent body fat or lower when using ECA. This is used as a tool for increased fat burning. If you have not got down to ten percent though, diet and exercise do that first.ECA strong stuff and needs to be respected. 25 mgs works fine

in fact I have a method that makes it works better in my opinion

12 mgs every two hours, it keeps energy levels MUCH more steady than 25 twice a day,. start off slow though 12 mgs and working your way up.

In fact I am under the impression most people need not be using this unless they know precisely what they are doing though diet and exercise, and of course vast knowledge of this stack, and are extremely focused on achieving a certain percentage of body fat.

If I never competed I would have never used this stack because if I am not competing I get get relatively lean like an easy ten percent without using anything but diet and exercise.
 
okay after reading all this i am starting my eca stack tommorow

Doses
E-25 mgsx2-3 times a day....I dont wanna be up at night so I may alter it to two
C 200mgs2-3 times a day
A- 30 mgs 2-3 times a day

Only question is this- I know there is a limit on how much ephedrine one can buy as people will extract the ephedrine to make methamphetamine. So can I buy like 2 cases how often? Also I picked up primatene tablets- and it has Guaifensin at 200 mgs I know this is a muscle relaxent (weak) IS this going to inhibit me keeping my LBM? Or is it totally not an issue here????
 
i dont know what texas' regulations are but where i am, the limit is far more than i need. It is something like 100 tabs every 60 days.
 
yeah thats more than I need too..... cool....what about the Guaifensin will this inhibit me retaining my lbm? I am going to be running this in pct from a epi/11 oxo recomp cycle i am finishing up
 
D E V I L said:
can cause hypertension, nervousness, increased heartrate, sounds ****ty to me
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Ive tried many many fatburners or thermogenics- almost everyone has this side effect
 
bezoe said:
i dont know what texas' regulations are but where i am, the limit is far more than i need. It is something like 100 tabs every 60 days.
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Its up to 120tabs ED for most states. In CA I can get 2 Bronkaid boxes of 60tabs ED.

schwellington said:
okay after reading all this i am starting my eca stack tommorow

Doses
E-25 mgsx2-3 times a day....I dont wanna be up at night so I may alter it to two
C 200mgs2-3 times a day
A- 30 mgs 2-3 times a day

Only question is this- I know there is a limit on how much ephedrine one can buy as people will extract the ephedrine to make methamphetamine. So can I buy like 2 cases how often? Also I picked up primatene tablets- and it has Guaifensin at 200 mgs I know this is a muscle relaxent (weak) IS this going to inhibit me keeping my LBM? Or is it totally not an issue here????
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Its a Expectorant. Helps to loosen phlem in the airways so that you can breath easier. If anything Ephedrine is closer to a muscle relaxent.
 
cool thanks for the information man....preciate it.....yeah this stuff doesnt jack me up like other thermos I have tried- but I have some smooth non jittery energy, focus and I am sweating- quite a bit
 
schwellington said:
yeah thats more than I need too..... cool....what about the Guaifensin will this inhibit me retaining my lbm? I am going to be running this in pct from a epi/11 oxo recomp cycle i am finishing up
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Guaifensin doses need to be super high and if anything will relax muscles.I never really noticed it much.

I am going to answer your question in here schwellington

This is just a guideline not set in stone, it can be though if you want to do it this way

*ALWAYS take one day per week off of your choice with benadryl that night of the night before.

Day 1-4 12/100 mgs
Day5-6 12/100 mgs 2 x's daily 2 hours apart
Day 7off off benadryl
day 8-13 12/100 2x's daily 2 hours apart
day 14 off
day 15-17 12/100 2 x's daily 2 hours apart
day 18-20 12/100 3 x's daily 2 hours apart

this is a great way to work your way up and the every two hours keeps energy levels much more steady. I have never gone above 50 mgs.

I say stay lower than 100 at all times, and guys that weigh less maybe 75

Some like to cycle back off I have quit cold turkey and came out fine. I added some tyrosine which I think made the landing smoother after eca stack.




DaSlixter said:
Its up to 120tabs ED for most states. In CA I can get 2 Bronkaid boxes of 60tabs ED.



Its a Expectorant. Helps to loosen phlem in the airways so that you can breath easier. If anything Ephedrine is closer to a muscle relaxent.
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Ephedrine is closer to a muscle relaxent?
 
I see....well I already bunked that up

I assumed I would just start with 25mg/200mg 2x a day equaling out to 50/400 and if we throw in the asprin its at 60

I may stay at this I may not....Depends how my body reacts

I will take one day off a week with benadryl.....is it just regular bena?
 
schwellington said:
I see....well I already bunked that up

I assumed I would just start with 25mg/200mg 2x a day equaling out to 50/400 and if we throw in the asprin its at 60

I may stay at this I may not....Depends how my body reacts

I will take one day off a week with benadryl.....is it just regular bena?
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yeah you can find generic benadryl .
 
John Smeton said:
Ephedrine is closer to a muscle relaxent?
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Well not quite what I meant. The ephedrine works by expanding your air ways, so technically loosens up your air pipe muscles expanding them and making it easier to breath. Where as guaifenesin works by thinning the mucus in the air passages (how exactly i dont know). So basically what I meant was between the effects that these two have, ephedrine works more with muscles then guaifenesin, not saying that ephedrine is infact a muscle relaxant though. But i have heard that high doses of guaifenesin can relax muscles but some where as high as 5000mg at once for a 100lbs person. So the muscle relax in this case is nothing to even think about. It'd be like drinking a glass of water and fearing you'd drown from it. Besides if the muscles where to relax, I think some creatine and a good stretch pre-w/o would easily counter that effect with good ol' ATP.
 
DaSlixter said:
Well not quite what I meant. The ephedrine works by expanding your air ways, so technically loosens up your air pipe muscles expanding them and making it easier to breath. Where as guaifenesin works by thinning the mucus in the air passages (how exactly i dont know). So basically what I meant was between the effects that these two have, ephedrine works more with muscles then guaifenesin, not saying that ephedrine is infact a muscle relaxant though. But i have heard that high doses of guaifenesin can relax muscles but some where as high as 5000mg at once for a 100lbs person. So the muscle relax in this case is nothing to even think about. It'd be like drinking a glass of water and fearing you'd drown from it. Besides if the muscles where to relax, I think some creatine and a good stretch pre-w/o would easily counter that effect with good ol' ATP.
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Guaifenesin can cause it, the doses need to be high.
 
Im telling you guys this. If you mess around with an ECA stack, you can very possibly screw up your metabolism and once this happens, say goodbye to losing fat until your metabolism has been reset. This takes sometimes a month or more and involves different variables.

Please be careful
 
msucurt said:
Im telling you guys this. If you mess around with an ECA stack, you can very possibly screw up your metabolism and once this happens, say goodbye to losing fat until your metabolism has been reset. This takes sometimes a month or more and involves different variables.

Please be careful
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Hey,

where did you hear or see this from?got a link.

The bodies metabolism will go back down and maybe even below that, it will regain its "normal" self though.
 
Do you have any scientific proof for eca messing up the metabolism
 
msucurt said:
Im telling you guys this. If you mess around with an ECA stack, you can very possibly screw up your metabolism and once this happens, say goodbye to losing fat until your metabolism has been reset. This takes sometimes a month or more and involves different variables.

Please be careful
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It all depends on how fast you recover naturally though, every person is different. I once took t3 for 9 weeks straight and went as high as 125mcg. My natural T3 levels recovered in less then a week after my discountinue date. Its been about 2 months and ive only been lossing weight since then.
 
IRONPOPE said:
No fat burner is more effective than the ECA stack...or if u can stand it the ECY stack...so why waste money on fat burners that dont stack up...

i dont get it? none of them can touch the ECA..
if they could...they would be banned for fat loss just like Ephedra is
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Can you name brands or sites where i can buy this stack. Aside from the aspirin. IN addition can you give me some mg/dose on each one. Stats 5'11" 215lbs 23yr
 
TeXaStRoNg said:
Can you name brands or sites where i can buy this stack. Aside from the aspirin. IN addition can you give me some mg/dose on each one. Stats 5'11" 215lbs 23yr
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primatene is the best ephedra source, available at walgreens, just ask the guy behind the counter. caffeine from coffe or caffine pills.
E 25mg, C 200 mg, A 81mg (baby aspirin). this twice a day
 
rochabp said:
primatene is the best ephedra source, available at walgreens, just ask the guy behind the counter. caffeine from coffe or caffine pills.
E 25mg, C 200 mg, A 81mg (baby aspirin). this twice a day
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economically speaking it would be bronkaid. But if you feel that primatine is better because of that lil HCL it has at the end, then heck man i aint mad ya, watever helps you sleep at night.
 
DaSlixter said:
Its up to 120tabs ED for most states. In CA I can get 2 Bronkaid boxes of 60tabs ED.
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im in nc and its nowhere near that quantity that often... guess people manufacture more meth here lol
 
DaSlixter said:
economically speaking it would be bronkaid. But if you feel that primatine is better because of that lil HCL it has at the end, then heck man i aint mad ya, watever helps you sleep at night.
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what does the at the end HCl do or cause any significant advantage one may be after?
 
John Smeton said:
what does the at the end HCl do or cause any significant advantage one may be after?
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This has been covered earlier in this thread....I think it means it's more or less effective...like primatine is better than bronkaid or vice versa. It's only by a marginal percentage though...not enough to make a difference IMO.
 
John Smeton said:
what does the at the end HCl do or cause any significant advantage one may be after?
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Nuttin much, mainly just a mental thing for some ppl that want perfect cycles. But heres a liitle schooling if ya'll didnt already know.

Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.
Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.
25 mg ephedrine HCl = 20.5 mg ephedrine
25 mg ephedrine sulfate = 19.25 mg ephedrine

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As u can see its just a molecular weight difference. Sulfate tends to carry more weight per millagram (if i can remember exactly). Its also been said that HCL is nearly pure, so a 25mg HCL cap would equal about 24.6mg (just an example) and that sulfates just a little less like 19.6mg. Something like that, but I also dont doubt the above approximate. If your one of those ppl that like exact dosages then yor better off using 4 tabs of bronkaid for a 75mg ephedrine dose where as 3 primatine tabs could equal to that much. But still the same exact ingrediant there, just dosage and absorbtion time difference. SO4 and Cl are both strong electrolytes, meaning they dipserse very well (about 100%) in water. The reason you see two different kinds available is due more to economical constraints for both the companies to get s process up and running as well as maintained.

Essentially, they're both pretty much equal in terms of bioavailability. Primatene is slightly more potent; however, I don't believe the increase in dosage is really going to make THAT BIG of a difference to where you would notice it.
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hello my friends :veryhappy: a question please.....A tablet of 30 mg can weight 20 mg effective weight ?

I have 30 mg tablet, but the real weight is 20 mg...its possible ? :ponder:

ps:sorry for my bed english :S
 
alecs said:
hello my friends :veryhappy: a question please.....A tablet of 30 mg can weight 20 mg effective weight ?

I have 30 mg tablet, but the real weight is 20 mg...its possible ? :ponder:

ps:sorry for my bed english :S
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If you are reffering to Ephedrine, in terms of sulfate & HCL I'd say no thats gotta be wrong. You could say something like its 30mg ephedrine sulfate, but then that still wouldnt equal out to 20mg pure ephedrine, it'll be more like 25-28mg ephedrine.

But my friend you are asking us a total giberish question. That is like saying a guy weighs 200lbs, is he fat? That makes no sense with out knowing his high, muscle mass, frame size, etc. What substance are you reffering too?
 
DaSlixter said:
But my friend you are asking us a total giberish question.
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You are not understand the question. :deal::ntome:...
probably the right reply is this...

"No.
For a 20mg pill, the absolute maximum ephedrine in it will be 20mg. It will actually be less than 20mg as there is the weight of any filler, and the weight of binders to consider too "


Thanks same :D
 
alecs said:
You are not understand the question. :deal::ntome:...
probably the right reply is this...

"No.
For a 20mg pill, the absolute maximum ephedrine in it will be 20mg. It will actually be less than 20mg as there is the weight of any filler, and the weight of binders to consider too "


Thanks same :D
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HAH what a dum afgan. Learn how to spoke before you come posting on an english language forum board. Take up some english classes you little bulgarian kid.Btw I may be smart, but not pshychic, how the hell am I supose to know u were reffering to ephedrine?? Here let me leave you a rule here at AM-

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Ah man, looks like ur sh!t out of luck. Besides according to you, you already have the right answer to everbody elses response you ask for.
 
ec is a good appetite suppresor and good for energy but i think it would be more efficient if you added a non-stim thermogenic!
 
eca does nothing for my appetite, energy its ok. I can tell when it wears off tho cuz i start dragging ass
 
GeekPoop said:
eca does nothing for my appetite, energy its ok. I can tell when it wears off tho cuz i start dragging ass
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You can avoid this by tapering off. If you don't taper/ramp off ECA... for about a week after cessation you'll be extremely lethargic....or at least I was.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
You can avoid this by tapering off. If you don't taper/ramp off ECA... for about a week after cessation you'll be extremely lethargic....or at least I was.
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tapering is always recommended both up and down.

another thing for much better energy levels is taking 10 mgs Eph/100 caff every two hours, 3-4 x's a day once you work your way up to it.
 
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